Top 11 eBike Motor Speed Test | Hillclimb Shoot Out

There have never been so many different ebikes and ebike motor systems to choose from. While this choice is great for giving riders options to suit their riding, it can also be confusing to know which is best. Steve Jones decided to pit 11 of the top EMTB motors against each other to see which would get him to the top of his test hillclimb fastest, and also get an insight into the differences between all these cutting edge systems.
⏱ Timestamps ⏱
0:00 - Intro
3:36 - Vitus E-Mythique | Bafang M510
4:12 - Giant Trance X Advanced E+ Ltd | SyncDrive Pro
5:18 - Giant Stance E+ | SyncDrive Sport
6:41 - Dengfu | Bafang M610
8:23 - Specialized Levo | Brose
9:51 - Fulgur Mula | Polini EP3+
11:08 - Canyon Strive:ON CFR LTD | Bosch CX Race
12:00 - Trek Rail | Bosch CX
13:55 - Vitus E-Sommet | Shimano EP8 & EP801
14:58 - Rocky Mountain Altitude Powerplay | Dyname 4.0
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[@martylondon6729]

It would be great to see how the new Pinion motor gearbox bike compares to the bikes tested in this video,

[@grantnewby3756]

At the end of the day you get used to what you can afford and what you get used to, to get the job done. And if it gets you out there and home again that is a plus. Love my Turbo Levo Alloy comp.

[@richardclarke6037]

Next time , have a start line and a finishing line so for me there was a bit of unfair finish clocking, keep your eyes on the tree at the end

[@RingroStar]

Yeah, they stopped way earlier with the bosch motors 😅

[@romma11]

Yeah agreed my fist observation too, including reaching over for watch. Very skewed comparison easily need to adjust ~3-5s

[@stevejones7956]

Don't worry Richard, these were not the only runs we did haha

[@The.JZA.]

Agreed, for each bike the finish line got further and further down the hill. Would’ve been more accurate if someone else stopped the clock too instead of him having to reach over and stop his watch.

[@wrosslandwr8032]

He is on Bosch paylist

[@Magoo71]

Thanks Stevie for all the great info. I ride an eBike and I have the 160Nm version of a 52 volt BaFang motor and really enjoy the motor/bike combo!

[@duanethompson2879]

I was questioning the 120nm Bafang qualifying boundaries for this shoot-out. I think 160nm would def tip the boundary more suitable into Sur-Ron territory😅. I've had 5 different motored eMTBs and I just got out of my 2022 RM Altitude, into another bike e/w Bosch CX Race......apples/oranges, love them both for different reasons. Climbing, Dyname is absolute king👑 everything else Bosch CX Race for the win! 🏎💨

[@RicardoPetrazzi]

"Ludicrous mode" on the Rocky Mountain.....😃 love it!

[@Govermentsound]

Bosch motors are a must have for me on any eebs I've ever owned, any other motors on any other bikes just gets overlooked for myself, when I'm shopping for a bike, I always choose Bosch motor 1st, then the bike 😁

[@hansklaus8657]

Well I had a Bosch too, but must say that its rather ea novelty and the ride comfort should go first, they take so little from each other when you feel comfy on a bike imo

[@Driftuner]

You should try the EP8, might surprise you. After i switched to shimano, never had a bosch bike ever again...

[@cjsutterer4804]

@@Driftuner good to know. Everyone seems like a Bosch fanboy, but I wonder how much of that is just hype and not true first hand knowledge.

[@offroadtrailrider77]

We have 3 22 Rocky PowerPlays and they are all amazing. Makes long steep up hill climbs fun again. The torque and power are top notch.

[@johnpashos1257]

And reliability 0. If you see honest videos

[@willfraser3741]

@@johnpashos1257hammering mine for over 12 months with no issues..

[@sjaan7370]

@@johnpashos1257 I'm from British Columbia and had had my 2020 RM Attitude PP for 3 years now with zero issues. The shop I deal with carries emtbs from Yeti, Rocky Mountain, Norco, Specialized and Transition and the Power Play series is the least problematic emtb they sell with almost no electrical issue. Motors are rock solid being that crank arm strikes do no impact the motor's internals/bearings. That being said, I have read of some issues with their earlier models which I haven't experienced.

[@werfadder]

I have done over 5000km of absolute abuse on my Powerplay. The motor is as good as day 1.

[@heywood165]

I’ve been riding a RM Altitude PP for 18 months and can confirm it is an absolute beast on climbs. Another KZbin channel tested one a few weeks back and it got a big thumbs down, I think because he had certain expectations on what an ebike motor should feel like. The Altitude is unlike all the other bikes, mainly because you still have to work to get the most out of it. I will add, ludicrous mode is far too powerful for tech climbs, I find any roots or loose rocks cause the rear wheel just to spin.

[@MrAllen-gi7pf]

That was fun to watch, thanks!

[@fredboudreaux9663]

Brilliant review! Keep them coming.

[@ElBa55man]

This was a fun test, so thanks for putting it all together. I live in East Anglia, so not many hills around and zero mountains. I mainly ride for fun, exploring and getting out into more remote areas, I also combine this with a little photography. I have the Husqvarna Light Cross EP8 which is perfect for trailing riding and road use. I actually prefer just riding trails and not racing about like, well ..like I am in a race! I did enjoy the test even though it was comically unscientific, even the finish line kept moving😳. However, it is fascinating to see all the cutting edge motors and frames and well done to EMBN for keeping us all excited about the latest tech.

[@stevejones7956]

Hey thanks, it was fun doing it!

[@thewrx2600]

The 2 things that should be listed next to each time should be avg cadence, (possibly ideal motor cadence) and the shuttle/overrun settings of each bike's calibration. Maybe Ray, could do a test with a few less variables and his bike dyno, and see how they compare in a more controlled setting..... Also, sometime in the near future hopefully, we will be able to do a real comparison test, as all bikes will have an industry standard drive mounting setup for any brand of drive unit (motor), and the same bike can be tested with 5-6 different motors.

[@prodeo2167]

Nice test but not totally fair. Agrees with some that clock were stopped earlier for some motors. Need to have a specific start and finish with someone other than rider doing the timing. Would like to see the outcome of such a test

[@billderas3420]

Nice test! Would like to see you test the lightweight motors next...

[@Mtb9r]

Bangin test. Any one of those bikes will take you anywhere you want to go some a little faster than others 🎉🎉🎉🎉Happy trails.

[@stevejones7956]

Thanks Mtb... yes fully agreed, they're all very close and the bike matters just as much

[@Mtb9r]

Oh heck yeah 👌 Rider capability and bike fit Steve Jones. I picked a Husqvarna go figure had to buy at the local motorcycle shop but hey, great service. Happy trails man

[@Adwhy]

Great video! I think a comparison of the range of the different motor would be even more informative for us deciding which motor to choose, since every of these emtb motor will give you a great boost in power. Can you make a video where you compare the range of these motors with the same tires and the same trail? Also there's a bike from a startup called Forestal Syrion, which is a high power, but low capacity lightweight bike. It would be very nice to see a review of this kind of bike as well!

[@stevejones7956]

Thanks Adwhy. Range yes for sure that's a huge subject right!

[@FPVslayer]

That would be a good video! A lot more work though. Each motor is different on each bike and often offers between 250 to 750w, and some coke with optional range extenders. The weight of each bike would have an impact as well for the range, each bike has 3 to 5 modes of power output (changing the distance you can go depending on which mode you’re in)from eco to power mode. You can go even further and have an app for your bike like mine, and change the power assistance percentage for each mode you use to a personal liking. I found the best option in this area is researching each bike as much as possible. If it helps though, all the these motors have the same power and top speed of you put them on eco mode. It’s better to buy a quality motor (most of these are, bafang I wouldn’t ever buy, that’s Amazon and wish quality) on a great bike that’s light, and well priced. Giant is the best for that, they offer great quality at a lower price, because they’re the worlds biggest bike company with 10% of the market.

[@callumjohnson9433]

Proud owner of whyte e160s with bosch cx. Insane bike. Litrally love climbing with it. I look for more nonsense tech hills to climb all the time.

[@FPVslayer]

I expected the syncdrive pro to be at the top 😅 I tested it against the Rocky Mountain on a 1.6km hill climb and they were dead even for time, and I rode the rocky up first. The syncdrive pro was smoother and more responsive on steeper grade inclines. I did notice the dyname 4.0 has 350% assistance compared to the 360% on the syncdrive, and you can feel that little difference, but the dyname is a torque monster!!

[@cavman7]

As a Rocky Mountain Altitude owner, I approve this video.😂

[@sjaan7370]

I already knew who was going to win this test as he presented the list of contenders. The Rocky is a torque monster and because of the mechanical torque sensor, it gives back what you put in... game over 😎

[@FPVslayer]

The motor is a blast!! I expected the syncdrive pro to be up there with it; when I test rode the motors climbing a 1.6km hill the were dead even on time, I just preferred the syncdrive and found it smoother and quicker to respond when climbing steeper grades! It was a hard pick between the two.

[@sjaan7370]

@@FPVslayer I agree. The syncdrive pro is a smooth, quiet system. Definitely not as 'raw' as the Dyname.

[@patricedesilets3393]

Very good job, a proper comparison with all the big players I like that. How was the setting on the Rocky Mountain? Ludicrous Factory or all in with +2 boost?

[@robzielinski]

It would have been nice if you cut out the silly music and let us hear the motor noise for each bike... maybe another video with each bike back to back

[@neekodevinchi]

Fair play Steve. Food for thought👍🏿

[@chinguyen8778]

Was an extraordinary achievement for this channel having featured not only 2 different bafang motors, but also having one attached to a Dengfu frame as well. But!! Some commercial interest at play here it feels, with the differing finish lines for each bike brand motors. Hmm

[@articvinter]

Has the new Giant syncdrive pro 85 nm and Ananda M100 110 nm. The Ananda motor has a little more power, but consumes electricity. Giant syncdrive pro has impressively low consumption, cycles twice as far on the same amount of amps and in power mode.

[@Cheatingforfun]

Really good comparison video ⚡️💪🏽⚡️

[@bladerr900]

great video, i think people go for a motoer they like and have faith in as with cars, i am a Bosch motor fan so will probably buy another Bosch emtb thanks again for the review Mr Jones

[@SamsBikes]

Nice work Steve!

[@chrisblackburn715]

I think power meters on your pedals would make these tests more acurate and then throw in a tech climb. Nice video though.

[@winters3]

just using the internal powermeter ;) than heartbeat

[@mtzroberto]

Well, after three runs, the body get ideal for run 3 or 5 five runs in better way en then decrease a leitner.

[@moonstriker7350]

Completely pointless "test"... pedelec: nobody knows how hard he actually tried with any of these, and the assistance modes are not equivalent at all. One thing I can see right away though is that he is pedalling like crazy, like some hamster in a hamster wheel (similar body too), waaay too high cadence, he is simply not fit enough - by far.

[@chrisblackburn715]

I believe thats how you get the most out of the motors is by having a high cadence. You dont know how much power he is exerting through the pedals though so power meter would allow him to keep it the same on each bike.

[@moonstriker7350]

@@chrisblackburn715 " thats how you get the most out of the motors is by having a high cadence." Defnitely not, you apply a LOT higher force when you do longer strokes. Imagine thta you're trying to push away something wiht your legs, quads, as hard as you possibly can, that's defintely not a quick motion.

[@dennisboyd1712]

For the past 4 years I've been riding 2018 Haibike XDURO Nduro 9.0 & I just got a WattWagon Hydra -. Full suspension carbon fiber frame. Motor: Bafang Ultra M620 48V 1000W Peak Battery: 48V, 880Wh, 18650 cells Torque: 120-230Nm & Now any hill is no problem.

[@stevowyeth]

All these motors need to be tested across the same conditions on old mate bike dyno to get a feel for actual power output over certain conditions and to determine the most efficient cadence range.

[@Kenny_PL]

110-120BPM my ass 😂... not even on the first ride mate.

[@funnelfpv9435]

Yeah. More like 150-160 at the top.

[@gamerookie4920]

Youve forget the best of all these motors: The Sachs RS with 112Nm and a low Batterie consumption.

[@kevinmortimer1883]

interesting test. surprised no yamaha pwx3 included? or are you using the giant syncpro as such?

[@TheBrokenMountainBiker]

Crikey, the course was about half a mile shorter for the last few bikes! Lol. Id like to see you guys do a proper review of the dengfu bike one day. I like the look kf them nut never really seen anyone go full hammer round a bike park on one.

[@thim8009]

Nice job, very interesting. I would ride any one of the motors. I look more into suspension, geo, brakes, ect. Oh, and the battery capacity. I'm happy with my brose, and my ep8.

[@MB-jz3uu]

Tires being equal across the range would probably help as well as equal wheel sizes.

[@glennmorgan8691]

I've heard a few times that between the dyname and the bosch cx in full power mode(hill climb) the rocky wins every time but overall you have to work harder on the dyname which means the cx has a better power curve.Cheers!!!

[@RonnRider]

Yeah, but the PowerPlay has way more natural and progressive a feel. Way more control around tight switchbacks and slippery steep technical climbs. It puts out what you do…when you do!💪🏾👍🏾

[@denfath5010]

An interesting little work out but for me range and battery size has a very large influence on decision making. Maybe you could ask for volunteers to turn up and ride in eco mode around the same course untill the battery is flat for comparative range testing. For instance, I believe that the Bosch motor gives 50% assistance in eco whereas I have turned down the PX2 Yamaha in my Giant to 75% assistance from 100% to obtain more range. I like long days out.

[@Tony_P]

All 4 modes in the Bosch smart system are adjustable which makes Eco a useful option rather than one you would rather not use.

[@JamesSandyOates]

One thing missing in this test or maybe future reviews is how well the walk mode works on these ebikes. In British Columbia we have some long steep trails that you can’t pedal up so you try pushing with your walk mode and the walk mode just doesn’t do much.

[@Szczyrczek]

That's a good one, it is really hard for my GF to push that 24kg bike.

[@ryansmith7974]

The gear your in affects the "walk" setting so make sure she's in the easiest gear when she uses that mode.

[@vasilmolot5099]

I have Rocky Mountain. With such power uphills become really exciting and fun! Have no speed limit.

[@nomad-pq4yw8iy7v]

oddly enough the sport really is faster when it comes to the Giants . I have 2020 stance and a 2022 Reign I think the 2020 is only 70 nm. While you can't do it because they won't mount up because the bolt pattern is different it be interesting to swap the 2 motors and see what happens. I think the result would be the same but, might change on steeper ground. I do have a Question why don't you use a timing beam of some sort for your time test (I realize it is for fun but you do these timed test frequently enough)?

[@Ryzza5]

Thanks for including Bafang and cheaper chinese bikes. We don't all have luxury bike budgets. ;)

[@davefreeman9347]

Just proves its not just about raw power, I was riding the blade trail yesterday in South Wales ive got a Trek fuel exe and my mate has got a Cube stereo hybrid 160 HPC where I was in eco mode on the climb which is wet rocky and quite techy in places, he was struggling to get his BOSCH CX 85 NM power down he lost control a few times and struggled keep up with me and my comparative small TQ 50 NM motor.

[@johnh4650]

Great work but was curious why the Brose 2.1 (found on the Gen 2 Levo) was used in this comparison instead of the more recent and better-performing Brose 2.2 (found on the Gen 3 Levo) .

[@CordlezToaster]

Had so many issues with the brose motor swapped to a bike with the bosch and have never looked back.

[@Trikk57]

Geo on the bikes will affect climbing performance, mainly the chainstay length. Under 445 you start getting nose happy and work on keeping the front down, affecting times.

[@JCozzyphotos]

I noticed crank length was not consistent. This will affect the results yes?

[@TrentCain]

To have any kind of credibility this test needed to include multiple riders and multiple climbs.

[@chrispresnell7014]

Love my Rocky mnt. Technical climbing is great on this bike

[@rudozoltan]

I have 2 emtbs, one with Shimano EP8 and one with Bosch CX. I also tried Yamaha on friends bike. For me Shimano is best because it gives you most natural power delivery. On the same trip with Bosch Iam not even sweating, feels like I did nothing. It just goes like motocycle. Shimano on the other hand is constantly changing level of assistance on all 3 modes based on how you pedaling and it just feels right for me.

[@edmundhodgson2572]

I would love to know about the power to cadence ratios of all these motors.

[@FPVslayer]

Many of them collect the stats. My screen shows my cadence!

[@russellzauner]

TQ HPR50 full motors are turning up for about a kbuck USD; their OEM displays are about 100 USD. That's going to be my next upgrade. I am disabled so I have to build on my own; I have a cheap full suspension bent tadpole that's upgraded to dynamic pedal assist. There's no way I could afford to buy off the rack or have it built, so thankfully it's easy to put them together now.

[@8664antonio]

thank you for your test. important would be how much battery consumption per minute and force...

[@billygundum]

I've got a rad power mini ebike that I'm trying to make 50mph minimum... Any suggestions?

[@user-hg6br3dr1d]

The RM Altitude PP is a mountain bikers e-bike. I tested several different bikes before getting the PP and they all suffer compared to the PP. The overrun on some bike feels very artificial, RM definitely has the best platform hands down.

[@stevetremlett7917]

Interesting comparisons. Hardly a scientific test though, but some interesting comments by Steve.

[@brendan1]

I'm wondering what effect rider fatigue had on the times? And it looked like you stopped the clock at slightly different points on the trail for each bike.

[@stevejones7956]

On the earlier runs the fastest bike was actually the last run

[@MrAnderson7209]

Agreed on fatigue. Perhaps consider to try a rider recovery day (or 2) and repeat same test but in reverse running order . A rfid wrist scanner system would be best to ensure distance vs time accuracy.

[@frmadeira]

I understand it's quite niche, but would be curious to see more about the Sachs RS. Although I have the feeling it would be a pain to source service, batteries and whatnot for that.

[@stevejones7956]

I think both the Panasonic and Sachs would be in top five for sure

[@siriosstar4789]

service is not a problem IF you live in germany 😂 The sachs/BMZ has had very few problems ,so ,,,,,,?

[@siriosstar4789]

@frmad,,,- The sachs was bought by its German battery company, BMZ which also supplies batteries for Brose ,so very easy to get batteries for the sachs/BMZ

[@MN-ch7pc]

After the 3rd bike you stopped to early which is a second or more. With the first bikes you stopped at the tree. Why then earlier?

[@solferinomichelotti2985]

Owner of trek rail 5 last year with bosch and now rm a50 with dyname 4.0.... The bosh in turbo was more explosive imho and the dyname in ludicrous is more quite at all, very different and appreciable, more effort on pedal on rm, yes, but immediate start on pedal instead of bosch.... more similar to muscle bike i had some time ago, I like it

[@rboz4637]

Only shopping Bosch now after Shimano dodged warranty replacement with "supply chain" excuse!

[@edteach3r]

Very interesting! I am 63 years old and enjoy mild trail riding, and recently bought a new Trek bike with Bosch motor. I must say, this system has impressed me immensely when compared to the (older) Shimano I had before. My Shimano had this irritating ‘throttling back’ feeling once you reach the top speed. With the Bosch, the transition from e-power to human power is much smoother. This is all subjective, of course… Living in Vancouver, I would ultimately have preferred the Rocky Mountain but it was simply too far out of my budget. Maybe next time, if there is such an opportunity for me! Thanks for another enjoyable video.

[@stug45]

i wonder how much the bikes and tyres make a difference?

[@bsmith5167]

Do this again with Garmin Vector power recording pedals on pavement using identical tires and pressures. Repeat on three inclines of pavement 2% 6% and 12% each with three cadences 60, 80, 100. Extra credit: record voltages and currents during tests. Post spreadsheets.

[@cyclopath1000]

Are these bikes set up class 1 USA or EU. MY NEW E8000 motor on my meta power is accidentally programmed to EU and that totally changes things. When I’m back at the shop in AZ mid October we will unjust the firmware ( actually Shimano USA will). Much harder bike to ride EU.

[@ruralpestcontrol]

to compare the different motors fairly, you'd need to fit each motor into the same bike. using different bikes has too many different variables

[@DorDor400]

Thats not possible.

[@ruralpestcontrol]

@@DorDor400 wheels, tyres, gearing, frame weight, battery size, seat, handle bars could all be the same though

[@jonwoodvine322]

Y is there no comparisons of the yam motors or haibikes in your videos

[@sidney9115]

hello I have a focus jam2 6.8 2022 and I would like to switch to a coil shok but I can't find any recommendation to know which can fit if you have an idea Sorry to ask you this, but I don't know where to find this information. THANKS

[@MTBPerspective]

Fun test but I rarely use full power setting and iif I do, I'm not doing it because I'm worried about speed.

[@aphtonyjim]

Ok Steve, with all your experience and your job getting to ride all these different emtb's...IF you had to choose One based on the motor alone, which would it be ?

[@stefanhansen5882]

Fun! Which of the sub-1:00 bikes is the cheapest?

[@Growler_Guy]

You missed Bafang Ultra M620 160Nm

[@GaNgStAlBeRt]

its a 6kg motor obviously its stronger these drives weight almost half

[@stuka78]

@@GaNgStAlBeRtsome of these are well below 3 kilos

[@TheOlafmetal]

The new m560 would have the best chance to make an impression on this group. Advertised as 140nm 750w 3.3kg. Vitus is supposed to be putting one on a bike soon

[@dennisboyd1712]

​@@TheOlafmetal For the past 4 years I've been riding 2018 Haibike XDURO Nduro 9.0 & I just got a WattWagon Hydra -. Full suspension carbon fiber frame. Motor: Bafang Ultra M620 48V 1000W Peak Battery: 48V, 880Wh, 18650 cells Torque: 120-230Nm & Now any hill is no problem.

[@chinguyen8778]

Highly unlikely to see this channel put down any real numbers with the Bafang m620. Too many commercial interest at play, they won’t risk getting angry emails from the other manufacturers..

[@JHoldt]

As long as we have the human factor in comparisons like this, I don’t think we can use these results for very much.

[@stevejones7956]

Really?

[@davidketley5359]

It would have been interesting to put price in with the results.

[@jarkkomannisto6413]

All same tyres ..? Don't think so.. that s huge difference on grip. Different place start and stop. Some bikes more familiar.. also gives not accurate numbers

[@sd5458]

No Aventon 100NM mid drive motor as seen on the Ramblas?

Yamaha for me ;-)

[@tomquimby8669]

Missed Sachs RS of course!! I love high torque but my take away from this is after trying the Giant Trance the geometry and feel of the bike feels right. Difficult to explain but try one and you will feel it. Also missed the pinion MGU on the bulls single pivot rear suspension very plush but the rest of the bike is not nice to ride.

[@stevenreyes3680]

Cool, when I’m 80 I can upgrade chassis to a F/S and go a little tamer with a Bafang 120nm motor. And the bike will be affordable for a pensioner in 10 years...

[@PhilosoFox]

I bet you Aden 1 500 Watts add-on motor on the mtb of your choice would thrash the competition by a mile and some. 42kph top speed, motor support independent from peddling. it's not for the masses, but would reign supreme here as it did acceleration wise at Eurobike.

[@brettrickards]

What bike and motor is this?

[@PhilosoFox]

@@brettrickards It is a motor that is attached to non-motorized bikes. The one I drove on a test mtb was called the powerkit-sport from aden-sports . It's from Germany and would have cost me 2k€. It had the most brutal acceleration of all ebikes I tested on Eurobike 23 and was a category of its own

[@lovelight9999]

Thanks for test ! When going to my four hours mountain trips only 100 to 150 watt power comes in. You must have worked very strong with 250 watt, thats why the Dyname won as it needs a lot of input to deliver. This shows Bosch CX as well, with 120 watt input it is so slowly uphill that a fly overtakes, a TQ 120 is three times stronger and makes three times more fun. Please make a test for average drivers.😇

[@articvinter]

There will be too many factors that have an impact on the result, therefore it will be wrong to judge the engines' performance based on such a test. It must be possible to run the engines on a dyno bench and get a fair result.

[@stevejones7956]

Nobody is disputing a dyno will furnish you with a number. But machines dont ride the bikes right?

[@euanbegbie]

Such a scientific, accurate test🤣🤣🤣.

[@waynephilbert]

Wouldn't the power ratings of each motor also be a factor, along with the weight of the complete bike? Interesting nonetheless...

[@jasonpotter4702]

Should have had a line to line with a real stop watch - a bit of fishing for stop button a few times - the close ones are do a fair shake !!

[@danielpatino81]

As of now BOSCH is the king of power vs reliability as a weekend warrior i do not consider anything different than BOSCH CX

[@liquidSpin]

No Scott Spark Lumen?...the lightest production e-bike on the market? Oh, it would probably dominate the competition and make all the other bikes look really bad, don't wanna do that hahaha

[@terencecampbell3055]

Why did you not test a haibike Yamaha motor.

[@j.zsyd11]

What is the bafang m610?

[@richardcutts5380]

Thanks for the on-site guys but no Yamaha.?

[@sjaan7370]

Giant uses Yamaha motors.

[@JP19-67]

Should these not have all been tested using the same chainring and rear cog gear since its just a motor like for like test?

[@FINNdeischgut]

Conclusion: When it comes to power, it doesn't matter which modern full-power motor you buy, other things like volume, dynamics, adjustability and, above all, the rest of the bike are much more important. Even with a Shimano EP8 you will be able to keep up with a Rocky Mountain Dyname 4.0 rider. The motor is not that important, it is much more important which bike it is installed in, because they all have enough power.

[@stevejones7956]

Totally

[@peterclark8763]

Obviously these aren’t restricted?

[@Jerrand]

Good test, but if you're on different gears going up, pedaling harder, on a higher heart rate, etc. Too many outside factors to actually have a real comparison. If you kept it on a specific gear, same heart rate range, it could have made the comparison better/fair.

[@biuroca2453]

One of the better Panasonic GX Ultimate was missing from the list

[@tonym6633]

M620 to all other motors,🎉 Hold my pocket.

[@Meow-In-Trouble-Now]

Tbh this is all a bit pointless as you have so many variables that the results aren't credible, but thanks for the entertaining vid

[@stevejones7956]

Why would results not be credible? Do you think there would be big differences if conducted differently? Happy to provide sample set to see margin of error

[@MrAnderson7209]

A legitimate test in my opinion would include the following: two days testing with reverse running order on day two, all bikes having the same tire model and pressure and an RFID starting - end system on track. Simple and credible.

[@Driftuner]

Unfortunately great motors like the Panasonic GX Ultimate always get overlooked...

[@stevejones7956]

Not at all, it was just availabailty in this instance, Panasonic will be up there in top five

[@Driftuner]

@@stevejones7956 it def should. Might just be one of the, if not THE best motor ive ever ridden. Panasonics are very underrated

[@eki6283]

Waht about the 120 nm tq motor?

[@Alex-uh1mj]

Would smoke all these toys

[@50whatnomadtravelnursemtb5]

1 minute isn't enough to make a decision, it should be really steep and technical...that hill isn't that bad so all bikes will probably perform same. The giant has really good low end power and not much pedal effort.