Top 10 Premodern Cards That Are No Longer Good

[@dorping_Wolf]

number 9. "same card" hold up. wording!!! i mean, look at that power creep. they literally reversed the downside into an upside with the phyrexian obliterator.

[@fernandobanda5734]

Yeah, that was some tremendous mistake

[@TheRedGauntlet]

And the card isnt even that powerfull to modern standards.

[@egg9206]

holy shit yeah that is SO egregious. “essentially the same card” and then it’s literally the reverse effect, making your opponent sac instead of you. RTCETC

[@Forestxavier20]

To be fair though, it is keeping in line with the theme of Phyrexian theming. They destroy, they use every single drop of something, there is just contagion or in their case, reproduction. Their oil is unnatural, mutagenic, and corrupting. Annihilator existed as a keyword at this time, the choice to not give it the keyword creates the appearance that this was not like the destruction by Eldrazi, but instead something different. Infect (Poison), Oil, Phyrexian Mana, most Phyrexian cards themselves all incur some cost to grow stronger.

[@raynmanshorts9275]

AI-generated script? Also, Terravore seems like the _opposite_ of what this video was supposed to be about, since it's a pre-Modern card that was not good, but is now good. Which would make sense if the script was AI-generated.

[@CGA003]

Dude whoever wrote your script definitely did not read Phyrexian Obliterator right. Obliterator's ability works when *either player* deals damage to it, not just its controller deals damage to it. It is an infinitely stronger card than negator. If your opponent attacks you with a 5/5 while you have obliterator out, and all they have is one creature and four lands, they will have to sacrifice all those creatures and lands when obliterator blocks and takes damage. If an opponent casts Blasphemous Act while you control Obliterator, they'll have to sac 13 permanents. It's one of the most threatening creatures in the entire game if it gets on the battlefield and the quad black mana cost is to make it next to impossible to splash into colors outside of black. Calling them "essentially the same card" is so, *so* objectively incorrect, that I can't fathom a logical explanation for that statement other than just not reading the card properly.

[@darkgenesis611]

3:35 "For essentially the same card" I would suggest re-reading those cards.

[@greedtheron8362]

You listed the wrong set of legend rules for the time Lin Sivvi was dominating. When she was printed, the rule was "If your opponent had a legendary creature out and you tried to play one, your copy and only your copy would just go to the graveyard instead." This made mirror matches ten times worse as it was just a race to see who could get their copy out first, as it locked the other guy from playing theirs. They changed the rules after that.

[@stigmaoftherose]

Technically the original legend rule stated you can't cast the spell at all if the legendary is already on the field.

[@Myky44kinwai]

@@stigmaoftheroseyou can still cast it, but the legend rule will make you sacrifice it. Essentially, the copy to first be played will remain. This was the use of Unnatural Selection, by changing duplicate copies of a creature into Legend, forcing the controller to sacrifice all but one.

[@OneOfThePetes]

Obliterator is NOT "essentially the same card" as Negator.

[@iwalkwithzombies]

My dude, obliterator is a significantly different card from negator. Good vid tho.

[@GoingOnAStreak]

Haha came here to say something similar lol. Without even bringing up sheoldred, obliterator was intended to be a MUCH more powerful reimagining of negator.

[@joshmallett5718]

This channel has great content and usually adds 2-3 awful and obvious mistakes to aid with KZbin algorithm by baiting comments such as this.

[@zerazerazerazerazerazerazera]

@@joshmallett5718 that or mispronouncing card names in very stupid ways

[@Matti_Mattsen]

its pretty clear at this point that he doesn't really play Magic and only reads a script he got from his editors. So if they mess up, noone notices until the video is out.

[@GoingOnAStreak]

@@joshmallett5718I’m usually a master bait avoider but I’m a goldfish on this one. I like mtg and this channel so I run straight to the comments.

[@Prefesuersheen]

10:58 You remove 3 counters from Saproling burst to swing for 12 immediately because the counters' Power/toughness are equal to the number of fading counters on sap burst. 6 damage from 6 bodies would be a poor use of the card in most cases.

[@arthurfleck4320]

Some others: Shadowmage Infiltrator: Psychatog's old partner in crime. Morphling: This was literally called "Superman" back in the day. It was THAT good. Spiritmonger: A 5 mana 6/6 with upside was INSANE back in the day.

[@jessicalundholm2773]

They even made an aura version of Morphling with Pemmin's Aura which is an anagram for "I am Superman"

[@spencerme3486]

Shadowmage infiltrator saw little play due to the prevalence of UG madness and wild mongrel

[@B-Ran_the_Man]

Top 10 cards that make long-time Magic players feel old

[@jameslocurcio9437]

No one ever removed 6 counters from sap burst righ away. You would normally remove 3 or 4 counters to swing for 12

[@Chrisuan]

I guess you would do it if they have 5 blockers and are at 3 life but it's a rather rare occasion at least

[@darko-hexar]

I know it's a common thing to point out spelling mistakes, misnames and mispronunciations in these videos, but I think this is the first time I'm noticing a missing word in the thumbnail lol

[@dissipation]

Gush returns 2 islands to your hands, so with the +2 card draw, this card effectively gave psychatog +6/+6 for free

[@Th3Rad10D3m0m]

If your going for damage, don’t remove all 6 counters, remove 3 or 4, for a total of 12 power 10:54

[@Eron2828]

Honorable mention: Spiritmonger.

[@85mcarnold]

As an avid Premodern player, you may send me all copies of these cards you no longer have use for. Please and thank you.

[@brandonbrooks779]

Grim Lavamancer isn't top tier but I certainly wouldn't call it a bad card. It's been power crept out but so has pretty much every 1 drop

[@dstreetz91]

Yeah I don't play mtg anymore and grim lavamancer was a weird inclusion since it's not bad. Repeatable removal on a 1 drop is still quite powerful I would imagine.

[@mjjjuly]

how is regeneration worse than ward?? maybe you meant indestructible.

[@SyxxFtH8]

My man... if you're gonna talk premodern, please use the original printings of the cards.

[@yuuumtheepic4118]

The newer printings have better readability, that's prob why they're used

[@marioroz3142]

"Invigorating Hot Spring" is still on Standard at the moment, is kinda similar to Fires of Yavimaya (maybe better imo) but only sees fringe play at most. I miss the time when the game was grindier. Nowadays everything is hyper aggressive or removal tribal, there is little space for janky cards on the competitive scene.

[@DAsrada]

Jon Irenicus: Oh, Negator is terrible now. Which is why I am so graciously gifting you one.

[@phyrexian_dude4645]

Jon Irenicus, single handedly making 90% of trash creatures usable while also torturing your opponents.

[@DAsrada]

@@phyrexian_dude4645 Mine is basically a bunch of utterly terrible nonsense from pre-modern, a lot of ramp and card draw, and then Exsanguinate, Torment of Hailfire and Mind Grind.

[@brickcast7986]

Grim lavamancer still a badass in my cube tho

[@nathanielfischer5440]

As somebody who played during the Negator being good era. If you played it on turn one with Dark Ritual. You felt real bad when the opponent went mountain Shock it.

[@HiRoSaToMa]

Masticore and squee, goblin nabob was so much fun back in the day.

[@SyxxFtH8]

I have a Zombie Infestation premodern deck. Squee features quite heavily in it. 😁

[@DAsrada]

I'm looking at Lin Sivvi's EDHREC page. It reads like a Mercadian Masques standard nostalgia page.

[@TheBoatis]

I did not know Sutured Ghoul and the Processor were that old! Makes sense why they seemed like bulk in the Phyrexia/RTR era.

[@BCWasbrough]

I didn't think people played Negator in their main deck. It was a great sideboard card against control. When your opponent isn't playing creatures or burn, Negator's damage problem is minimized.

[@joehenderson1]

These cards are good... in premodern. Cheers mate!

[@JPPorcaro]

Oath of the Druids

[@spencerme3486]

Control doesn’t exist like it used to. A U/B or U/W control deck could just keep the board clean and let you drop psychatog (fueled with a few fact or fictions) and swing for lethal with wonder in the graveyard making him fly. It was the premier control deck of that era

[@Shoyro]

Based on what's leaked (and confirmed), Terravore might see a revival in usage once Modern Horizons III is released, as there's probably going to be a bit of focus of Lhurgoyf cards in mostly RGB. And for the record, Wizards of the Coast issed an official statement on April 30, 2024 confirming that those leaks were real.

[@chuckbilly-zg1ob]

Your description of the way Psychatog was used is incorrect. The best (World Championship winning) way to use it was to control the game until you had enough mana to cast both Upheaval and Psychatog (preferably with counter backup). You would float all your mana, resolve Upheaval, then cast your Psychatog. The result would be bouncing all of your (and opponent's) permanents, overfilling your hand and causing you to discard down to 7. This would fill your graveyard while subsequently clearing your opponent's board. You pass turn, they play one land and next turn you exile your graveyard for a massive Psychatog swing.

[@SpitefulAZ]

Saproling burst usually made either 3x 4/4s or 4x 3/3s. They are harder to block and more overall damage.

[@MSR-1701]

Saw the title, saw Lin-Sivvi, and knew this would be interesting 😅

[@repayzBerlin]

Don’t agree with Grim Lavamancer bc it‘s playable in Legacy Burn… & would be even better without Bowmaster in the format. You should have included Ball Lightning instead

[@nikospolitis5635]

19:49 is that correct? If i remember well, during Mercadian Masques, the legend rule was different.When a Legend was in play, any new copy of that card entering the battlefield would get destroyed, while the first version would stay in play. So your Lin Sivvin was not a kill spell for the opponent's Lin Sivvi. Matches were a rush to get a Lin sivvi out and keep her in play. That is why bad removal spells like last Last Breath where played. To remove the opponent's Lin Sivvi.

[@dstreetz91]

I'm hazy on the legend rule back then, but I did know that at one point it was you couldn't even cast or play a legend that was already in play. So even if you had no cheap artifacts to fuel tolarian academy for example just playing it denied the opponent the ability to play academy, which was pretty good back then. I'm guessing it was the same for Lin Sivvi, who was the best way to win the rebel mirror.

[@lanibentz9976]

Good to see terravore getting some love like it’s younger brother. Love me some lhurgoyfs

[@WUZLE]

I'm surprised Morphling didn't make the list.

[@kanrakucheese]

Can you do something like Top 10 best non-power nine cards of the 1900s? So many cards have been dubbed "Tenth card of the power nine" I think there's plenty of material for a list.

[@Tm00ne]

I was really frightened when you've shown Metalworker in the intro...

[@milesgreb3537]

I'm pre modern they are still good. And pre modern is the beat format so😊

[@BlackBeltGamers88]

I miss the old days of casual magic before the internet and just generic optimized decks only. I had an old deck that I built for our casual games after school. Green infect/poison creatures with combat tricks like giant growth but the noteworthy way that the deck kept itself safe and allowed me to attack every turn was running briar patch, thunderstaff and sun droplet. Basically made it so unless they had a giant bomb creature, I either took no damage or minimal damage and since our games had 4-6 people, sun droplet was huge life gain. Even moreso with 2 or 3 in play. One of our group always played burn and another always played artifact modular with a trike and sword of kaldra. So I'd lose some creatures but they'd struggle to finish me off as even the direct burn gave me life back over time. I miss those days though, go to your local card shop and pick through the random boxes for upgrades. I wonder if sun droplet, briar patch and thunderstaff are even viable any more.

[@MangeWolfe]

Hang on cowboy, obliterated has upside. Negator and obliterator are not the same

[@MangeWolfe]

3:33

[@justinstronger5146]

Ojer axonil deepest might is lavamancers friend.

[@MABfan11]

sounds like the Rebel tribe needs a buff

[@7Alberto7]

Amazing!

[@MsAhutch]

Before I watch this video, if you put raging Goblin on this list, I won't be very happy

[@daveyanr5178]

Missing Morphling, a.k.a Just Scoop lol

[@willl793]

Morphling?

[@izaiahsundquist6877]

I know you guys make a lot of videos and findingnthe right card can be an extra step but I'd appreciate for a video like this for you to use the old bordered versions of cards since that is the original defining part of retro cards vs modern cards.

[@josephwodarczyk977]

It's honestly not that much work to get the old art too. Just apply a not:reprint filter to scryfall searches.

[@izaiahsundquist6877]

@@josephwodarczyk977 I agree though I try to be as positive as possible to get on their good side.

[@Meddling_Mage]

at least they're still good in the Premodern format!

[@MSR-1701]

Wait, this is a legit format???? Awesome!!!!!

[@Meddling_Mage]

there's plenty to check out on KZbin and there's a website! its a community format, so no DCI tournaments, but you can get games if you find the right crowd!

[@jeezuhskriste5759]

@@MSR-1701 not officially but you could probably find some people to play with online

[@dyne313]

@@jeezuhskriste5759 Why would you? It's a format that will literally never change.

[@jeezuhskriste5759]

@@dyne313 YuGiOh has a couple of old formats like Goat that are just “every card that was legal at whatever point.” People play old Pokémon metagames on Smogon all the time. I don’t know why it’s so surprising that people would like something that doesn’t change.

[@micharadecki7298]

I guess you have never played Fires of Yavimaya yourself :D You play saproling burst to make 3x 4/4 tokens, not 6x 1/1 :)

[@martinmespiespinosa7218]

Top 10 cards that actually created a Keyword

[@denniskehl9820]

nice video! whish you would have mentioned oath of druids while talking about terravore. Its the most used payoff in oath decks.

[@ReederMG]

Top 10 Elves

[@summoningscenes7875]

Makes a list of premodern cards, and then uses modern printings to show all but one of them 😂

[@monsieurkain218]

Am i the only one triggered because Mana didnt use the OG cards 😂

[@marczwander893]

Idk I think all of these cards are still good in Premodern ;P

[@gabrielesquaratti5709]

this video is cursed. those cards are still good, just play premodern

[@Cromulant]

Why does the KZbin algorithm ever list this channel to anyone that plays Magic? After watching three of these videos it's painfully obvious that whomever runs this channel has no knowledge of the game. They can't even bother to read the Phyrexian Negator and Phyrexian Obliterator cards. What a joke.

[@anannoyedpanda]

You realize you can just not watch the video and shut the fuck up right? Thanks 😊

[@Progerard-uk8ix]

Damn i am early. Wow. This video will be good.

[@7ItalianStallion]

Such a meaningful comment. I wish everyone left such an incredibly insightful comment. Truly is really worth reading. Not a useless comment that just takes up space because someone isn't heard enough in their personal life.