Top 12 Mini Spray Guns,The Best Mini Spray Gun & The Best Cheap Mini Spray Gun

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[@gillissss1]

et Pete un gros merci POUR TOUS CET TEST ,ca du être un travail énorme bravo.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Merci Gilles, oui, ça a pris du temps mais je voulais vraiment partager mes connaissances, merci d'avoir regardé 👍

[@vasili70]

Fantastic video, Pete. Very good info and in a great format. Can't wait to see your Top 10-12 fullsize guns. I have begun spraying vehicles as a hobby and have a large air compressor. My "best" gun at this time is the Walcom Slim Kombat, but have been looking hard at the Prolite, and here in the States, we can get a kit with 3 needles and two different caps. Although I am also considering the Slim Xlite with a couple different tips. Mainly thinking about a dedicated primer/sealer gun and a dedicated base/clear coat gun. Thanks again Pete for the videos, I am learning alot from them.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi buddy, thank you, I will get round to a full size gun top 10 or so hopefully soon. I really like the Slim Kombat HTE and the Slim Xlite, I find they are the same gun as far as performing is concerned, one's just a metal version with a different cup mount. You can never go far wrong with a Pro Lite, they are good, and, as you say, in the US they come with a range of tips and caps which make them excellent value, cheers mate 👍

[@sw9506]

I'm just loving your 'one fits all' Walcom spanner :)

[@CartubeCoIl]

That was very helpful, Thanks!

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Mate, Thank you, much appreciated 👍

[@TheAndred1]

for me this is brilliant .as an amateur in the uk this is what I've been looking for . Many thanks

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Andrew, Thank you. It's good to hear it's been some help, I tried to cover as much as I could without the video getting too long, cheers 👍

[@YootubeUK]

Great video, I really could do with updating the touch-up gun I currently manage with!

[@peteshobbies5383]

Thanks, mate, much appreciated 👍

[@nancydiaz9489]

Exelent job.thank,

[@peteshobbies5383]

Thanks you Nancy, much appreciated 👍

[@Cavalier_Steve]

Great video Pete a lot of work has gone into this I know. I’m so glad the 2 ANI’s made it into the list especially the ANI GF3 I really need to borrow my dads GF3 to see what it is like I don’t think that he has even used it yet. I do enjoy using my 160Q it’s obviously very forgiving, as you know I used it at 2 bar and still god good results from it I’m going to do my wheel at 4 bar and see what the difference is like as I still haven’t tried it at that pressure yet. I’m also pleased to see the Devilbiss SRI Pro made it not one I’ve used myself but a lot of people seem to speak highly of them so much so that I thought of buying one, not that I need it at all 🤣 Thanks again Pete very interesting video. Cheers.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Thanks Steve, it's been in the making for a wile so pleased it's done, Yes, i really needed to get the GF3 in there as it brilliant value for money and much more useful than spray can's, yeah, the R150/R160 loves pressure , I do clear at 3.5 bar and its really good, again, brilliant value for money and still the best £100 spray gun, glad you liked it, now for a full size video and micro gun video, don't hold your breath through, it will be a wile 🙂

[@ppsebo]

very, very useful, thanks

[@peteshobbies5383]

Thank you buddy 👍

[@niamakhtar2234]

Great review Pete. Love it. I thought I was the only crazy one about Guns. But you are way ahead of me!!!! Ohhh by the way, noticed that your spraying technique has improved vastly. Well done.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Thanks very much Niam, yes, my spraying is certainly evolving, cheers 👍

[@niamakhtar2234]

@@peteshobbies5383 My trusted LPH 80 was not even in your short list. But there where other members of the family there. And I do rate the Pro lite SR 1.4 My go to gun for VHS clears. I also rate the GPi 1.4 great all rounder, but I have never put primer in it, far too good for that. Just cannot bring myself to dirty a nice gun with 2K Primer. That stuff takes some cleaning, if not done right away. Whats your instagram address mate???

[@peteshobbies5383]

The LPH80 did get 10/10 for performance though, for me it's only let down by versatility, the fan even in 1.2 is still small and the fluid output is quite low, which is ideal for many things but a bit restrictive for others, the DV1s is like a LPH80 on steroids, Instagram link is below mate 👍 instagram.com/petes_hobbies/

[@joebasurto9306]

what is the best ratio mix for primer..by the way you are real good at what you do..thank you

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Joe, Thanks mate 👍 When you say mixing ratio, do you mean the amount of thinners/reducer used? Or do you mean the ratio of hardener and primer? The technical data sheet of your chosen product should be able to help

[@watchthisspacecarchannel6523]

Really good video Pete , , I think one of my best value for money guns has been my ANI R150 , but I was surprised to see The Iwata W300 in second spot , I missed out on getting one of those but I will put back on the list. Either way I think you did a great job on this top 12

[@peteshobbies5383]

Thank you Roger, it took a long time to make but i really wanted to do it, the ANI is the best one there in the up to £100 GBP without a doubt and still the one i recommend to people in that price range, the Iwata would have been in 1st spot if i hadn't put my thinking head on, it's my personal favourite along with the Sri Pro Lite but in many places the W300WB is more expensive than the DV1s and only has 1 tip so the logical choice was the DV1s as it sprays so well although it's slow for full panels it's a brilliant little spraygun, cheers buddy, hope alls well in Oz 👍

[@watchthisspacecarchannel6523]

@@peteshobbies5383 things a bit better for now down here thanks mate, Even though I haven’t had the opportunity to use the DV1s I to think it probably deserves first place , I love the idea of getting two tip sizes and in a good quality product.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Good to hear, I really wanted to put the Sagola Xtreme higher but I just couldn't do it, I think the air consumption is very relevant to mini guns and it really kills it for me, it's uses more than many full size gun's and if it was really fast so made up for it I would understand but it just isn't, I love the 4600 and thought the mini would be the same but mini and it just isn't

[@watchthisspacecarchannel6523]

@@peteshobbies5383 I know , it’s real pity about the Sagola Mini Xtreme , I’ve come to really like Sagola guns and had thought for sure, it would be higher up the list, if it delivered that little bit more , yeah after the wait , I was a bit disappointed with it

[@walterwalters3069]

Pete you did a great review and all what you said I agreed . Thanks you so much for your hard work!

[@peteshobbies5383]

Thank you Walter, I've been working on it for quite some time so your thanks are much appreciated 👍

[@toycoma98]

You should get the Masterpro-22 mini touch up gun. I have the 1.0 and also ordered 1.3 tip. It sprays clear very well. 1.0 tip has 8" fan, the 1.3 bigger.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi buddy, there's not available where i am but ill keep a look out 👍

[@LSpower7.0]

I've use a most of these Guns and I pretty much agree with you, I'm a Iwata guy there well priced and spray beautifully and I've used them for over 25 years, I like Devilbliss guns I also think your right about the sata although I would have put it a bit higher on the list they make some of the best Guns money can buy but over priced

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Mate, Sounds like we have similar thoughts. It's actually rather difficult to put positions on these guns as there's a few factors to take into account, obviously, including prices , cheers, buddy 👍

[@coleman4897]

Hello what would you recommend for painting repairs and small parts on kitchen cabinets etc, I have to go back to suppliers if I need small scratch repairs or a bespoke part making and painting ,if I could do it myself it would be a great bonus thanks

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi, something like the LPH80 would fit the bill, low pressure, so low overspray together with a good finish

[@piotrklis9648]

Hey Pete, thanks for your videos - so informative - I am working with automotive leather and find them very useful. I am currently searching for spray guns for myself - one for mobile work, to use on touchups/smart repairs, to be compatible with cordless compressor (like Ryobi R18 AC-0 for example) and second one for my workshop, for spraying entire seats. I wonder which models would you choose for those purposes? (I would be grateful for your advice!)

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Piotr, I just looked the Ryobi compressor up as hadn't heard of it, looking at the specs this wouldn't run any of these mini guns, even the LPH80, which is the lowest air usage out of any of the gun's here is around 2.2 Cfm. For use in your workshop if air isn't a problem something like the Iwata W300WB would be good, the LPH80 is also good but would be slower, it also depends on the viscosity of the material you using of course

[@piotrklis9648]

@@peteshobbies5383 I think I will go for Iwata Eclipse G6 for mobile jobs and I've looked up Iwata W300WB and it seems like a good good option for my workshop - many thanks for your suggestion!

[@peteshobbies5383]

Maybe take a look at the LPH50 also as it's similar spec and cheaper than the G6, it's around 1.8cfm and come with up to 1.0 tip, thanks for watching 👍

[@vehiclesprayerssociety]

great review Buddy,,😍😍😍

[@peteshobbies5383]

Thank you mate 👍

[@vehiclesprayerssociety]

@@peteshobbies5383 you're always very most welcome Buddy 😍 ☺ 😊

[@Harolddespui]

Yeah the DV1S is expensive, but as long as it delivers the best finish right of the gun, Devilbiss can ask what they want. 🙂 So you can't fault it's price as long as there isn't a cheaper gun that sprays the same, imho. Good review Pete!

[@peteshobbies5383]

Thanks buddy, yes, that's was my thinking in the end, for me any of the top three could have been number one, I love the W300 WB but in many countries its about the same or sometimes more money than the DV1s and the Pro lite s is imo a better all rounder but it's harder to get as good a finish from it as the DV1s which is effortless because it atomises so fine, cheers 👍

[@scottherr642]

Hi Pete-Nothing to do today but watch painting videos as I've a nasty case of flu. Well that's not really totally true...as I've just ordered a 4400 rp 1.0 sr from SGD. Set out to buy a w300 1.2wb for a dual use middy. Well the sata delivered w/ cup was $326 USD. The iwata was near 500 (no cup) and hardly no one had it. I've been Sata guy since the 80's, but lately the iwatas (kiwami 4,wbx.)Have been my latest choices. I was expecting to pay more for the Satajet but maybe that's changing (at ,east in Europe/UK at least). I'm intending this for spot repair only so 1.0 was my choice. I already have an r150 but while I like it it does not hold up. I've replaced the packing 3 times and I'm told this is normal if you tear down after every spray session. I will be relegating the r150 to blow in thinners from now on. My question is -is this the same for all ani minis models? Keep up the great videos.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Scott, hope you get back to normal soon mate, yes, it is the case with all the ANI mini guns. I've never really found it a problem, I've changed mine on various ANI guns around 4 times, they are around 5 USD for a pack of 10 and take 20 seconds to change. I've had to change the sealing ring once on the 4400B RP, around 20 USD for four and the compression ring on the Sri Pro Lite a few times at around 20 USD for 5 from memory so i guess it's par for the course really. The Sata is starting to look like good value, it used to be the most expensive but that's now changed with the DV1S , W300WB and the Walcom Ego 190, the price of the W300WB in many countries is the reason i put it 2nd and not 1st in my top 12 mini video because it can be expensive and only comes with 1 tip. Be interesting to here what you think of the 4400B, cheers 👍

[@davidray4655]

Another great video! Only shocker to me is that you rated the r160 higher than the AZ4, but I know how much you like the ANI. 👍

[@peteshobbies5383]

Thanks David, much appreciated, it was actually very difficult ranking them, I had to have the AZ4 in the list as it's too good not to be in , the ANI gets ahead basically because the AZ4 sells for around 40% more than the ANI so the value score drags the ANI up the rankings

[@satamanschmidt3428]

Pete, what needle/nozzle setup do you use in the W300WB. The ones I've seen from Japan are all 1.4 and that seems ridiculously big to me for a minigun.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi buddy, the one I like the best is the 1.2, I have a 1.4 that i got from Japan, initially i was a little disappointed, it makes it faster but the amount of fluid on full overwhelms the air volume so the atomisation isn't as good, it's still good but not as good as the 1.2, I then on my next job backed the fluid off a little and it was just like the 1.2 so i just use the 1.4 on about 80-85% fluid and its really good, just like the 1.2

[@windsurfingphd]

This is such a good video I was salivating all along :-))) Anyways, I upgraded my little Makita compressor to a gigantic one (in my eyes only 🙂). Its tank size is 27 gallons at 5hp, and delivers 7.1cfm at 40psi. With these parameters, am I qualified to use a full size gun? It needs to have 1.4mm nozzle because I have to use either epoxy or Rustoleum enamel paint, and they require 1.4mm opening. I was thinking of Kiwami 4 series with a centered cup. What do you think, Pete??

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Mate, Salivating 🫠😂, maybe you need to get out a bit more buddy 😉 😂🤪. The Kiwami4 BA4J 1.4 would be ideal. They draw around 7.5 cfm at 29psi, so it should be within your compressors' capabilities, and they are a good gun , highly recommended 😉

[@windsurfingphd]

@@peteshobbies5383 Thanks, Pete. I will follow your recommendation.

[@RockOn7007]

Hey Pete, great video. I was wondering if you could answer a question for me. I have a 2 1/2 hp 5 gallon compressor that puts out 4.1 CFM at 90 psi. I want to buy a mini gun for clearcoat on guitars. I initially thought that the Iwata LPH80 would be the best choice, but after watching your video, I think may be the Iwata W300 might be a better choice. Do you think my compressor would run that gun? Thanks again for the video.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi buddy, thank you, you would definitely be better off with the LPH80, the W300WB would be faster and just as good but it would use too much air. A guitar obviously isn't a large area but I still think you would struggle with the W300WB simply because your holding tank is quite small, you would be struggling towards the end as pressure dropped which would affect the finish on the varnishing stage, with the LPH80 you would have no problems

[@RockOn7007]

@@peteshobbies5383 thank you so much for the quick reply. You’ve made my decision easy.

[@peteshobbies5383]

You're welcome 👍

[@s4ms0n1t3]

Just thought id drop you a comment Pete. Been watching a few of your vids...ive only got a 50 litre hyundai silentl compressor, it puts out about 11.6 cfm. I was using a fastmover LVLP gun but really they are a lie as they are an air hog imo. Anyways based on this video i bought the ANI r160 and its perfrct for me...lays down base and clear much smoother with far less texture to cut and buff. Appreciate the vids. Cheers.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Buddy, It seems a lot of the Chinese made stuff isn't anything like what they say when it comes to air consumption, LVLP being definitely overused, I think. Dont think you can go wrong with the little ANI. They perform well, not super expensive, and wearable spare parts are readily available and not expensive, Cheers 👍

[@btbd2785]

So the Iwata WB300 you can uae any Automotive paint and ckear coat regardless if its water based or not andb it still does a great job, even better that the regular WB300? Does a great job laying down Metallic based paints as well. what is the Air consumption? i need to find a nice gun were I can use my air compressorn that unfortunalty the highest CFM IS between 8-9 PSI.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hello, yes, you can spray waterbourn, solvent and clear through it, do you mean is the WB300 better than the W300? , then yes, it's quite different because it has a split tip and a different cap, the air consumption is around 8cfm which is quite high compared to some

[@btbd2785]

@@peteshobbies5383 yes , meant to say W300. Also what is the CFM requirement to run the WB300 sir?

[@peteshobbies5383]

@@btbd2785 It's 8cfm or around 225lm

[@JohnWD40TC02]

That was the best mini gun review I've seen on KZbin fantastic mate very well made and presented I was surprised you put the DV1S at first place as I know you find it slow plus it is IMO over priced but it's the best mini gun I have in my little collection. Not sure if you know Pete but when you were doing the 6th place gun the screen went crazy with coloured streaks down the screen so we didn't see any of the 6th place gun, it didn't bother me as the audio was there so we knew what was happening. Anyway mate as I said a really interesting video so well done as we needed a good mini gun shootout, it's 10/10 for me mate 🙏👍

[@peteshobbies5383]

Thanks John, I think there must have been a problem with KZbin re number 6 as I've just checked it and it's doing the same for me but the original is not, it took over an hour to upload so I guess that created a problem , I can't change it without starting again which I'm a bit loathed to do really. It's a shame but i think people get the jist of what i am saying, I really struggled with the top 4 to be honest, if i had to choose one it would be the W300WB followed by the Pro lite but there's no getting away from the fact that the DV1s is a superb spray gun, it, the W300WB and the LPH80 have superb atomisation and can give great results, the W300WB is in most countries the same or sometimes more than the DV1s, and, as you know, you get 2 tips with the DV1s so it's the logical winner really, glad you liked it, it took absolutely age's 😂😂👍

[@JohnWD40TC02]

Yeah it doesn't spoil the video one bit mate so I wouldn't upload it again as it's just to much hassle YT can be a right pita at times but what you have done for us here is amazing Pete, I know this video editing take ages and takes a long while to render and upload, you would think it would be easier these days with all the modern PC's that are out but it is what it is 🙄🤦‍♂️ I can imagine it was a difficult decision as to which gun to put where in the top 4-5 as all these guns are really good and all of them spray about the same, at the end of the day it's down to personal choice so all you can do is give us what you believe are the best then we are able to make an informed decision, thanks for doing this Pete I think most of us on here appreciate all the time and effort that went into making this 🙏👍

[@peteshobbies5383]

Thanks John, I do enjoy it and really wanted to steer people in the right direction that's why I like to buy my own stuff so i can remain completely independent, I do put links up sometimes and that's because people ask so it saves them asking and me replying if that makes sense, the video has been well received so i pleased about that, no one yet has had a go at me for putting the Ego 190 in 5th yet but I'm sure it won't be long 😀🤣😂👍

[@markam3489]

Petes I bought iwata bellaria 1.3 and thinking about Az4 for spot repairs. Az4 -1 or az4 - 2 cap will be better in your opinion? Az 4 -2 is almost a full size gun, and do everything, bigger fan.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi buddy, that's a good question. It depends on what you want. If it's small blow ins and the like the AZ4-1 will be fine, it doesn't put out much material so is more suited to smaller areas, the AZ4 2 on the other hand in probably 3/4 of a Bellaria so more suited to bigger jobs

[@markam3489]

the az4-1 version has a 1.2 nozzle, the az4-2 version has a 1.3 nozzle Could I buy an AZ4-1 with a 1.2 nozzle and change only the air cap? Do these guns need to have the entire nozzle, needle and air cap sets changed?

[@peteshobbies5383]

@markam3489 That's a good question. As far as I remember, the inside of the AZ4 2 cap is bigger. Is it possible to see it in this video, where I show the two caps?

[@johcoppola]

Great video Pete! I'm looking on a recommendation on a mini gun or airbrush for spraying catalzied lacquere on the handles I woodturn. The handles are 1.5 inches in diameter and about 6 inches long. What would you suggest I try first? I'd love to keep it as afforadable as possible but don't want to throw money away either.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi John, what's the recommended tip size on the technical data sheet for the lacquer you use? , let me know and I'll try and recommend a gun 👍

[@johcoppola]

@@peteshobbies5383 Thanks for the quick reply Pete! The technical data sheet says 1.4mm for HVLP. The product is SHER-WOOD Hi-Bild Precat Lacquer. Would using a smaller tip size allow me to keep the overspray/wasted product to a minimum?

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi John, no, that's not necessarily the way, the thickness of the materials dictates the tip size, some furniture lacquer is quite thick in comparison to automotive. As what you are painting is so small I would recommend something like the Iwata LPH80 1.2 E4 cap, you may need to thin the material slightly but it gives a nice small pattern, very low overspray and uses very little air, other one to consider is the Devilbiss Pro lite S in 1.4, a bigger pattern so you would need to turn it in a little, there more overspray but still not loads but is the right tip for your material, hope that helps 😉

[@johcoppola]

@@peteshobbies5383 Very helpful Peter! Thank you for your input

[@peteshobbies5383]

Thanks John, much appreciated 👍

[@theautoman22]

Some of the Tulip style tip guns Iwata makes come in 4 cuts in the tip like the older LPH 400 LX and in a 3 cut tip like the Kawami 3. Have you noticed any difference in these tips between 3&4?

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Buddy, Yes, if you watch some of my other videos you will here me talk about it, the 3 split tips are generally used at a higher pressure and are faster than a 4 split, that's why people often put a 3 split tip in a LPH400, it speeds it up

[@FearNoArt83]

Thank you so much for uploading a video like this! I'm a newbie to the spray game, and it's so hard to find information that is easy to understand. I have an 8 gal compressor so I need a smaller gun for my small sculptures, while being able to spray cleacoat. I was going to get the lph-80 with 1.2 tip, but may have to change course! Thank you for all the info.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Thank you Evan, The Lph80 is a great little spraygun and uses the least air of any spraygun in this video, what sort of size are you small sculptures?

[@FearNoArt83]

@@peteshobbies5383 Thank you for your response, Pete! I make small scale ceramic sculptures, up to medium sized (dog and cat size). Coast Airbrush originally recommended that I get the lph-80 in 1.2 for my small compressor, as it only has 4.1 CFMS at 40 psi. I'd like to spray acrylics, polyurethanes and ceramic glazes through the same gun. I tend to spray in multiple directions as yourself!

[@peteshobbies5383]

The LPH80 should be ok with your compressor, the only drawback i can see is it will take some time to complete the larger sculptures which may be a problem with the glazes, I don't spray them but i would imagine they are similar in the way they act when sprayed as automatic clear coat

[@FearNoArt83]

@@peteshobbies5383 Thank you so much for your advice! I'm hoping to get far better atomization and performance, as I've been using a less than ideal $25 siphon spray gun the past decade. I plan on getting the 1.2 tip size with the E2 air cap. Your results look great! Thanks again, Pete.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Your welcome Evan, the E2 cap as you probably know uses less air but gives a smaller fan than the E4, about 20% less, both E2 and E4 caps give very fine atomisation so i think you will be happy with the results considering your currently set, be interesting to see what you think when you get it, cheers 👍

[@marioweinberger9478]

Dear Pete, thank younfornthe great comparison. As you know I am planning with an Iwata Wider1L. Pobably younwere doing the video before you tested the Wider. Could you tell me on which position you would see the Wider1L and is the DV1s worth the double price of the Wider1. The answer is probably too complex and dependa on my needs but is there a major difference (except price) between the DV1s and Wider1? Best regards (and thanks again for your previous help with the required compressor output)

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Mate, The Wider1L uses quite a lot of air, so it would not make it too high in the ranking due to the way I set the criteria. The DV1S is a very good gun. It uses less air than the Wider1L but at a higher pressure, so there is more overspray. It really comes down to what your priorities are. What's the main thing you need?

[@marioweinberger9478]

My Main need ist for spraying smaller motorcycle (Horex & Vespa) parts (max size would be a motorcycle tank) and some spot repair. Being able to use it to paint some smaller furniture parts for my daughter (wooden parts with a surface of about 1 sqm) would be a great addition. I own a smaller kompressor with an Output of about 180l/min @6bar but I would be able to raise the output Up to 280l/min with an additional compressor. I just liked the idea of the small overspray the Wider1 Delivery since I only own a smaller garage. Best regards

[@peteshobbies5383]

@marioweinberger9478 If the low overspray is a priority, then the Wider1L would be the one to go for. The finish is really good, and it would speed up work on the bigger stuff compared to the LPH80

[@marioweinberger9478]

Thank you, Pete. Your comments are highly appreciated and confirm my descision (even if I still like the DV1s Reviews). Enjoy your Weekend!

[@peteshobbies5383]

@marioweinberger9478 Thanks, Mate , you're welcome 👍

[@ccfaes75]

Hey Pete, thank you for your informative videos, especially this one. I'm pretty new at spraying and bought a well reviewed gun off of Amazon that does a decent job but looking to step up my game to paint new saddlebags for my Road King and I'm making a few cabinet doors. After watching hours of videos from you and a few others I'm thinking that a mini gun is best for me as I won't be painting any cars or large panels and don't need a large spray pattern and my compressor puts out 8.5 scfm at 40 psi, 6.5 at 90. Mainly a few motorcycle parts and cabinet doors/frames. Although I will have to lay down some primer (and not against thinning it if I have to). I'm looking to spend under $250. Is there an all in one mini gun that can do primer, base coats and clear? It looks like the R160 might be a good option?

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Chad, the ANI R160 would be a good option in your price range as it will do all of what you want, you will know my views on all these guns as you have watched the video so i think you will be happy with the ANI

[@cynt1111]

Ideal wen i’m looking for a mini gun. How many guns do you actually own?

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Timmy, I have no idea really, it's obviously a lot but I haven't counted, I'm buying and selling them all the time these day's and as long as you buy them right, normally really good hardly used second hand one's you can sell them for the same as you paid and often more

[@alucardx3014]

what spray gun would you recommend for spraying electric guitars? (solid colors and clear coats). I have a 1.8HP 26 gallon air compressor that does 5.5 CFM at 40 PSI. I have tried a couple of full size HVLP guns but the compressor is not big enough it seems. They require around 12 CFM at 30 PSI or so but it seems every compressor capable of this would also require a 240V line which I dont have

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi buddy, I would suggest the Iwata LPH80, a very good fun, capable of great finishes and uses very little air, it won't cover ground as fast as a full size but is ideal for guitars

[@alucardx3014]

@@peteshobbies5383 appreciate the answer. One more question, if you dont mind: It seems most people buy many air regulators and fit one into every gun. What is the reason for this? what is the disadvantage of using just one regulator at the end of the hose and just have a quick connector on every gun instead ? so GUN > quick connector > regulator > hose rather than GUN > regulator > quick connector > hose

[@peteshobbies5383]

The main reason is the size of the tail. When you have a quick connector on the end of the gun and the regulator, it gets quite long and is ridge, especially annoying when doing car seals at the bottom of doors etc. I don't keep a regulator on each gun. That would cost a fortune with all the guns I have and would take up too much room as I store mine in zip up covers. The way i do it now, is simply screw a regulator on before you use each gun, it only needs to be hand tight so is quick and easy and keeps a short tail

[@Ziplock9000]

Can you recommend an electric / corded mini spray gun in the UK?

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi buddy, no, sorry, I don't know of any, unfortunately

[@BioMedUSA]

Great review!. May I suggest for each gun review in future videos, provide a very clear still images / 2-3 second video of the caps of each of these guns - that is such a critical part of the gun and helps users understand potential differences and correlation between cap design and performance.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi buddy, sounds like a good idea, I have started doing that on my individual reviews which will trickle through as they come out, thanks for watching 👍

[@JimmeeAnimAll]

Thank You for all videos comparing spray guns, they boosted me so much. From zero to hero :P May I ask, how would You compare Iwata LPH80 and Iwata Eclipse G5 ? They seems identical. Is there any significant reason to buy one over the other ? Thank You

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi buddy, thank you 👍 Although the body is the same as the LPH80, the G5 has a very different end cap, tip, and needle. The result is a much small, very fine spray on the G5

[@JimmeeAnimAll]

@@peteshobbies5383 thank You for such quick response and clearing up also this problem

[@JimmeeAnimAll]

@@peteshobbies5383 may I ask one more thing. What is going to happen, if one would hook up LPH80 to 3l compressor generating 25 lpm ? Iwata's website LPH80 manual says it needs 50lpm (if I read it correctly) .... but! what does it men for the user ? Can one still operate LPH80 but for shorter amount of Time, till compressor tank will fill up again, or is it not gonna work at all? Does it mean I might be stuck with G5 Eclipse ? P.S. I was hoping for LPH80 1mm nozzle

[@peteshobbies5383]

@JimmeeAnimAll Hi mate, the LPH80 consumption with E4 cap is 2.2cfm, so 62Lt per minute, the 50lts is with the E2 cap, the answer to your question is it would run but deplete you air tank very quickly so you couldn't run it at the correct pressure, having a steady air supply is critical to getting good results

[@JimmeeAnimAll]

@@peteshobbies5383 Mr Pete, thank You again for quick reply, really! But I'm one of these guys, always asking for more. Please help me coz I think I did something stupid and I think I need to reverse it asap. Resigning from LPH80, I've ordered ANI GF3, but I misread cfm ... is it possible its even more air hungry than Iwatas ?? I thought LPH was demanding, but this GF3 seems to triple Iwatas needs. Is it even possible ?? 🙏

[@walterwalters3069]

Hey Pete, I have question. Is your Iwata w 300 wb is the same model what is Gunman don't like it at all on his channel? Because he said his like HVLP but w300 did not! And, I'm looking to get new Kiwami W300 WB . Do you know anything about new model ? The problem is they don't have 1.2 tip....

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Walter, not quite sure what you mean, was he saying it's HVLP?, I haven't seen his review of the W300 but there are a few different guises, the one that i really like is the WB version particularly for HS clear coat, maybe he doesn't like it because it's not particularly fast? , yes, I have seen the Kiwami3, in fact I have just got one, as you say they are only available in 1.4 at the moment but I'm sure that will change, the 1.4 WB is a little too much for the air cap imo but I dial down the fluid a little and it's just like a 1.2

[@walterwalters3069]

@@peteshobbies5383 Thank you for respond. Gunman had a Blake edition W300 WB1 for review and he said it's No good for clear . Slow and not enough material... But what I see from you the spray gun is really nice. I have LPH300 1.4 and it's amazing for sealers!!!

[@peteshobbies5383]

@@walterwalters3069 Yes, that's the same cap, I find it's at it best with clear, it really atomises fine so you end up using less material for a great finish, it is quite slow but so are a lot of midi guns but perfectly usable and a great finish

[@strider0106]

Hi, Pete, thanks for getting back to me, my I ask where I can buy paint from. I'm just stating out and need a bit of information to get me started. The internet is so vast I'd rather be recommended to a store rather than guess. Many thanks.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Mate, are you in the UK?

[@strider0106]

@@peteshobbies5383 yes I'm in the UK

[@strider0106]

@@peteshobbies5383 Yes Pete, I'm in the Uk. I see that the ANI GF3 is sold out at the moment. I've purchased the Slim Xlite from Walcom

[@peteshobbies5383]

The Xlite is very good although it's a full size gun really, presumably you went for the 1.3 HTE? , I use a number of paint suppliers so I'll give you the links to them and you can go from there, nuagane.co.uk/ www.alloypaints.com/index.asp www.ebay.co.uk/itm/302434547306?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=JR-KjFgAQfK&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=v5EZyL9iR9-&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY www.advancedpaints.co.uk/

[@michaelthrelkeld212]

What would you recommend for a budget HLVP that has a 0.8mm tip?

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Michael, do you want HVLP? , if you want a cheaper gun, the ANI GF3 is ok

[@michaelthrelkeld212]

@@peteshobbies5383 yeah I’m spraying Cerakote and it calls for a HLVP with a 0.8mm tip running at 30psi

[@sabas7007]

Lph 80 What compressor do you use, brand and model?

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi buddy, I originally had a 50lt 14.5 cfm direct drive but these day's i have a 90lf 14.5 crm belt drive which is connected to the 50lt, so if needed i can leave both on at the same time, never needed with the small mini guns as they don't use much air with the exception of the Sagola Mini Xtreme

[@fredygump5578]

Which gun would be recommended for spraying clear on complicated surfaces? LPH 80? I am machining molds for carbon fiber parts, and I've found that clear is the idea sealer/ surfacer. But it is a trick because some of the molds have deep features that are difficult to coat with a regular size spray gun. It needs to be more like a large air brush.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Buddy, the LPH80 is a great little gun. What sort of size are the moulds? Let me know, and I will try and recommend something

[@fredygump5578]

​@@peteshobbies5383 Thanks! The largest is ~24"x24" and hight from highest to lowest point is 2" (600x600x50mm). But the majority of the molds are closer to 12"x12" (300x300mm). There are a variety of small grooves and channels that need special attention. I currently have the 3M performance gun that I can use for wider coverage, so the small gun doesn't have to do everything. (I just ordered the smallest tip they have for the Performance gun (0.9mm) just to try, but I have my doubts.)

[@peteshobbies5383]

@fredygump5578 The LPH80 sounds like it would be ideal as the areas you are covering aren't large. If you use a good or reasonable quality clear coat it will make the job easier as they flow out easier so you will need less material and stand less chance of any pooling in the areas with small crevices are.

[@fredygump5578]

@@peteshobbies5383 Thanks so much! A couple hours ago I felt lost on this subject.

[@peteshobbies5383]

You're welcome, buddy, It can be a bit daunting, but you had more or less sorted it out for yourself with the LPH80. They run at 1 bar , around 14psi, and give excellent fine atomisation at that pressure. As the spaces you are spraying aren't flat and are enclosed at the side, this low-pressure low overspray gun is absolutely ideal, if the molds were 4 times the size then its not the right choice , but you would also know that anyway so you had it all under control, cheers 👍

[@icebmwpower]

Pete, thank you so much for your outstanding video. You’re simply🥇🏆 *So, if I’m working in a garage with a poor air compressor, looks like the winner is IWATA W300, correct?*

[@peteshobbies5383]

Thank you Boyan, it really does depend on your compressor, the W300, and by W300 i mean the W300WB, uses a reasonable amount of air, if you really have a low volume of air the LPH80 or Sri Pro Lite is the way to go. It also, as you know, depends on how much you have to do as well as the compressor, please tell me more and i will try and help 👍

[@icebmwpower]

@@peteshobbies5383thank you felt your reply. To be honest, I’m just starting and didn’t have the compressor yet, so any advice will be highly appreciated. Long story short, I have the Iwata Eclipse (airbrush) with small compressor 2-4 bars for really really small repairs like scratches etc., so in the upcoming weeks I’m going to buy a mini spray gun and compressor for small local repairs (in my garage) and 1 panel paint job at a time (at most). Later on going for a full size spray gun and my choice would be SAGOLA 4600 w/Aqua/Clear or w/Titania (that’s was before I found your great channel, so we’ll see if I change my mind about it). As I said earlier any advice will be highly appreciated. *Thank you for your time and effort to educate us, your viewers.* 🙏

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Boyan, if you are just starting with the bigger stuff I would suggest getting a belt drive compressor if you can , more money but much quieter, something around 14cfm and a 50l or preferably more as a holding tank, especially if you plan on getting a bigger gun later. As for the gun with the above set up you will be able to power any of them for the work you intend to do so my choices would be exactly as per the video, so the Devilbiss DV1s or W300WB 1.2 if you have the money or Pro Lite S if your budget is more limited, don't forget to budget for a decent filter set as it's the most important thing to getting good results, far better to spend less on the gun and more on the filters, this may help 👍 kzbin.info/www/bejne/n3vdgHd4mqynoK8

[@icebmwpower]

@@peteshobbies5383, going to check the link now. *PS1. If you have time to share your TOP 3 full size spray guns it will be just awesome.* *Thank you very much your your time and inputs.* 🙏 PS2. Forgot to mention, no limits on the gun, compressor, filter and so on... I know it needs practice but with the cheapest gun/base/clear it will be “causa preduta”, so prefer the method “Buy ones, cry once” if make sense.

[@peteshobbies5383]

@@icebmwpower In that case all i said applies but i would try for a 100lt or more compressor, that should cover you for a bigger gun as well, and the Sagola Xtreme 4600 is a brilliant spray gun, with the Titania cap as an all rounder or Clear and Aqua caps if you can afford it 👍

[@vehiclesprayerssociety]

Buddy, try the new iwata Wider3 mini gun , the latest mini gun of iwata.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Yes, I'm getting one soon hopefully 👍

[@vehiclesprayerssociety]

@@peteshobbies5383 😍😍😍

[@Jaimerga]

Pete, your Iwata w300 is 1.3 nozzle??

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi mate, I've got a 1.2 and a 1.4 tip, they don't make the WB with a 1.3, the WB has the split nozzle and performs much better than the standard W300, it runs at 1.5 bar as well so low overspray

[@Jaimerga]

@@peteshobbies5383 Which do you recommend more, this w300 or the DV1 S.

[@peteshobbies5383]

@@Jaimerga The W300WB is my favourite, it uses more air than the DV1s and only comes with one tip but is faster although neither are that fast, DV1s is easiest to use though

[@markschuyler1824]

Hello folks.....I'm coming to the experts here to understand if my small compressor, which is labeled 1.6cfm@40psi or 1.0cfm@90psi and it has a 1 gallon tank (airbrushing art panels in my apartment 2nd bedroom) will support the Iwata LPH50-102 mini gun. I'm trying to find a mini that will let me clear coat art panels up to 3ft x 5ft? Any help is greatly appreciated...thanks

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Mark, Although the LPH50 uses the least air in this whole bunch, you are going to struggle with your current setup. You're just not going to have the air to complete your work given the size. If it was really small bits, I would think you would be ok but not the area you want to cover. Sorry 😉

[@markschuyler1824]

Hey Pete, thanks for such a speedy reply. So with my current compressor setup, is there anything you might recommend to lay down a nice med-wet, 50% overlap spray pattern of clear on the work. Could I slow down the LPH50 on each pass, giving the tank a bit of time to refill? Or do I risk a wet on dry application issue....hmmm....any hope for me in the mini-gun arena? Thanks Pete...your a class act.

[@peteshobbies5383]

@markschuyler1824 Yes, you should be able to slow it down enough, but you would need to take into account the temperature you are working in and the type of clear coat. So if it's a 2k the speed of the hardener and reducing agent you may use, if your using a 1k clear, you may struggle more as it's going to be purely dependent on temperature. You right in what you say. Holding a wet edge will be the hardest thing

[@markschuyler1824]

@@peteshobbies5383 .......I'm going to risk it and give it a shot....I plan on using the Createx Acrylic water-based clears for inter / top coats..so here's wishing me good luck and I thank you kindly from across the pond.......peace

[@peteshobbies5383]

@markschuyler1824 Good luck Mark, if I've not used the clear you mentioned, but normally water-based materials stay open longer as they take longer to dry, cheers mate 👍

[@danw7574]

Anyone know which size cap & needle he was using with the w300wb

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Dan, It was the WB cap with the 1.2 tip. This seems to be the best combination, although the 1.0 with the same cap is also excellent, just a bit less output. I also have the 1.4 and just slightly dial down the fluid as it seems to overwhelm the cap if you want the super fine atomisation these give, cheers 👍

[@mikelmorgan6409]

Have you ever used the astro eurohvt?

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Mikel, no, never used one , do you have one?

[@mikelmorgan6409]

@@peteshobbies5383 I just bought one. It should be here on Tuesday. I figured I should get a mini gun to paint small parts like wheels. I also didn't want to pay much. It cost me $101 usd with a 1.2mm tip

[@peteshobbies5383]

@@mikelmorgan6409 Be interesting to know what you think of it 👍

[@scottyoung2995]

Hi Pete Can you help me. i need a not very expensive gun ( not rubbish cheap ) to put on primer my projects are mostly small motor cycle parts etc so was thinking maybe not to bigger tip needed but probably dont know what im talking about :-( . I keep struggling to find something that puts primer down nicely bearing in mind that i have spoken to you before about i only have a 50lt compressor so mini guns are better so not so much air consumption. Cheers mate Scott

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Scott, for some reason no one seems to make a mini primer gun, I have modified a little £30 ANI GF3 to a 1.8 tip to cover such a need, are you wanting to spray high build primer? , reason i ask is high build primer needs a bigger tip, like 1.8 but primers that are what's called wet on wet, a silly name because you still have to let then go off are just like a pre base coat and don't need sanding, they will go through a smaller tip, obviously preparation needs to be good, let me know what type of primer and I'll try and help, cheers mate 👍

[@scottyoung2995]

@@peteshobbies5383 so i do use high build primers mainly because whenever i ask people for a primer they always point me to this. i wanted a primer for something i'm spraying at the moment which i didn't need high build so i asked the supplier he recommended a Lechler green TI turned out that is high build maybe you could give me a wet on wet primer to buy that would be helpful. I have a ANI R160 among other LPH80 guns that i use for a bit of everything but it only has a 1.2 tip and i can't buy any bigger tip for it as you can imagine it doesn't spray high build primer very well. So i suppose what i would like is a gun that i can get a 1.4 tip for this wet on wet primer should that be the right size please advise and a 1.8 tip for high build. this probably makes no sense to any one but me mate cheers once again for your patience in explaining things to me.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Scott, i don't normally use wet on wet as anything i do isn't in particularly good nick to start with, it's only really for something like a new panel or new fairing as it won't cover up marks and alow it to be sanded flat because there just isn't that much material on the surface. You can still use you high build primer just thin it down quite a bit, its not ideal but it will allow you to do what you want with what you have although i would buy a cheap ANI GF3 in 1.2 and just keep it for primer, not worth putting primer through the R160 or the LPH80, I think this will get you doing what you want to do, it's exactly what i do cause half the time i can't be bothered to get a full size primer gun out for small areas. Do you thin your HB primer out much at the moment?

[@scottyoung2995]

@@peteshobbies5383 I don’t because I was Not sure if I could and how much I could and still get adhesion. Can u tell me wet on wet to get please and another quick question for u is the pieces of interior car trim I am doing for my son is already silver just going to be a colour change so I still need to prime

[@peteshobbies5383]

@@scottyoung2995 Try this one, it's a wet on wet but will do some filling, www.ebay.co.uk/itm/234326740699?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=L6633eS1QI2&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=v5EZyL9iR9-&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY this goes through a 1.4 or 1.5 but add some thinners to it and it will go through a 1.2 no problem, you can get away with a fair amount of thinners so don't worry too much about over doing it, adhesion will be fine, you can get shrinkage but you will see that if you go too far, it's all about adhesion so if the trim you are doing has been scuffed up ok and there's no bare metal or plastic you can see then you won't need primer, just scuff up with scotchbright and spray

[@willgeee4824]

What is your best clearcoat pressure/bar..fan wide open

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Will, are we talking about a specific gun ?

[@willgeee4824]

@@peteshobbies5383 sorry,,,yes the w300wb 1.4.

[@peteshobbies5383]

On W300WB i go 1.5 bar and full fan, if it's 1.4 I cut the fluid back as it's doesn't like full fluid, it overwhelms the tip imo so i cut it back so about 75% of fluid comes out, from memory that's about 3 turns out, on the 1.2 and 1.0 full fluid

[@willgeee4824]

@@peteshobbies5383 thank you much,,,one of the best KZbinrs ...

[@peteshobbies5383]

@@willgeee4824 Cheers Will, thanks for watching 👍

[@kennethmaxwell5365]

Have you tried the 3M spray guns?

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Kenneth, no, i haven't, I really can't get my head round a plastic spray gun, they are supposed to work very well and i have only heard good things about them but they are not inspiring me to go out and get one, one day maybe 👍

[@overtimecuztompaint]

Bought my ego from Italy to us for 320 shipped

[@peteshobbies5383]

Yes, prp shop, unfortunately in the UK we have to pay duty, tax and a handling fee buying from there, it still works out cheaper but not by much

[@oscardarrell83]

how about Meiji FM II??

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi buddy, I haven't got one and never seen one, but as far as I know, it's a micro spray gun rather than a mini?

[@oscardarrell83]

@@peteshobbies5383 yes, it's discontinued, no longer available in the market. It has 0.8 nozzle, but i use it for my painting job for clear coat. It's similar to Meiji F55 i suppose.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Yes, it sounds like the F55, which I have and is very good, I will do a video one day on just the micro guns. I left them out of this video because they are only available in small tips, so they are not really comparable to these. The Meiji Finer Spot 1.2 is comparable, but I didn't have it at the time 👍

[@markam3489]

Pete, body of iwata w300 it smaller than w400 ?

[@peteshobbies5383]

Yes

[@markam3489]

Thanx. I buy iwata w400 but i'm searching other gan, smaller for spot repair, but cheaper. Maybe something from China, to 100 euros, maybe 150.

[@peteshobbies5383]

@markam3489 Look at ANI R160 or Iwata Airgunza AZ4

[@markam3489]

Ani 160 what size of tip? aircap Hvlp ? Hps?

[@peteshobbies5383]

@markam3489 The HPS is the version to go with, as to the size of the tip, it depends on what you want to do, 1.2 is a good compromise, here's the link to where I buy mine from, www.spraygunsdirect.co.uk/product/a-n-i-r160-q-spray-gun-hps-gravity/

[@ANDY-we7mr]

You got more guns 🔫 than spray guns direct 🤣 😂 bit disappointed to see the sata so far down

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Andrew, the Sata is a good mini gun but for me, ergonomically it's awful, the fan adjuster knob is always in the way of your thumb, it's reasonably well made but not the best here and it's spraying capabilites, although good isn't as good imo as some of the others so it just wasn't up there for me, hope your well mate, cheers 👍

[@mayanksharma924]

I Want a 1,2. 1,3. Nozal Gun i

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi buddy, most of the guns in this video are available in 1.2 and some 1.3 or 1.4

[@randymehrhoff2384]

I DONT THINK ANYONE HAS EVER DONE A ( TOP BEST MIDDLE GUNs??)! I THINK A LOT OF THE FINER FORCE WOULD FALL IN THAT CATEGORY? ANYWAY IT JUST A THOUGHT ?

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Randy, it depends what you mean by middle, middle as in size?, what I call midi, like the Finer Force or middle as in price? I try and think of buid quality, performance, and of course price in any evaluation as all are important

[@deanbrown7643]

Omg Pete if I was into breaking and entering I'd love to come across your shed lmao 🤣😅😅😗🤣

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Dean, yes, a few bobs worth there, my workshop in concrete, it's got a monitored alarm system and guns are away in site chests that are between 5 and 10mn thick , so you would have a job mate 👍

[@deanbrown7643]

@@peteshobbies5383 🤣🤣👍👍

[@user-un5my5bw4j]

For 15 months I used the Walcome Ego190 hte 0.7mm for cerakote and swore it was the best for cerakote. However the gun did not last. Leaking air from the cap and the rebuild kit didn't fix the problem, no one could really help me from walcom either plus at about $500 US dollars its very expensive and feel it should last atleast 5yrs of continuous hard use. So i switched all my guns over to Devilbiss DV1 for the fine finish and low air consumption

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi William, Sorry to hear that, I haven't had any problem with mine as far as reliability is concerned, although I don't use it that often. I always get the feeling with the Walcom Carbonio guns that they won't last long if used continuously, which sounds about right after listening to you. Sounds like the air valve assembly behind the trigger is letting air past. Where are you? Walcom should be able to supply the parts needed, which wouldn't be cheap but much cheaper than a new gun.

[@user-un5my5bw4j]

I tried reaching out to them and they wouldnt really help me much even after I felt I had a good relationship built with them. Im in Pennsylvania and their distribution headquarters here are in Rhode Island. I had their Xlight 1.8mm for primer, the 360 light base 1.3mm with two additional needle, nozzle, cap kits the 1.2mm and 1.4mm, I had the 360 clear gun, and the ego 190 0.7mm with two additional cap, needle, nozzle kits 1.0mm and 1.2mm. I was a little upset over it and the base gun and x light seemed like they weren't working as well as they were new. All 4 guns were HTE and the 3 DV1 guns have far less over spray, work at much lower pressure, and have a better finish. Should have got them to begin with because the the two 360 and 190 were very expensive.

[@peteshobbies5383]

@user-un5my5bw4j It really does amaze me how little time and respect manufacturers give their customers sometimes. You have spent a lot of money on equipment that actually costs them very little in the scale of things, and they won't help. The mentally is mind-boggling really as spend lots of money promoting and advertising there products trying to get new customers but lose the ones they have, doesn't make sense to me, at least your sorted now with the DV1s you have, thanks mate, appreciate the comments 👍