Top 10 P4P Boxers in the 1900s | Joe Gans

[@ButlerLimerick]

Really proud to see my ESB username up there contributing a piece of Rummy’s work. It’s an amazing project he’s doing. Two decades down and finishing up my 1910s list.

[@RummysCorner]

Thank you very much for contributing, and looking forward to the 1910s! Cheers!

[@RealJRoyall]

Idk anything about boxing prior to like the 70s and I don't really know what I'm talking about until the 90s (I'm 33 so basically when I was alive is what I know), so I really enjoy these because they teach me a TON about the history of the sport. Thank you, Rummy. You're the man.

[@anthonyventi1579]

Check out anything written by Bert Sugar, or “gods of war” by springs Toledo.

[@martindunstan8043]

Yeah Rummy is great, perhaps try other great channels as well like Scrapbook boxing, Hardline boxing talk, 86 boxing, Random Acoustic Thoughts. I've subbed to all these guys and their combined knowledge is immense and often do live streams together 👍

[@-Andre-Rodrigues]

@@martindunstan8043 No doubts, Martin! 👍

[@andrewmorris6187]

My list 1. Langford 2. Gans 3. Johnson 4. Walcott 5. Ketchel 6. McGovern 7. Jeffries 8. Driscoll 9. Ryan 10. O'Brian.

[@NotBrutality-101]

Awesome series, Rummy. I love hearing about old time fighters. It seems impossible to be as active as they were.

[@J.R.Savage]

Very nice list, although I would have Sam Langford a lot higher. He beat Joe Gans for a non-title fight, he was robbed against Joe Walcott, and he beat Stanley Ketchel for a non-title fight (however that was in 1910). Not to mention the fights he had with Joe Jeannette.

[@hummuna69]

You obviously know what you are talking about, and Sam Langford is truly the G O A.T. and T.B.E. He is, however, almost completely overlooked, as your comments show. To add on to what you said, he also gave Sam McVey at least one ass-whooping and also took on the huge Black Panther Harry Wills. Jack Johnson beat Sam when Langford was just starting out, and since didn't want anything to do with him. Same goes for Jack Dempsey, who openly admitted that there was only one man that he feared and that would have flattened him, and that was the "Boston Bonecrusher". He, like the great Harry Greb, fought a good part of their careers blind in one eye, with good old Sam actually being led to the ring by his entourage; he was that blind in the twilight of a stellar but overlooked 25-year career. Props to you for your boxing knowledge. Nuff said. ✌️

[@hummuna69]

Sam Langford fought Harry Wills a record 22 times, having 6 wins, 2 losses (both by knockout) and 14 no-decisions. Harry held the Black Heavyweight title 3 times, and Sam Langford twice.

[@Dayumshawty]

@@hummuna69 Just imagine the savage fight that could have been harry greb vs sam langford the war of the 2 davids

[@JARVISSMITH65]

@@hummuna69 Jack Johnson drew the color line against Sam Langford based on money not FEAR . Knowing white people weren’t going to pay good money to watch two black men fight for a title t. That claims the winner is the strongest man in the world.

[@JARVISSMITH65]

@@hummuna69 Jack Dempsey was different. His decision not to fight Langford , I think had nothing to do with fear of losing .

[@Omar_R__]

This series is another good reason for me to learn more about boxing history. I'd only heard about Jack Johnson before watching this. Awesome idea and great work Rummy!

[@RummysCorner]

Glad you enjoyed it! Cheers!

[@playhousefilms368]

Barbados Joe should be much higher from the stories I've herd about his abilities across all weight classes.

[@josephphoenix1376]

Excellent Episode 👍 Hats off to the Volunteers for a Great Job!🏆

[@thatbronzeboij]

All your videos are quality videos!!

[@RummysCorner]

Thank you very much. I appreciate that!

[@ianbrett3276]

Iv been a boxing fan since the mid 80s so iv not heard off most of these boxers and my knowledge really only goes back to 50s and this is only the most famous of those eras so thanks Rummy for the education you are one of my favourite KZbin channels thank you for all the great videos

[@jonlee3081]

I think what you're doing here is really good for boxing. Good on ya.

[@chrism8457]

even if the term was coined in the 1900s wasn't no respectable lists until damn near 90 years later and shoutout to Ring magazine for bringing us out of the stone ages and having a heavyweight p4p Tyson

[@garrickragon1232]

Absolutely Joe Gans #1 Maybe the greatest of all time. Duran vs Gans would be epic!

[@DreDaDon16]

I loved Rummy befire but after I found out he also does Sopranos videos....Oof Madone....hes my favorite KZbinr

[@RummysCorner]

Thank you very much for saying that. Cheers!

[@adamc1272]

Thanks to these videos there is a small chance that one day I will know slightly more than shit about boxing. Cheers Rummy!

[@blindeinsteinnichols6195]

Nice work Rummy👍👍👍👍👍

[@RummysCorner]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@marcushudson3198]

Finally!!

[@craigstack4696]

Great video, just on the Langford comments, this is from 1900-1909, Langford hadn’t fought the likes of Harry Willis then.

[@KazeShikamaru]

I was about to say Langford and Johnson should be higher but....then I saw Gans. I went wow........yeah he can be number one.

[@hadronoftheseus8829]

A decent list aside from the from the truly head scratching exclusion of Tire Iron Jones. And I would add one-legged Pogo Pete McAllister as well.

[@PaulHoughton-d7x]

Agree joe gans number 1

[@petebooth5121]

Whoever didn’t even find a place for Johnson in the top 10 is just being deliberately contrary.

[@colincampbell7928]

Sam Langford had 126 ko's, Joe Gans had 100. Stanley Ketchel had a 94% ko ratio, the same as Gerald McClellan. Sam Langford beat Joe Gans aged 19. In his first 2 years as a pro!

[@chriso1585]

Jim Driscoll would’ve definitely been ranked in the top 10 at the time I believe, well above Terry McGovan as great as he was Driscoll amazed American reporters when he went there. EXCELLENT list though I just sent for Batt Nelson’s autobiography which is supposed to be good. Amazing how well he did against Gans, shame the video is so poor of their fight

[@Seathestars13]

These ballet dancers ov 2day av some catching up 2 do🧐😳

[@tylerrobbins8311]

Surprised Jefferies was ratted so low, aside from his forced come back against Johnson he has a perfect record. Was more shocked with Langford being so low, I rate him for above Johnson who gets far to much credit. Especially since Johnson some how pulled the color line to duck Langford. Glad to see Gans get his due credit.

[@shroudimmortal5109]

More like top 10 boxers no one alive ever saw box, amirite? :p

[@matheusalves5160]

Oh boy, good old Abe Attell. I aways get myself arguing with my friends if he or Benny Leonard is the best lightweight or Jewish boxer. Still inconclusive, sadly We've never agreed

[@bjh7924]

...er...who doesn't put Jack Johnson on their list..? 🫤

[@joeallenboxing]

The people that did the research/voting did an excellent job!

[@stephenking8505]

Can't argue with that list. Gans was truly a remarkable fighter and without doubt the best of that decade. Loving the content right now Rummy. Keep up the amazing work.

[@RummysCorner]

Much appreciated! Thank you very much!

[@allknowerofwwetna1]

Rummy's is the best of the best

[@alexduran2476]

Surprised Jack Johnson wasn't # 1, but records speak for themselves. Super iconic boxer, fought through a lot of bullshit to win his titles.

[@JP-rl4bc]

agreed. that's what makes him #1 on my list

[@Iamneverright]

Wouldn`t it be great to go back in history with a smart phone and film these great fighters, and download it on KZbin. Man, can you imagine the pleasure it would give to true fight fans all over the world. Another great vid Rummy.. Thank you

[@RummysCorner]

If I had a time machine, first thing I'd try to do is film all of the Ezzard Charles vs Archie Moore bouts, and then go back a bit further and try and get some of the Gene Tunney vs Harry Greb fights, so yeah - I'm in total agreement. To be able to see what boxing looked like 100+ years ago (not including the usually limited mediocre film we have from that era} would simply be incredible.

[@madocokaikoi3464]

I think this is a very good list. Joe Gans at #1 and Jack Johnson at #2. I would have put them in that same order. I can't wait till we get to the 1940s. I think Sugar Ray Robinson should easily come out at #1 for the 1940s. He had a record of 101-1 in the 1940s. I can't think anyone else who comes close.

[@smv9338]

Sam Langford is way too low at only number 5.

[@richardedgell]

Surprised that Jefferies fell outside the top 5 more Surprised Langford had 0 1st place votes. Can't argue with Gans at #1.

[@2KDUDE22]

How the hell was jack johnson not on every survey only 12 of 13!!! Was that 13th person on drugs!!!

[@Camcolito]

The oooollllldd Mong.. er, Master.

[@RummysCorner]

I had the same vibe inside my head reading those parts.

[@Camcolito]

@@RummysCorner ;) Love the videos. Fan from Ireland.

[@dexocube]

This is where I go to get schooled. Thanks for the education Rummy.

[@foozballguy]

Great content. Video ideas: history of the rules; history of the alphabet bodies (always fascinated by the WBU) why so many and what they pioneered

[@RummysCorner]

Good ideas, all!

[@joemamaluke]

Thanks Rummy and all the survey takers for making this another awesome vid.

[@ronmailloux8655]

This is among the hardest decades of great fighters and the fact that you have Gans Langford and Ketchel in this era proves it is hard because of very little film and many questionable judging like newspaper scoring from perhaps biased journalists .

[@nickharmer3049]

Excellent upload. Can't fault the editing & delivery. I love the historical boxing, so this is right up my street. Props to you.! I'm really looking forward to the next one Bless up bro 👊

[@RummysCorner]

Glad you enjoyed it Much appreciated. Cheers!

[@sdgakatbk]

Abe Attell. The same Abe Attell involved in the 1919 Black Sox scandal?

[@sdgakatbk]

@Think This I didn't know if there was more than one Abe Attell or not. Of the reading I've done on the 1919 Black Sox scandal, I never remembered anything saying that Abe Attell had been a boxer.

[@eliharris123]

❤️‍🔥

[@osamashatat]

top notch as usual

[@powerplay4real174]

Ole Master that's a extremely thoughtful name to have a a young boxer ,it speaks volumes. 🥇🏆🥇

[@musak.4068]

Wonderful! Still to address the darker side of Boxing as we are witness to similarities today whether those of you wish to admit it or not. Black fighters were discriminated against no matter the culture, ethnicity, language, or nationality. Long as they had brown skin and certain features- they were widely discriminated against. Threatened and assaulted even. Right here in the USA. This cannot be said for those belonging to a mexican, Italian, European-Jew, or filipino identity. Soon as the racial barrier which was overwhelmingly an *Anti-Black* barrier, largely fell down, we bore witness to amazing feats of Boxing. How does it relate today? Well even in the past 10yrs we've witnessed it. There's no way so many people defended canelo refusing to fight Andrade at 154, when Andrade was a champion and was calling him out. Then so many people defended canelo when he himself stated he wanted to become undisputed at 160, and only needed to beat a mandatory (Jermall Charlo) and the Andrade who held the final belt to collect. There's no way that people have defended golovkin who refused to fight both Andrade and Jermall Charlo for 6yrs straight despite both of them relentlessly calling him out. Well there is one way: discrimination. The same people defending those actions would then scream "why don't [they] fight each other?" *We* always knew they meant "why don't the two dangerous Black guys take each other out?" The media and ranking system never put them at the top that's why, they were gunning for the ones placed at the top, and were much more proven than the competition those two chose to face instead. Hell Andrade even signed with Dazn and was on the same network & in the same division as those two for years and they refused to fight him. Racism aka the anti-Black barrier isn't a thing of the past. It's still alive in the present. Andrade and Jermall aren't the only examples. Devin chased Loma for years, even becoming his mandatory. The same people defended loma refusing to fight him, claiming "Devin hasn't done anything" & "Devin doesn't deserve it." Yet mocking Devin at the same time. YET, those same people praise loma for fighting Ortiz who hadn't achieved a sliver of what Devin had achieved. And commey who honest fans know is a walking punching bag who will never make the hall of fame. The goal is to see the best fight the best. Only discrimination would make someone disagree with the necessary matchups. When Teo had the belts the same people were saying Devin didn't deserve the fight. When george had the belts the same people were saying "george is already undisputed Devin has an email belt he doesn't deserve the fight." Now years later they are making excuses for why Loma will lose to discredit Devin. The fight could've happened years ago had Loma not ducked. During those years of them discrediting Devin guess who they said he should fight instead? "Devin and Tank should each other, why won't they get in the ring if they are so good?" Which once again simply meant: "the two dangerous Black guys need to take each other out." They wanted the guys that media and rankings put at the top, that's why. They were clearly superior competition to the people Loma and Teo had chosen to fight instead. I could do this across several divisions. *Racism aka the Anti-Black barrier isn't a thing of the past and it is egregious to pretend otherwise.* I'm a fan of Boxing, I love Boxing. Doesn't mean I don't have eyes, common sense, and can't see what's clearly been happening. They'll make a million excuses why they hate Floyd and don't count his wins, yet praise canelo who indeed tested positive for PEDs. Thanks to the testing that Floyd fought hard to implement. Hell the same people spreading false rumors about Floyd being on steroids are the same ones saying he's pillow fisted. They are also the same ones calling him a coward and blaming him for the manny fight not happening sooner, DESPITE knowing that manny refused to agree to steroid testing and that being what held up the fight. Freddy Roach is ON CAMERA, stating that the fight not happening was their fault because manny didn't want to be tested. Floyd is American, yet right here in our own country they slandered him despite knowing all this and rooted for a foreigner. This is thee historical Boxing channel. It's work will last for as long as the internet is available, and many future generations to learn from. I must leave this comment here so that people of the future can learn what's going on here in modern time, and do their best to banish this ugliness from the sport in their future. The truth of the matter is all this discrimination is what's been killing the sport. An undisputed champion at 160 when all those names were there would've brought more attention to the sport. Oh and before anyone retorts "Floyd was never undisputed" in response to the canelo failing steroid testing piece of history. No Floyd wasn't but he should've been. Not enough Boxing channels have covered that, I don't even think Rummy has covered it but I could be wrong on that. It seems like something he would've a least brushed through in a video. Zab Judah was the undisputed welterweight champion before Carlos Baldomir upset him. Judah fought 2x in 2006 losing initially to Carlos and then to Floyd. Carlos fought 3x in 2006 beating Zab, then beating Arturo Gatti, before losing to Floyd. Floyd fought 2x in 2006, beating Zab and Carlos back to back. Floyd beat the to champions back to back. Behind the scenes shenanigans are the reason Floyd was accredited his well deserved undisputed status. Which would be another accolade amongst his very long list of premium accomplishments in the sport. So long Boxing fans, until next time.

[@JustinG1978]

Happy to have taken part in the survey. Rummy’s attention to detail and respect for the history of the sport is rare today. 🍻

[@RummysCorner]

Thank you for the kind words, and thank you for volunteering to participate! Most appreciated. Cheers, Justin!

[@mike7190]

Nice video as always rummy

[@RummysCorner]

Thank you very much!

[@matthewarchibald4081]

He also invented the upper cut😊

[@duncaninglis5407]

Good onya Rummy loved this show mate and can’t wait for the next one. Did you see our lad Tim Tszyu yesterday he demolished an ageing Tony Harrison who has looked better, but he looks like he’s ready for Charlo🥊

[@alecdunnachie5351]

i know very little about this era of fighters but Tyson Fury's current stance and presence in the ring reminds me very much of the promotional pictures of those prizefighters from back in the day. He's a throwback!

[@montbrink4700]

He's just the biggest man in boxing....

[@andrewr62]

I personally would not include Jack O'brien. Most of his fights were in fact no decision, had little punching power and was involved in some very questionable fights. He lost to other "greats" such as Langford and Ketchel. He was given a very generous draw against Tommy Burns. And as for his Light Heavyweight "KO" against Fitzimmons who happened pass out in his corner between rounds seems suspect to me. Also Ketchel over Langford? Please. In their short six round bound to promote a potential mega fight it was apparent in most accounts Langford had the far better of this fight and backed off to not make Ketchell look to bad .