Top 10 Racing Games

[@Orthovandro]

Loved the video. Flamme Rouge is a terrific game.

[@JeffGoris]

I can't believe Flamme Rouge wasn't on any of their lists.

[@saiyanroyalty229]

Tom hating Flame Rouge still makes zero sense to me

[@peaudest]

I don't like Flamme Rouge, but I'm not really into racing games

[@misterfigs7871]

Rallyman GT and Rallyman are different games... Rallyman GT is definitely a heads up race!

[@C4Explosion00]

The noise Tom makes at 13:25 brings joy to my heart.

[@ogreman2229]

Rallyman GT or the new Rallyman Dirt are worth a shout out. Fantastic games.

[@2besavedcom-7]

So much more to this than initial play. I read through the rules and could see some underlying strategy, my wife and I played this and she commented that is was a random dice rolling game, but let me force her to play it a few more times, and by the fourth game, she was quite enjoying it saying, I get it now!

[@ogreman2229]

@@2besavedcom-7 I absolutely agree.

[@AriumUnknown]

@@2besavedcom-7 I agree. Simple enough for anyone to get into, deep enough to stay a good while. The custom vehicles people have used lift it up even further. The racing trucks posted by Jean-Christophe Bouvier were pretty cool!

[@2besavedcom-7]

@@AriumUnknown - Custom vehicles? Now you have my attention! I better go look this up...

[@XGmastersX]

For me Rallyman GT is my favorite racer, downforce and pitchcar make up the rest of my top three.

[@Cameronwatt]

I lucked out and picked up a copy of pitchcar in my local charity shop a few weeks ago. Best ten bucks ever

[@middleclassboardgamer]

I wasn’t going to thumb…and then Tom stood up and put his suspenders on. Loved the Secret Cabal shout out.

[@hanseathl]

Cabalist forever!!

[@utahgamer]

My top 10 minus what was covered: 1. Roborally 2. Automobiles 5. Fast Flowing Forest Fellers 9. Mississippi Queen

[@joeferreti9442]

I also missed "RoboRally" and at least a mention of "Mississippi Queen".

[@BenBoersma]

Our favourite is Minuscule. Pitchcar and Formula D is up there, but we have just had so much fun with Minuscule. It's very underrated.

[@davegildersleeve4316]

I had the opposite experience with Formula D. I was bored to death, wishing the game would end. It was my first play, so maybe I need to try it again. Great video guys!! Thanks!!

[@2besavedcom-7]

First, you really must play the advanced rules and two, it helps to have someone more experienced to "assist" you in which gear you should choose for at least a lap. The choices are actually quite crucial and the more experienced the players are, the quicker the pace as long as each is counting the options ahead of their turn...

[@joeferreti9442]

"Hare & Tortoise" (SdJ 1979) is a very fine game. It's one of the games my parents used to play with us kids when I was young. And it sparked a love for board games in me. The version from Ravensburger has nicer graphics than the English versions from what I can see on BGG.

[@davegildersleeve4316]

I also really enjoy Hard and Tortoise!!

[@Warriorking.1963]

An absolute classic, although the current version by Gibson Games looks really weird.

[@cableshaft]

Found a copy at a second hand store and really enjoyed it. Wish I had more racing fans in my game group so I could get that (and other racing games I own) to the table more often.

[@GrayWolf323]

wow I'm kinda shocked to learn Tom hates Flamme Rouge it'd quite possibly be my #1 racing game

[@mrchom]

Yup, totally do not understand the ambivalence/dislike to Flamme Rouge, it's a great racing game.

[@oliverjest]

Me too, not only is it my favourite racing game, Flamme Rouge is my favourite game of all time. Especially with the expansions and playing a Grand Tour linking multiple stages together. Surprised to see no love for it here.

[@TheRatedOniChannel]

@@oliverjest The fact that you can play a whole tour has so much to the game that I certainly don't understand why Tom hates it that much... time for another Tom Vasel is wrong Top 10?

[@BulletsRubber]

When I was considering buying Flamme Rouge I watched Tom's original review. I was surprised then how negative he was, but it was one of those times where I felt that he simply missed the point of the game, and not seen any of the nuance or strategy. Fortunately I ignored him and bought it anyway! Great game!

[@rachelandryan]

I think it's too simplistic with only two choices per turn. I've also heard, can't verify, that there is a game breaking strategy whereby the person who just picks the highest number in their hand everytime, regardless of situation, wins more often than not. Apparently the distance between the players and lack of blocking negates the penalties.

[@todddonaldson7974]

I wonder where Heat: Pedal to the Metal would place now...

[@ryanfreels9150]

I have the car racing version of Ave Ceaser - Ausgebremst. The mariokart figures worked so well on it that I made a variant and it is one of my most played racing games.

[@jameskirk4692]

Thank you! Very useful lists and video, and very entertaining.

[@JonoNZBoardGamer]

I would totally love an expansion for Downforce that has a fireball island inspired board and on the reverse a thunder road vendetta inspired board! Fantastic idea!

[@TheAmazingYeti]

Restoration Games has no choice but to do this now.

[@rickthompson3843]

Especially if they could have marbles roll down at various times in the race. 100% great idea.

[@eVanDiesel]

Restoration games should take a page from Stonemaier, and like rolling realms, release a board based on all other Restoration Gamea releases. Most looking forward to the Dinosaur Tea Party board *edit* I wrote this comment before i saw they said it!

[@benjaminspears8488]

Being able to flick a fireball or boulder to knock over a car? Brilliant!

[@jacksonmillard7598]

Summer camp is a deck building racing game. It feels weird saying that but technically it’s true. That being said Summer Camp is fantastic! Great list Zee, Mike and Tom!

[@ThymeKeeper]

Don't see a lot of GMT games on these lists. That puts me in a happy place :).

[@AllplayHQ]

We're with you, Tom! We want a Magical Athlete reprint!

[@salmanqaisar7377]

Come on BoardGameTables! Get the license and bring it to KS, with hundreds of SGs!

[@CoreyMarinoGames]

Rallyman GT is the best racing game I've played. I do have a soft spot for auto racing. Formula D was close, but has too many issues and doesn't play well with multiple players.

[@CoreyMarinoGames]

@@Ironhawx I've seen formula D games in person where players couldn't move much due to too many players. One lap lasted hours. In formula D you aren't supposed to count spaces to corners but everyone does, which slows it down. I've played 6 players with Rallyman Dirt and was able to plan ahead with ease. I'm looking forward to Rallyman Dirt

[@CaptLoquaLacon]

@@Ironhawx I'm even more against it than you. The fact you can spin out by accelerating in a straight line? Pure garbage. Long straights require you to brake to move further? Not even slightly realistic. The heavy penalties for bad dice rolls like losing a braking or coasting dice? What idiot thought that was a good design choice! The way you can miss a turn because of how another player puts their car? Awful. The ability to gum up a corner? You'd get DQed and banned in a real race for doing that... You can tell it was designed for Rallying, and there is some joy in the solo game where you try to sequence the dice to navigate a tricky set of corners, but the multiplayer game for me, especially with more players it just doesn't work. I've not tried Formula D, I have some reservations because of how slow it looks, but it can't be worse

[@grog3514]

Formula D is really fun. But I suggest playing 3 player where everyone gets 2 cars. Then its not as awful if one of your cars just gets blown out by a bunch of unlucky rolls. Turns are fast and everyone is engaged.

[@Calistake047]

Great Top 10. Really surprised Flemme Rouge didn't make any list though.

[@salmonblox]

Salmon Run is a deckbuilding racing game

[@PatrickBrophy]

Formula D was the first hobby board game I bought even before I was in to the scene. I still wish I picked up more of the original tracks as they are pricey now.

[@ogreman2229]

It is by far the most “valuable” game in my collection as I have 8-10 of the formula de tracks that now sell for $100+ each.

[@Jonathan-ei7vp]

I would have expected someone to mention Cubitos for sure!

[@Chiller-zh5nc]

Best word of the video award goes to Zee Garcia for "Rubumtious" 👍🏻😁

[@felicitycarter79]

Can’t believe no-one mentioned Fireball Island! Definitely a fun racing game as you try and grab those treasures and get back to the helicopter first. +1 to the Fireball Island Downforce map, reverse side should be Return to Dark Tower.

[@bibleboardgames]

Thank you! I guessed Jamaica and Pitch Car. I didn't think of Quest for Eldorado but keep hearing its very good.

[@rc7771]

An older game, the Great Space Race, based on the cartoon space race is a blast. It suffers from a setup/teardown issue, and there are ways to break it during play, but my group always had fun playing it.

[@wishmeheaven]

It mostly suffers of how it looks but I gave you a thumb up for the knowledge and originality.. (I own it. Never had the chance to play it just yet)

[@scoopblue]

Cannot believe Circus Maximus was not on someone's list! Best racing game ever!

[@geoffreys78]

I have a top 10 request: Top 10 coffee shop games - games that are under an hour, not too complex, can fit on those tiny little tables, are max 4 players (small tables, so mabye max 3), and are really great to play over a cup of Joe. - I grab a coffee every Sundy with my daughter (for her read: aztec hot chocolate) and we play games like Point Salad, Arboreteum, Cartogrophers, Flux, Sushi Go, or Onitama. I would love to find a few more to add some more diversity to our coffee shop choices. We tried Chronicles of Crime and, man, did I want that to work. It did not.

[@RoyalPieMaker]

My wife and I do this sometimes. You should check out Tussie Mussie, Hanabi, Schotten Totten and Silver and Gold. Great little card games that are pretty quick and simple!

[@aaronmoore54]

I’d suggest: Raptor, Mr. Jack, Mint Works, Love Letter (most don’t like it at 2, but you might), Cat Lady, Counterfeiters, Santorini, Tides of Time/Madness, Thunder & Lightning, The Timeline series (pick your favorite topic), Welcome to/back to the dungeon, Llama. Most of those should work in the cafe others might be a tad big depending on the table size.

[@duncanbarker6051]

Just got air land and sea and plaid this on small table in the park with my son. They do critters version if WW2 theme isn’t to taste. Pandemic hot zones are small and ticket to ride cities eg london

[@paolopiccione7470]

Thanks for the great video. Curious that Flamme Rouge didn't come out in any of the lists.

[@mebarker74]

Steampunk Rally Fusion #1

[@dallasuphold1745]

Thats a great one!

[@GamingWithGeo]

Thunder Alley is still my favorite racing game, especially with the expansion and extra tracks. Really looking forward to the upcoming expansion, even though it is taking a long time to come out.

[@msanasiri7873]

Thank you guys for the amazing video, I keep watching between time to time as I like the concept of racing game + 6 players game which suits my group number. I would like to recommend a racing game for you guys, It’s called Sonic Super Teams, it’s super fun and fast game and it has the take that aspect which makes it even better, you can move your heroes or your opponents depending on your cards and you want to force your opponent to land in the traps, also there is power-ups which makes it better. I always play it as a two player and I am planning to try the 4 players.

[@hanseathl]

It always makes me smile to hear Tom's pronunciation of "um Reifenbreite" and I really like the game as well - I bought for 10 € 😁

[@tomdelany7085]

Only took to number 8 for Mike to say "modern classic" and "Vincent Dutrait." Now that's a race!

[@nathanlige2961]

I wish more people got to to try Race For the Chinese Zodiac. Fun theme and great game theory moments.

[@ConeDefense]

The intro "sort of a race deck building" discussion led me to believe someone would have Clank. I'm not sure it's a racing game, but it certainly can be.

[@raptormaster666]

Parker Brothers Formula 1 was the game my family had, required such strategy. We even made our own tracks and had a championship.

[@foxburrow1863]

I can't believe no one mentioned Golden Horseshoe Harness Race Game! Best horse racing out there! It's rated 9.5 on BGG!

[@ScytheNoire]

Once again, the People's List is the best of them.

[@BoardInTheHouseBGAplayer]

Games with a race in my mind include first to travel to this location wins. Oracle of Delphi has that win condition and definitely feels like a race. Also... I would love a trick taking racing game.

[@WhatUpRob]

Holy cow those Down Force tracks, racing through board games is an incredible idea.

[@keel1701]

They need to remake Ave Caesar with Star Wars podracing. I could see Jabba making everyone give him tribute.

[@SeerMagicX]

Race! Formula 90 is the best racing board game out there. But it certainly isn't light, so doesn't get the love it deserves.

[@ThaineFurrows]

I agree. For me personally it's the no. 1 racing game.

[@SteLasVegas]

I'm curious where Heat Pedal to the Metal would fit in this top 10 for each of you

[@345345asdasd]

Scrolled to find this comment... was heat not out yet when they made this list or something?... it's better than formula d to me!...

[@SteLasVegas]

@@345345asdasd they say it in their top 100, they didn't play it yet (or enough) when doing this. I may be wrong but it may have been the higest one on their top 100 among racing games. The only exception being El dorado

[@maktmissbrukare]

Note to Zee: Roborally is a racing game. Pre-programming doesn't negate that!

[@kongo621]

Would you consider Claim to be a deckbuilding trick taking game?

[@saiyanroyalty229]

1000%

[@DonVanPelican123]

No Rallyman GT?!

[@MadSlantedPowers]

My copy of Long Shot the dice game should be arriving next week. I probably would have had it by now, but I added on the Roland Wright game, and it was temporarily out of stock.

[@johnpanagos5835]

Cubitos and Flamme Rouge

[@LoDoFilmUnlimitedMedia]

Rallyman GT is hard to teach? Who are you trying to teach it to? It's so light, it could fly away!

[@DonVanPelican123]

Agreed, huge hit in my friend group which is full of... I don't want to say idiots... but not very heavy gamers i guess? The only thing they've had trouble grasping their heads around is replotting their line after a loss of control when rolling flat out.

[@TheBrokenMeeple]

It’s not the most intuitive system though.

[@aidanvitticore3475]

War is the ultimate deckbuilding trick-taking game

[@msmilder25]

I took your words of praise of Long Shot the Dice Game to heart (speaking to Zee and Mike) and picked it up today at Barnes & Noble (which comes with an exclusive expansion set of horses). I just saw it on their small box kiosk and recognized the title and grabbed it...price was right, it looks cute, looking forward to test playing it. I would have been totally oblivious to the game had you not mentioned it in this video, so thanks for that.

[@drjamband1]

It's really fun! I played for the first time recently and enjoyed it.

[@jasonmabry8526]

Man, I still have my old Formula De copy of the game from 20 years ago!

[@RaynorJ2]

Downforce new map should be Rainbow Road on one side and racing around Fireball Island with an angry Vul-Kar shooting fireballs on the other side. Come one restoration games, make it happen.

[@middleclassboardgamer]

Would Bristol 1350 be considered a race game? That’s a fun one.

[@nishant_kumar]

1:25:16 - @Zee Long Shot the Dice Game is a roll and write racing game you reviewed, loved and had in your list today. At #2 at that 🤣🤣🤣

[@ggil]

Nobody even mention "Race Formula 90" ????? UNBELIEVABLE!! THE best racing game by far imho!

[@pacoestevez8780]

Is Clank! a race game?

[@pfcravt]

Thunder Rolls is the racing game Richard Lanius put on kickstarter

[@within_grace]

Rallyman GT is the best racing game!

[@joeskis]

These guys are euro influenced for sure. Thunder Alley, Apocalypse Road, Championship Formula Racing all great racing games. But complex, high strategy games.

[@kristoffel7340]

Flame rouge is a deck-building game, but in the negative sense. You add fatigue to your deck.

[@neilmason3563]

Reverse deck builder! Starts strong gets weaker! I really like flame rouge!

[@kennethfharkin]

Some I love but weren’t present. Gravwell Road Kill Rally My all time favorite racing game and LONGGGG out of print FASA’s CIRCUS IMPERIUM

[@Paul-ro6py]

Down force and Jamaica are my top racing games. Jamaica moved on as the children got older. Downforce has stuck around due to the expansions which help change it up.

[@mikaeki5245]

Just started watching, 2:50 i would say that Claim is a deck building trick taking game.

[@deantucker4938]

No love for Steampunk Rally. ☹️

[@bjorn2899]

Ist there any Boardgame out there, wäre you can have 1:64 die Cast Cars Like hot wheels as your Player Figures?

[@CanadianFabe]

Speed Rally.

[@mpacetti00]

There is a homebrew podracing game using the hot wheels podracers

[@albionhustler9836]

I did this with Thunder Alley. I made homemade tracks.

[@CaptLoquaLacon]

Have you seen the game Vektorace? I think that might be of that scale, though the problem you get is needing a bigger table to fit it. Not sure if Gaslands has been played by any of the crew, but that does exactly that, and I'd also maybe mention Steve Jackson's Car Wars and the l'd GW game Dark Future as having that possibility

[@dviant13]

Summer Camp is a deck building racing game.

[@jasonjoyce2177]

And a good one at that.

[@eriksjogren800]

Thanks

[@TheKesslerFoundation]

Five ones not mentioned - Circus Imperium, Icebergs, RaceDay, Sorry Sliders Cars 2, Squig Hopper Racing game from GW. Also, Milles Bourne still holds up.

[@wishmeheaven]

I can't believe that despite having all Formula D expansions it doesn't even included in Tom's Top10.

[@matthew.strout]

I haven;t watched yet so it might be what your were talking about but The Quest for El Dorado is deck building and racing

[@speedandstyletony]

Glad Tom put Monza, great race game for kids but still lots of fun for adults. It needs more track options though.

[@Dalmatinac3]

Formula 90. Flamme Rouge. Rallyman gt.

[@m-sousa]

Concerning the initial discussion: Claim is kind of a deck building trick tacking game. You are building your deck for the second part of the game. I like L&C a lot too, but I get the concerns on the players number. I enjoy it 3p more than 2p, but it can drag if only 1 or none person have played it before. 4p I will only play it if everyone already has experience with the game.

[@darinherrick9224]

The next gam on my list is a modern classic.

[@netmommy4]

@Zee Sudoku Dice is a great trick taking game with a (dice-)draft at the beginning. You reviewed it 2 years ago ^^

[@nshaw1299]

before watching: Interesting to see if we're talking about games that 'are *won* upon reaching a goal' or games that have a race in them (Jamaica for example)... or both.

[@JonoNZBoardGamer]

The deckbuilding racing game thought prompted an interesting game idea. A game where you race over a season earning points based on placing in the races each week. In between races you upgrade your deck and upgrade your car and make sponsorship deals. Not sure fully how the deck would be used, but having a 5-10 mins of intense racing then a 5 min training phase could be fun. Kinda like the millennium blades format? Just an idea, but I'm not the type of person to be able to make it work

[@simland]

Blood Bowl Team Manager is very close to this.

[@insanegammer109]

"Automobiles" is a bag builder racing game.

[@murrrr8288]

No Rallyman GT on the list? My absolutely most favourite racing game!

[@BoardInTheHouseBGAplayer]

1) Oracle of Delphi 2) Lewis and Clark 3) Camel Up 4) Jamaica 5) Downforce

[@kdevine7800]

Zee being a precog with a Roll and Write racing game. I’m looking at Motor City.

[@snogurt]

Wait- Tom remembers the Mysterious Cities of Gold!!???? 😍 I often feel like 80s Nickelodeon was gaslighting me! No one remembers this show.

[@GuppyJ]

How Rallyman GT did not make the list really stumps me.

[@jordangibson3455]

Agreed. Best racing game hands down.

[@CaptLoquaLacon]

I can explain it in one simple sentence - you can spin off the track by accelerating in a straight line! That disqualifies it from being a good game, let alone a good racing game, and then you add in the way you can make a player miss a turn? The game punishes you unrealistically for the most basic thing in racing. If you're playing it solo, it's not bad, but as a race game? It really sucks (and I'm saying this as someone who has set some top 20 times on BGA in the solo mode...)

[@GuppyJ]

@@CaptLoquaLaconthanks for the response and fair enough if that is your experience. Congrats for the great times set. I have seen plenty of races where cars spin of while running straight in real life. Especially when pushing the limit, which is what the dice are reflecting when you take your chances consistently. So not unusual. I like the punishing aspect. Keeps the racing tight and makes you only take well calculated risks. Which for me is racing to a T.

[@StinkyWizleteets]

​@@CaptLoquaLaconso you're telling us you have no idea how to play Rallyman GT

[@pfcravt]

Also, Flamme Rouge is reverse deck building

[@TorIverWilhelmsen]

Yes, and you sometimes add "exhausted" cards to the deck, that is sort of "building".

[@pfcravt]

@@TorIverWilhelmsen bad building but I guess it works lol

[@rekasil]

What happened to Last Aurora? :)

[@EfrainRiveraJunior]

I backed Rallyman GT, which is my first race game. After this list, I'm kinda regretting my purchase.

[@albertfajarito1]

I'm a simple man; I see a DT video with Tom, Zee and Mike in it I click play and just let the good time roll. Also timestamps for all the notable moments :D . TOP 10 Funniest DT moments in 2022 please.

[@northabbot7116]

I love Jamaica, but I want to find a way to make a bit faster and push it to 8 players

[@MadmanCZ]

The games they have picked are all kinda light-ish, personaly I like playing Rallyman and Steam Punk Rally. Steam Punk Rally kinda has that Roll Player dice mechanic vibe. I actually own Jamaica, Formula D, Rush & Bash and Camel Up as I love racing. Formula E sounds great for parties. Down force is a game I would love to try.

[@patzuk3463]

I love Expedition Northwest Passage - visually striking and great gameplay! Glad it made the list!

[@Andrew_NJ]

Northwest passage is NOT a racing game, as finding the Northwest passage is irrelevant to winning let alone being the first person to find it. It is instead an excruciating exercise in min/maxing points under the alloted game time. It should not be on this list.

[@JacobPorterLadder]

No Cubitos 😭

[@albertfajarito1]

Moments Note: Throughout the video a wardrobe malfunction 6:47 A Race By Any Other Name 7:19 Equistrian Misdirection

[@AlastairGames]

I thought you guys might have put Ready Set Bet in there!

[@johnyang6077]

Long Shot is a roll and write racing game. I believe Zee even reviewed it.

[@modemacabre]

Tom on Flamme Rouge: "I hate it." So a 5.5 rating or lower means Tom hates it.

[@mrsuitcase9799]

One of you should give Championship Formula Racing a try. Excellent game. Simply Excellent.

[@jonallen6851]

Agreed

[@14stockfan]

I feel like that is one that you need to have some interest in real racing to be able to fully enjoy it.

[@mrsuitcase9799]

@@14stockfan I wasn't really much of a real racing fan! Though, I've come to enjoy the sport more in the last couple years, but that's mostly due to Netflix's "Drive to Survive" show!

[@justind8586]

The second edition of Lewis and Clark is much shorter than the first edition. It's really good at 3 and 4 now.