Top 10 Worst Legendary Lord Defeat Traits | Total War Warhammer 3

[@KingOfMadCows]

Bonus vs Large/Infantry also gives a bonus to melee attack against that unit type. So +8 vs Large can increase damage a lot more than 8 by increasing hit chance. Fire resistance can be useful for regenerating Lords to reduce the fire weakness.

[@SonOfHashut]

Came here to say this. I also like it on Drazhoath just because if you face anything with fire damage after that he’s practically invincible

[@jobvermuyen5382]

Was just about to say the same. So many times it seems like if this guy doesnt know anything about the game Also, fire resistance means that enemies that deal fire damage deal 25% less damage to you. God why is this man making vids when he does not even know the mechanics. 25% fire resist is 25% ward save against enemies with fire

[@k3ng00ra]

Dude rly has no clue how resistances and bonuses work. AlsoI could name at least a dozen traits (all non army spell resistance traits for instance) that are worse than traits in this video.

[@langstonmaiden6498]

You can also stack this with a couple other bonus vs large. I know Throgg gives similar trait.

[@nikob5215]

nothing like playing Ku'gath against Ghorst. one of the most unfun enemies in the game for your faction specifically. corruption to slow you down while he recruits masses of meatshields armies for super long battles. and if you finally get rid of him (which is very satisifying) you get "poison damage". which is what every single lord type for you has by default

[@florians9949]

I know having a cancerous campaing as Nurgle is RP but did it had to be this bad? Fighting a faction that can recruit 3 full stacks each turns while you don’t even have enougth recruitment capacity for 1.

[@nikob5215]

@@florians9949 yea it's tough. And once you're done you fight Greasus, gain lots of unpleasant territory and get his defeat trait for better trading which is also useless to you

[@jays.6843]

He's not as bad now, just because you can easily cut his healing cap in half with a plague.

[@nikob5215]

@@jays.6843 yea he's better now but I liked his campaign before, too. Just ghorsts and greasus' defeat traits after the work you put in are kind of a middle finger by CA ;)

[@bigboyjeb]

Imrik has a very good defeat trait. Bonus vs large is not just 8 damage, it’s 8 melee attack vs large. Fire resistance is also very valuable; the reason fire attacks suck is because fire resistance is so good. If an attack is flaming, it’s reducing it by a flat 25%, essentially acting as ward save.

[@CalDoggyDaddu]

Not knowing how "bonus vs" works this deep into the warhammer games is bad..

[@Stammered]

The argument for number 6 leadership stat being "only good when you are behind" seems strange to me. For most competitive games, something being good while ahead is the least valuable compared to things that are valuable when behind or at parity.

[@sonofbarrel361]

To be fair, this game isn’t a competitive game (except for the small multiplayer community which focuses mostly on custom battles, not campaign). Typically in total war, you want to be snowballing as much as possible to maintain your lead over the AI, especially in harder difficulties, and once you’re behind there’s very little coming back from it. That’s why the trait is bad in the context of a single player campaign. I could maybe see a world in which it would be decent in a multiplayer campaign but probably not even then, considering each lord is limited in the amount of defeat traits they can accumulate.

[@inductivegrunt94]

Wow, Wood Elves really have some terrible defeat traits with how bad they are and how incredibly situation they are.

[@TheDemonicHorseman]

Defeating Louen Leoncoeur as another Bretonnian gives a negative trait that reduces your Chivalry. I feel like that is the worst.

[@johanneskaiser8188]

Kind of fitting, though, since culturally kingslaying would be a huge nono for them.

[@940825151]

Imrick isn't bad, it's great! Bonus vs large means extra 8 to melee attack, and it stacks with all the others bonus vs large. This is what can put you kholek at like 80 bonus vs large, and it's great! Not to mention, extra resistence is always good. Totally wrong nr 10! This is just engagement bait

[@Shredulex]

Can't the diplomatic relations buffs be stacked? I know there's still the issue of proximity to relevant factions, but defeating Khalida with three lords will get you a total of +90 relations, correct?

[@simongloutnez589]

Absolutely ! I arrived to erase arkham in my SETRA THE IMPERISHABLE campaing and brought all of my 4 lord to the battle. Boom +80 with fellow tombkings.

[@ExInfamous]

Yeah dude. I jumped into Settras war with Arkhan as Ikit Claw and basically hit and run Arkhan over and over with multiple lords. By the end of that war Settra was practically family. Dude was paying me out the wazoo for some shitty tier 1-3 settlements I nabbed from Arkhan.

[@omaralshishani9724]

love your videos, small suggestions for next videos, please add a picture of the lord you are talking about, it can be a little hard for us "noobs" to know exactly the lord you are talking about. thank you again for your videos

[@TheHolycj]

Perhaps one way to think of these less than stellar buffs is that they give you a further advantage in wiping out the faction that granted the buff. For instance defeating Katarin doesn't automatically defeat her faction or seize their lands so the buff she grants will help make that process of completely wiping her faction out a little easier. This may be a bit more situational but if you beat a legendary lord and sustain massive casulties, so much so that you can't press the attack, then when you rebuild and come back for round 2 you've got an additional buff to help you out.

[@ExInfamous]

Ok I refuse to watch sponsored ads, but I will admit the whole “faster than this unit dies” shtick is pretty funny and creative.

[@ryanjones6384]

Some defeat traits are better than campaign victory rewards. I'm ok with not being so good you want to farm them.

[@oooeee5556]

Anything that is region-focused. Regeneration at Sea? Combat stats at Sea? Fire Attack against Wood Elves? By the time you defeat one of them, you're probably 90% done through their forests? -50% attrition against Vampire Corruption???????????

[@lucifenxarthos625]

To be fair, i'd rather have fire attack against wood elves instead of flaming attacks all the time. Especially considering the chaos dwarfs with their fire resistance making their way to Kislev where you get the trait most games.

[@SerLoinSteak]

Aranessa's trait just gives regen when at sea. Regen is pretty good, but as you said, you're almost never at sea. Come to think of it, I think every time I've fought Sartossa, it's been on land. I'd also like to toss the wound recovery traits like Vlad and Morghur's traits in the honorable mention list. Depending on the situation, they're either pretty handy or completely useless since they only do anything if your lord dies in battle. It's fine if you want to have someone send in stacks of chaff to wittle down the enemy, but it feels like such a waste to lose that much just for a trait to be useful

[@nikob5215]

Fighting at sea is not bad. Good maps for factions with good artillery/ranged. I like to lure the stronger armies out at sea if I can

[@SerLoinSteak]

@@nikob5215 never said fighting at sea was bad, just that it almost never comes up in most games

[@herrnein4164]

Colonel Damneders has commited the greatest of all sins here. He sighted any form of fondness for Manfred Von Carstien

[@shnappi2346]

I would trade Manfreds -50% vampire corruption damage to +8 bonus vs large and 25% flame resistant any day of the year. Its an awful trate especially for tomb kings who already have full immunity to vampire corruption

[@olafthemoose9413]

There is no way imrik is among the top 10 worst. Like atleast it's somewhat useful

[@olafthemoose9413]

Like think about Mazda Mundi, Malagor, Khazrak, Lokhir, ....

[@MattNCSC]

I think that basically every trait/skill that provides benefits only when fighting specific races should be replaced. They have such limited usefulness and come across as filler. Replacing them with somewhat toned down versions applicable to all enemies would be better.

[@Qulize]

I'm surprised Ghorst crappy defeat trait didn't even get a place. That is objectively, _the_ worst defeat trait in the entire game. I remember beating him as Skarsnik back in Warhammer 2 and that sheet replace Skarsnik's unique Death Juice modifier thingy. That annoys me to no end. Not sure how it works in 3rd game tho.

[@jackbizzell7136]

No Lokhir Fellheart? One of the most badass evil aligned characters with perhaps the suckiest defeat trait.

[@Labelle102]

These are pretty dad. I can think of a few banners that give similar ir even better,and you can collect them from winning battles too.

[@JustMaxim37]

Technically Kislev is in two locations thanks to mother ostankya in the new world but still not as wide spread as many others.

[@KawfeeKun]

Sniktch giving stalk to the lord is really useless

[@lordtitan3651]

Idk man, escpecially if you have a really hard-hitting flying lord that can also pop down some spells you can flank or hit and run the AI quite effectively.

[@KawfeeKun]

@@lordtitan3651 generally hurts my defensive style because the enemy artillery and ranged troops will focus my important units over the lord

[@lordtitan3651]

@TheBlackhawk6565 Ahh I see, I suppose what I said is only useful for playing on max difficulty.

[@BlizzardAcolyte]

That was a cool little demonstration army you used for the Katarin part…where the Tznteechian units at tho

[@grayrook8637]

I still say the most disrespectful of defeat traits is Taurox the Brass Bull with "Brass Bull, Glass Jaw".

[@Condeycon]

Doesn't bonus vs large/infantry also effect chance to hit and damage? Not saying it makes Imrik's defeat trait that much better, but its still something if you have a melee lord.

[@roland228]

A big issue with Ice Lode Crusher and Faith-Breaker is that they can be detrimental. Flaming attacks works against you when fighting flame-resistant foes and frostbite attacks will erase your lords existing contact effect. At least with Tree Surgeon, it's only against Wood Elves who are very lacking in Flame Resistance (a single RoR and characters might be equipped with items that grant Flame Resistance) and tend to have Flame Weakness. Even the traits higher on this list than the two mentioned ones won't hurt you directly (they do put you towards the trait cap but I have the mod that removes the limit).

[@joerischreurs]

Used Vlad's wound recovery a lot as vampire counts when i got sudden war declarations by disbanding vlad and rrecruiting him the next turn to defend a settlement as a one man army. Though i get that it is a bit of a niche situation. Though it saved me a lot of hassle.

[@Ronfost89]

I would love naval battles, it would make me go in the water more.

[@morganolofsson2891]

How about Alberics worthless trait?

[@AlexanderM0vic]

Why is Manfreds defeat trait not on the list? Its definitely pretty useless.

[@vahlen5281]

Worse than these crap traits is the fact that we lost access to the useful Regeneration traits. Malus' Regen trait got nerfed ages ago to some generic AP damage increase, and Isabella's is unobtainable despite technically still existing.

[@victorcaldera249]

it is obtainable if you get the vampire counts endgame crisis because she spawns as a legendary lord during it

[@vahlen5281]

@@victorcaldera249 Unless they set the EC to trigger early, most players won't encounter her, since they end their average campaign ends around turn 50 or so. So my point effectively still stands.

[@Iron375]

I thought Manfred had the worst Defeat Traits.

[@alpharius7755]

Imrik trait is actually pretty decent

[@CortexCitadel]

Drycha trait is pretty awful, I don't think Athel Loren immunity or -4 control are all worth it. I'd put Imrik, Khalida and Konstaltyn over Drycha.

[@TuanNguyen-of8rr]

grom defeat trait?

[@alekwhite5560]

The one that came in 2nd is probably the worst out of all of them .

[@trizick5379]

alot of wood elves high tier units have Physical resentence

[@Hedgehog9596]

Lokhir fellheart gives immunity to sea and reefs attrition. Should be in the list imo

[@Grombrindal]

Probably because only the Dwarfs have ever heard of me. Nobody else really knows because I do such a good job at taking care of the witnesses.

[@naestraofdawn]

I've heard of you, the trees speak if you don't know.

[@mewple]

Causes Terror against Kislev is mostly meaningless as well because they have "By our Blood" which makes them unbreakable for 30 seconds anyways, so you cant terror route them, just proc that passive earlier.

[@Avenged7xJunkie]

I mean that’s still valuable depending on the unit and context, but also still incredibly niche

[@Darkseq]

Frostbite also works for archers and is actually pretty great on them, slowing a tough unit or character 😊

[@ThronedEggman]

So considering how many people have mentioned Imrik being the odd one out on this list, I thought I'd make a list of suggestions for who else might better belong in that tenth slot using suggestions from other comments: Lokhir Fellheart - No Attrition from Storms or Reefs. Basically never happens, and when it does happen we're talking maybe a turn or two. There's also multiple landmarks giving the same effect to your entire faction spread throughout the map. Louen Leoncoeur (Traitor) - -5 Chivalry per turn, +20% weapon strength and +10% army upkeep for the army. Can only be gained by Brettonian factions. I guess if you're trying to make a one man doomstack it's a pretty hefty weapon buff, but otherwise both of the penalties are big turn offs. Snikch - +4% Hero action success chance in local region and Stalk to the lord. The action success chance rarely matters and Stalk can often be a detriment for your lord. Mannfred - -50% vampire attrition. Does nothing for undead factions, and is rarely a problem for the living either. Add to it that there's a few landmarks to ignore it anyways, and that he's pretty much the only vampire you'd care about in the southlands. Alberic de Bordeleaux - +15 Melee Attack when fighting at sea. I mean, if sea battles never happen, which they rarely do, and we dislike generic melee buffs for our lord because they could be a caster, shouldn't this be on the list instead of Imrik's? Daniel - +20 relations with Kislev, -50% to all attrition for the army. Ok, fine, I guess this would 100% wouldn't be on the list if Mannfred's trait isn't there, but it's basically the same as Khalida's or Arkhan's, but tied in with a really meh bonus. Attrition is rarely a problem, though I guess this one affects plague attrition too? Grom - +10 relations with High Elves, Terror when fighting Greenskins. It's a really mediocre relationship boost, though Terror is relevant vs the oh so common Greenskins. Mazdamundi - Leadership auro size +25%. Does anyone care about the leadership aura? Oxyotl - Vanguard Deployment for the lord. At least it's not detrimental, but other than a few sneaky scenarios here and there it's very niche. Skrolk - Immune to Swamp attrition, -5 Public Order for local enemy province. Swamps are very uncommon, you're not going to use your lord to decrease Public Order unless you specifically want to resurrect some legendary lord. Drycha - Immune to Forest attrition, -5 Public Order for local enemy province. See Skrolk.

[@juancarlosflores7376]

A quick fix would be no trait cap. Second would be, having the ability to remove traits. Third which would be the hardest to do. It would be to rework the traits. Also enabling fire attacks goes on missile lords too.

[@jacksmith3148]

Whirling In Rags 12pm during the ad had me like Anton Ego for a second there, god bless

[@MrPFMneto]

Raphael Ambrosius Costeau*

[@florians9949]

Also another point to add on katarine’s deafeat trait, Kislev is probably the hardest faction to chain rout thanks to ‘by our blood’ so even if kislev factions were more common it would still be crap.

[@synysterR6]

Terror rout is different from leadership break and by our blood only triggers on leadership break

[@tankskicommander5079]

i would love to control naval ships to blast my opponents its why i like fall of the samurai. i would go out of my way to fight on water if we had navel battles

[@123fakestreettt]

Honorable mention to Lokhir Fellheart, the edgy duelist who makes you immune to storm and reef attrition. I don't think I've ever been in a reef in immortal empires once.

[@honorguard7616]

I'll be honest, no storm attrition is nice

[@wolfschadow6399]

Bonus vs large/infantry not only increases damage but also melee attack of a unit.

[@FatalError14]

FYI prickly pear is just the fruit from cactus

[@honorguard7616]

Doesn't anti X give melee attack as well?

[@honorguard7616]

Flaming attacks = halves heal on what you hit and generally good vs undead

[@Johnny_Isometric]

Yes, but which trait has the best flavor text?