Top 10 Games that MURDERED other Games

[@zbrox7174]

It's been 5 years, I'd like to see this list re-visted

[@nshaw1299]

space base killed machi koro since then...

[@revimfadli4666]

@@nshaw1299 unless you consider the "cute standout minimalist artstyle" niche, along with "monopoly-like theming"

[@nshaw1299]

@@revimfadli4666 I meant, for Tom Vasel Space Base killed Machi Koro since this list, but I don't if it would've made a newer top 10 'games that murdered other games'... Though now, with Machi Koro 2, I don't know where he's at. No review on Machi Koro 2 yet, and it looks nore interesting. Not sure if it's different compared to base Machi Koro+expansions.

[@dhowes]

Yes.. Refresh the list!

[@Atlasfilms08]

I'd love to see a redo of this list in 2017.

[@Thorkwin70]

Atlas Filmä.ä Ä Ö

[@unclemay6648]

me too.

[@CzaristMatt]

I think they're probably sponsored now, so I doubt a new version of this list will get released anytime soon.

[@NotJustATad]

Make it so!

[@xshadowscreamx]

Now for 2019

[@Indubitably14]

Top 10 card games...How could you not have done this yet? LOL

[@necrotoaster94]

BTW you guys should totally do a "Top Ten Games that Need House Rules"! :D

[@Indubitably14]

Han didn't shoot "first". Han shot. Greedo died.

[@Rich711]

Dominion can be played by people all ages 10 to 100. There is no way grandma & grandpa are going to sit down and play a game so heavy in nerd fluff like Thunderstone with the 10 year old but Dominion they play all the time.

[@DarthSironos]

True

[@jeandeguise2210]

Since I have no Grandma and no kids, I'll prefer Thunderstone :p

[@lwtrimere]

Stone Age and Settlers of Catan are not even the same sort of game.

[@commandercody1078]

lwCoyote Yeah, I have Catan and liked Stone Age well enough that I've tried to buy it. Catan is a dice-based building game with a strong social aspect that comes out in the trading and robber placement. Stone Age is a pure worker placement game, with player interaction limited to spot denial. For much of the game it's almost a multiplayer solo experience. Both are excellent games but they are too different to "replace" each other.

[@markcalvinhollett]

@@commandercody1078 I think Catan with sea farers is the best version.

[@way9689]

How about a top 10 games that can be made far better with one or two house rules or top 10 games that need house rules to play

[@Trae_Lenox]

Interesting to see how 7 Wonders has risen from the dead to make people sell their copy of Among the Stars.

[@fnord3125]

Stone Age replacing Settlers is silly. I'm not really a fan of either game, but the core gameplay of Stone Age is worker placement... the core of Settlers is trading. There is NO trading in Stone Age... they're entirely different kinds of games.

[@bandgeek58965]

I think he meant that Stone Age replaced Settlers as an entry-level game to teach to new players.

[@fnord3125]

I didn't get that from his comments, but if that's the case, I guess I could understand it.

[@psbauman]

Eric McGuirk No, he said it has the same feel and theme but plays better. Which makes no damn sense.

[@fnord3125]

Paul Bauman Yeah... definitely not the same "theme" as the titular "settlers" have definitely progressed beyond the "stone age." I guess maybe it has the same "feel" to him, but they feel pretty different to me...

[@SamHealey6]

Let me help clarify, gents... First, I...LOATHE...the trading in Catan. At some point in the game, it usually devolves into some kind of forced stalemate until the newbie at the table thinks he can finally jimmy a deal with someone and sneak out a win, and gives the guy in the lead the last resource he needed to finish the game with the win. And good luck "trading" anything if you're in the lead, for pete's sake! So, no trading in Stone Age is a BONUS! Second, in both games you roll dice for resource production. Difference being in Catan, there is no mitigation for bad luck (you get what's rolled and ONLY what's rolled, and if you're in the lead, here comes the robber EVERY TIME it's rolled), whilst in Stone Age there is a rather decent level of mitigation on the rolling (how many workers you send out), and dice rolling isn't the ONLY way resources can be gained...BONUS! Third, both games have a SIMILAR theme in that they are both involved with building up and expanding fledgling societies. I don't give attention to the fact that this happens in seemingly separate ages (or, rather, that one seems to be based in a fictitious land, and the other on a time period in earth's history). So, I hope that this helps it make more...sense...to you now. In the end, Catan is dead to me. The ONLY Catan that I will readily play is Catan Geographies: Germany...but even then, I'd rather play Stone Age to scratch that same itch.

[@slydog75]

Replacing Catan with Stone Age... they aren't the same game... They have similar themes but the mechanics are completely different. odd choice

[@FSCB2013]

+Adam Hostetler Not really. I think they have gone for a similar feel for the player. Simply put, in both games you are collecting resources in order to build things. The method that you collect resources is determined by die rolls. Only the mechanics of the die are very different. In Catan, you may go rounds without collecting any decent amount of resource purely because of die rolls. I have had this even when having settlements on the 5, 6 and 8 tiles. In Stone Age a similar thing can happen (unlucky die rolls) but you control the risk you are willing to take on a roll by allocating more meeples to a position. You might still bust and get 1 or even no paltry resources, but you should get more with more meeples. In this regard, Stone Age is a better game because the dice mechanic is arguably better. You are not purely relying on a random number generator to determine whether you get some resources or nothing at all. I have always thought of the dice mechanic in Catan as being similar to Monopoly. No choice or mitigation. Simply roll and do what the dice tell you ie give out resources. The rest of the game is somewhat similar. Rather than racing to 10 points, you are racing to highest points by finishing off the purchase of hut tiles and/or cards.

[@revimfadli4666]

@@FSCB2013 that's the similarity. The big difference is Catan's trading. And spatial structure building, to an extent. Those contribute to the feel as well, especially the interaction, politics, & dynamic supply-demand associated with the trades. Can Stone Age be better in that regard? Does it even have anything with a similar feel? Did you include it in the "rest of the game"? Catan's settlement placement still has more mitigation/agency than Monopoly's dice-determined property "placement", since you can choose where to put them, which one to upgrade, etc, which is more than zero mitigation, albeit weakly. Trading also mitigates it somewhat(provided the dice don't give you nothing to trade with). But yeah, Stone Age's WP is even stronger mitigation & control

[@Plainbear]

I would suggest "Top 10 Gateway games" or "Top 10 games for 6 and more players"

[@tygokersten6413]

I still love Agricola, My opinion, really hate Caverna. Its a bad game, the cards can be complicated, but its still very simple.

[@yair1010]

I thought that GoT is the quintessential replacer of Diplomacy..

[@sra12100]

I agree. There's no more of a direct descendent to Diplomacy than the wildly popular GOT.

[@mattrondeau2]

THANK YOU! For mentioning it

[@christophersmith8316]

Possibly not for the reason Tom gave - being nasty and long. Apparenly GOT adds a bunch of theme that Diplomacy mostly lacks. But the little I heard about GOT is that it is kind of long too.

[@madeinfrance06]

love got , do house rules , 2v2v2 its so fun too XD , or even original way

[@GarrettPetersen]

9:07 "Diplomacy has that historical flavour, which disappears almost immediately because you're attacking---England can attack Turkey for no reason at all." I realize you were just searching for any old example here, but have you not heard about the Gallipoli campaign? England attacked Turkey for no reason at all in 1915.

[@MindinViolet]

WWI just doesn’t make much sense in general. I guess world leaders like attacking each other every so often.

[@jmadmaxx7295]

Turkey, or the Ottoman Empire, was allies with Germany and Austria-Hungary at the time, Britain was at war with Germany and Austria-Hungary

[@shallzlive]

an updated 2019 version of this woud be awesome!

[@egonpax]

Agreed!

[@YakovPetrovich]

Looks like someone made a little mistake at 47:26: "Agricola replaces Caverna" ;)

[@Twineandribbon]

LOL you made me laugh really hard when you said Arkham horror had been killed by Yahtzee. Not what I expected. :)

[@ChronosZero86]

I kinda chuckle how people are like "the videos are too long!" or "I dont have time!" and most if not all of those people will sit in front of the tv and watch for hours.

[@TheDeathOfLucifer]

I'm watching TV while I watch this and doing dishes

[@arekkrolak6320]

Ok, let's see how Thunderstone replaces Dominion - Thunderstone #694, Dominion #98 - somebody was dreaming perhaps...

[@kiwisoup]

I definitely agree that some games render older games obsolete by improving upon them, but I think there's a general notion that if you take a popular game and add more rules and mechanics to it, that it's somehow better. I'm glad to see their lists didn't always fit this way of thinking as there are many games I enjoy over others because I don't always want such a heavy game.

[@darinherrick2503]

Man that’s funny. I played Libertalia before Citadels. I gave it away immediately because Libertalia is garbage. I hated it. My wife hates it. I got Citadels for free and I’m in love. Libertalia only murdera itself because it sucks.

[@dshoffman03]

Why are you hating on Diplomacy? You have all played it and still talk about a 50yr old game. What other 50yr old games do you even mention. Will you be talking about Bang! in 50 years?

[@jeffstehman6984]

I clicked like at "Replaced by kitchen knife." :-)

[@CopperLontra]

I'm looking forward to the top 10 6 player games. My group is always whineing about how games are either 2-5 or 7+ like Werewolf.

[@TheECP]

The Resistance is 5-10 players ^_^ Also Settlers of Catan has a 6 player expansion.

[@TheGrooves]

"Cosmic Encounter" has expansions to up to 8 players ( if I remember correctly ). "Rex" is for up to 6 players. Same as "Game of Thrones" and "Exodus: Proxima Centauri"

[@Jorge857]

King of Tokyo is 6 players, 7 wonders is 3-7 Players, Shadows Over Camelot is up to 7 players

[@TerranFabricator]

Personally I've never had an issue with longer games, though having only played Arkham Horror once and never playing Eldritch Horror I can't say which I'd prefer though I do plan to give Arkham Horror and proper run through this coming weekend where I'll have to learn the rules and teach my friend. But on the subject of long games I ended up playing a 10 hour long game of Talisman 4th edition a few weeks ago and it was awesome. ^_^

[@Maspital]

Geez, Healey's shirt is so insanely cringy. Basically screams "I don't recognize my child as an individual"

[@ninajiron5488]

"Everyone loves Apples to Apples when you first teach it to them." Ooh, no. I never really cared for it at all. Now Dixit, Dixit I like.

[@kallanda]

Zee was amazingly hilarious in the first couple of minutes. Look at his expressions! :D

[@MunchhausenPL]

I was always agreeing with Zee, but now he jus broke my heart. Escape! is a game and a great one.

[@lucipherify]

For me nothing replaces Citadels! A small fit-in-a-pocket game which could be played by 8!!!

[@omegafighters]

Cards Against Humanity replaced Apples to Apples.

[@marknic]

Z is right. Dixit is much, MUCH better than Say Anything. Did I mention... much?

[@carrickrichards2457]

This theme has legs: It will always trigger energetic debate, there are always lots of new game killers, and we players are Interested: More of this for 2020 please!

[@joostkleppe3522]

The fiddly, artifical, overloaded and unthematic Caverna never ever killed Agricola with its lovely variety (due to that great bunch of cards) for me. Be brave and feed your people! Apart from that miscanception I enjoyed watching this. guys. ;-)

[@stephanberger3476]

Tom, just put the microphone down, like, always! When you wear it you are too loud compared to the others.

[@Theonlynamenoonehas]

Glad to see you guys back together. I have to say, the onscreen chemistry between you is a pleasure to watch. I always feel better after watching Zee, Sam, Tom and their banter!

[@dodec8449]

If you say a game replaced another game, you acknowledge that they look partially very similar .... so how can you hate Dominion with all your guts? You talk about it like it's a very bad game or something. How can you hate it so much when it has the same mechanics as Thunderstone? Don't be so black-and-white, dude.

[@scarletovergods]

47:26 "Agricola replaces Caverna" ..thats a bold statement.

[@johnjack7376]

Thank you Sam Healey for succinctly describing my contempt for Dominion. I've tried on several occasions to play Dominion, even the different expansions and couldn't be more bored with the single mindedness of that game. Some people like it, I didn't.

[@TorIverWilhelmsen]

I recently played Dominion (with random decks from practically all the expansions) and the one advantage it has is that since the game is so single-minded, theme-less and well-known, turns practically fly by - there is not that much you can do (one action, one buy, discard and draw) unless you play cards that let you draw and play more cards. Compared to some other deck-builders it's practically turned into a filler.

[@LumberjackZE]

Tom's drink looks like shampoo

[@robertmoffitt1336]

LOL!

[@mydemon]

This pink drink is my absolute favorite soda. Also, it would be nice to get a redo of this list :)

[@1971JohnnyC]

I played Dixit for the first time a couple weeks ago and said the same thing about the Apples to Apples comparison. Dixit was a lot of fun.

[@rollerkas]

Zee, Tom & Sam. Your chemistry together is really entertaining. I can say from experience regarding Citadels, playing Citadels with 6+ people is eye opening and drags a little unless playing with a really fun & vocal group.

[@pandagram]

47:25 There is a mistake because caverna replaces agricola.

[@Rawyr]

Aw that's cute. Tom doesn't know how to feed his family. For me it was the opposite, Caverna replaced by Agricola. I was like "This is the hardcore expert game I've been waiting for." I'll play whatever with whomever, but if you want to actually challenge high-level strategists you gotta play Agricola over Caverna

[@forteetugames]

Totally agree with Zee on the house rule for Witch of Salem! Great game with bucket loads of foreboding doom and awesome thematics. This one will definitely kick your butt. Just don't follow the rule about not revealing the door tiles.

[@davidblake8053]

Hey Sam, I liked your T-Shirt.

[@robertg.1162]

This one is not among the"all top 10s" on the dicetower website.

[@666kingdrummer]

Relic replaced Talisman. Anyone who has played talisman knows about the problems that game had, When Relic was released it made Talisman instantly obsolete. The only reason you would play Talisman anymore is simply nostalgia

[@jvomkrieg]

I also prefer Relic, it's our go to game when people are tired and just want to roll dice and have fun without too much thinking. Talisman still has the generic fantasy theme, which might have a slightly broader appeal than 40k, but i agree that its an inferior game.

[@666kingdrummer]

J Vomkrieg Not to mention th fact that Relic also has more decision making, takes less time to play, different missions, and more varied characters to choose from

[@jvomkrieg]

666kingdrummer Its still pretty random, if much improved from talisman, but I prefer the journey of the game rather than winning it as such. My friends and I play it very very non-competitively. For us, it's a relax game. I love the figure busts as well, really great to paint up. I also magnetized the bases so I dont have to press the figures on the stands.

[@mikejonesnoreally]

Not true. I didn't really start to get into Talisman again until after I had gotten Relic (and both expansions) and was thereby *reintroduced* to FFGs take on Talisman (I think it's 4th ed. now) which is a very different game than the first Talismans. "instantly obsolete" is about as incorrect and opinionated as you can get! Judging from the leader boards even for the digital edition there's thousands of people still playing Talisman and I've yet to see *anyone* bring Relic to open game night that wasn't me.

[@mikejonesnoreally]

Have you even ever *played* Talisman with all the expansions? Just counting the components shows that not to be true *especially* the number of missions and characters!

[@Hman27]

Let it be known that I'm not a train-gamer, but having recently played Rolling Freight, and other train games in the past, I felt the need to let my opinion be known. The concept of Rolling Freight is great, but the game has SO many "this was obviously a Kickstarter" flaws. Very underdeveloped. The game length is absurd and only remains interesting for about 30 minutes, after that you are more or less going through the motions over and over again. Delivering goods early is incentivized, but working on multiple Contracts is "punished". This pushes players into focusing on building a small network and then delivering goods as often as possible instead of buying Contracts, which move the game forward. Practically every contract on the board has to be built for the game to end, and most of them take multiple turns to complete, and efficiently using your dice to work on more than one at a time nets you less points - doh! There needs to be an incentive to buy and build more Contracts, or some kind of mechanism to remove Contacts that just sit in the display turn after turn. (Aside from putting one contract per phase onto the bottom of the deck.) Rolling Freight is also insanely fiddly, setup takes forever (especially setting up the Contract deck.) And did I mention that the contract cards are significantly smaller than even the "Hobbit-sized" cards from Ticket To Ride? Jeez. Very busy graphic design, pieces everywhere. Accidentally bump the board during play? May as well pack it up and move on to the next game. What appears to be the main draw of the game, the dice mechanism, serves practically no meaningful purpose. As long as you have enough dice you can almost always do anything that you need to do. There is very little restriction. The colors of your dice really only matter when working on a contract, you can just use die of any color for most actions. Worrying about dice is just a totally unnecessary addition to an already convoluted game. Age of Steam is dead, sure. But Steam is so good and vastly superior to Age of Steam and Rolling Freight.

[@TzarinaMystra]

I agree with Z that Dixit replaced Apples. I'm not a big "Say Anything" fan. It's fine, but I love Dixit more.

[@TheVosack]

I agree. Dixit is much more fun than Say Anything. The only downside to Dixit (I have Journey) is the small number of picture cards. But the game is still a blast.

[@GamesWithFriendsShow]

"Bang! The Dice Game" killed "Bang!" ??? "Shadow Hunters" killed "Bang!" loooooong ago.

[@FalgorIrthune]

Bang the Dice Game made Bang fun. lol

[@OneFoxTwoFox]

yeah I was wondering when someone was going to mention Shadow Hunters. Shadow Hunters is a truly brilliant hidden role game. And i would rather play it than anything bang related.

[@RMarchiori]

Nothing bangs BANG!

[@Diogmetes]

You can't say Omega Protocol replaced Space Hulk if you never owned Space Hulk ,Sam. You can't replace something you never had. That's like you saying your sunglasses replaced your vagina. At least, I hope that's what it's like you saying.

[@robertmoffitt1336]

OK, this must be the most off the wall comparison I've ever even heard of, but having said that; at some point, I will still pull this one out and throw it down on someone in the future.

[@SamHealey6]

It is a bit of a stretch, I know, but let me briefly explain...before Level 7: Omega Protocol, I greatly desired to seek out and play, maybe even buy, Space Hulk. This was mainly due to the fact that I have kind of a love/hate relationship with GW. I love their products and hate their lack-of-customer-appreciation business model and prices. With that being said, with Level 7: OP on the market, I have no reason at all to seek out another sci-fi dungeon crawl...which is essentially what all those other games are, including Space Hulk. So, one could say that Space Hulk is dead to me, as I no longer have any desire to play it at all. Could I play it in the future, and enjoy it, sure. But it's rarity, and high price point totally invalidates it for me. Like I said, it's a stretch, but that's what was meant...I just didn't explain it well in the moment.

[@jensthernstrom8602]

stone age and setlers of catan have nothing to do with each other at all,

[@dregen77]

Agreed. I always thought Stone Age was more or less a lite version of Agricola.

[@wroot_lt]

Strangely i can't reply to the only comment on this page, about 6 players top list (Google reading my mind and screwing me for not sharing this to G+?..). Anyway. Just a few months ago i would say ok. But now, as my group has grown to 6 people i eagerly await that list. It's a pain to have all the good 5 players max games and not able to play them (unless maybe adding the 6 player artificially). I need 6 players games and good ones..

[@shufflebottom7]

R.I.P. Harvey Lee Osmond.

[@geektome4781]

Ashes, Rise of the Phoenixborn replaced Magic: The Gathering. I first played Magic: The Gathering in 1994, longer than many current players have been alive. I love MTG. But I really enjoy the game mechanics of ARP. With the magic dice there is no real issue with being mana-screwed (or mana-flood) and I think it is a great mechanic. I also enjoy the use of the spellboard. I like having different Phoenixborn characters with their own unique abilities and characteristics (similar to Android: Netrunner). I like passing the round back and forth with a single main action and an optional side action--it adds a lot of strategy to the game. And the game is fresh enough not to have the issue of power creep that is a major problem in MTG. And it's a LCG-style game so you don't need to take out a second mortgage to afford all the cards needed to keep up. There is nowhere near as much diversity of cards in ARP, but it's a new game and I expect that to improve as time goes on. I stopped playing MTG because I simply couldn't afford it anymore. But I am very happy with ARP.

[@ryanahr2267]

God, Resistance. I love that game, but I agree that it's far too easy for the game to implode thanks to one awful player. Last time I played, myself and one of my other fellow spies were running that game, but the other spy, a girl who had never been particularly bright, completely blew up the great game we had going. I have rarely gotten that angry at a board game.

[@matthewsims3806]

I would love to see a top ten list of the best games with a short play time.

[@Redeemedbylove1987]

Correction: Dominoes does not replace Little Caesars.

[@antone1azet]

Caverna replaces Agricola = 100% agree. Agricola is sooo boring, feels like some dumb work. Caverna is just annoying and confusing. Wouldn't pick any of those to play but in my group some people like both (my cousin has the same taste as Tom) so when I must choose the lesser evil - I pick Caverna.

[@cakeordeath81]

They are totally different games

[@RMarchiori]

Caverna kill good taste

[@TrevorJust]

How come Quarriors wasn't killed by, let's say Marvel Dice Masters or Kremlin being replaced by, wait for it, Nothing Personal

[@_Brittany_.]

I am 26 minutes in I’m waiting for someone to yell OBJECTION 😂😂 there’s a number of suspects that killed settlers of catan omg hilarious

[@CaliberBeats]

Um doods....have you not had the Pretzel Crust from Little Caesars? I mean come on...they use cheese sauce instead of tomato sauce...and the rub the pretzel crust with butter when they take it out of the oven...

[@brockh4422]

Not only was this list an interesting topic and informative, but these puns and "murder" theme throughout the list was amazingly funny. Just "oozing" with theme. :p

[@Fr0z0rz]

lol dude, I actually like Dominion you grumpy nerd. :P I'd try Thunderstone though.

[@SamHealey6]

As well you should, you light-hearted nerdette (judging from your avatar, that is). I like the mechanics of Dominion, but Thunderstone uses the same mechanics coupled with more meaningful play.

[@KabukiKid]

I always dug Diplomacy... and thankfully, I never had a game where one player was quickly wiped out. Always had good fun with this one, but have seen people get way pissed. lol

[@madspunky]

Puzzle Strike murdered every other deck building game for me.

[@JoaBelgium]

I'd very much like to buy Fury of Dracula, but it's sadly enough out of print. I'm hoping it comes back soon, though.

[@nerzenjaeger]

Try trading it on boardgamegeek.com. Even harder to find was the German edition of the game, but I was lucky and found someone willing to trade this gem of a game to me.

[@captgundam00]

sam's heat on dominion and tom's suppressed reaction. Lol

[@EyalItsik]

Chaos in the Old World vaporized El Grande for me

[@billjensen51]

I enjoy these lists you make. Keep it up.

[@CrystalblueMage]

Hunger Games 3: Agricola !

[@Aba19xx]

Make this TOP 10 one more time :D, more up to date :).

[@bajjilllion]

I haven't watched this whole video so there might be more I have to say, but Dominion and Catan being replaced? There isn't really another game like Catan out there. I've read the arguments how Catan and Stone Age are similar games, but for me if were to explain Stone Age to a Catan fan who knows nothing about board games other than Catan, I couldn't describe Stone Age like Catan other than "I'd like to play it again and again." They're both extremely fun in my opinion, but I can't see how I can describe them similarly to a person who doesn't know them. Dominion on the other hand... yeah there's a lot of deck building games now, but to never play Dominion again? Nah. There's a lot of people I don't think you could convince to get rid of Dominion in place of another deck building game.

[@elementalsigil]

Hey Tom you need to fix the number two summary screen before Zee kills you. You have that Agricola replaces Caverna.

[@miken1819]

How about a top ten for kids under 10 to play?...but that are enjoyable for parents too!

[@cedspectre1]

Resistance has at gone well in our group, and terrible with certain people. I have literally had a person standing and yelling in my face, completely angry that I continued to accuse them of being a spy. Of course, I was the spy but nonetheless we decided that game was not for her after that experience.

[@Indubitably14]

Thanks for that warning. I'm planning on getting it, but maybe this game needs a preface before you start: Don't take anything that anyone says during the game seriously.

[@nerzenjaeger]

Indubitably Yeah, some people don't understand that the accusations are not meant to be taken personally. It's not about what you believe the player is, but you want the table to believe somebody is.

[@erendrake]

Indubitably is you are looking for a game like resistance that works well in any group. Look at the reviews for "One night ultimate werewolf".

[@Indubitably14]

Christopher Woerz I have Ultimate Werewolf, I picked up Resistance Avalon today because I wanted a smaller group game (around 5-10) whereas Ultimate Werewolf is more like 10-20, but with a different theme. I don't need that many hidden identity games.

[@erendrake]

Indubitably I am talking about "One Night Ultimate Werewolf". Which I have never played with more than 6. it was good even with 4.

[@TrackerRoo]

Should do a top 10 western themed list because everyone loves the old west.

[@KabukiKid]

"Harvey Lee Oswald" lol

[@feekygucker2678]

9:10..."historical flavour which disappears almost immediately 'cause you're attacking... England can attack Turkey for no reason at all"...WHAT?!? You mean like in the Gallipoli Campaign of 1915-1916? (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallipoli_Campaign) Come on Tom; love your show but look to your history man :-P.

[@KabukiKid]

Dune... best 6 player game... simple answer. That would make a fun Top 10, though... Top 10 six player games.

[@Pioootr]

Guess what will be Sam's number one for six players game! :D Think sam should do the top 10 games + TI3 :D And Tom do top 10 + Cosmic Encounter!

[@tamalfrost2220]

I suggested Top 10 games for 6+ players or 5-8 players. Tom said it will happen. :)

[@curufea]

I was expecting Cards Against Humanity to be the choice to replace Apples to Apples...

[@Gnarrkhaz]

47:25: Zee: Agricola replaces Caverna VASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Sandbagging]

I'm a big fan of Thunderstone, but whenever someone says that it "replaces" Dominion, it's immediately clear that that person probably doesn't have an understanding of Dominion. It's probably for lack of experience, as it can take many plays before a new player grasps the mechanics enough to start building skill, but Sam was way over the top in his dismissal of the game.

[@SamHealey6]

Wow...just...wow...-_-...I certainly hope this is a troll. I can't tell you how many times I've played Dominion for losing count!! We wore that game out before the first expansion. Over, and over, and over, and over...jeez louise!!! How many times must a person play a game before they have an "understanding" of it?? Furthermore, after all the times I've played Dominion, if I don't have an understanding of it by now...good riddance! If it takes this long (or longer as your accusation implies) to have an "understanding" of a game, then, quite frankly, I don't have time for that game. And as far as lack of experience is concerned...no, you know what?...I'm not going there...as always thanks for watching! (smiley face)

[@jaredh4678]

Sam Healey Sam, I'm surprised by the tone of your reply; I didn't mean to offend you. I have little insight into your life, other than that you play a lot of different games, so it seemed very plausible that you might not have played a huge amount of Dominion. I stand by that Dominion is a deep game; anyone can pick it up, but it can take hundreds of games to start getting really good at it, and it would be especially hard if Dominion is one of hundreds of different games that you're playing. In light of this, suggesting that you might not have played extensively, or even that you might not be skilled at the game, wasn't meant as a put-down, but I see how it could be taken as such, so I apologize for that. As for the quality of the game, I think we'll end up agreeing to disagree... but I should've elaborated in my original post. I feel the games are too different for either one to replace the other (Tom touched on this a bit; there are mechanical differences which make the strategy and feel in each game very distinct, IMO), so naturally I thought that it was crazy to say that Thunderstone took what Dominion did and did it better; IMO they're doing very different things. Anyways, sorry, again, if you were offended by what I said. As always, I enjoy your videos, not least because it's fun to hear differing opinions about games!

[@SamHealey6]

Jared H No real offense taken, Jared. Your assumption that I hadn't played Dominion more than a few times is what stuck in my craw more than anything else, but you didn't ruin my weekend...:) The core of Dominion and Thunderstone are the same...using cards and their abilities to purchase or otherwise procure more cards. They are both deck-builders...sure, they have differences...but they're both deck-builders at the end of the day. They're both in the same genre of games, along with Among the Stars, Legendary, and the DC Deck-Builder, etc. So, I feel that I am justified in comparing the two and allowing one to replace the other. Dominion tried to have a fantasy theme and failed miserably. Thunderstone came along and slam-dunked the theme, and implemented the card-play in a better (my opinion) way that made more sense. So, for a fantasy deck-builder, Thunderstone gets my vote over Dominion. As an aside, I'm looking to purchase Legendary as my superheroes deck-builder, and possibly Among the stars as my sci-fi deck-builder. So, maybe that provides a bit of insight to how my brain is working here. I don't play games competitively, so as to 'get better' at them. I play them for fun...period. If' I don't have fun playing a game, that game loses its luster real quick for me. It could be the most superbly designed game ever from a mechanical stand-point...but if it isn't fun, away it goes.

[@1872959]

+Sam Healey "If it takes this long (or longer as your accusation implies) to have an "understanding" of a game, then, quite frankly, I don't have time for that game" I'm pretty shocked but I'll be blunt and say that's a casual thing to say.

[@sevroaubarca5209]

2023 list

[@kau6912]

I found 'Escape : the Curse of the Temple' very irritating....cooperative real-time dice rolling just didn't work. And I CAN'T believe all the expansions for this game - what a waste of cardboard and money....! Overrated!

[@MindOfGenius]

I agree with your number 1. BANG!: The Dice Game was a sped up BANG!, but Cash N' Guns is a more fun BANG!. You get to be more of a prick in BANG!, and the bluffing has a lot more weight to it, especially when you have to keep track of who has bullets left, and who is bluffing.

[@salmonblox]

I just don't get Say Anything, I really don't. I want to like the game, it really should work and simply be hilarious, but I just don't appreciate the system. Like Zee has mentioned before, I don't like the fact that you know who wrote what item (although there's really no way around that; even the handwriting can be recognized after a while) as it can lead to favoritism and kill the tension of the judging. Also, I love the voting/bidding system from Wits and Wagers, but here it just feels silly and out of place. Maybe that's the problem, that the game has scoring at all. Just doesn't hit the fun factor for me.

[@junosynth]

47:26 :Agricola replaces Caverna? looks like a typo. LOL

[@kevin3003]

Top 10 heavy games? ...still also on the Top 10 Games with Replayability bandwagon.

[@Darkwolfpocco]

THANK YOU SAM! Starfarers of Catan is one of my favorite games of all time.

[@stevenotjackramsey]

How can Fury of Dracula "replace" Letters from Whitechapel when the former is out of print and the latter got not only a reprint but a revision? I know it's kind of an apples to oranges line of reasoning but why say basically "Like Letters from Whitechapel? Try Fury of Dracula, it's even better! Good luck getting a copy!"

[@isaiahfreeman1027]

shadow hunters KILLED bang dice game card.

[@ryouba]

I haven't played Bang! yet, but I love Shadow Hunters. What are some of the differences that Bang! has?

[@steelchampion]

Would you consider shadow hunters to be in the same sort of genre as The Resistance? And if so, which of the 2 would you rather play?

[@isaiahfreeman1027]

If i would consider it as in the same genre hmm It would have to depend on the group of poeple you are playing with. If you area playing with more hardcore board gamer i would have to go with Shadow hunters. If you are with a group of poeple who are not vary gaming type or they don't have a strong board game background i would choose the Resistance. Also vary my choose for what one i thing is better i would just have to go with Shadow Hunters.

[@isaiahfreeman1027]

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[@steelchampion]

Isaiah Freeman Excellent, thanks for the response! I suppose if playing with the same group of people, start them off with resistance, then play Shadow Hunters after they've gained some experience...Useful, thanks! :)

[@adamfrench1914]

How can Zee compare Dixit to Apples to Apples. They are so far apart from each other as to make the comparison crazy. I HATE apples to apples but really like Dixit. In Dixit there is a right answer when guessing a card. Apples to apples is just some subjective junk.

[@niarudle]

I highly disagree on the Resistance beating Werewolf. I've played both of them a lot and think both are very neat games, but Werewolf is WAY much better than the Resistance. Werewolf can be played by much more players, it has much more flavor, especially the dark mysterious flavor of the night phase. You have a huge variety of characters with unique powers and you can even add more flavor to it by adding items, playing scary music or giving everyone two character cards (already done that many times and it's great!) I've played Werewolf so many times with a big group of people who come together for years just for the purpose of playing Werewolf, many of them actually don't like playing games that much but LOVE playing Werewolf. Plus, I've rarely met someone who doesn't like Werewolf but many who actually hate the Resistance. To me, Werewolf is the unbeaten best party game ever! PS: Steam Park is a piece of sh*t. I've only played it once with three friends and it was just very bad. The economic stuff got boring as hell for everyone even after just a few rounds! Plus, ther's just one thing that determines the winner of the game: grabbing the first player tile. Even if you had a terrible roll, you'll dominate every round if you always get to grab the first player tile. Being first player AND getting two cleaning actions is way too good. I always went all the way for the first player tile ignoring my roll results and after half of the game I was far ahead of everyone else the entire time. I didn't care about the dice rolls because I've built an overpowered building that lets me change one dice each turn. We stopped two or three rounds before the game should have ended because I was almost unbeatable and we almost fell asleep.

[@rufushound9756]

Zee: "I never pull out my Apples if I can pull out my Dixit." Heh heh heh.

[@HeartMcBlue]

I do like your reviews but really? Arkham horror replaced by Eldritch? I know that arkham does have longer playing time, but there is also much more thinks to do. Its almost like saying that you will replace your Porsche with Peugeot... both of them are starting on P. Disappointed... really disappointed...

[@marshalll9257]

Apples to Apples was replaced by Snake oil for me. Summoner Wars and Heroscape are nothing alike and Heroscape is so much better anyway. Heroscape uses a Hex system, which is ALWAYS better than a grid system.