Battle of wits definitely deserved an honorable mention. The bane of tournament organizers everywhere with people bringing 250 card decks to try and win with it.
@MrZerodaim2 жыл бұрын
On MTGO, people actually play and win with it. Even if the game's having a hard time with 250 cards, not having to shuffle makes the deck much more playable... and it's just packed with good stuff.
@tinkerer33992 жыл бұрын
The card that forced so many players to up their shuffling game. For a smaller handed individual like myself there could be no wasted time trying to shuffle a 250 card deck in 3 minutes and if you messed up there was hell to pay.
@ImpurestStewart2 жыл бұрын
BOW player here hello!! on mtgo anyways. ImpurestStewart
@Kuronecro2 жыл бұрын
hell yeah deserve to be on this list
@Dansil_122 жыл бұрын
Ok many people do it, but, has anyone win with that and if they had was it most of them or most of the time it didnt work?
@glennrugar5542 жыл бұрын
Hellkite tyrant is awesome because it's a dragon that's takes treasure then greedily guards it and if it gets enough treasure it just wins. That's some good lore
@thegamefur73302 жыл бұрын
Its also easy to pump it up with treasure tokens you hoard, so normally even more flavor points in that regard
@RikiazGaming2 жыл бұрын
MTG is actually really, really good at making super flavorful cards using card game mechanics. Way more than any other card game that I know of. Liliana's Contract is another great one on this video. For anyone unfamiliar with MTG story, Liliana made a contract with four demons to gain power and remain youthful forever, which the card represents by the drawing 4 cards and needing to control 4 demons.
@hallaloth31122 жыл бұрын
Also with Treasure spam being so easy to pull off, not all that difficult a win condition to pull off these days.
@eliascsjunior2 жыл бұрын
@@RikiazGaming Yugioh telling stories though whole archetype mechanics and Pokemon through types do it way more than Magic self contained cards. They are literally based in mangas, animes and video games.
@Prince_Eva_Huepow Жыл бұрын
@@RikiazGaming And by becoming powerfully immortal, she can't lose which is why you win if any 4 demons are out to grant her immortality?
@bazingabazingaMB2 жыл бұрын
Pairing Hellkite Tyrant (steals all the opponents artifacts) with Mycosynth Lattice (turns everything on the field into artifacts) can be a devastating combo, as a single successful hit with Hellkite steals your opponent's entire board--plus, with Lattice up, the wincon basically just becomes "control at least 20 things" which is far less taxing, especially with that control ability.
@danielgreenwood7932 жыл бұрын
probably easier to create an infinate artifact token combo, except once you have infinite hellkite tyrant is just win more
@bazingabazingaMB2 жыл бұрын
@@danielgreenwood793 Perhaps, but I personally use this combo in my Daretti, Scrap Savant EDH deck and it wins me more games than it doesn’t.
@connorhamilton57072 жыл бұрын
@@danielgreenwood793 Magda does this perfectly with Clock of Omens and Liquimetal Torque/Liquimetal Plating, as you get infinite treasures and can use them to search the Hellkite Tyrant to the battlefield.
@avidreader85212 жыл бұрын
Even just using the Tyrant to steal mana rocks can be really annoying and set players back a lot. Plus, if you have an artifact-heavy playgroup, the Tyrant can be a terrifying threat. Few things represent a bigger threat than an opponent with a Tyrant against one of my artifact (like Rebbec/Glacian or Osigir) or voltron decks (like Gwyn).
@quint3ssent1a Жыл бұрын
That's why mycosinth lattice is banned almost everywhere. Too many unusual things can happen if everything turns into artefacts.
@JalebJay2 жыл бұрын
The correct way to cast Demonic Consultation: 1. Cast Demonic Consultation 2. Name You Are Already Dead 3. Smile
@God-ch8lq2 жыл бұрын
based
@FluffySpikeM2 жыл бұрын
You obviously need to name the card in Japanese though. Omae wa mou shindeiru!
@Prince_Eva_Huepow2 жыл бұрын
@@FluffySpikeM Nani?
@breawycker2 жыл бұрын
Kamigawa: Neon Dynasty really was the best set
@Hocklie333 Жыл бұрын
@@Prince_Eva_Huepow 😆 nice
@ElChaseReturns2 жыл бұрын
If you just create 20 treasure tokens, Hellkite Tyrant can win the game easily. Especially with newer cards like Old Gnawbone and Ancient Copper Dragon which can easily give you at least 10 Treasures
@LegoCowManZ2 жыл бұрын
Plus Academy Manufactor. Make one treasure token, get 3 total artifacts.
@alexenglish22402 жыл бұрын
Was about to comment this bc I run op treasure, play from exile deck on mtg arena
@jointhetorterra Жыл бұрын
Just run a Magda, Brazen Outlaw deck, get 25 treasures (which isn't difficult) then cheat him out on your opponent's end step and win the game
@ReyosBlackwood Жыл бұрын
Yes, feel like this channel's analysis of cards is off more than most others...
@Chris-vk8lw Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised Mechanized Production wasn't included. It's not difficult to get 8 artifacts of the name, especially with how prevalent treasures have become.
@dorping_Wolf2 жыл бұрын
ah yes, Triskaidekaphobia. such a unique flavored card. for the people who dont know: Triskaidekaphobia is the fear of the number 13. and now look at the art of the card.... --- 13 tools on the wall 13 screws in the barrel 13 glas shards on the ground 13 logs in the fire place 13......... you get the point...
@TaIathar2 жыл бұрын
This comment has more than 13 likes. Come on people, get with the program...
@hanahomemadepizza14242 жыл бұрын
Does it have 13 things that it has 13 of?
@luziferius36872 жыл бұрын
@@hanahomemadepizza1424 Answering the question you asked 13 days ago: I counted nine. Or 13, if you also count the 13s in the rules text and that each choice consists of exactly 13 non-number words in the original English rules text. Additionally to the mentioned ones, there are 13 wooden panels in the ceiling and 13 wooden panels visible in the outer walls. The oven front is made of 13 smaller stones in the arc and 13 larger ones around (not counting the side). On the wall, there are 13 blood droplets.
@Prince_Eva_Huepow2 жыл бұрын
the mana cost is just the number reversed: 3 mana cost and 1 black mana cost.
@alexenglish22402 жыл бұрын
I love that it says choose one but they both say lose the game , so it's just do you want a life or not
@zanzaklaus24962 жыл бұрын
Thassa's Oracle's effect is also an enter the battlefield trigger, meaning that unlike Jace or Laboratory Maniac the opponent can't just hold up a removal spell to instantly blow you out.
@DanTheManCalter2 жыл бұрын
What, like a counterspell? I thought spells that would counter or otherwise stop the summon happen before ETB effects due to stack order?
@noahgresser23372 жыл бұрын
@@DanTheManCalter No, like a "destroy target creature or planeswalker" effect like hero's downfall. Jace and Laboratory Maniac both use replacement effects that still require you to still draw a card, so even if you immediately activated a draw effect (like Jace's +1), the opponent would be able to destroy the Jace/Lab Maniac with downfall in response, such that when the draw effect resolves, Jace/Lab Maniac is not on the field, meaning that their replacement effect will not occur and you will lose for drawing with no cards in deck as normal. In Thassa's Oracle's case, its ETB effect will go on the stack, and on resolution it will check if you have no cards in deck, then win you the game if you do, even if the opponent destroyed the Oracle with a hero's downfall while the ETB effect was on the stack.
@zanzaklaus24962 жыл бұрын
@@DanTheManCalter A counterspell would stop Thassa's Oracle yeah. But only blue gets counterspells, and they only work right before a spell is played. When I say removal, I'm referring to kill spells like fatal push. It doesn't matter if you kill Thassa's Oracle because the ETB trigger will still be on the stack whether or not the creature is still alive.
@Playingwithproxies2 жыл бұрын
The best answer to thassa’s orcle is stifle affects the best of which is trickbind because it itself is nearly uncountnterable.
@zanzaklaus24962 жыл бұрын
@@Playingwithproxies This is true, but stifle effects are usually a sideboard card.
@WusigiDr12 жыл бұрын
Love the addition of legality. I didn’t even know I needed it but having just a list down there while you focus on the topic was a brilliant move!
@MomirViggwilv2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: The incredibly powerful spell Time Walk was an alternative win condition for a brief period of the game's history. For those who don't know, Time Walk is a spell that for two mana says "Take an extra turn after this one." When the first set of magic was being designed Time Walk had a different line of text: "Target player loses next turn." When the card was shown to the original playtesters of Magic, they didn't understand what the card did; they thought it meant that after casting the spell, their opponent only had one turn left before they'd lose! Seeing this confusion, Richard Garfield the creator of Magic changed the wording of the card to a more accurate description of its actual effect.
@gentleman_muk2 жыл бұрын
Took me a second. That was some unfortunate wording
@werefrogofassyria66092 жыл бұрын
That's fun to combine with R&D's Secret Lair, which says you ignore all errata and play cards as written.
@dstreetz912 жыл бұрын
Yeah, a playtester came up to Garfield and said "every time I resolve this spell, my opponent loses next turn!" Garfield looked at the card and then fixed it to take an extra turn after this one in modern wording, not sure how the wording would have been on the playtest card back then. I think when it said target player loses next turn it was a red card that costed just RR too.
@The1AndOnlyGoldenboy2 жыл бұрын
Honorable mentions should definitely go to a few cards. Battle of Wits for all the goofs that'd bring giant 250+ card decks to get meme wins Epic Struggle for Selesnya Tokens, Elves or other spawn decks to have another win condition that isn't "attack with 900 creatures" Helix Pinnacle for giving ramp decks another win condition that isn't "attack with giants" Mortal Combat... because when you play it, it's law that you have to scream "Mortal Kombat!" and then play the theme music Really though... Revel in Riches should have been on this list. Even if nobody cared to win with it, getting Treasure Tokens for killing your opponent's creatures was really good since that's what black decks tend to do anyway.
@SimpleVisionVideos Жыл бұрын
Totally Revel in riches, I love that it makes treasures so easily in multiplayer games and I almost wish it didn't have the win clause because it gets removed even if I just want to use it for value, but 10 treasure pile up so quickly.
@Prince_Eva_Huepow Жыл бұрын
Helix was ranked as on of the worst
@MrZerodaim2 жыл бұрын
Most alternate win conditions are too bad to see play in 60-card constructed, but they thrive in Commander. The format is slow enough to let you piece together your combo, even if it's on the large and expensive side, and winning the game doesn't care for how many opponents there are. Cards like Revel In Riches turn any board wipe into a win condition, because in 4p games the board tends to get full.
@hallaloth31122 жыл бұрын
Revel in Riches has also become ridiculously simple to pull off since it was first revealed, Treasure is everywhere these days. It's not hard to sit on 10
@gamma-bv6ty Жыл бұрын
Revel in Riches gets hard countered by Negæte though
@chazzitz-wh4ly Жыл бұрын
I have an EDH deck that runs both Thassa’s and Approach. I think having one instant win con (or more) in a deck can be fun to pull off.
@calemr2 жыл бұрын
Gates got a pretty nice buff recently. with the Baldur's Gate Commander set adding a bunch of new ones, including one that makes your gates come in untapped.
@wingofshu2 жыл бұрын
I won a box when that set was released, in standard made a fog gate land deck, I Rember having 4 different fog effects and I think elixir and blur draws to recycle and see more fogs
@TsujiCross2 ай бұрын
Don’t forget the Baldur’s Gate card itself being essentially a Nykhtos for Gates
@eddiekalista3222 Жыл бұрын
Simic Ascendency is a great one. It’s cheap to cast, has a good mana dump ability, and doesn’t require any direct manipulation to win with. If you’re playing this, it’s in a deck dripping with +1 counters. This card forces you’re opponent to either spend resources to stop your auto win, which means less used on your beefy hitters.
@afriendofafriend57662 жыл бұрын
First, and for a reason. Great small mtg channel. I'm sad Door to Nothingness wasn't mentioned.
@marklehman52722 жыл бұрын
That's a loss condition....
@godking65042 жыл бұрын
Door is just bad I guess
@dorping_Wolf2 жыл бұрын
@@marklehman5272 but half the list are a loss condition.
@nikolaichejov55262 жыл бұрын
I love Triskaidekaphhobia artwork, the number 13 is everywhere.
@josephwodarczyk9772 жыл бұрын
Thank you for pointing this gem out to me.
@ShawnMcNaughton2 жыл бұрын
Hellkite Tyrant is very useful with artifact generation commander decks. Treasures, Clues and Food can often be made quickly. Academy Manufactor is a 3xmultiplier, Blood Money is a board wipe that gives you a ton of treasure, Doubling Season is a 2x modifier... Ancient Copper Dragon can make you up to 20 at once. Big Score, Unexpected Windfall, and other instants can be done at the end of your opponent's turn. Enchantments like Revel in Riches, Smothering Tithe, Fae Offering and Monologue Tax can net you a lot of treasures off your turn. I'm not saying Hellkite Tyrant is broken or impossible to counter, but it is a little easier to win with than it sounds.
@grandtheftlemon301 Жыл бұрын
Can I just say, I really appreciate that you both A.) Clearly and carefully explain the text of the card shown on screen and B.) Have captions for your additional commentary. Your videos are just hugely accessible and I really appreciate it
@gmradio24362 жыл бұрын
I would like to add Door to Nothingness and AEther Flux Reservoir.
@gmradio24362 жыл бұрын
50 damage to face is not a win con? I joke. By themselves these cards are bad, but Door can consistently be triggered on turn 4 or 5. AEther is silly in deck that replicate spells. Personally I have one in an Eye of the Storm deck as a backup plan when random lighting or Guttersnipe fails to kill.
@Draqson2 жыл бұрын
I think Etrata, the Silencer deserves a mention, I actually won more games with her effect than Vraska's -9 and I played Vraska much more often.
@petervoros2622 жыл бұрын
Felidar Sovereign is my favourite by far. I've used it since pretty much I've been playing MtG, and back in those days mythics were kind of difficult to come by in these parts (so long ago that Felidar Sovereign was mythic), so casual decks were a lot slower and the 40 life win was quite possible. Nowadays, thanks to online tabletops, we have access to all the cards we want, and I have a white cat/lifelink deck built around this one. My number two favourite is Jace, Wielder of Mysteries (and his little brother, Laboratory Maniac), combined with Flow of Ideas and all manner of self-milling. Third place goes to Revel in Riches, combined with Grave Pact and Pitiless Plunderer. I don't do tournaments, so I don't really care if my decks are not "optimized," as long as they're fun and have a high enough trolling factor.
@connorhamilton57072 жыл бұрын
I feel like Nicol Bolas shouldn't be on this list, as his win the game ability often isn't the reason you win the game, or even a consideration when playing him. Some alternatives include: Battle of Wits has been mentioned by others as an alternate win condition that does show up in tournaments every once in a while, especially online ones. Revel in Riches would be another excellent choice for the list, as it is fairly easy to accomplish in commander, with the high amount of board wipes that get played. Mechanized Production is fantastic with artifact tokens (treasures mainly). It just needs to be enchanting any artifact you control, and you can win off of making 8 treasures. Hellkite Tyrant is much better than you described, since treasures have become prominent, and even has a commander that makes getting it easy (even easier than Scion of the Ur-Dragon). With Magda, Brazen Outlaw, Liquimetal Torque or Liquimetal Plating, and Clock of Omens, you get infinite tapped treasures, and can sacrifice five of them to search for Hellkite Tyrant to put it onto the battlefield.
@Kei-ye8if Жыл бұрын
I got really curious with Triskaidekaphobia, so I Googled what it means "Fear of the number thirteen" and then I got even more curious and paid more attention to the card art. The hanging utensils, glass shards, and oven logs are 13 each (that was an awkward sentence to think up). What a fun weird card!
@dubergg1522 Жыл бұрын
there fire place is also made up of 13 base bricks and 13 bricks that line the edge of the fire place
@DedicatedCaffeineUser Жыл бұрын
Hellkite Tyrant is excellent when paired with Academy Manufacturer, Mechanized Production, and Bloodforged Battleaxe. You can keep creating tokens that are copies of Bloodforged Battleaxe, attach those copies to creatures you control to get more copies when they deal Combat damage to a player, and throw in a few cards that create treasure tokens, clue tokens, and food tokens to push you over the finish line. Add in Sculpting Steel and Replicating Ring and it’ll get even more wild.
@Toast-cc7gr2 жыл бұрын
Not a "instant win" card but a card that is hilarious if you can pull it off is divine intervention. It's an 8 mana enchantment that causes a draw, and I believe is the only card that can reliably cause a draw. I used to have a commander deck who's sole purpose was to get that card to go off and it did very consistently.
@luziferius36872 жыл бұрын
There is no other single card that ends the game in a draw, but there are a few good two-card combinations that achieve the same thing. E.g. Stuffy Doll, naming yourself, then enchanting it with Pariah. The next time you or the Doll get damaged, the game ends in an infinite damage redirection loop. Or turning Caged Sun into a Land that can tap for a color you chose for that Caged Sun. It has a triggered mana ability that will trigger on itself ad infinitum. Because it doesn’t use the stack, no player will receive priority to stop it again.
@zvonk24802 жыл бұрын
Back in college I had a friend with a "Goodstuff" GBW control deck that only "won" with Divine Intervention. It was a board wiping control deck that never tried to win. It was frustrating to draw against.
@Bluecho4 Жыл бұрын
Alternate win conditions are the ultimate challenge set by the designers, to the players. It's a dare to find the cleverest way of meeting the card's arcane requirements. Moreover, it asks players to think about deck construction in a wholly different way than the usual "deal enough damage to reduce the opponent's life to 0". (Mill is also included in this alt win con discussion, even though it's a "normal" way to win). Plus, there's something irresistible about an "I Win" button. Even if you need to jump through hoops to pull it off.
@Unkindpigeon.2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad to see you covering Magic. I stopped playing WoW so now I can watch you break down other things I enjoy. 👍
@awesomespurr3606 Жыл бұрын
I showed Maze's End to my step-dad, who has a modified Gates deck. I deeply regret showing him Maze's End.
@erikaz15902 жыл бұрын
I remember one card my workplace lunch MTG group will always remember is Hedron Alignment. For those who don't want to look it up, Hedron Alignment wins you the game if you reveal one in your hand, one on the battlefield, one in the graveyard, and one in exile. We had one player who constantly played a Hedron Alignment deck to keep seeing he could pull it off. He eventually did on his birthday.
@mrnekomaneki012 жыл бұрын
It seems like someone could create an engine for revel in riches these days with how easy treasure creation has gotten
@davidwindsor25792 жыл бұрын
It’s really odd not to put Battle of Wits on here, which has honestly seen more competitive play than most of the cards on this list, even as just a meme deck.
@jonsedlak1103 Жыл бұрын
Gotta point out that Battle of Wits has top8’d a GP, and many of these “best” alt win conditions have never done as much! Love the videos :) The GP was 21 years ago though
@UraniumChef Жыл бұрын
Extremely underrated. Great video!
@Atmapalazzo2 жыл бұрын
There are a couple of reasons why oracle is a better win condition over lab maniac or jace. It's a triggered ability and not a static ability, allowing it to function without remaining on the field. It's also the only one that doesn't require drawing a card on top of having an empty deck, making it so you don't have to use an extra card to draw or wait for your next draw step.
@TheUnmade7 ай бұрын
Hellkite Tyrant is one of the more likely win conditions for my Dwarves & Dragons build. With Magda, Brazen Outlaw as the commander, you’re producing a ton of tokens on your own and you’re drawing artifacts and dragons rapidly. Pair Hellkite Tyrant with something like Ancient Copper Dragon (where you’re rolling a D20 and gaining that many tokens when you hit a player) and Academy Manufacturer (where one token becomes three), and you end up with tons of tokens quickly. Don’t forget that Treasure Tokens, etc are artifacts too!
@TheEmeraldboy1002 жыл бұрын
Nicol Bolas, Dragon-God starts to see play in Pioneer Mono Green because you can cast it with mana of any color using Oath of Nissa or cheat it into play using Storm the Festival. It was less of a win condition and more of a disruption piece.
@steaks142 жыл бұрын
Battle of wits should’ve definitely been on this list! But nice video! Loving this series
@tristanrobinson66502 жыл бұрын
Triskaidekophile is one of my favorite ways to win and it’s pretty easy to do it. Protect it with counter spells and run a few copies of sea gate restoration and you can win pretty easily!
@jj-sc1kq2 жыл бұрын
I'm a little surprised the list doesn't include "Simic Ascendancy" . (Whenever one or more +1/+1 counters are put on a creature you control, put that many growth counters on Simic Ascendancy. At the beginning of your upkeep, if Simic Ascendancy has twenty or more growth counters on it, you win the game.) I have it in my Simic deck. However, I actually don't play it much because the win condition is too easy for that deck to achieve. (When the deck is going good, I'm slinging around +1/+1 counters pretty fast.)
@Rothiii Жыл бұрын
Triskaidekaphobia has a soft spot for me because a coworker I found out that played had a bunch of decks one with this exact combo. He let me try it out and won without the combo but just by saying we both lose a life. He didn't realize by the time it got back to my upkeep I knocked him to 13.
@avidreader85212 жыл бұрын
Approach of the Second Sun is my favorite alternate wincon. I have it in Yennett, Cryptic Sovereign because Yennett's ability often allows me to cast the first Approach for free, as well as Sevinne, the Chronoclasm, which has enough instant/sorcery cost reducers to often make Approach cost significantly less than seven mana.
@TheHighestWumpus2 жыл бұрын
I'm very surprised your writer didn't mention this combo With approach of the second sun you can use narset's reversal to copy the effect and return the card to your hand and then just play it again to win the game on one turn
@khananiel-joshuashimunov45612 жыл бұрын
I love my Triskaidekophile. Wins if you have 13 cards in your hand, and comes with a draw ability. I use it for the draw ability in my draw deck, but I've won some games with the win condition, too.
@matthewmiller2572 жыл бұрын
I think you forgot one of the greatest win conditions on flavor alone. Sure, winning via Thasa's Oracle or Nicol Bolas is fine, but true MTG chads know that the only win condition you'll ever need to be a true master of magic is "The Cheese Stands Alone"
@InOzWeTrust Жыл бұрын
Liliana's Contract being black so of course you suggest...the blue card instead of the black one that makes everything Demons. Brilliant.
@jaxsonbateman Жыл бұрын
My main deck on MTGA is an explorer-legal Omniscience reanimation deck (with Repair and Recharge), using Approach as the wincon (via Mastermind's Acquisition getting my copy out of the sideboard so it doesn't clunk up the mainboard). It's just really solid on MTGA. If it were offline and I could actually demonstrate and use repeatable loops, I'd use something that's useful in more situations, but due to the contraints of their program having a straight up "I win" card is a great finisher for an infinite mana style combo deck.
@jaythepizza76002 жыл бұрын
For future reference, we say something like Scion of the Ur-Dragon costs WUBRG to cast, which just means one of each of the 5 colors
@goddessbraxia2 жыл бұрын
Hellkite Tyrant combo with Mycosynth Lattice. turn all your opponents cards into artifacts, then give them a one attack board wipe.
@chazzitz-wh4ly Жыл бұрын
I have a Thassa’s Oracle and an Approach win cons in my commander decks and it's so fun to win out of nowhere when your table is expecting one or the other. Also have the Moth/counters combo.
@ViroVeteruscy2 жыл бұрын
Made a WUBRG deck in Commander that uses all versions of Bolas and Dragon God has always been the win-condition with how often I set up his arrival. Everything pretty much falls into place once I get all 5 man colors. Fun Planeswalker :3
@RonathonCharlie2 жыл бұрын
Lordie I love Nicol Bolas Dragon God. That card got me into MTG
@nateholt4292 жыл бұрын
Granted your a modern channel I'll keep this short. For us edh players wizards has been printing cards that make/create treasure tokens like they are going out of style. This makes hellkite tyrant all the more viable. Super sweet when you hit the dockside player.
@yeasstt Жыл бұрын
Oh my god I had no idea you had an MTG channel! MTG has some wild cards in general
@edschramm67572 жыл бұрын
I played Dragon-God in a Grixis Chandra deck during core 20 standard. He was somewhat deceptive, since he'd draw attention, then the Chandra, Bold Pyromancer that nobody watched would clap you for 20 out of nowhere with Chandra's regulator. I also ran Chandra, Acolyte of Flame to give all red (he has red) walkers free loyalty counters
@parallax-8212 жыл бұрын
I thought I recognized your voice... good videos lol. I'll watch them no matter what channel or topic xD
@izme1000 Жыл бұрын
Cards with the Changeling keyword count as every creature type (including Demon), and there are plenty you can get into play before you have the 5 mana for Liliana's Contract.
@NeufAtora7 күн бұрын
Liliana's Contract is the reason I made a Rakdos deck. I'd barely played any black before, and definitely not B/R. I think I've won with Contract once because of how telegraphed and obvious it is, but I just added in Emergence Zone, the land that lets you pay 1 generic and tap to let you cast your spells as though they had flash. So maybe I'll be sneaking in a win here and there with it.
@TheJadeFist2 жыл бұрын
Hellkite-Tyrant, Mycosynth Lattice, there you go, it's now easy.
@joepercy9103 Жыл бұрын
i’d love to see a video about some of the best first turn kill strategies in legacy/vintage! or some of the 2nd turn kills in modern. great vids!
@PlayJAKPlays2 жыл бұрын
Maze end mixes well with Turbo fog oriented play. Add some draw speed to turbo fog, and cards that allow extra lands to be played on same turn, get multiple of each dual color gates in deck. Fog-Effect style cards are cheap, tapped land isn't going to bother you much unless you are in a hurry. Key... Don't hurry, Use fog cards. "Maze-End-Turbo-fog" can be pulled off with ZERO Creatures if you throw in a splash of control. You'll have five colors, Use them to your advantage. Use green for Fogs and land search, Use white for fogs and life, Use blue for denial and draw speed, use black to remove threats, and seek specific cards, Use red to burn away smaller threats (with perhaps some "X"-Burn to Face cards for opponent if you cant seem to find Maze, before long). Use cheap to cast card options only, nothing above say 3-Cost (keeping most cards at 1-2), the only cards that should be more expensive would be some good land search/play from green, and the X-Burn coming from red.
@underfiremaf83072 жыл бұрын
Hellkite Tyrant could potentially combo well with ancient copper dragon, which can potentially make 20 artifacts by itself in one turn.
@Shoyro2 жыл бұрын
Thassa's Oracle is quite infuriating in Commander. It doesn't matter it you got 99 cards. See it played, it's pretty much an instant win right there. The deck would be made in a similar approach as other formats. It's salt inducing enough that there's those who want it banned in Commander.
@TaIathar2 жыл бұрын
It should be banned for the same reason as Coalition Victory: "If your opponent doesn't know you have it and doesn't have a turn to respond to you playing it, then it ends the game too fast and needs to be banned."
@vDeadbolt2 жыл бұрын
Bans in commander are a joke. The rules committee only bans cards because THEY had a bad experience with it. If it's a problem, just rule 0 it.
@TaIathar2 жыл бұрын
@@vDeadbolt Kinda hard to rule 0 some stuff because you don't exactly want to give away the fact that you're ramping to play an "I win" button as opposed to ramping to play a big creature.
@vDeadbolt2 жыл бұрын
@@TaIathar commander is a social format, not a competitive one. Outside of CEDH, you can opt out of playing against instant win cards.
@Spockston2 жыл бұрын
I play a chaos 5 color commander deck online, and my favourite is casting omniscience, approach, wheel of fortune, and approach. I have enough tutor cards to make approach a decent win-con, and is thus far the only consistant win con
@leSang272 жыл бұрын
Maze's End in Commander benefited greately from Baldur's Gate set, since we got Gond Gate there. It's a Gate that can give you mana of any color that a Gate you control could give, ETBs untapped and, most importantly, makes all other Gates also ETB untapped. Since it's fetchable with all the cards that could fetch you any Gate, it basically becomes the first one you'd usually get, and then Gates would stop entering tapped. It's also funny that Laboratory Maniac, the proto-Oracle, wasn't even mentioned in either of the videos. So it's neither good OR bad alternate win condition by today's standards.
@comparatorclock2 жыл бұрын
Tip on #8: If you run Maze's End, also run Reshape the Earth. That way, if you play one of the 11 lands needed for the wincon before you cast Reshape the Earth, then casting Reshape the Earth effectively means you win! Also, Gond Gate is very deece, as it makes guildgates etb untapped like stripe duals lol
@joshualuther1772 жыл бұрын
There was a pact combo in modern at the birth of summer bloom which had an enchartment that forced your opponent to cast a copy of each of you spells so u just played a pact which wasn't in their colours and auto won. Surprised pacts weren't on here in general but especially considering this combo
@Hazaak.2 жыл бұрын
Finally talkin bout cedh, nice
@venatr28659 ай бұрын
My buddy used to have a combo Deck that was solely focused on Mycosynth Lattice -> Hellkite Tyrant and it was brutal
@flint97592 жыл бұрын
As a person who played a control spirits deck in standard until the very recent rotation (still might depending on how it shapes up), Faithbound Judge does very well against other control decks if you're playing with it in mind. It forces your opponent to keep mana open and to save a counterspell if they aren't winning soon and they haven't yet drawn enchantment removal. That being said, the power level of where I play standard is somewhat low, with no one playing the top top tier decks, and against those who are playing higher tier decks, its main threat is actually as an attacker after stalling for time, especially after disturbing Twinblade Geist onto it, giving it double strike. I am also a person who doesn't buy cards, which is why the more convenient and powerful options aren't available to me.
@sagacious032 жыл бұрын
Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
@neoalphon2 жыл бұрын
Man i am huge fan off yugioh, but recently I tried edh and love it, so I'm both fan. Lucky enough,you start magic channel and I am your subscribe since 2 years in yugioh videos, keep going the good work Obs, I wanna se yugioh battle royal format soon
@Druidoftheyew2 жыл бұрын
I ran a turbo fog mazes end deck when it was in standard it actually worked really well and won me game day with it
@prevara5162 Жыл бұрын
I love how you pad the length of every video by 5 minutes just reading cards
@MiriOhki2 жыл бұрын
They weren't the easiest win condition cards but I always thought The Cheese Stands Alone and it's legal counterpart, Barren Glory, were amusing.
@Benjanuva2 жыл бұрын
In War of the Spark standard I played a 4 color Bolas superfriends deck that could easily win off his Ult. I didn't see a lot of other people playing it, but it was the only deck I ever made it to Mythic in Arena with.
@itsLynV Жыл бұрын
I played the same deck! But only 3 color. When Eldraine came out it got even better with Fires of Invention! It was so fun
@sadisteck2 жыл бұрын
Phage the Untouchable is a great one. I remember the good ol' Summoner's Egg combo.
@chaedi84572 жыл бұрын
Special mention for the Amulet of Quoz from back in Ice Age. A largely forgotten card that was from back when Magic still incorporated the ante mechanic, but it does hold the distinction of begin the first alternative win condition card in the history of Magic.
@StaveEntertainment2 жыл бұрын
I love winning with approach of the second sun in my green white draw and sac deck
@SimonSater6 күн бұрын
It's fun how many mtg youtuber are like "I am excluding Commander" while commander is the most played Magic format, and almost singlehandedly keeping mtg alive...
@stevencowan372 жыл бұрын
Hellkite tyrant + nuisance engine + deck full of cheap but useful artifacts. Also combos with mycosynth lattice.
@fatedate2 жыл бұрын
I had a deck in Arena with Nine lives and the key was to switch it to the enemy, either had an combo to destroy it then or had a lot of damage sources to make the counters on it
@watagcomic2 жыл бұрын
There should be blightsteel colussus at least in number 10, still good video, what a pleasure it is to see you talking about MTG
@josephwodarczyk9772 жыл бұрын
That's an otk more than alternative win though.
@aminqasim91502 жыл бұрын
this is my fav mtg list so far great job 😍
@benjamincrowley99195 ай бұрын
mechanized production and simic ascendancy can be surprisingly easy to set off in commander.
@orgixvi32 жыл бұрын
I play a deck in historic ranked on Arena that has no creatures and is built specifically to stall and board wipe until I can use Approach of the Second Sun to win the game. It's actually fairly consistent, unless my opponent is running a lot of artifact and enchantment removal or counterspells.
@luckilyduckily2 жыл бұрын
take a shot every time thassas oracle is on this channel
@secretfemboy2 жыл бұрын
Mazes end is my favorite card ever
@flood2562 жыл бұрын
hellkite tyrant has an alternate, alternate win condition. play Mycosynth Lattice, hit opponent with tyrant, steal their entire field (including land), opponent scoops as if done right you now have a +6 mana advantage, a 6/5 flying beat stick and anything they play will just push you towards triggering win condition if you don't kill them first
@Immortal_dragon8 ай бұрын
I feel as if Angel of Destiny belongs on this list, being above Felidar Sovereign because of how in formats other than comander, it is way easier to reach its win condition of 15 more life than your starting total, only being 35 rather than 40. It also eventually gives all your creatures life link. It also has flying and double strike, which already on its one is really powerful, but pared with the +4 life you get out of it, it becomes even stronger. The only major downside I can see is it also causes your opponent to gain life, making it impossible to win normally, but this can be canceled by cards such as knight of dusks shadow making it so opponents can't gain life.
@zvonk24802 жыл бұрын
I used to take people out with Door to Nothingness in my Golem Affinity Tribal. Even used voltaic key to untap it so it could win right away.
@danikrimm992 жыл бұрын
Nicol Bolas was in a Standart format with fires of invention making it insanely easy to be cast and the elderspell, that was in some situations able to give it enough loyalty by targeting your own planeswakers. The deck was not incredibly good, bit really fun to play
@TheJustinist2 жыл бұрын
such a very Bolas thing to do too
@Mercman10102 жыл бұрын
wow you didnt mention a single card I knew of. I was thinking of an old card that says you win if you have exactly 1 life. And a green enchanment that after pumping 100 mana into you win. both names elude me. always thought that green one was cool since green can really pump out the mana Edit some other people already mentioned helix pinnacle as the green enchantment
@Grimlock19792 жыл бұрын
I have won several games with Angel of Destiny.
@pangalacticgargleblaster26102 жыл бұрын
faithbound judge might make my Azors elocuters deck work!!
@GilMeansJoy2 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised that Angel of Destiny isn't in here. In a lifelink deck, she's fairly easy to win with, and because she's not legendary, you can put more than one of her out (in case you opponent takes one out). Flying and double-strike make her more threatening.
@kamran1332 жыл бұрын
I was looking through the comments to see whether someone mentioned Angel of Destiny or not. My favorite card. Now the meta changed, I don't have a proper deck and miss Angel of Destiny
@rex92852 жыл бұрын
I have used and wow with revel in riches a bunch and every time it was so fun
@TheTexasDice2 жыл бұрын
Maze's End was a great deck in Block Constructed (RIP) and Standard (also RIP), because you could run a blue-white control deck with worse mana that would automatically win against other blue white control decks (there was no relevant land destruction in RTR).
@zeekeno8232 жыл бұрын
I think it was called Hedron alignment, which was hilarious, nearly impossible to set up, but if you did it'd be like from an anime.
@marcoottina6542 жыл бұрын
3:05 you forget that there's a Gate that let you to play Gates untapped; still its very situational
@robertbeisert33152 жыл бұрын
I'm thinking of Judgement counters with "move counters" effects. Like, build 'em up, move 'em, disturb, move again, win. Unwieldy, perhaps, but interesting.
@xana39612 жыл бұрын
I wanna quickly give you a correction on #10 on what you said. You said "dragon card" and not "dragon permanent" which are two different things. A permanent is a card that, when played, remains on the battlefield after the action or resolution of the card. A card is literally all things that can be in your deck. Cards can be instants or sorceries, not just permanents. This is important for the "tribal" mechanic where a card can have the "tribal" supertype and a creature type after the card type. An example of this is "All is Dust" which is a Tribal Sorcery - Eldrazi. So that card counts for whatever effect involves "Eldrazi" cards, such as "search your library for an eldrazi card and put it into your hand." Its an Eldrazi card that isn't a creature or even a permanent. Dragon's don't actually have any tribal cards but its still important to remember that little detail so you don't get confused.