Top 10 P4P Boxers in the 1890s | Bob Fitzsimmons

Who were the Top 10 pound for pound boxers in the 1890s?
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Top 10 P4P Boxers in the 1890s | Bob Fitzsimmons

[@301Tripp]

This video is a perfect example why I love this channel. How many people can even name 10 boxers from the 1890s?🤣

[@alanleemaxwell831]

I wish we had more film footage of Bob Fitzsimmons, he's been my favourite boxer since I first read about him as a 10yr old. First 3 division world champion against much bigger men most of the time, truly astonishing! 🇬🇧🥊👍

[@leojamesfitness6031]

You could absolutely do one of these for every decade of boxing. Be a great opportunity to shine a light on some historical greats

[@stonecold6521]

I'll never get over how crazy boxing used to be. 21 rounds in that one fight? Good lawd. ☠☠☠

[@rockfresh5359]

Real barbarians back then

[@AF-lt2fr]

1:17 - 61 rounds also

[@kingsesinyi7999]

Imagine if they brought back that system. The HWs of today would retire🤣

[@callumwarren3342]

Some went on for 45😭

[@kevincarter7633]

Then you don't understand the concept of boxing

[@jroggs85]

A 61 round fight. Goddamn. Spending that much time resolving the conflict of a ring certainly left an impression on Peter Jackson, seeing as he went on to direct a 12 hour adaptation of Tolkien's trilogy.

[@2000halojones]

Great list. Fitzsimmons without doubt the best of that era. Nice to see Tommy Ryan hasn’t been forgotten

[@roythunderplump]

These dudes could rumble. Thanks for the history lesson.

[@andrewmorris6187]

Awsome.I love the early pioneers of boxers, the transfer from barenuckle to gloves, from unlimited time in a round to 3 minutes a round. These fighters were truly fighting men.

[@Bovara]

I live near where Bob was born. He's still a sporting legend here in England, and hugely admired for what he achieved. It's just a shame his life after boxing was so tragic. But that's a common story for so many from any era. Great to see you covering the pre TV era's Rummy. Keep up the great work.

[@Camcolito]

In the all-time P4P conversation and not just this era I think. Legit middleweight knocking out heavyweights is something, freakish power.

[@michaelhiggs8657]

Such a shame there's no statue in Helston for him. I was down there about 15 years ago & there was talk about having a whip round, but I guess nothing happen. While I'm here I love the Blue Anchor.

[@md4933]

Hard to make a case for a statue, it might have helped if fitzsimmons actually fought even once on British soil..

[@slowjoe0485]

Rummy as always providing the most interesting ideas for a video series

[@devilface97]

Surprised to not see Joe Choynski, and maybe the original Tom Sharkey on this list. Love seeing Dixon and fitzsimmons get some shine and learned some new names to look into myself.

[@RummysCorner]

Choynski just missed the cut and finished at #11; Sharkey at #18.

[@fasasitaiwo5782]

Excellent Video Rummy, honestly have learned a lot about Boxing 🥊 through this lovely Channel. Much love Rummy Taiwo watching from Nigeria 🇳🇬👍🏿.

[@richardkey6122]

Every time a Dummy's Corner pops up, I stop what I am doing and watch it. I especially like the ones about boxing history. Rummy never fails to provide an excellent video.

[@BigBrainLynx]

Dummy's corner 💀

[@frizzneil2590]

@@BigBrainLynx Jim Jeffries?

[@BigBrainLynx]

@@frizzneil2590 LMAO

[@dickmonddickelheimer9452]

This has me even more hyped for that bare knuckle action next weekend. Would like to see rummy cover Knucklemania

[@jackhandma1011]

Peter Jackson was truly a great boxer, and he's also a great movie director.

[@nickharmer3049]

Nice one Rummy. Quite a unique upload. I love my historical boxing. I'm so pleased my guy George Dixon got a rightful place. I went to Soho in London years ago, to try to find where George had won the bantamweight title. Alas, to no avail.! Good stuff. Bless up 👊

[@squinki1000]

Subscribing to this channel probably has been the best decision I have made as a boxing fan , I am always learning something about boxing history

[@adventureswithgrunt]

Peter Jackson is buried in the Toowong Cemetery in Brisbane, Queensland, Australia. Not far from my home. A few articles online will find his story. The public donated money towards the monument which now stands over his grave.

[@shanechristian2253]

I'd like to see boxers from Jack Johnson's era, then from Jack Dempsey's era. 1900s-1920s. Then the 30s-40s. I'd also like to see more about middleweights

[@joemamaluke]

Thanks for all the voters and especially Rummy for all the hard work to make this excellent video. Seriously. Good shit that satisfies my love for history and boxing.

[@GRF64]

Great video. For the 1900s In my opinion the top 3 (not in order) has to be Joe Gans, Jack Johnson and Sam Langford.

[@richardedgell]

It's awesome you're giving coverage to the old school. Hope you do more content on the era of boxing.

[@kufujitsu]

There was a point in Fitzsimmons' career where he was so desperate for activity that he used to offer opponents $50 (a huge amount back then) if they could last the distance with him. Fitzsimmons was the first 3 division champion - middleweight, heavyweight, & light heavyweight, in that order. Going by the historical accounts about him, he was a heavy handed puncher with devastating body attack, & he won the heavyweight crown off Gentleman Jim Corbett with a body shot.

[@davidmccann9811]

And the only person who he was afraid of was his wife Rose. 🤣😂

[@RiverNihil]

George Dixon!!! Youre a true one Rummy

[@Jared-jt6ce]

Loving these old school history videos, please keep them coming 🔥

[@TheGreatTimtini1]

Great post Geoff, I appreciate you and your commitment to making boxing interesting.

[@sdgakatbk]

Really good stuff!! I enjoy all your videos and learn from them.

[@slidecounter5813]

Great Video Rummy as always 🥊

[@davidmccann9811]

Great work as usual Rummy. Thanks! 😉👍

[@caioterrocci570]

Never seen a video idea like this, awesome

[@barryjames73]

I wish I could watch Fitzsimmons now with all the improvements in training and technology in boxing. I think he would be just as awesome, if not more so, than he was back in the day.

[@kid--presentable]

Great content rummy , I do love this channel

[@dterm8526]

Right on, Rummy! I learned a lot from your videos. Appreciate that!

[@impeykellin]

Thank you rummy I always love to hear about the early days of this great spot we all love 👊🏻

[@TheLukieBoi1]

Hell yeah, I've visited Peter Jacksons grave at Toowong cemetary here in Brisbane. I would have been standing in the same spot Jack Johnson stood when he visited that grave 100+ years ago.

[@Eb-or]

Enjoyed that, thanks.

[@SuperDutchGold]

This channel is amazing

[@soturiks]

Great video as always Rummy.

[@RummysCorner]

Thank you very much! Glad you enjoyed it.

[@nepalsixb1583]

Keep up the great vids! Really awesome video topics recently 👍

[@RummysCorner]

Thank you very much!

[@osamashatat]

good video, thanks Rummy

[@Fitness121]

Excellent video 👌

[@kevinkev7828]

Great series Rummy 🎉

[@glennmanchester5696]

I agree with the others and appreciate the history lesson , also always click on a new video lol . Just the way you present things and throw a little honor in on occasion is great keep it up I'm sure there are more boxing fans out there you haven't gotten yet .. have a great day everyone from Florida!

[@hannibalbeats24]

Another class with professor rummy

[@bxing602]

Glad i could participate in this servery Rummy!

[@HipFlippinMamma]

RUMMY, I love the old time boxers. I collect their cigarette cards! Nobody ever talks about them. As always, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO! This 54 year old Gramma GOES DEEP into boxing for decades! Kisses!

[@kufujitsu]

They did an entertaining movie about Gentleman Jim Corbett called - you guessed it - Gentleman Jim (1942). I think Gene Tunney worked on Errol Flynn's footwork & general boxing skills for the film.

[@2000halojones]

It was Mushy Callahan I believe not Tunney

[@davidmccann9811]

I haven't seen that in about 30 years. Great movie though. 😉👍

[@christophercrowley9873]

I've seen in the Peace park here in Cork city a plaque to Jack McAuliffe, Mick Leahy and others. Gary Spike Ò Sullivan will have his also in the future, Gary is a relation of ours. There's a Frankie Laine song called "The Kid's Last Fight" where it talks about when Kid McCoy fought Tiger Wilson.

[@datapro007]

Love it!

[@RobbieCalifornia69]

Another excellent video. What a great undertaking to do each decade. Thanks to you Rummy … and all the contributors that helped make this video. I love how international this list is … Canada and Australia figure prominently plus it’s interesting how both those countries were (to a degree) more racially tolerant than the States.

[@deanthiessen7306]

Nice work Rummy.

[@j.d.thompson3505]

Thank you Rummy. And have a wonderful night.

[@gh0rochi363]

Gotta love your passion for boxing keto it up rummy.

[@michaelteret4763]

Rummy, your videos are the best boxing content around! I’m curious how you feel about other combat sports or martial arts, maybe you could do a video on this topic someday?

[@RummysCorner]

Thank you very much. As far as other combat sports go, I'm not knowledgable enough.

[@michaelteret4763]

@@RummysCorner you’re too humble! Lol…. I know your expertise is in the sweet science, I wasn’t asking you to analyze other combat sports or martial arts the same way. I’m just curious whether you’re at all interested in any of them, and in how they intersect with boxing history. Like, if your videos are a graduate seminar in boxing, what I’m talking about would be an idle bar room conversation about fighting in general.

[@leehyett]

My top ten of the 1890s: 1) George Dixon 2) Tommy Ryan 3) Mysterious Billy Smith 4) George Lavigne 5) Pedlar Palmer 6) Bob Fitzsimmons 7) James J. Jeffries 8) Terry McGovern 9) Billy Plimmer 10) Ben Jordan

[@nkd247]

At last Rummy. What a great surprise. Thank you. Reminding people that the art of pugilism has been around for ages. Great to see long forgotten names. Keep it up big man...

[@RummysCorner]

Thank you very much.

[@leemorrison7113]

Very interesting

[@90Nabz90]

Rummy going DEEP with this one fr

[@jbrowntdown4724]

The fact that you can even make a video like this … 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@runekul123]

Hi Rummy, a bit off-topic, but here I go. I would love for you to do more preview & predictions especially, but also post-fight review if appropriate, on the top 10 fights within the heavyweight divison. Examples such like Joyce vs Parker and Ruiz vs Ortiz were a couple of fights I would've liked to hear your opinion on, as in my view there wasn't really an obvious result and I thought those fights had an intriguing clash of styles. In addition, would also be interesting to see how you see the heavyweight landscape is after a couple of top 10 fights, if making two post-fight reviews is a bit much. but of course, quality over quantity, what do you think? With kind regards Rune from Norway. PS: Love your videoes and keep it up! I have learnt so much about boxing and you have been much of the reason I am as interested as I am today, as I started following around the fall of 2020. Edit: spelling

[@Quaristice]

The ultimate boxing hipster video.

[@stasKZ]

will u be making a tszyu vs harrison video?

[@miabueloesamunikeymipadrel4878]

I though that Sullivan, was the best of this era. Thanks for share, Rummy.

[@davepoke]

Sullivan was the last of the bare Knuckle champions, his prime was in the 1880s, in which he fought also with gloves, as bare Knuckle was being eased out in a sport that was still mostly illegal then

[@miabueloesamunikeymipadrel4878]

@@davepoke that I understood. I once heard Bert Sugar talking about him a few years ago, before he passed away. If I don't review these data, my memory plays tricks on me. I knew that he had been the last champion of bare-knuckle boxing, and also the first champion with gloves. I'm still wrong but I have in mind that he was reigning for nearly a decade, and also that he was one of the first athletes to win 1 million dollars. Bert Sugar was a boxing encyclopedia of all times. And rummy is on its way to becoming that, if it isn't already.

[@davidmccann9811]

"The only training I need for a fight, is a haircut and a shave." John L Sullivan

[@kathleentoko3161]

Bob FiTZSIMMONS my great great uncle

[@AIRRAID2]

Rummy day. A good day.

[@WillHeritage]

I'm a boxing fan!

[@TheLeppus28]

I think when exactly somebody was introduced into Hall of Fame is a good indication how great he was. Taking into consideration both International Boxing Hall of Fame and old Ring Boxing Hall of Fame the list would be like this: 1-2. Bob Fitzsimmons & James Corbett (1990/1954), 3. George Dixon (1990/1956), 4. Peter Jackson (1990/1957), 5. Young Griffo (1991/1954), 6. Kid McCoy (1991/1957), 7. Tommy Ryan (1991/1958), Jack McAuliffe (1995/1954), 9. George Kid Lavigne (1998/1959), 10. Joe Choynski (1998/1960). I would definitely pick Griffo and Choynski over Smith (2009/-) and Erne (2020/-) which are on your list. Griffo had 118 wins (as per boxrec) and Choynski 59 (Smith and Erne only 37 and 31 respectively).

[@davidmccann9811]

In his biography the famous Australian champion and trainer Larry Foley (who trained Bob Fitzsimmons and Peter Jackson among others) was quoted as saying that Young Griffo had more ability than any fighter he ever saw, and that included Jack Johnson.

[@stevecochran2677]

Rummy Rocks boxing !!!!

[@kchoodsta]

I think this is cool. Great history. I also wonder with Mexico having such a great boxing history i ask myself if there were pro boxers from this era that were from Mexico.

[@Dayumshawty]

same here from a mexican!

[@Peter-zg3em]

who went there? rummy went there.

[@pugil1sttheboxingforce940]

My favorite era. I (Chris LaForce) am writing the first (book) biography of "Syracuse" Tommy Ryan. Nice list! IMHO the only one who might have been overlooked is Joe Fans, though he didn't win a world crown until the next decade.

[@pugil1sttheboxingforce940]

Joe GANS, that is. 😁

[@laurenknowsitbestwithautis4141]

THIS IS VERT cOOL I HAVE AUTISM LOVE THIS SUBHECT

[@unodragon2294]

Hey can I ask if you can make a video about prince naseem hamed and how he would do in modern day boxing with his style

[@RummysCorner]

He's been on my to-do list for quite some time. I need to rewatch some of his older fights, but I will get to that eventually.

[@unodragon2294]

@@RummysCorner good luck then thank you for commenting

[@DavidUKesb]

@@RummysCorner Naz sabotaged his own career log before he fought MAB. Such a shame as one of the greatest talents in boxing history. Very similar parallels with Mike Tyson.

[@MoltenGriefing]

I know some historians who rate Tommy Ryan very highly

[@wraithstrongopark]

This should be good.

[@uppitycoon]

You can’t give a good accounting in 11 minutes, and all of Rummeys best shows have been over an hour long.

[@oelofvorster2004]

Loved it but what about the original Jack Dempsey

[@RummysCorner]

Finished #22 in the Survey.

[@davidmccann9811]

He was more a fighter of the 1880s as Bob Fitzsimmons took his MW title in 1891.

[@Ngatikahu-aka-panbadass]

Ruby Bob is a New Zealand hall of fame ledgend the , The blacksmith born in Cornwell and raised in Timaru New Zealand .

[@dwaynem7880]

Shout out George Dixon, invented shadow boxing. Legendary Nova Scotian alongside another great from the province, Sam Langford. And a much lesser known from the province, me🤣

[@kathleentoko3161]

That's my great great great uncle

[@MoltenGriefing]

Jack McAuliffe never beaten as an amateur or professional.

[@mymountrushmore6235]

How on earth did James Jeffries miss the cut…I know he was late in the decade but in the decade has wins over Fitz, Jackson, Sharkey…

[@RummysCorner]

He finished #14.

[@davidmccann9811]

Peter Jackson was already a sick and dying man when Jeffries beat him (I think it was in 3 rounds). I think Jeffries should be in the next decade though.

[@rileygibson4615]

P4P 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, 2000s, 2010s

[@codylaxton3287]

61 round no contest?!?! 😲

[@jamiepike6909]

Never been a big fan of P4P. I like it as a conversation piece, but i don’t like when people use it as fact( don’t think you are). Putting some context in other sports, you wouldn’t say a single A baseball team that dominates at their level is better than a MLB team that dominates less at their level.

[@musak.4068]

Are both teams in the MLB?

[@frizzneil2590]

Jim Jeffries #1...

[@remy12]

They look like average joes off the streets in their pics!! I bet these dudes were tough as they come though.

[@elnick1000]

I would probably have Langford over Ketchel, as they did box against one another, and many according to BOXREC, felt that Langford got the better of him.

[@edwardhinton1615]

So many draws and losses in them days

[@davidmccann9811]

Fights were often left to newspaper decisions with no judges or decision at ringside, and in addition fights would often be called a "draw" if nobody was stopped. So we could fight and agree on a draw if we both survived. You could then totally outclass me and knock me down in every round, but if I survived it would be officially marked as a draw. This is largely because boxing was illegal in most US States, but you were allowed to have "an athletic contest". But this meant it had to be called a draw, regardless of what actually happened in the ring. If a decision was given, it was considered a "fight" and all participants could be arrested and locked up (including the ref and cornermen). This is also why places like Reno and Carson City were popular for title fights, because they were in the middle of the desert and the only law was the local sheriff; who could usually be paid off to look the other way and enjoy the fight along with everyone else.

[@kid--presentable]

Alot of these you say are Americans are actually Irish . The Irish were tough bastards back then

[@colincampbell7928]

Kid Lavigne knocked out a guy called Andy Bowen in the 18th round. Bowen died. Lavigne also fought Barbados Joe in a fight arranged thar if Lavigne didn't get knocked out he wins. Barbados was also drajned making the weight but won more rounds. Crazy boxing history but fascinating.

[@burtonaka...]

I guess this was that Grey area from bare-knuckle into Marquis Of Queensbury rules...these guys probably would compete with anyone today and next to nobody would recognize them. A few would scratch their head and say, " idk...I ve seen this guy

[@jaylenmontgomery7912]

61 rounds 1:16 ??? How was that possible

[@ccdc7058]

Harrison Ford

[@obgaming101]

Have you been playing the relatively new boxing game known as Undisputed?

[@RummysCorner]

No. Is it any good? I'll look into it.

[@obgaming101]

@@RummysCorner I havent tried it yet but the reviews are very positive for a game in early access (on steam). It's also the first boxing game since Fight Night Round 4 from 2009.

[@Whiteyy191]

I’m sorry 61 round?

[@ianmooney5495]

Scarcely believable!

[@jordanbettencourt9621]

Jim Corbett v Jake Paul; who wins and how?

[@playwithmilk8032]

From the footage of Corbett, I’ll honestly take Jake Paul, boxing evolved

[@Dayumshawty]

We must set some things for example ruleset: if its from the days of daniel mendoza or the days of john l sullivan and corbett or the days of jack dempsey before neutral corner rule or after it, or modern rules. Another factor is: bareknuckle, gloves of the day of corbett and dempsey or with modern gloves because these influence of how people would fight its not the same things and for example the way they fought in those day was influenced by the gloves and ruleset of more grappling and wrestling

[@adrianoelblanco9586]

I thought joe gans was the first black world champion not dixon

[@RummysCorner]

Gans became the first black American world champion in 1902, which was 11 years after Dixon had become the first black champion.

[@adrianoelblanco9586]

@@RummysCorner woooow I never knew thanks for the info!!!

[@2000halojones]

Nope. First Black lightweight champ though

[@jonlee3081]

John L Sullivan doesn't make the list?

[@RummysCorner]

He finished #26.

[@jonlee3081]

@@RummysCorner wow, why is that? Was he overrated?

[@davidmccann9811]

@@jonlee3081 He only fought once in the 1890s and he lost (to Jim Corbett, the only defeat of his career).

[@jonlee3081]

@@davidmccann9811 I didn't know he only fought once in the 1890's. That clears it up. Thanks for the info.

[@yeeuoi7333]

61 rounds? 😅