Top 10 WORST Animation Art Tropes (And I Draw Them All) || SPEEDPAINT + COMMENTARY

[@umbranigra9871]

Two of my nitpicks are: - A character shoves a minuscule crumb of bread into their mouth, but their cheeks swell like they have just eaten a whole Bic Mac and they even chew with difficulty. - A character like Donald Duck, who only wears a t-shirt, but when he is naked he covers his crotch instead.

[@ArticusIcecream]

God i hate the second one sm

[@DreamyAileen]

10:30 There actually _is_ a reason for this one besides "laziness". In 2D animated works, the backgrounds are usually painted by a different team than character animation. Since TV productions are especially limited on time and money, everyone's work is simplified as much as possible -- which for character animators is a clean flatly-colored style that's relatively easy to keep on-model, while for background illustrators it's a quick and not-very-refined painted style. As a result there's almost always some stylistic discrepancy between the characters and the background of a scene. Making matters even worse is that even though both teams work off the same concept art and storyboards, they often don't have direct access to the other team's work. To use the screenshot at 10:40 as an example, the backgrounds team likely couldn't just look at the character animation team's work to match the stuffed animals in the background to the one Steven interacts with; depending on how tight the production timeline is they might not have seen it until after the final cut of the episode was locked in.

[@lilaniloxi]

Oh wow that's actually pretty interesting! I hadn't connected the different teams of artists being responsible for this kind of thing as being the root cause of it but it does seem pretty obvious now that you've pointed it out to me 😅

[@justuseodysee7348]

This was most pronounced in the old Tom and Jerry cartoons. You could easily see which object characters are going to interact with way before it happened

[@bobfromanimalcrossing6754]

It frustrates me when people talk about this cause they don’t understand that its not lazy its just how the animation pipeline works

[@SplendidSneb]

As someone who works in Animation as a lead BG painter, you've perfectly expressed exactly what I wanted to comment here. I was actually rumbled to be more or less called lazy for something that is done intentionally to make the animation as a whole work, and not as some kind of corner cutting move, because when Celestia calls the background a prop it's clearly meant as a dig, but that's literally what it is, a prop team completely separate to both the animation and background team are the ones who design these objects. As they often need to be made in a way that a character can interact with, hence leaving the specific bear (in this example) looking different from the rest of the other stuffed animals. The alternative would have been to have the prop team draw the entire pile of stuffed animals with the bold black outline, which goes against the overall style of the show, or to have the prop reworked by the animation team to look like the BG, which would not only be more time consuming and expensive due to the complexity (from an animation standpoint) of the visual style (the disjointed lines, the colour fill that extends past the lines etc) it just wouldn't look good. Steven holding the bear only to have his skin show through the gaps in the bear prop would grab your attention in a bad way. And that's not even touching on client revisions that might cause the prop to be changed half way through the production, meaning that more simplistic designs work better in that regard as well. tl;dr there are reasons this is done on purpose, and it is not because the viewer is 'supposed to pay attention' to a certain object. And it is ABSOLUTELY not done to be lazy.

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

It's so storyboarders and animators know damn well what's supposed to be animated.

[@simply.marta.mp3]

one of my biggest gripes is how sometimes a male animal will look like a normal animal but the female one will have an accentuated waist, boobs, unrealistically long eyelashes and maybe in some cases even make up

[@lagopusvulpuz1571]

Why tho? Many times the males are walking torsos with giant arms and hands (y know exaggerated masculine features) but people only complain about the girls. For me it is about balance. Depends how both sexes look.

[@Zapadozine]

@@lagopusvulpuz1571 true, but it seems to me that more often than not this only happens to female creatures

[@Zapadozine]

if they're so insistent on making it clear that that animal is a female, they should just add eyelashes. There's no need to be so creepy about it

[@Vileplume87]

I hate when I see a nerdy, lanky, socially awkward guy character that I like a lot suddenly become an "attractive" man with abs and a chiseled jaw line and NO GLASSES THE REST WOULD BE ALMOST OK IF YOU JUST KEEP THE GLASSES PLEASEEEEEE (The one exception to this trope I've seen is Milo from Atlantis: The Lost Empire who stayed his nerdy lanky self throughout the movie and *still* got the girl in the end I love him he is best boy)

[@masterjunko]

FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE TO REMEMBERS THAT MOVIE! He did the nerdy guys so much justice

[@Vileplume87]

@@masterjunko fr

[@prowolf633]

That trope is why the Princess Diaries is a hideous movie because of that makeover she was forced to keep

[@gailasprey7787]

I agree Milo is best boy.

[@misterboxhead3045]

Clark kent?

[@n00bplayer72]

I think the more egregious variant of the "Child looks exactly like parent" trope is when you have an interracial/inter-species couple and the children then look exactly like one parent and not a fusion of both. ie: In Treasure Planet, a Dog man marries a Cat girl and then their sons look like dogs while their daughters look like cats.

[@Jade_Bunbun]

i thought they were the same species, no?

[@ratticusmaximus3710]

​@@Jade_Bunbunyou thought cats and dogs were the same species?

[@Jade_Bunbun]

@@ratticusmaximus3710 cats and dogs, obviously not, two fictional characters who have children together, why wouldnt i think they're the same species. also just looked it up, it looks like the treasure planet video game hints that they are the same species, and since they have kids and we have no evidence for them NOT being the same species, i think its safe to say they are the same species

[@ratticusmaximus3710]

@@Jade_Bunbun OOOH I THOUGHT YOU MEANT IRL CATS AND DOGS IM SO STUPID LMAOOO

[@cloudeddaze9502]

Yeah the dog guy and cat lady are the same species in treasure planet, they just have extreme sexual dimorphism

[@laureldreams4108]

The unieye on Sonic doesnt really annoy me because, well Sonic, Amy, Tails, theyre animals yes, but they are also ALIENS. So i just think that their species evolved differently to us and thats it. Makes it so simple really.

[@iamkillia6431]

They’re aliens??? how did i not know this...

[@laureldreams4108]

Technically? yep@@iamkillia6431

[@uhohkittykitty]

@@iamkillia6431 technically they kind of are in the movies i think??

[@Mike-mf3ed]

@@uhohkittykitty and in Sonic X and there’s no humans in the games since Unleashed (except the Egg himself)

[@juneru2]

It's funny you say that 'cause in the Sonic movies he's explicitly acknowledged as an alien, but that version of Sonic is like the one design of him where his eyes are actually separate.

[@EvieRawlings]

8:51 THANK YOU! Unless them looking like one their parents is an important plot point (like Harry Potter looking so much like James that Snape is unable to see Lilly in him and it adds to his mistreatment of Harry) I HATE this trope. Genetics is fascinating and I like it when a child looks like a blend of their parents.

[@Larsen_illustrations]

Yeah i personally like when a child looks like their parent, but when they still look like their own person, like glam and dee from metal family, idk i think it's nice

[@ExtremeWreck]

To me that kind of stuff looks like a parent who treats their kids like puppets to play with than actual human beings. It may not be like that all the time, but it can be a sign of an abusive parent.

[@AlmostMilk.]

I agree but i'd like to add that its also cool when it's something that not every charecter has. Like, if it's a kids show and we get three familys and theres just, one kid who looks identical to their mom. Its funny then

[@EvieRawlings]

@@AlmostMilk. That's also more akin to real life. I myself am pretty much a gender bent version of my father while my siblings look like a more blended version of our folks. It's not impossibe for a child to favor one parent over another but when all in the kids only favor one parent! I hate it when the one the daughter is just a mini-mom and the son is a just a mini-dad.

[@elsinaattheworkshop]

I like how this was handled in encanto, if you look closely, Isabella and (young) Abuela Alma look incredibly alike yet incredibly different at the same time. I alost didn't notice their similarities until someone pointed it out. Then I couldn't unsee it.

[@sillycookie]

The conjoined eyes come from rubberhose style and how they'd draw animal characters (check out 1930s mickey mouse) and it happened to stick with Sonic to this day. I personally think its a cool design that survived to modern day, but i totally get why people would find it rather creepy lmao

[@pochichi67]

true true, but i honestly find it scary when i see the conjoined eyes on a human like its cute on an animal but something about the conjoined eyes on humans dont look quite right

[@Axel_metal]

I love conjoined eyes

[@eduardoribeiro8378]

You should search the brazilian comics "Monica's Gang" 😂

[@SunSh1neFN]

​@@pochichi67 it's cause we have a really big nose bridge. The most sticks out from the forehead downward acting like a partition for the eyes. Filling that up with eye looks wierd

[@Mahawww]

The "interactable item" looking different is usually because the background is drawn in one style while the animation is drawn in another style so the the item is drawn in the animation style because it will be animated. I learned about it way back in the Tom and Jerry days, with cell animation it was basically a necessity. It was a fun thing to notice for an animation fan like myself as a kid. Fun video! I'd love to see more silly videos like this in the future especially if they give you a break from more serious videos.

[@33pandagamer]

As a Sonic fan, I've stared at Sonic characters for so long that I don't find them weird looking. Even the way they wink looks normal to me.

[@0OB08O]

2 tropes that I really dislike are: 1- when characters have asymmetrical designs and when they face another direction their design gets flipped (specially when it comes to hair). I know it helps with recognizing silhouette but I don't care. 2- cc chests no matter how loose and/or thick the clothing is. That's simply not how a fabric works on a woman's chest and seeing women (or worse: girls) drawn like this in animated shows/movies that were supposed to be for children just makes me uncomfortable since I was a child even when famous paintings with nude women didn't.

[@prueemmanuelle6774]

That is literally MLP and Loud House respectively

[@lightofwisdom17]

The main part about asymmetry characters is the fact that they are asymmetry. The fact that their design just flip depend on their facing direction kinda defeat its purpose. Like how hard it is to draw one more 3/4 view and one more side view into the character sheet.

[@essycogany2738]

As a Sonic fan I respect your opinion about the eyes. Even though I don’t agree with you, I personally think it’s fun to have different views on something we both love. Art! It gives us a way to see different sides of the coin. I enjoyed the video all the same. ❤️🎨🖌️

[@yay29823]

As a Sonic fan I have to say that I've always hated the eyes. Why are the eyes like that bro, it's so weird 😭

[@Dragmiredraws]

On 4. South Park actually did a joke where a police sketch artist sketched the kids and showed them to their parents, it was hyper realistic, and the parents agreed they looked like their kids, but that they see horribly drawn 🤣🤣🤣 6. I’ve seen kids who look just like a single,e parent, it’s freaky!! >_> 7. JUSTICE JAW CELESTIA IS QUEEN! AND I WISH TO SEE MORE OF HER!!!

[@JJ_Animation86]

I remember having that problem with animal size when I was watching Rango. How can they have the Hawk and Rattlesnake be their natural big height, but have the other animals all be the same height? The movie is great, but that just bothered me a bit when watching it.

[@lady_apocalypse178]

8:50 One that pisses me of to ab unrealistic point is were the parents look like siblings, ive seen it happen in shows that focus on the kids and just make the entire family look like them but its just sooo weird

[@monoex]

I mostly agree - Although it's tough to hear the Sonic criticism as a huge fan (and fan-artist), you have a point. His eyes can cause a lot of confusion, even official Sonic media doesn't know what they're doing with them sometimes... They're controversial, but so iconic to Sonic that I can't imagine removing them from his game design entirely. I do agree with your wife on the animal one being a bit nitpicky, lol. Especially in fantasy settings. But I get where you're coming from, and i respect your opinion. :)

[@essycogany2738]

I agree with you! At least we have Movie!Sonic who is wonderfully designed with the separate eyes and looks amazing. I don’t think it’d EVER work for mainline Sonic though.

[@marikothecheetah9342]

@@essycogany2738 Which has been redesigned after fans uproar about a shitty design :D

[@biboybunny]

I'd love to see a makeover scene where the character in question is considered hotter. Not by how they look now compared to before. But by how much better they feel about themselves now compared to before. Especially if their now isn't conventionally attractive or better if it's less conventionally attractive than before. Like maybe wearing a hoodie and sweatpants makes them feel more confident in themselves and that confidence makes them more attractive.

[@Yuinemon]

I feel bullied by the Sonic one, as a Sonic fan

[@Yuinemon]

They aren't human so it makes sense they look different and it works well in other Sonic media, like Prime, I'm protective over Sonic as the style means a lot to me

[@quit3118]

@@YuinemonAs a Sonic fan myself, I agree

[@G4ckp0id]

Same😭

[@Yuinemon]

Omg, like the IDW comics are a great example of how the style done, though it's not amination, it's a great way to see how the style is done well, I'm defensive about this because I'm autistic, it's my hyper fixation ;~;

[@quit3118]

@@Yuinemon I heavily agree, I got back to loving Sonic and couldn’t stop loving it Hell I’m doing Sonic content as well with my other content And I don't get why it’s a complaint, it’s a stylistic choice, it’s not supposed to make sense And I’m also very defensive about it to lol

[@MR.Foxtrot-2008]

My pet peeve is when Anthro Animal characters will have the main character not wear pants or clothes, then the female or other animal characters will randomly be fully dressed. Thus, making the MC look very naked which can be uncomfortable.

[@smokeyoreo6032]

I completely agree with you

[@IkaKikuXd]

​@@smokeyoreo6032 me to, for example: Sally Acorn redesign just because fans doesn't like she being naked, when Sonic is always naked too and other male characters!

[@simeontoastcrunch9934]

“The character can’t go from lanky to super buff in live action….” Captain America.

[@LightEdgeYT]

Lmao they definitely injected the soldier serum into the actor

[@raechuu4887]

i find the single eye thing to only be uncomfortable when you think on it too hard, but as a sonic fan i think theyre VERY fun to draw. it brings a unique level of expression to the face on sonic characters. i concede that the single eye looks bad on any character that isnt a talking animal. like the human nose under the single eye.... very odd

[@justuseodysee7348]

I think the square chins came from the animation budget issues - they're really simple to draw, and the savings stack with each frame.

[@slimcognito383]

What's funny is the conjoined eyes is not only a sonic thing sonic do that but another childhood franchise I loved Club Penguin does that too. It's to a slightly lesser degree yet it still does it

[@Chaizin]

I personally agree with your list. These tropes appeared so much in the 2000s and 2010s which were the eras of animation I grew up with. I have noticed a few newer shows improve on these tropes. One of my favorites being The Owl House!

[@marikothecheetah9342]

Go and watch 80s and 90s animations, seriously. Visually - masterpieces. Story-wise - depends but still much better than new productions.

[@Starsandstardust]

I genuinely totally agree with everything you just said, but for the conjoined eyes, sonic is the ONLY exception. It's actually the only animated show that has these types of eyes and just can't be changed for trademark reasons--- YOU SAW WHAT HAPPENED IN THE FIRST SONIC LIVE ACTION-

[@33pandagamer]

10:56 Sometimes this happens because the background is one painted image, and so to make the object interactive for the characters, they have to draw that object on a different layer. And in some cases where the background and characters are drawn in different styles, the have to draw the object in the same style as the characters so the object doesn't look weird in their hands. This is why sometimes the object looks out of place among the other objects in the background.

[@KoalaOwlPaws]

Sees Sonic: Oh no...my CHILDHOOD. 😭 I can already tell how good this video is going to be.

[@Amanecer458]

8:41 that happened to me in beastars, like one theme is haru being small and weak, but then they show a parrot at the same high as other animals and a squirrel with a realistic size

[@andreacastillo5030]

In that case is even worst because it affects a literal plot point

[@supermaximglitchy1]

“Bean-heads are considered lazy” meanwhile circle-heads exist without the same complaints

[@dragonsuneoflegend]

One that always bugs me is how in animal focused animation you make the male have like a bigger/thicker muzzle and make them look larger/thicker with smaller, 'hard' eyes where the female is small, petite and has a smaller/thinner muzzle/snout with bigger 'cuter' eyes. Half the time they don't even look like the same species.

[@lerdherlix6657]

actually the family resemblance thing is real. a lot of the men in my family look *very* similar at the same ages, even on different sides of my family. i look especially identical to my mom's father, i literally thought it was me when i first saw a picture of him at my age and i was very confused. it also crushed any wondering if i was adopted or not.

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

Yep

[@AnixDraws93]

You’re absolutely valid for these takes and while i personally disagree on some of these, I don’t hold that against you personally or anything. I personally adore the massive chins for muscled boyos (I find it charming tho maybe it’s more nostalgia for the Bruce Tim arts of Batman: the animated series, Superman: TAS and Justice League) and I love Sonic’s Uni-eye. It’s just a vibe. One trope I’ve always disliked in animation is the overly realistic animations for cartoony characters. It’s a reason I could never get into shows like Ren and Stimpy. Something about the way that show in particular animates freaks me out.

[@zkme2734]

it's because is gross out humor

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

It's done for gross out humor

[@SleepyArt_SX]

You forgot one, characters Suspiciously getting taller when they get shredded. (Even when they're adults)

[@Solesteam]

I personally *_despise_* when shows do fake pixel art, where it's the same cartoon style but the decided to go for cubism and call it pixels.

[@matheuspires2462]

Yeah it kinda suck If only animating programs had pixel brushes so it could be easier so people wouldn't need to do that or export each individually sprite into a animation

[@Solesteam]

@@matheuspires2462 I'd be somewhat okay with it if they at-least didn't outline the shapes and kept them near uniform, I'd be hard to realize what they did... But they go as far as putting a tiny rectangle floating around in a larger one. And to be fair, The Amazing World Of Gumball did it right... (ok they have 50 different art-styles going on in that series but still...)

[@33pandagamer]

I also agree with your third trope. I find it creepy when the eyes pop out of their head or when their heart nearly escapes their bodies.

[@misterboxhead3045]

Imagine watching looney tunes and you get jumpscared by the slapstick humor

[@sticklypi]

Duchess Celestia : “When a character looks so much like one of their parents that they’re practically identical.” Me looking exactly like my mom : 🧍

[@PGbutalsofourteenplus]

It’s not just looking a little identical it’s when you’re just clones or Cardan copies of each other

[@sticklypi]

No but I’m legit a clone of my mom. I look exactly like she did when she was younger, like down to a T lol

[@PGbutalsofourteenplus]

@@sticklypi I hear people say that lot , It reminds me of the other trope where girls ALWAYS look like their mommies and boys look like their Daddies

[@fangirldreamer748]

Sarada and Sasuke

[@Solesteam]

10:40 That's less of an art style choice and more of a not wanting to put too much detail into something you're gonna have to draw moving around later thing... which in that case, just make the entire pile simplified, saves time and makes things look less out of place.

[@orangeee-]

1) I agree with this. It's SO over hated that *I* have begun to hate it. 2) THIS. I've never liked this and it's made me VERY uncomfortable every time I've seen this. Like- my brain doesn't fully process what I'm looking at. How does this work??? How did this come to be?? Was it a single eye that malfunctioned during mitosis?? 3) This can work with certain art styles, but... usually, no. 4) I've... never seen this. Have I just been living under a rock? 5) Never thought about this, never will. This just feels OVERLY picky to me. Unless the mouse is way larger than a dog, for example. 6) Gosh... I've never seen this either! 7) Yaoi art style?? I mean- yaoi art style? I mean- 8) Reminds me of... what was the show called again? High Guardian Herb? No- Spice. The interactable objects are clear. I mean... this can be used effectively and ineffectively, depending on the execution. 9) What...? This EXISTS?! 10) Ah yes, when you take of your (presumably prescription) glasses, you instantly become 10x prettier! ... NO!! I agree with your point fullheartedly.

[@marikothecheetah9342]

Yaoi art style - chisel jaws, really? XD Really? XD More like enormously big hands, but defo not chisel chins. They have long faces yeah, but not profoundly marked chins.

[@makamiuseless1954]

One of my biggest pet-peeves in Western cartoon is when any animal or non-human characters just run around naked. Like... Sure they have fur but... Wha-? It gets even worse when side characters who are also non-human show up and DO wear clothes, by that only the main character is naked and I'm not okay with it.

[@misterboxhead3045]

Alot of character who doesn't wear clothes are have the most iconic and probably design btw, sonic is an exemple of that

[@SamuelSEdme]

Not much of a pet peeve to me, but it's really funny when non-human characters wear a shirt, but no pants or they do own clothes which are seldom used.

[@PGbutalsofourteenplus]

Maybe it’s cause they main is supposed to be lewdArt Bait

[@clarissat867]

One of mine is when an old person is automatically small like a child. Like, I saw it in frieren , and I was like " no ? That's not how it's work ????" Yeah you get smaller, but you don't get THAT SMALL .

[@gumballfan13]

One thing that kinda bothers me is when it comes to anthro animals, the world isn't consistent with the dress code. Sometimes males will wear no clothes or just a shirt whereas females always have a full outfit. Gumball actually poked fun at this in an episode where they acknowledge that the universe's dress code makes no sense. And I love Ducktales, but I think some of those birds should be wearing pants. At least with Bluey, most characters don't wear clothes unless they have some sort of profession, like being a doctor or working at a store. Also, another thing, drawing animal characters without tails is something that bothers me as well.

[@someoneontheinternet580]

Chapters 3:18 - 1. The Bean Head Trope 4:34 - 2. Conjoined Eyes 5:32 - 3. Bulging Stuff 6:46 - 4. Fourth-Wall Breaking Portrait 7:37 - 5. Animals Not Drawn to Scale 8:47 - 6. Overwhelming Family Resemblance 9:43 - 7. Giant Chin Trope 10:29 - 8. Highlighted Objects in Scenes 11:19 - 9. Height Gain with Weight Gain 12:05 - 10. Conventional Makeover

[@Hatsune-Miku_Fan]

5:33 I'm actually a huge fan of this anyone else?? I love it when it's this over exaggerated

[@alodloo8396]

Yeah, same here. I guess I understand her not liking the trope but I think it depends it looks better with different styles of animation, something more looney-er and wackier will fit better for this trope instead of something more closer to human anatomy. If that makes sense 😅

[@Saga_Anserum]

12:33 There is exactly one irl example I've seen of someone undergoing the "classic makeover" (ie taking off his glasses) and instantly looking like a model. But his glasses had some utterly ridiculous magnification. Might actually be something interesting to try in a story

[@rattersworld1016]

OMG THE FAMILY RESEMBLANCE THING THOUGH LIKE, SOMEONE'S GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT GRANDPA LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE THEM I SEE IT ALL THE TIME

[@isabellal2840]

ngl the bulging trope is soo funny in your pretty cute style

[@-themightymittens-]

My little pony (mainly one of the older series) did that "mini-me" thing and it bothered me when I was younger. They didn't even have names, they were just called "baby [insert mother's name here]"

[@Linnzy]

I grew up with the original Mlps and my thought is that they made the ponies toys and then they thought they would be making the same ponies but as babies, not meant to be mothe rand baby initally but had to make it so when the cartoon came to make it make sense . But that is just my (bad) theory. I don't know if this was the case or not. But it sure became a thrope. Just look at for example Totally Spies, the girls look like younger copies of their moms.

[@V_MC]

When it comes to animation, the very first idea of it was "how far can we push it's limits?" Therefore absolutely discarding anatomy in the process. That's why rubberhose cartoon characters had limbs that could bend in unnatural ways, mold their bodies into whatever the animation calls for and exaggerate both the characters and the environment around them. Almost like they're made out of the ink they were drawn with, that probably wasn't intentional (making them canonically out of ink i mean) but it's a nice idea. But i get why the exaggerated movements can look creepy or unsettling, especially when applied to human characters that usually have normal anatomy- i don't like that trope either lol Oh and fun fact, a lot of people who make psychological horror use that very same trope to *intentionally* make their art creepy and unsettling! Like for example, The Mandela Catalogue. They stretch the facial and body features of a human looking character to freak out the brain. Interesting stuff.

[@mo7311]

I LOVE the giant "justice chin" 😂 maybe bc I mostly watch comedy anime and they're always the funniest

[@AlmostMilk.]

9:07 Me and my siblings are all examples of this. We each look identical to the parent of our same gender. (Ie. My brothers look like their dads and i look like my mom to the point where we cant tell old pictures of us apart) its unnerving. Also me & my mom got our nails done and this lady (who didnt work there) asked if we were mother and daughter 😭💀💀😭

[@idakarlsson5172]

"The Donald Duck"; a character who normally doesn't wear pants for some unknown reason needs to cower up when his shirt comes off. Closely related to "the Moomin", who normally has no clothes, but for some reason feel the need to use swimwear or a towel 😅 no hate, just confusion and brain tilting.

[@dm_katy2263]

8:53 Welp, I guess I'm a bad animation trope then cause I legit look EXACTLY my like my mom when she was my age, just more chub 💀

[@thehouseofflickermouse9641]

I absolutely lost my mind at the 'hero chin' xD Could not stop laughing, and then took a long hard look at how many of my own characters possess the chin or the jawline, lol.

[@InWinds]

Having a prop stand out from the background isn't really to have the viewer to focus on it- it's just an animation thing. A flat colored character picking up an object with similar lines & shading to the background would look off. It's also just easier on the animators all around

[@lilhedgehog8576]

3:55 why can’t people just agree that things can be both ways! the bean head can be cute, but people can also be tired of seeing it because how simple and overused it is, you can feel both ways I feel both ways, so why do people have to fight about it? Why can’t they either agree to disagree or agree that it can be both? Dammit people! Will we ever learn!

[@robxholicfoxyfan8552]

What about if Mordecai was a Cassowary? That's a bigger bird than a raccoon by far.

[@vibrantgleam]

Oh my god I hate the glow up ones so much, not just bc it's stupid but also it feels disgusting in a way too. And I also hate the parents looking way too identical to their children (I see this one way too many times and it drives me INSANE.)

[@TheSparklyMisfit]

As a Sonic fan? I'm in the same boat, Idk what it is, but it just feels wrong to me and I try to actively avoid drawing it lol

[@birdywren5277]

This was such a funny video to watch lmao "I don't think it's a very hot take to say that eyes should be separate" is going to live in my head for the next 3 years. Love this video Celestia! 💞

[@cordyceps7531]

A Bugs Life is the most egregious example of animal proportions imo. There are many examples but primarily, the ants should be way smaller than every other character in the film. I may not care for the movie ANTZ, but it at least got the bug size scale on point with the wasps being giants compared to the ants.

[@peridotpockygod.9080]

My biggest art pet peeve. Is when the eyes stay open and then the pupils close up with a "U" shape or. ">

[@elisaelisaross]

About the one element drawn differently than the resto of the background because the character is going to interacti with it, I think it's an issue of technical tools. No idea how it works now with digital animation, but with traditional animation mobile objects are usuall drawn on differen sheets, often even by different artists, than non-mobile elements. The brackground can be only one drawing, but if in that background there is an object that will do something on scene, that object needs to be drawn doing its thing separately than the background.

[@sleeplessstar]

“Impossibly strong family resemblance” as I’m drawing my father/son OCs who look incredibly similar to the point of passing as each other but older/younger 💀 That got a good laugh out of me though lmao

[@indasme]

Nah same though after seeing this videos and the comments I’m just like, “ya’ll would REALLY hate my characters cause of a lot of them alike”

[@sleeplessstar]

@@indasme my guy only has one parent and it’s his father, of course he would try to imitate his dad lol. All my characters are self indulgent, but it’s really interesting because I genuinely didn’t know that this was a trope people dislike! Oh well ;P

[@Solesteam]

4:50 As a Sonic fan, my Sonic OC has separate eyes because cyclopsism is odd out of Sonic context, and I can't draw it without it looking cursed for the life of me.

[@PGbutalsofourteenplus]

8:01 me When Anthropomorphic animals are too humanoid in character (personality) world-making and designs (When I first made this was talking about when they regardless of gender have grossly over the top humanoid designs)😳😥😨😤😤

[@PGbutalsofourteenplus]

@ObiAlmightyagree that it’s pretty misogynistic and absurd(the bad of absurd) not sexism cause sex and gender aren’t the same thing

[@_-insertname-_]

9:00 Me who’s so identical to a parent that my own family members keep needing to hear my voice to realize who they‘re talking to, and even that sometimes falls flat: 🧍‍♂️

[@norsewings9018]

About the kid looking identical to one of their parents - what about their parents looking like siblings?

[@itsdantaylor]

12:35 That reminds me of Chou Chou from Naruto/Boruto. Initially she was much more stockier to show she was part of the Akimichi family (who are all large people and use that for combat) in chapter 700 of Naruto but then when Boruto started she suddenly was SUPER self conscious about her weight despite the fact she was much taller and slimmer. Only recently after a 2 year time skip has she seemingly reverted back to a larger body type.......only downside is she's now wearing more revealing clothing but that seems to be a issue with most time skip female characters in Boruto.

[@lunayen]

The extra weight = extra height trope does have a bit of fatphobia attached to it, because it means that they can draw almost the same person with slightly wider proportions but don't have to truly draw the rolls. The extra height balances the weight gain.

[@chamila249]

4:42 I respect your opinion regardless of what I’m about to say, but the human characters in Sonic (or any other cartoon for that matter) has never been seen with the connected eyes. From what I’ve watched at least. I’m also pretty sure Sonic is suppose to be an alien as well as an anthro. 5:21 I appreciate this point and I’ll also add that most Sonic characters are anthropomorphic animals which already breaks the laws of logic and things that make sense. Heck, cartoons are the DEFINITION of not making sense with exaggerated character designs and expressions. You could argue animals shouldn’t have giant hands, eyes, and feet like most western (and sometimes anime) animals do. Not everyone has to like this art style by any means. We all have our opinions and should respect them. I just wanted to make a point.

[@quit3118]

I agree, hell I never complained, I loved it for years, as a Sonic fan today, I never found the issue, cartoons are not always supposed to have actuate realistic features and logic Reasons why I love cartoons

[@Anonymous-bi5pv]

i really miss the Planet Mobius lore that's been lost/abandoned in recent Sonic canon. the plot is so much cooler when you really play up the supernatural/"alien" elements of Sonic & the other furry gremlin creatures (affectionate). it always felt wrong to me to integrate humans & earth into the plot and just treat it as "normal" yknow?

[@vernowietsch]

Adding to the family resemblance thing: when the designs of the children look too "calculated", especially if its this "Standart" family model with mother, father, daughter and son. Often times, if the parents are visually distinct, the daughter will look exactly like the mother while the son will look exactly like the dad. Alternatively, the daughter might get everything from the father and the son might get everything from the mother. There's little to no combining of traits going on, and recessive genes are completely out of consideration. Sometimes mixing two pieces of information (like "light hair" and "dark hair") will combine into a third thing ("middle" hair? No idea how to say it), the child doesn't always just have to have the exact same color as either of their parents. Mildly annoys me

[@suzanneclark7706]

Idk why but the glow up trope just seems primed for accidental racism

[@rexbot2749]

I'll be real, I don't have the eye for art like artists do (actually had a situation a few days ago were I couldn't identify an image was AI art even though there was an obvious tell) and I don't have many strong opinions on art (except for the standard AI art bad). but this channel that I randomly stumbled upon is cool because I don't feel insulted for not understanding an art trope and you explain it in a way that's easy to understand. good video

[@Solesteam]

9:00 I wish Goku *atleast* had the hairstlye difference with his father. I typically when making a character's parent copy Eye and Skin for one child and the Hair and Nose for the other (I rarely draw ears so it goes to whoever) then I do the inverse from the other parent, if it's a single child, it's einie menie miny moe.

[@misterboxhead3045]

Bardock is very different from goku tho

[@Solesteam]

@@misterboxhead3045 Oh but of course he had a scar that makes him an entirely different looking person. Unrecognizable.

[@maplechei]

I was stalking ur KZbin and then you uploaded 😭😭😭 todays my lucky day

[@maplechei]

The conjoined eyes only look good on sonic nothing else

[@LegendaryNyanBeastCabbageKaya]

I 100% agree with the family resemblence one it triggers me when ever i see it but what triggers me even more is when the characters look egsactly the same in flashbacks especaly when U hav a 4 year old version of them have the exact same hair style.

[@jeiku5041]

10:30 This may be a remnant from the traditional animation days. Background pieces were normally more detailed except for something that was going to be moved or interacted with to save time. It's pretty obvious on shows like the original Scooby Doo.

[@graysonkp]

I LOVE GIANT CHINS YOU FIEND

[@valdelta8096]

for no 6, the one time you can have a child entirely identical to the parent is if that child is born from only one parent. (Like magic, mitosis etc, these can be done by one character in certain settings to give rise to an identical child.)

[@gamrgool4521]

Now look, I love the whole eye thing in Sonic. But I still want an explanation for how that works, but I just accepted that I might never get one.

[@spitfirebird]

9:09 when I draw related characters that are feather-stics (Meowstics combined with feathered dinosaurs) for my little universe I have created inside my mind, I actually make the characters from the same clade as each other. For example: Benson, a Stenonychosaurus feather-stic on the autism spectrum with Golden-Breasted Starling plumage, has a twin brother named Markis who has the same height and appearance as him aside from Amethyst Starling-like plumage, as well as Transistor, a Latenivenatrix who is colored like an Australian Magpie, and is the eldest sibling. Nea, a Zanabazar with selective mutism has Egyptian Vulture plumage, And then You have Beryl, a Byronosaurus feather-stic with secretarybird plumage and a digital pencil capable of creating objects to suit his needs. These characters’ dinosaur bases are all part of the same group among troodontids, Troodontinae, which is why I made them all siblings canonically.

[@Solesteam]

3:26 oh god... not the *_bean heads_* It works for people with squishy faces, but *_why does every cartoon network character have to have a bean head these days!?_*

[@Solesteam]

I love the style, but it's everywhere.... I'm swimming in beans!

[@1715apocalypse]

the only way the trope of "parents and kids/ancestors and descendants look way too similar" that i think can be excused is homestuck (i know homestuck isn't really animation but thats just what popped up in mind at first)

[@The_Oak_Boat]

The big chin opinion was the first time I've gotten mad at an option unironically in years

[@mustardgogurt98]

i hate when babies sometimes have weirdly large heads

[@masterjunko]

10:13 A trope I also hated in animation and even in real life were butt chins that came along with the chiseled jaw. I am so sorry to all of y'all but they just looked like someone didn't listen to their parents when running around the house and slipped and fell square on that one table corner they were always warning about. I lived for so long thinking "How could anyone find that attractive?? This must be a nation-wide comedic gag" I refused to believe it was a beauty staple 😭I'm sorry

[@soulgalaxywolf1024]

I agree with the transformation one is the most annoying (additionally, overweight characters being chibi , I hate it). The family resemblance is more "it would be more interesting if they actually blended the two together" then any annoyance. After that its either, "ok, you do you, I'm neutral about it." Or "I never noticed that, neat." Lol. The one I never seen in my life is the portrait made too realistically. I thought you were talking about when a chibi version of the character breaks the fourth wall to have an inner monologue or a 4th wall break, so i thought i had to throw hands (jk).

[@AHylianWarrior]

The animal one and using Regular Show as an example is a bit silly because Mordecai is just bird-shaped lol (he can't even fly) None of the characters in that show are what they look like, I mean one's a walking gumball machine

[@Kazeryuun]

It shouldn't have taken me longer than usual to realize it's Celestia in all of these tropes lmaooo

[@casterart]

I love hearing your nitpicky opinions and I agreed with most of the list tbh. These videos are always so much fun ♥

[@blueberiipie]

10:28 Therapist: Manly Celestia isn’t real she can’t hurt you Manly Celestia:

[@pijamaprince]

The connected sonic eyes always bothered me because I just find myself questioning the logic of that even though I know I shouldn’t.

[@seyspectra]

6:28 This doesn’t bother me thaaat much. Sure, it’s lazy, but at least those characters are closely related so it’s at least slightly explainable. What bothers me much more is if ROMANTIC PARTNERS look almost the same! That just makes me uncomfortable!

[@eclipsedmoon87]

6:37 i think the word Squick is what you're looking for. It just viscerally bugs you, but there's nothing objectively wrong with it, it's just very much not your cup of tea, and it squicks you out

[@rollflasher89]

6:46 Actually I can relate to this one but in a different way with superhero shows. One of the main reasons I disliked the art style of superhero comic books like Marvel and DC was because I always found it ugly how they frequently went for a realistic art style, because for me it clashed a lot with how some of their characters featured highly colored and stylized designs. In particular I remember not understading why people initially hated Spectacular Spider-Man's art style because one of the things I loved about it was the fact that Peter didn't have a realistic face. I always found it incredibly jarring and ugly to see Spider-Man take his very expressive mask off only to be drawn with a realistic manly face, it just felt ugly. I have a similar gripe with Metroid Prime. Apparently the fandom loves how Samus' face looks in Prime 1 and praise it a lot, but for me I just find her extremly ugly and I prefer a more ''anime'' looking Samus by a large margin. It's not even about conventional beauty, I just find her realistic face incredibly ugly when her power suit has such a stylized design, it feels ''off''. (And of course I felt that the Switch remaster just made it even worse by making that realistic face HD)

[@quangamershyguyyz7166]

That’s insane, and absurd. I don’t believe how you can find Spider-Man and Samus’ realistic faces ugly. That’s just wild that you find them so ugly. I genuinely don’t see how anyone can have a problem with them.

[@rollflasher89]

@@quangamershyguyyz7166 ...are you serious or joking? Anyway, for me it's the equivalent of looking at Son Goku with a realistic face, it reeks of uncanny valley for me. I can't understand the appeal of Prime!Samus, she looks like a generic 3D character you would find in a game like The Sims, it just doesn't feel like her. And with Spider-Man, Peter having a realistic face only feels natural in live-action, everywhere else it just feels boring and generic. I just prefer stylized character designs by a long shot.

[@sokunthyvong4695]

The thing with the parents and children looking identical someone else talked about it too 🙃

[@sokunthyvong4695]

Like her being picky about it was saying the kids looked to much like their parents and I get it 🤔🤷‍♀️

[@TamiaTheNerd]

Funny enough, I think the best time where an animated character was showing a picture of a realistic version of themselves was on Phineas and Ferb, where they just straight up showed a real life picture of Candace’s voice actress (Ashley Tisdale) 🤣🤣🤣 Plus what made it work was that Candace spent the whole episode being insecure about her looks.

[@Solesteam]

8:35 May I also remind you that bird is indisputably a *_bluebird_* a very itty bitty species of bird, they cannot possibly grow larger than a balled up fist, much less a RACOON. Now that you pointed this out, I cannot unknow and unsee this.

[@Creative_Calico]

I think Mordecai's actually a blue jay but either way your point still stands :)

[@tsrotmasftghhjkuujiou]

I think the conjoined eyes do suck, but I also think your reaction to it is due to you seeing the spheres on people's heads usually, the connected eyes have frightening implications on the underlying structure of their face

[@02_kay]

4:40 The thing about Sonic's conjoined eyelids is that it is inspired by 'rubberhose' art styles e.g. Felix the cat. And they aren't actually conjoined, they are two separate eyelids, being confirmed by Sega. Hope this clears this up!