The fact that GameFreak finally gave delibird a power-up but made it too strong until it got banned is kinda sad and funny at the same time
@keithr86002 жыл бұрын
It's not banned in 'official Pokemon championships' Smogon is not law man, they are biased about their favorite metas and it gets annoying. There's a lot of new strong mons and strats to be found out. But the battles get really stale if you can use your favorite Pokemon just because a non official community said so
@johnnyneutron15302 жыл бұрын
@@keithr8600 right now in Pokémon Scarlet and Violet ranked mode all legendary Pokémon and all paradox Pokémon are banned.
@bewarebewear15072 жыл бұрын
@@keithr8600 technically it is banned right now
@kittylover622 жыл бұрын
I think the word you're thinking is ironic
@tk-ol3ml2 жыл бұрын
They realized what they did
@TheJaredPunch2 жыл бұрын
Palafin: I feel so weak… Hero Palafin: POWER! UNLIMITED POWER!
@kittylover622 жыл бұрын
Inside a Pokeball: "Itty bitty living space!"
@lordcommissar78132 жыл бұрын
Palafin: I can see... Hero: I CAN FIGHT!!!
@chimuoma3902 жыл бұрын
Can He Defeat ImperialDramon Paladin Mode In Digimon World Dawn/Dusk's Platinum Tamer Test,Though?!?!?That Is The Biggest Question!Jet Punch Vs Royal Slash!Wave Crash Vs Omega Blade!
@jarrodkopf68132 жыл бұрын
I have an Iron Bundle on my team, and it is so much fun to use in Pokemon battles because I have it use Freeze Dry and Water Pulse for STAB, Drill Peck for coverage against Fighting, and Flip Turn for when it needs to get out of a situation. It also has Jolly nature and Booster Energy to make it faster in battles, and its TeraType is Ice in order to increase Freeze Dry's power.
@reddy4play10 ай бұрын
Special attack down on a special attacker. And drill peck? Yeah idk why you even typed this out.
@Emerald_Vizsla2 жыл бұрын
On the contrary, Palafin as a playthrough Pokemon has been clutch for me personally and I'd recommend it. I may be bias because it works a lot like Meowth with U-Turn which I use often, but it's very useful at the head of the party to type check the first pokemon an opponent uses, dealing some damage while safely switching out early for a better type coverage as well as fulfilling the task to costume change for later.
@JakeReehl2 жыл бұрын
Except Meowth doesn’t come back more powerful. Not exactly the same
@Biz_God2 жыл бұрын
I used iron treads that way with volt switch and my meowscarada had Uturn. It was good way to swap safe and get a good type coverage if it was bad match up
@Emerald_Vizsla2 жыл бұрын
The habit of using switch out attacks is the focus of my comment. They surely aren't the same, I did say a lot like.
@forestthomer938 Жыл бұрын
Where do you even catch palifin
@Emerald_Vizsla Жыл бұрын
@@forestthomer938 You have to join a union circle while finizen is in your party to evolve it I think level 38
@Vestaxowner12 жыл бұрын
6:00, roaring moon isnt the only paradox with 590 base stat total, Iron valiant has it as well
@blackdragon62072 жыл бұрын
Let's appreciate how far delibird has come
@the-angel-of-light-gardevoir82 жыл бұрын
Paradox Pokémon are broken…..
@tragiic3332 жыл бұрын
@@the-angel-of-light-gardevoir8 not the jugulis sadly
@808waialuaboi2 жыл бұрын
I love Tatsugiri as a “glass cannon” type pokemon. High SP Attack, Very fun to play with throughout the story, and the fact that it disguises itself as a nigiri sushi is amazing! 😂
@justinterry2926 Жыл бұрын
Assult vest is a great item on it
@Ecl1pse_152 жыл бұрын
I always get hyped when I see a mystic umbrella notification
@CrazySwarit_Official2 жыл бұрын
Sus
@yeetskeet32 жыл бұрын
Mystic umbrella😂
@Thylaacine2 жыл бұрын
@@yeetskeet3 💀
@Yuki_Ika72 жыл бұрын
Agreed, it helps shield me from the sun, I have very pale skin so it gets sunburned easily
@Vietnow152 жыл бұрын
Rain must be intense. Glad I live in Cali 😆
@TrueZero22 жыл бұрын
Here's a point about Houndstone and Last Respects: It counts a Pokemon being revived and KO'ed again as 2 separate KOs for the boost. In terms of raw power, it caps at a blistering 5050, or 100 KOs.
50x100=5000, not 5050. Your math is bad! Annihilape is better with its Rage Fist, because it doesn't require KO'd Allies.
@sinnebunZ Жыл бұрын
@@Number1SethRollinsFan Actually, it's right! Yes, 100×50 = 5000, but the attack starts at base power 50
@MissySodapop2 жыл бұрын
my go-to is gholdengo. that ability is just too bonkers good to pass up. I'm a bit sad that Glimmora didn't make the list but I'm glad it was on the honorable mentions. I usually don't bother with hazard setters but Glimmora is just so fun to use.
@PokemonAddict12342 жыл бұрын
I love how Cyclizar has Shed Skin it recovers from Paralysis really fast. 🤗
@jefferyoneill12 жыл бұрын
Gohldengo blocks Mortal Spin as well, which functions just like Rapid Spin, but poisons instead of raising speed
@alejandrobernard38282 жыл бұрын
I agree with most of this list, but your definitely underestimating Chi-Yu and Annihilape should be on this list too.
@robertperez22622 жыл бұрын
Sis it’s his opinion and his list. Outsiders opinions don’t matter. Though I’m surprised he didn’t put Tinkaton on the list…
@alejandrobernard38282 жыл бұрын
@@robertperez2262 I know, I was just stating my opinion too.
@deezinator2 жыл бұрын
@@robertperez2262bro tinkaton? his stats are dog and his attack stat is like 80.. Annihilape is one of the best pokemon in the game and Chi-Yu is so good
@wilfordbrimley6892 жыл бұрын
He put dragapult above chi yu and ape isn't on it at all. This list is either old or he doesn't know the meta at all
@fryingpan632 жыл бұрын
@@wilfordbrimley689 What do you think of Ceruledge?
@NoName-ov5xf2 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, Chi Yu should not be an honorable mention but on the list. 100 base speed is, while not outstanding, still very good and thanks to its ability and the high Special attack it can easily make use of a Choice Scarf and go to town. This is very dangerous, especially with Dark Pulse having a 20% flinch chance, which can be devastating if it happens even once, since this thing doesn't allow you to take hits and waste a turn, otherwise it'll crush you. You can also just as easily run Choice Specs so nothing can switch into you since base 100 speed is still pretty fast. You can go even beyond that and run a Nasty Plot set, which can easily snowball or blow big holes when used correctly. This thing got banned in Nat Dex OU, that accentuates this things power even more
@wilfordbrimley6892 жыл бұрын
He put dragapult above chi yu and annhihilape isn't on here. This list is a joke
@malachirodrigues30132 жыл бұрын
I will call the paradox Pokemon their respective names. Like magneton the Sandy shocks, donphan the great tusks, salamence the roaring moon, hariyama the iron hands, etc.
@malachirodrigues30132 жыл бұрын
@someone that is so funny 😜😝🤭.
@KamenSentaiGavan2 жыл бұрын
Then what do you call iron valiant?
@malachirodrigues30132 жыл бұрын
@@KamenSentaiGavan gardevoir/gallade the iron valiant.
@KamenSentaiGavan2 жыл бұрын
@@malachirodrigues3013 But which one specifically?🤔
@malachirodrigues30132 жыл бұрын
@@KamenSentaiGavan sorry it's galgar the iron valiant. A combination of gallade and gardevoir. Most people will see iron valiant as gallade so gal and then after that the dress part as gardevoir so gar. Galgar.
@christopherbennett58582 жыл бұрын
Great list. Will say that I’d put Maushold as an honourable mention just for making me laugh.
@CashoutRenny2242 жыл бұрын
Underrated opinion even tho it doesn’t have regenerator I think orthworm is the better shed tail-er because since he sometimes slower you can successfully have your next Pokémon keep the substitute. For example since you’re fast with cyclizar, if you use shed tail, the opposing Pokémon could be using an attacking move so when you send out the next Pokémon they would basically have no subs. With a slower and bulkier shed tailer the next Pokémon can hold the shed tail for another move
@nathanbrown12932 жыл бұрын
But you would still take damage and what of you lose below 50 hp?
@andersgalterudhgda62262 жыл бұрын
Am i the only one who is a bit shocked to not see annihilape? He was probably one of the next mons to come in honorable mention lol
@wilfordbrimley6892 жыл бұрын
He also put chi yu as an honorable mention. This list is either old or he has no grasp of the meta
@AuraPhotonReality2 жыл бұрын
Imagine Houndstone with Supreme Overlord ability
@arkavalon53472 жыл бұрын
Maybe find a way to use Skill Swap with it.
@AuraPhotonReality2 жыл бұрын
@@arkavalon5347 Oh God if I manage to pull that off in a double battle it would be over but it may not work as all you would have to do is eliminate the Houndstone first
@venomgaming70142 жыл бұрын
*pay your last respects*
@colewatson48302 жыл бұрын
Baxcaliber would be my #1 because it has access to Dragon Dance and it's signature move, Glaive Rush, hits really hard!
@attilaszanto22752 жыл бұрын
About Gholdengo blocking Defog and Rapid Spin, it also blocks Glimmora's signature move Mortal Spin due to being a steel-type. I don't know if that's too relevant, but still.
@raedraconis2 жыл бұрын
I would add Maushold with loaded dice. Population Bomb is an INSANE move, even with the relatively low base attack.
@ProductionNobody2 жыл бұрын
Add technician and king stone and you kill almost anything, and if not it has an insane chance to flinch
@nobodyimportant71062 жыл бұрын
Doesn’t it do well with wise lens too or did I make that up
@hexbug1012 жыл бұрын
Wide lens is the item you want since each hit has its own chance to miss rather than having a fixed amount of hits every time you used it
@pokeadventures80422 жыл бұрын
Loaded dice doesn't affect pop bomb, it will always try to hit 10 times until it misses. I want to try a coil baton pass into Maushold with protective pads to avoid rocky helmet/rough skin
@raedraconis2 жыл бұрын
Good to know--I'll switch it up. Thanks!
@rikmetz47202 жыл бұрын
Covert cloak is a great item for Gholdengo, this makes it also immune to side effects from offensive moves. So this way the opponent can't lower your stats or give you status conditions in anyway possible. Gholdengo is better then aegislash, as ghost/steel.
@gabrielchee84702 жыл бұрын
Ok, thanks for the tip, now I can use gholdengo in singles w/o needing a murkrow to haze- hold it. If use make it rain, will I still self nerf?
@rikmetz47202 жыл бұрын
@@gabrielchee8470 yes, it still lowers its own stats with moves like make it rain, but it can learn nasty plot. So you can raise your sp atk stat again.
@your.freind.charlie35862 жыл бұрын
6:03 Roaring moon isn’t the only paradox Pokémon with a 590 base stat Iron Valiant also has a base 590 stat, just pointing it out there
@brockfowler64832 жыл бұрын
I forgot the Pokemon name but the new salt golem dude, is the best tank we've had in a long time
@colindion46112 жыл бұрын
Both misdreavus and delibird used to one of the weakest now and now they have become one of the most powerful pokemon in the game in the for, of flutter mane and iron bundle
@cosmiccat47062 жыл бұрын
Now we just need a top 10 underrated Pokemon from this gen.
@profesoroca25912 жыл бұрын
It is so interesting how different VCG and OU singles are played, Pokemon that shine in one, not necessary shine in the other
@entitledopinion50622 жыл бұрын
How so? Can you explain
@soappacket23422 жыл бұрын
@@entitledopinion5062 VGC is for double battles, and OU is for single battles. Pokemon with support moves are typically better in Doubles
@entitledopinion50622 жыл бұрын
@@soappacket2342 thank you so much for your response. Happy battling bro!
@PokéJolt502 жыл бұрын
Tinkaton should have, at least, gotten an honorable mention. Its dual typing of Fairy and Steel, Mold Breaker and Own Tempo, its signature move Gigaton Hammer, and some decent coverage make it pretty viable in my opinion.
@DarkShadowOblivion2 жыл бұрын
It's attack stat is actually pretty low and all that stuff is offensive. It does have a strong movepool for supporting in doubles though.
@tipiilegends54822 жыл бұрын
Tinkaton is sort of overrated I feel. It’s best offensive stat is it’s attack at a low base 75. Gigaton hammer is great but you can only use it once every 2 turns. It’s physical defence is low too. It’s speed is decent but not anything special. It’s typing is amazing but other than that it’s just got too low base stats. I tried using one in a playthrough team but it just couldn’t pull its weight against my other team members. I ended up dropping it for king-gambit
@PokéJolt502 жыл бұрын
@@tipiilegends5482 Really? I used one in my playthrough team, and it got me through quite a couple battles.
@tipiilegends54822 жыл бұрын
@@PokéJolt50 yeah it didn’t perform well for me. I had other Pokémon that were much better at dealing with the types it was good against. Baxcalibur for dragon types, Glimmora for Fairy types and then King-Gambit for the defences from the Steel typing
@PokéJolt502 жыл бұрын
@@tipiilegends5482 Huh. Funny because it performed pretty well for me and my team.
@jefferyoneill12 жыл бұрын
Great Tusk also gets Rapid Spin, so it can remove hazards while boosting it's speed
@dxrkyn16042 жыл бұрын
I'm so happy that my 2nd most fave pokemon got a new form (unexpectedly) and became one of the most broken in competitive
@flexwashington6382 жыл бұрын
We need a Porygon 3 that kicks ass
@DarkShadowOblivion2 жыл бұрын
You kinda undersold Gholdengo a bit. Glimmora has a signature move, Mortal Spin, that's just Rapid Spin but Poison Type. That type would let Glimmora actually spin on ghosts, but Gholdengo's Steel type blocks that too.
@WilliamX5000 Жыл бұрын
Kingambit, Corviknight and Chi-Yu, I can agree as honorable mentions. But not Glimmora, I feel like it's a pretty weak Pokemon, cause it's dual type's not really that good. And Cyclizar isn't a worthy Pokemon being in the Top 10 Strongest Gen 9 Pokemon either, cause Dragon/Normal doesn't work well, especially since Drampa was bad even without that dual type. Also, while Paradox Pokemon aren't Legendaries, they still can be as powerful as Legendaries in my opinion.
@SeatigerGaming2 жыл бұрын
What is the music play during number 4 intro
@lh34242 жыл бұрын
He might not be the strongest, but he's my favourite. His name is Orthworm (:
@MasterDr1pWay2 жыл бұрын
Skeledirge,Quaquaval and Meowscarada all left the chat crying
@zynsonel Жыл бұрын
whats a good item to use on Iron Valiant and good moves for it to use
@dr4ondestr0yer642 жыл бұрын
I honestly believe that Pawmot deserves an honorable mention or a spot on this list. Its typing of Electric/Fighting is quite a solid type combo with only weaknesses to Ground, Flying, Psychic and Fairy. In addition, it’s got a very solid base Attack and Speed while also getting some good coverage to the majority of its weaknesses except Fairy and even then, combining its Iron Fist ability with the Punching Glove to increase power of punching moves without making direct contact makes it a great sweeper if used right. The set I generally run is Close Combat, Thunder Punch, Ice Punch, and Fire Punch with Iron Fist + Punching Glove combined with 252 Atk and Speed with the Adamant Nature.
@Frost-ux8jx2 жыл бұрын
The only reason i say other wise is bc iron hands exists
@dr4ondestr0yer642 жыл бұрын
@@Frost-ux8jx I see where you’re coming from, but I’m saying without including Paradox Pokémon and during the main playthrough of the game when you’re not using Paradox Pokémon.
@3G00dboys412 жыл бұрын
Doesn't feel like speed is a big thing now. Orthworm will out speed alot in matches even having low speed Stat. Just seems like some builds aren't about crazy speed now obviously some are.
@oscarl2024 Жыл бұрын
Do you have an ev/move build video for these?
@Drazorka2 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to the best team video! :)
@adamcanty86032 жыл бұрын
How do you put chi-yu in honourable mention? It's broken af, did you even see it's ability as well
@EclipseCoD Жыл бұрын
Smogon even states on there site that there tier system isn't based on how good or strong a pokemon is, but on how much people use it.
@Biz_God2 жыл бұрын
My final team ended up being meowscarada corvinite Azumarill ampharos garchomp and iron treads
@empire02 жыл бұрын
Azumarill is a beast, i've never used it before but i'm glad I did
@Biz_God2 жыл бұрын
@@empire0 truly I didn't use ever either and thought why not this time. And it actually helped out a lot it ended being one of my starting mons along side iron treads and was basically my second starter
@jaimereupert42477 ай бұрын
But how good would these be for a hardcore nuzlocke of this game?
@skylerzunker70132 жыл бұрын
Can you do a top 10 raid Pokémon vid? Solo and co-op?
@cherrybarcia77122 жыл бұрын
Tbf most of the mons that are a good for solo are also good for co-op. Only difference between the 2 is that supports are also incredibly viable for co-op
@Seth60002 жыл бұрын
Orthworm is the Onix of Paldea
@joshmartin82432 жыл бұрын
I think terastallize is pronounced like a combination of "terra" and "crystalize"
@sammd711922 жыл бұрын
It is… I kept wondering why he was saying Tera stall lol
@prajwalpawar31032 жыл бұрын
Bruh I think it's the first time that top 10 Pokemon of a region doesn't even have its own pseudo
@45TRANSFORMERSFAN2 жыл бұрын
Who would have that a Delibird (or at least a Mon based on it) could ever reach one of the top spots...?
@r0h44n2 жыл бұрын
Quite surprised not to see Annihilape or Iron Valiant here
@turboshazed737010 ай бұрын
Top ten gen 9 pokemon from 10-1: Maushold, Tinkaton, Armorouge, Skeledirge, Celuredge, Kingambit, Meowscarada, Dondozo/Tatsugiri, Annihilape and Gholdengo
@redpikminfan Жыл бұрын
I DIDNT KNOW CYCLIER WAS A GOOD POKÉMON I I CAUGHT ONE WITHOUT KNOWING THANK U
@sineater4077 Жыл бұрын
I’m trying to find ghost type Pokémon and I have violet anyone know where I can find some ??
@kostasmichelis1410 Жыл бұрын
Scizor should be there as well it’s really op when you give it choice band and spam bullet punch
@tresweets88272 жыл бұрын
the pokemon in slot 6 (idk how to spell it) its abillity is the abillity that my swoobat card has but on my card its called unaware
@hermie06002 жыл бұрын
Sadge that this is only singles cause it would have been funny to have seen Murkrow and Maushold on the list. With Maushold being # 11 on Gen 9 DOU usage and Murkrow at #19. Souce: Pikalytics Murkrow being the only Priority Tailwind setter with moves like Taunt for other support mons, Haze to remove stat changes of enemies and allys like Gholdengo and enemies like the famous Dondozo, Tatsugiri, Flamingo combo, and Foul Play to still deal good damage against physical attackers. Maushold with Wide Lens, Technician, and its high speed it can faint opponents even with its low 75 attack with Population Bomb which also goes against sash cause it hits multple times and it can also double as support with Follow Me, After You, Taunt, Encore, Charm, etc
@thedepressedfatguy40702 жыл бұрын
So can you make a video on the top 10 strongest that don't have legendaries or Paradox in them I really like the new Paradox Pokemon but I only do like in game stuff those feel a little too op for just in-game things
@q-miiproductions8782 жыл бұрын
Why does number 1’s title card have no music?
@gabrielchee84702 жыл бұрын
4:27 as much as I'd like to use them they'd be banished to Ubers eventually so I don't
@jorgechirinos19812 жыл бұрын
How do you spell the name of #1 in this Pokémon list?
@Azira_Amane2 жыл бұрын
Flutter Mane
@tonylunders25032 жыл бұрын
I was surprised that Iron Hands didn't make the list. It's an absolute tank and sweeper if you can max out It's attack then use belly drum and drain punch. I like it better than Miriadon.
@jonathanskwong4640 Жыл бұрын
I don't know how to get roaring moon in pokemon scarlet
@The_One_In_Black2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if there could be a method to get Houndstone Supreme Overlord.
@WolfmanArt2 жыл бұрын
I want to add Houndstone to my team!!
@roxannwinslow67302 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video on Pokemon who's evolution conditions you would change.
@kawaiicookii2 жыл бұрын
I gifted my friend my shiny Houndstone, don’t regret it since I want to use one but I do plan to get another one. It should be rather easy since they spawn literally EVERYWHERE.
@moorstring Жыл бұрын
As a first time Pokémon player, I could not keep up with this video. Very technical.
@rodolfoleon45382 жыл бұрын
I would add annihilape and maus hold
@brianpeppers82362 жыл бұрын
I got a roaring moon on a wonder trade only an hour or 2 into the game lol. I think I traded a lvl 8 psyduck lol
@enrique60152 жыл бұрын
I think espathra is strong pokemon with the ability opportunity and with special attack lumina crash lowers it's better special defense 2x it's a strong pokémon Speed 105 Special attack 101 Don't sleep on this. Pokémon I am new in comparative pokémon but I really like this one
@k2basior2 жыл бұрын
No Annihilape?
@ranger_lucis2 жыл бұрын
Says Roaring moon is the only paradox mon with 590 base stat total Iron Valiant be like: Don't I exist?
@shatteredsentient53212 жыл бұрын
Needed more research lol
@madpsycho6 Жыл бұрын
Smogon isn't a official platform, banning Pokémon that are good against the admins favourite Pokémon is the opposite of what the Pokémon company wanted.
@jeffinkhobar57112 жыл бұрын
I’ve read that Palafin Hero is banned in P Showdown.
@bluebloodroyalty80122 жыл бұрын
What does OU tier mean?
@PatriciusKotugFilms Жыл бұрын
The reason these games are so great is the amount of Gen 2 love they show.
@augustovidal98162 жыл бұрын
Roaring moon’s design is GOATED
@kyledesuza79582 жыл бұрын
This is a good list no lie but where is the best team list?
@veevendetta34482 жыл бұрын
Hmm....the 3 startera all have good Evolutions and gimmicks. Quaquaval with Moxie, 295 in Speed and Aqua Step with 325 Attack is deadly as is my Unaware Skeliderge with Torch Song, S. Ball, Thunder Fang and Earth Power or my Protean Meowscarada whose Speed it nearing 400 and its attack at 320. That's stronger than Ultra Beasts ffs lol. I think they could take out the Zacian's and Incineroar teams of yesterday even too.
@rasberrydefender19302 жыл бұрын
nice that you go over singles
@fishsohorny2 жыл бұрын
I don't play singles, but getting the perspective is cool
@tabletopnephilim4633 Жыл бұрын
What is OU?
@Beyondthebat89 Жыл бұрын
My party- If it looks dumb and is strong still aint gonna use it
@Seth60002 жыл бұрын
Last Respects ability reminds me of Dark Magician Girl recieving extra 300 attack points for each Dark Magician that went to the graveyard
@arielmccarthy48922 жыл бұрын
I want a scovallian no matter what!! I just want one, it's cute!!
@juniorthememe Жыл бұрын
My kingambit solos the entire academy ace tournament💀
@theawesomeman98212 жыл бұрын
Wish Legendaries and paradox Pokemon are allowed for VGC.
@richardvelez850 Жыл бұрын
I’m mad. Just traded my shiny level 100 flutter mane for a shiny froakie 😭
@Boshek2019 Жыл бұрын
Does anyone use Dragalge here? Is he good?
@zaneheaston82542 жыл бұрын
And now Paradox Pokémon are banned, you are going to have to redo the list
@AliceStClair-lq3zp Жыл бұрын
Tera stall?
@austinfriley34802 жыл бұрын
FYI iron valiant also has 590 BST
@MusicChick1992 жыл бұрын
Yeah poor guy didn't even get an honourable mention.
@elijahwheat48662 жыл бұрын
I thought roaring moon and iron valiant had same base stat total. Must have misspoke
@grandempress19472 жыл бұрын
They do. A little surprised Valiant got no mention at all
@sagemode68 ай бұрын
My stummy hurts
@borngaga952 жыл бұрын
I don't think ANY pokemon should be banned except Legendaries. If I'm going to win, I want to win against the strongest.
@OpheliaDuskElla2 жыл бұрын
All the chien pao i have fought none of them had sucker punch Against my anihlliape because it was faster than anihlliape but it wasnt because i put a scarf on it and it close combated chien pao to the next universe
@jamilespino16422 жыл бұрын
When I see you saying electric tera ruin pokemon I got curious if I could change tera types lol, went to google and it answered my question regarding tera chards lol, thanks
@felixnegron18882 жыл бұрын
Mystic: “Average speed being 100” Also Mystic: “Great speed at 85” Hmmmm I smell bs