Top 25 Players in NBA History (Nos. 10-6): Is Steph Curry Top 10? Bird or Magic higher? | Nerd Sesh

The nerds have reached #10-6 in their rankings of the Top 25 NBA players ever! They discuss if Steph Curry has earned a spot, disagree strongly on Wilt vs. Russell, and dive into whether Larry Bird or Magic Johnson belongs higher all-time.
Timeline:
Criteria 0:00
4:45 Bill Russell
25:05 Steph Curry
36:55 Hakeem Olajuwon
42:47 Wilt Chamberlain
54:26 Shaquille O'Neal
1:01:53 Larry Bird
1:13:13 Magic Johnson
1:18:33 Tim Duncan
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[@atquinn1975]

Carson's Bill Russell analysis was the truth. Russell understood the assignment!

[@soulslayer434]

Yah nice to hear someone talking about what was needed to win. Russell should always imo be ahead of Wilt all time because of this.

[@wyattfriend7360]

We’ve been calling Kd the best scorer ever when there’s been an even more efficient scorer (Steph curry) next to him the whole time. Even last year KDs most efficient year, 60%ts on pull-up jumpers vs Curry’s 61%

[@PrinceSamurai45]

It is all because of the height. You want KD taking the shot because he is 6’11”. I agree though, Steph is still better.

[@coopercollins5076]

true shooting is everything bro and isn’t the best way to mark efficiency i could easily argue that kd has a higher fg% last year and career wise… the higher the fg% the more times you get to set your defense to add on curry takes a lot of threes meaning a lot of long rebounds so everytime he does miss the other team gets to push in transition which is why you need to tell the full story when talking about ts% also if you double curry he gets rid of the ball if you double kd he can just shoot over the top of the double he’s skillset is far more advanced with more variety when it comes to putting the ball in the hoop… not trynna take anything away from curry it’s just i am a massive kevin durant defender because of how casual steph n lebron fans have been trynna paint him ever since leaving okc when it’s like y’all never gonna see this type of skill with this height again EVER. people like to say how curry changed the game with more threes being taken… completely infactual curry changed the game by teams now accept shooting long ass threes are a good shot for some players however in total volume three point shots i think kd led the way in changing the game when kd came into the league the 4 or 5 man could never shoot since teams have seen how valuable spacing can be every 4 has to shoot and most 5s have to shoot unless there elite rim protectors… imo kd is the reason the volume of threes have gone up and steph is the reason deep threes have gone up. also it’s just analytics innit that plays an even bigger role than the both combined

[@wyattfriend7360]

@@coopercollins5076 nah bro.. 3 pointers require less shots so less possessions compared to 2 pointers. Also the rule of 3 pointers and free throws mattering less in the playoffs doesn’t apply to curry because he hits 3’s in the playoffs. That’s all I will say I’m not reading all that bro. If you double KD he’s screwed that’s what weve seen in the playoffs. Honestly don’t get me started the numbers for KD in the playoffs get much worse compared to curry the last two years. So the separation increases in the playoffs for these guys efficiency and that’s their whole career. Curry more efficient in the regular season, more efficient in the playoffs. What else is there to say? Kd doesn’t handle double teams or physicality as well as curry in the playoffs. Not even close. Curry and the warriors have been great at double teams for a long time by brother. Remember game 5 in the finals last year? You double curry.. you lose.

[@Colinkrauss1]

@@wyattfriend7360 if you double KD, you’re screwed? That hasn’t been true for like a decade.

[@wyattfriend7360]

The numbers tell me Larry B over Magic as individual players. Honestly that 27,7,10 on 50,40,90 for a 3 year stretch is one of a kind.

[@wyattfriend7360]

Great points idc about curry’s defense either. also he doesn’t get exploited like other players do past 2016. Many cases of teams trying and failing to exploit curry.. which almost works in golden states defenses favor 👀

[@MindfulAttraction2.0]

Harrison Barnes minding his own business and catching strays

[@deturkkdeturk8460]

HE HELD BOB PETTIS TO 1% LOWER THAN HIS AVERAGE 🤯🤯🤯

[@senanmckenna3235]

Bob Pettit is an all time great tbf

[@PrinceSamurai45]

Bob Pettit was an efficiency machine. He had a legit midrange shot which probably helped him avoid being hampered by Russell.

[@cannafarmer]

Could you imagine the level of play if the nba cut down to 8 teams?

[@tompratt7125]

Yeah, this is what I find so funny about the 'only 8 teams' argument. These are the same people that trash the pre merger and expansion periods for 'diluting' talent. Teenagers.

[@yourebreakingmyballs4787]

@@tompratt7125 Ratio. (i'm not a teenager) I'm 20

[@austingreen1274]

@@tompratt7125that’s not the proper way to analyze it. The NBA was not globally popular nor worth billions of dollars. So the difference now is instead of 8 highly competitive teams, there are 30 and about to expand to 32. The odds of even the best player in the league winning a ring decreases greatly with a heavy influx in talent.

[@AndYouAre]

@austingreen1274 In that 8 team league, there were never more than 4 highly competitive teams at the same time. The average salary was 10k per year, so there were many players who simply couldn't afford to play full-time. 3 teams paid their players more, while 2 teams actually couldn't afford a full roster ('57 to '64). If you were Uber talented, you played for the teams that could afford the extra perks. It was equivalent to how most high school teams are run today

[@davidsasse40]

In college and pros Russell was 19-0 in elimination games. Best winner of all time.

[@KleinpeterHank]

He was 19-0 in elimination games in the NBA. Averaged 15pts 27 rbs. If you count college from what I’ve gathered it goes up to 22-0.

[@fcld4466]

Against plumbers

[@AndYouAre]

If we strictly went with their rules, Bill could be top 6 of all time. That era's talent pool was extremely limited, so good players had great impact. If you are a good player, how hard was it to dominate in a league that had less than 100 players in it, only 2 to 4 total teams that actually had a chance each year, with never more than 8 good to great players to contend with. Now, the league has 450 plus players in it, at least 10 teams who start the season with a chance of winning, and the league consistently produces 75 good to great players to compete with. It's harder to win now, so I think more value should be added to players who have played in this league over the last 25 years. To me, Bill should be somewhere around #15, while guys like Steph or Kobe should be somewhere between #6 and #8. They had to contend against more great players and teams.

[@jasonwilliamconsulting]

​@fcld4466 Russell would still beat the brakes off of all the players on your favorite team in his prime.

[@IamnotfromUSA]

​@@fcld4466avarage height back then was 6'6 without shoes now it is 6'7 with shoes also I dont think Jerry West or Baylor where Plumbers or Wilt or Nate Thurmand or Billy Cuningham Walt Frazier or Big O th

[@soulslayer434]

Shaq 3 year playoff peak is arguably #1 all time. Only MJ and Lebron have arguments to be higher.

[@grapplerke]

Jokic is already more dominant than Shaq in one year peaks

[@NadavHbr]

@@grapplerkeI am not sure - Shaq was very dominant !!! Maybe you are young so let me tell you - three rings in a row. If the Joker gets two more - we can start talking

[@nathanyue7448]

you can't forget 03-05 duncan and 84-86 bird

[@IamnotfromUSA]

​@@NadavHbrokay

[@billhair9552]

People forget _ Shaq carried Kobe in their 1st finals. He tore up my Pacers

[@rocketfighter8]

There is this major fallacy among many NBA fans that it was easier for Bill Russell and his Celtics teams to win in the 1960's because there were only 8 teams or so in the league. If you took today's 30 teams and reduced them to 8 teams with each team taking turns drafting their players as they did back then, what is the possibility that one team out of those 8 today would win 11 championships in 13 years with an 8-peat like the Celtics? Also, by finishing at the top almost every year they would draft last. You can't say they were stacked. Other teams had Wilt, West, Robertson, Petit, Barry, Reed, Frazier, Lucas, Baylor, etc. Plumbers? NBA salaries were so low that many players were forced to take jobs during the off-season.

[@davidng8870]

I accept that as far as the 8 team argument goes. But that isnt the only argument. The league is simply stronger now. There is more money involved, players are professional and can spend all their time training, the talent pool is worldwide, they have the best trainers, nutrition, methods, etc. The understanding of the game is far better. This happens across all sports, for example in MMA the pioneers rarely make the GOAT lists even if they were dominant (like Megumi Fujii) because they were objectively not as good (understanding that greatness is a mixture of achievements and dominance within ones era but also a hypothetical extrapolation of how good they would be compared to others from other eras). With that in mind i think that analysts tend to overrate the earlier greats like Russell due to the understandable desire to pay respect to those who paved the way, some of whom are still with us. He expressed it far too harshly but there is truth in what JJ Reddick said on this topic

[@subMJM]

The game wasn't global yet, and the money blowing up made more people want to try and be good at it. My problem is Bill Russell played 165 playoff games while someone like Larry Bird played 164, but one is an 11 time champion while the other only went to the Finals 5 times as a comparison. One had to win 8-10 games on the path to a championship, while as early as the mid 80s, you needed 15-16 to win. More games means more risk for injury, and shorter off seasons. There was also no salary cap until 1984, so certain teams could stack their roster, which is harder to maintain today with the luxury tax, and guys wanting to get paid. Imagine the Kevin Durant Warriors staying together for 13 years, staying healthy, and starting in the conference finals every year. That was the Bill Russell Celtics.

[@senanmckenna3235]

⁠@@davidng8870there is truth in it but there is also the other hand where you think about what the all time great players back then would be like with all the modern luxury’s. The bigger stronger faster argument doesn’t hold up in my opinion because we simply don’t know and I think with bill and wilt especially they are generational Athletes like a lebron giannis, and I don’t think they get treated as such becuase they obviously could not work on their bodies the same way modern athletes could. Skill is another thing that as you said in your mma comparison just gets better and better, but it does evolve with the rule changes and new tactics and I think someone like bill Russell would be able to evolve with the game as using his iq, this may seem like a hypothetical but I think it should be factored in

[@KiLlACaMrOn94]

@@davidng8870pioneers almost always make the GOAT list. They may not be number one, but they’re still put up there where they belong.

[@KiLlACaMrOn94]

@@subMJMthe salary issue is a nonstarter, guys did not move around like they do now, especially the big names. The injury topic is laughable because they were all injured at some point together (Steph, Klay, KD), so 13 years with them together would certainly have many more injuries.

[@realtalk8544]

Steph Curry is an anomaly to these all time greats especially hm being the only small non-athletic is this pool of common big players like super athletes. Steph looks like a normal everyday person. you can have all the criteria and what not, but watching a full game will show you how much Steph bring to the table that stats cannot define.

[@soulslayer434]

I honestly have Wilt outside of my top 10. (11 or 12). I just can't have him above Steph or Shaq w/ his Mostly limited offense for most of those years. Prime Shaq and Steph make their teams better. He is a better defender but in an era where it is a little easier to just be considered a good defender. Its like being a good offensive player in todays era. A lot of good scorers but u know who the truly elite offensive players are (Steph, Jokic, Lebron).

[@thebxsavage]

😂

[@modgmodg6987]

😂

[@UnionWorkersNBA2K]

😂

[@LuisLRC]

😂

[@Dottor_J]

Not a bad argument, the elite statpadder had the benefit of a very fast inefficient era and he was terrible in the playoffs

[@HypocritesExposd]

LeBron got 4 rings. He won one championship without another top 75 player of all time with him (2016 Cleveland). LeBron got to the Finals with Wade four times (lost twice) and got to the Finals once with AD. Kobe got 5 rings. He won one championship without another top 75 player (2009). Kobe lost in the Finals with three other top 75 players on the roster (2004; 2 were about to retire though). Shaq got 4 rings. He won zero championships without another top 75 player. Curry got 4 rings. He won two championships without another top 75 player of all time (2015 and 2022). He got to the Finals three times with KD (lost once, but KD was injured in the only game he played in those Finals). All impressive and interesting facts. Correction: Kobe won TWO championships without another top 75 player of all time (2009+2010). That’s wildly impressive.

[@nathanyue7448]

Klay Thompson not top 75 of all time?????? That was a whole meme back in 2021 of him being scammed and ranked like 76-78th or smth when he should have been top 75 easily. Then he won another title, being the second highest PPG scorer going 38.5% and another 2 20ppg regular season. I think its pretty clear he's top 50 of all time now. And who on the 2010 Lakers championship team is top 75 of all time???? Ron Artest aint top 75...

[@billsikes4007]

Kobe is the only one to win multiple championships without a future hall of famer.

[@HypocritesExposd]

@@nathanyue7448 FACT is he’s not on the top 75. I agree that he should’ve, but it’s a plain and indisputable fact that he’s not. And yeah I forgot Kobe won two chips with Gasol, so he actually won two chips without anyone in the top 75 all time. That’s MIGHTY impressive that maybe all other champs can’t claim.

[@HypocritesExposd]

@@billsikes4007 huh? Gasol is not too 75 all time but I’m pretty confident he’ll get into the HOF.

[@nathanyue7448]

@@HypocritesExposd i mean when next top 75 releases klay will be up there of course but yeah.

[@larrylegend545]

Carson calling out Logan for having irregularities throughout his list when you can say the same about his makes me laugh

[@nathanwalker6284]

Such as?

[@larrylegend545]

@@nathanwalker6284I mean you can watch and see for yourself without having me to explain it to you like a child. But I’d say him repeating that he values peak over longevity contradicts his list

[@nathanwalker6284]

@@larrylegend545 He said peak over longevity but if players have similar peaks longevity takes precedence. Give actual examples instead of just saying “watch the video!” as if I haven’t already. Burden of proof is on you not me

[@larrylegend545]

@@nathanwalker6284 fair, given his criteria how does it make any sense to have Chris Paul at 21 and to have D Wade at 25? That was the first I saw that I thought he contradicted his self

[@larrylegend545]

@@nathanwalker6284he’s said the most important thing is how much are you contributing to winning at the highest level yet a guy like Isiah Thomas who won two chips in a crazy era doesn’t even make his list but cp3 does who repeatedly failed in the highest stages. Both of their lists are all over the place but I just think it’s funny he’s the only one who’s keeps giving the other one shit. And lastly both of them having Kobe at 12 should pretty much sum up this whole list

[@IamnotfromUSA]

Wilt against Bil Russell in 1962 scored 37.4 points per game against everyone else he scored 50+ points per game does Logan Realise that.

[@gracej4306]

I feel for Carson here 😅

[@sgprince06]

great video...just curious how old are yall?

[@jKRONKitup]

Hell yeah boys let’s go

[@lukaglavas2697]

Logan, when asked about Magic Johnson's defense, you said - well yeah, but he's the top five best offensive player of all time. Okay, but they the same goes for Bill Russell's offense - it was limited, just like Magic's defense, but instead being a 'top-five' on the opposite side of the ball, he is arguably THE number one defensive guy EVER, at least in terms of his impact. If you're disregarding Magic's defensive limitations because of his offensive prowess, then you have to disregard Russell's offensive limitations because of his defensive prowess. Or, is it that you simply value offense more than defense? For the record, I do have Magic way above Russell on my personal list, I'm just stating that your argument here is invalid. You guys are still doing a great job, keep it up! 😄

[@j.ryancowley6983]

Next time guys have a lead in episode where you settle on the criteria. The list aren’t fully comparable without matching criteria. Longevity should never be used when comparing different eras. Players make more now thus have more money to take care of themselves, people in general take care of themselves better now, sports medicine has evolved, medicine in general has evolved, the athletes themselves and what is required from a pro athlete has evolved etc. it can be a cliff note amongst immediate peers of the same era but that’s about it. Steph being his size and doing what he does Should have him in everyone’s top ten. Recruiters always say you can’t teach size, it’s genetics. Steph overcame that with skill, won 4 rings should have 2 fmvps, Tyron lue dared kd to beat them while throwing janky defenses at him because kd wasn’t proven yet. He did and it’s history but Steph haters use that. Steph also has two rings without having another top 75 player all time.

[@willzsportscards]

Did homeboy really use the word 'lumbering' to describe Hakeem? I watched his whole career. So light on his feet. Come on man.

[@franklinrodriguez6697]

They are born 1999 and 2002 respectfully

[@juanramondejesus8606]

Russell won 8 of 11 rings winning two rounds, I can't give that same flowers comparing with 80's-present playoff run.

[@_JustReal_215]

I got magic over bird because of magics versatility, he could play every position at a high level

[@roychou8479]

So say the two rings steph got with KD not that valuable, what about those 3 chips Shaq had with Kobe and those 5 rings KAJ and Magic got together?

[@KiLlACaMrOn94]

Yes.

[@ZLT_Zerok]

They mentioned that. Having a peak KD on that dubs squad is vastly different than Magic and Kareem. They’ve mentioned the Steph and KD stuff before as Steph was able to pull the dubs to the finals 6 of 8 years since 2015. They did discredit a bit for Steph being a 1a1b type situation during the 17-18 seasons. But Steph pushed 15,16,19 (after KD injury), and 22. Kareem was not at his peak for atleast 2-3 of those rings and magic was the driving force behind 4 of those teams as they mentioned. Kobe and Shaq was mentioned in the previous episode as they discredited Kobe a little bit since he wasn’t the #1 option. Shaq was too much of a dominant force during that 3 peat that he isn’t discredited as much for that span.

[@juanramondejesus8606]

I have nine criteria for my top 77: Accolades Impact on Team Stats Eye-Test Prime/Peak Longevity Playoffs Performances Influence Context

[@HypocritesExposd]

This dude put Curry at 13, blaming his average defense, saying he values two way players more and the proceeds to put Magic at 6… who was an average defender…

[@manboo111]

your volume is low please record with higher volume

[@juanramondejesus8606]

I'm learning English. Can y'all write me criteria? I understood a lot but missed some words.

[@juanramondejesus8606]

8-teams era vs. 23-30 teams era +80s-present).

[@mattwhitely1067]

In 2022 in the nba finals klay averaged exactly what he averaged in every other nba finals no need to lie

[@reecewilliams8349]

You can't credit Duncan with all that. Popovich was the reason for all the consistency of the team and team defense.

[@sportsandstuff99]

Pop's coaching until like 2007 was give Tim Duncan the ball on the block, and defensively force the ball towards Tim Duncan and no corner 3s. People assume Pop in 2014 is the same level of coach in 2003, its just not true. Duncan is the single driving force of the Spurs dynasty.

[@quadavis4]

How do you put Nikola Jokic ahead of Giannis???

[@whosappman]

Ya having wilt over bill is nuts🤣😭

[@benjaminan1183]

50:28 Lmao

[@UnconventionalReasoning]

"Players are going to get better in terms of skill and athleticism." [5:45] Why do we think athletes get more athletic? Evolution over 2-3 generation? A mistake with the Bill vs Wilt discussion is to ignore the coaches. Today, we may expect players to figure it out on their own, because they have so many tools available, especially film and historical precedent. For Bill and Wilt, there were a few exceptional big men before they joined the league, but there was limited video record of their games. The players and coaches were basically inventing the wheel. And Red Auerbach is a Mt Rushmore coach. Bill also had consistency in his teammates, so having the best team defense for those dozen years was much easier.

[@Colinkrauss1]

I think it’s less about human being’s athleticism growing over time and more about how it’s been weaponized/perfected. Are Russ and Ja THAT much more athletic than guards pre-2000? Maybe not. But players just never looked like that on the court. In terms of skill, there’s no question at all that the average and peak skill of players is way way higher.

[@UnconventionalReasoning]

@@Colinkrauss1 Yes, "skill" is higher, because players can see what past players did and optimize it. Sneakers are also better. And players take wider stances, which allows for more athletic moves, but also increases the chance of injury. Conveniently, sports medicine is better, so injuries which were career ending might only be season ending now.

[@Colinkrauss1]

@@UnconventionalReasoning well yeah… so that’s why he said athletes get more skilled and athletic. Because for all intents and purposes, they’re more skilled and athletic now than ever.

[@UnconventionalReasoning]

​ @Colinkrauss1 Athletes are more injury-prone. Let's talk about that more instead.

[@Colinkrauss1]

@@UnconventionalReasoning doesn’t really seem relevant, but the eye test says that’s probably true

[@juanramondejesus8606]

Why accolades isn't so important?

[@christophergooding9820]

Magic was point blank the Lakers best player in 82?

[@nicholasbarrientos2206]

Carson you said Logan has double standards when it comes to Bill Russell, yet you have Jokic over Giannis and Curry over Kobe???? in your last video you called Kobe an overrated defender and said that name players got all defense selections when they didn't deserve it.. so i agree Kobe was a bit overrated defensively but only a little.. lets say what 3? you want 4 of his selections were "wrong" that's still EIGHT more than Curry.... offensive rating and efficiency don't matter more than 2 way value, especially when Kobe is still a top 10/15 offensive engine all time. you devalued 3 of his rings bc he was 2nd fiddle to Shaq, however, Curry won 2 rings with 4 hall of fame all stars... and his 2015 team is better than either of Kobes 09 or 10' teams.. you guys love fun facts, Kobe has eliminated the most 50 win teams in the playoffs (26 times (TD 2nd with 23)) not to mention he came straight out of high school and dominated for 20 years and has olympic accolades, maybe Curry will finish higher, but not yet.

[@jsox1109]

Bird & Magic are tied for Number 1- They made the NBA what it is today- every NBA player today should thank both of them- Their College Final game most watched game in basketball!!!

[@drdisrespect3000]

they may have made the NBA what it is today, or be part of that, but that stat alone means nothing in this ranking. we talking about skill and yes they were still skilled and idk where I would put them, but being that rivalry does not make them a top player. they could be #1 for being the most influential.

[@rackball5858]

It wasn’t just Bird & Magic that saved the NBA. It was the rebirth of the greatest rivalry of the 60’s that saved the league. That coinciding with Jordan basically taking the league by storm in 84-85 gave the league a shot in the arm & with it, eventually going global.

[@reecewilliams8349]

Kobes peak was higher and longer than bird and in a better defensive era. Plus he had more chips. Birds 3 mvps in the only different thing but they were arguable.

[@juanramondejesus8606]

Steals and blocks weren't registrered.

[@kod5660]

But teams matter Bill had like 8 HOFers on his team in an 8 team League..

[@KiLlACaMrOn94]

So did many of the other teams.

[@IamnotfromUSA]

You are actually not realising that they got indacted into Hall of Fame 20+years aftter their carear ended and you also dont understand that the team had from avg at 3 seasons to bad offense for 7 to worst in league 3 years of hes carear their defense won the championships and the Celtics defensive Raiting Chart looks like Bill Russell Aging Curve where at 62 the Celtics had best defensive team of all time when he was at hes peak which got him MVP over Wilt who scored 50 ppg and Big O who got Tripple double that season . BTW Russell at 67 was already out of hes prime like 2020 Lebron or Messi now.

[@IamnotfromUSA]

Actually Wilt had a lot better HOF teammates

[@kod5660]

@@IamnotfromUSA not true

[@kod5660]

@@IamnotfromUSA Bill played in an era with 8 teams as well in a lot of sports there were dynasties when there were a lot less teams. They did not factor this in of course but players by far are better now than ever before. One claim that bill would be the greatest defender ever even in this era is ludicrous.. Also they ended up putting MJ number 1 which ok but MJs teams went 57 wins and then he left they went to 55 wins they were title contender knocked out on an erroneous call against the knicks the same knicks who went to the NBA finals and lost in 7 so the bulls minus MJ were among the title contenders.. He never lifted a team that was not already the favorite. The Bulls fell off more when Horace Grant left then they replaced him with HOFer Dennis rodman.. Anyway I digressed I just disagree with how they did the list and some key points they try and make that are absolutely ridiculous like saying Bill would be the best defender even today..

[@justinyadao744]

if curry gets another ring put him at 7 and put him above magic

[@leebrandt8597]

It's usually ignorance from younger fans who put Larry Bird as low as 7 or 6 on the all time list. Larry had the highest MVP vote share of the 80s over Magic, Jordan and Kareem. Larry was named top 5 player ever by these players: LeBron, Kobe, Jordan, Magic, Bill Russell, Chamberlain, Kareem, Michael Cooper (best defender of the 80s), James Worthy (who said he'd rather guard MJ than Bird). And guess what? I'm a Lakers fan. Always have been, and I still put Larry above my beloved Magic

[@PrinceSamurai45]

Wilt is not in my top 10 at all. He is great, one of the greatest athletes and talents ever. He just never put it together. The fact that Bill dominated him in that era drops him out of my top 10 and puts him below Bill, Shaq and Hakeem for me.

[@RetroNBA42]

Steph Curry over Bill Russell is an absolute disgrace.

[@Nidhogg]

neither of them had steph over bill…

[@reecewilliams8349]

Russell's number 1 defenses aren't as impressive when every defense is top 10

[@KiLlACaMrOn94]

That’s actually a really bad competitive take. THEY WERE NUMBER ONE, by a WIDE margin. He did this for 11 of his 13 years in the NBA, that’s mighty impressive.

[@IamnotfromUSA]

​@@KiLlACaMrOn9412 actually

[@dvdv8197]

Warriors 2024 Champs!! 👍👏🔥🔥🥳🥳

[@billhair9552]

Wilt stopped scoring_ cuz he wanted to win. Then_ he became the only non point guard to lead league in assists.

[@PurpleImpactStrategies]

You guys leave off so many greats ..or have them too low Frazier Monroe king

[@juanramondejesus8606]

Yes! 40-60s are overrated! Teams averaging +70 rebounda cuz FG% in the league was nasty.

[@kod5660]

If Peek is so valued to not have Kawhi in your top 25 you have to be kicked out.. Because Peek Kawhi is almost as good as anyone that ever has played the game of basketball and would be in the top 10 let alone the top 25..

[@maxwatkins7032]

He did have Kawhi in

[@kod5660]

@@maxwatkins7032 One did and one didnt.. I honestly dont know there names but from our view the one on the right hand side did not have kawhi in his top 25 from what I could tell..

[@tompratt7125]

Surprised Shaq and Duncan were this high. Agree Magic marginally better than Bird. Again appreciate the effort to highlight the great guys from earlier eras. Saw Wilt in person when he was in SF and no way to describe what a complete beast this guy was. Amazing athlete that would have had a much wider skill set had he played during later eras while dominating. No question in my mind.

[@jwatson181]

Magic was worse in every way than Bird!

[@tompratt7125]

Thanks for that intelligent and reasoned take. Wow. Drinking heavily I assume. @@jwatson181

[@KiLlACaMrOn94]

Very much disagree with the sentiment of Magic being any bit better than Bird.

[@soulslayer434]

Duncan is weird because he is mr consistency but its arguable that he was never the best Scorer, Defender or Passer over any 3 year span.

[@nathanwalker6284]

Best defender from 03-05. Only KG has a case over him

[@soulslayer434]

@@nathanwalker6284 yah he prob was the best defender at some point but there were a lot of great defenders at the same time. He was prob always top 3 for like 15+ seasons which is impressive.

[@RetroNBA42]

So Russell is at 10 because his peak but you have Wilt and Hakeem under Duncan and Magic who are clearly better peaks than them?

[@ShadowWizard224]

These are my top 10 all time: MJ Kareem Wilt Bird Magic Lebron Shaq Kobe Duncan Curry

[@jennyfromjapan]

logan's wearing a cap for a reason 🧢 you're trippin if you think bill russell was "offensively limited"; you may have the stats but you simply don't understand the context. and i'm not arguing to pull bill higher into your top 10 list, but carson is objectively correct on this - bill was focused on WINNING. "he drove winning more than any other player in nba history....but BiLL's OffEnSiVe LiMiTaTions". 🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢 you go ahead and take wilt with 2 championships; i'll take bill with 11.

[@jennyfromjapan]

"i VaLuE wHaT WiLt Did. BiLL cOuLdN't Do WhAt WiLt Did." wilt couldn't do what bill did. 2 rings vs 11. 🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢

[@tompratt7125]

Russell couldn't make a shot outside of 5 feet in his career. To be fair, shooting percentages then were laughably bad which is part of the reason Russell and a lot of other older era players had such unbelievable rebounding numbers. Let's just say there were a lot of rebounds to be had.

[@brucecox7735]

I feel that if Wilt would have gone to the Celtics and had the great coach, then there would be absolutely no debate of how great he truly was.

[@KiLlACaMrOn94]

That’s the same bs argument people do with Rodgers to the Patriots. It’s not true.

[@IamnotfromUSA]

I disagree because I actually think Bill Russell would have won the league anywhere because he has 40% higher defensive win shares then Hakeem the Dream. Just imegine being 40% better then hakeem on defense.

[@SomethinViciousinc]

Gives Steph shit for two rings with KD but Magic didn’t win a single ring without a consensus top 3 player of all time as his teammate lmaooo embarrassing basketball talk.

[@Yurrrpp]

Not just that, but all the best teams were also east coast at the time. No one was realistically beating that LA team in the west when they were healthy. Much like no one was beating the 16-17 warriors. But let’s just ignore that 🤦‍♂️

[@ralphchamberlain7202]

kareem was no star at all by 87-89... magic got them to three straight finals... then another in 91... no question 17-18 warriors were more overpowered...

[@savonsanders3955]

​@ralphchamberlain7202 Stop the cap. In the 87 season Kareem still averaged 17 PPG. Magic still had Worthy and Scott. Don't remember how long Copper was part of the crew but he was a top perimeter defender

[@SomethinViciousinc]

@@ralphchamberlain7202 how many rings he got without Kareem as a teammate? Asking for a friend.

[@kod5660]

Once again in 2022 they won a finals game with steph playing BAD.. So the talent was pretty damn good better than most stars that carrry a championship team you do not win a game if your bad normally.. Now is Steph top 3 undeniable no.. Its arguable.. Number 1 Jokic Number 2 Giannis.. Number 3 Is Steph or Durant or Luka and out of the discussion is obviously Kawhi who would be in position for 2 or even 1 if he could stay healthy..

[@RIPJimmyA7X]

People need to realize the difference between playing bad and shooting bad, Curry didn't play bad in game 5 he actually played extremely well his 3 ball just wasn't falling but he did all the other little things that actually make him the winner he is

[@kod5660]

@@RIPJimmyA7X Listen Curry has to score to play well.. He can still draw defence to him but if his buckets are not falling he is playing bad because Curry does not have other ways to score like he can drive occasionally do floaters but he does not have a way to bully to the basket if his shot is not falling and he is not a great defender and I am judging him by top 25 here and most of those guys if they were the number 1 option on a team and had a game like Curry did in game 5 the team does not carry them to victory.. It just shows the talent level around Curry..

[@soulslayer434]

Boston changed their whole game plan to stop Steph after game 4. Thats why they won with him having a "bad" game. They basically let other players get free points.

[@RIPJimmyA7X]

@kod5660 most of the rest of the top 25 don't impact the game beyond the box score like Curry. Just ask Kerr about Stephs impact he still has despite his 3 not falling, casuals think he's only 3s and pretty numbers. His impact goes so far beyond that

[@kod5660]

@@soulslayer434 They did put more pressure on steph but his team mates scored they didnt jut get free points we have seen them go off before Klay for instance saved their season in 2016 in game 6 against OKC.. The point is Steph has not always been the driving force for a win even without KD there they got wins when Steph effectively gets shut down.. And steph is not even the main playmaker on the team thats Draymond.. And yes he opens the court for them more and 2022 was his best finals performance by far but he has had a extremely talented team that at times can carry him.. Just like the team could win without KD.. Now minus KD that team is not carrying an entire series without Steph or Steph playing that bad but even one game can be massive.

[@westbronco9066]

Get Wilt off the list, he’s such a fraud

[@ChrisHasbrook]

TRUE fans and historians hold defense and offense in the same breath, to the same standards. "Magic was 1 of the best offensive players ever" right after saying Russell was THE best defensive lmao

[@user-js7mo3wy4z]

This is why nerds shouldn’t talk basketball 😂😂

[@rlmalonzo1184]

Why? They actually made a great analysis and give different perspectives. I rather hear them talk about basketball than some of the media guys that are cringe and corny that would a guy over a guy because the other guy is more flashy and have more "mental edge or killer mentality" whatever those means lmao And I'm not even talking about the GOAT debate, in general those big media guys just pushed agenda because they want the more flashy players.

[@user-js7mo3wy4z]

@@rlmalonzo1184 yeah true when comparing to big media but in general the way they are analyzing basketball is funny to me. A lot of nonsense numbers and terms 😁

[@rlmalonzo1184]

@@user-js7mo3wy4z well I agree, sometimes I hate too many numbers as well. That's why I love TTW at times, they can have objective debates without the complicated advance stats

[@deturkkdeturk8460]

I heard them say “he led a top seven offense six times in a row” like bruh what is that prime cherry pick lmao

[@kod5660]

8 teams for Bill and you know the talent was nowhere near what it is.. If he was in todays league would he be a good defender probably but man he would have to cover way more of the court..

[@maxwatkins7032]

The players bill played with are completely overrated, they were a much worse team before and after him

[@arou_nation01]

Sooo disrespectful to not have Kobe Top 3!! Smh literally has the greatest mentality in nba history..

[@benjaminan1183]

For me right now: 6. Kobe 7. Shaq 8. Steph 9. Magic 10. KD

[@malinallitekpatl1]

I'd take Steph Curry over Bird and Magic.

[@gledatelj1979]

Duncan can't be top 10.He couldn't shoot at all and was doing that ugly glass shot. He always had guards that bailed him out. His advanced stats were also mediocre.

[@sean24833]

He's top 10 but he's closer to 10 than 5 for me

[@PurpleImpactStrategies]

Don't post again

[@drdisrespect3000]

having steph in the top 10 is criminal... yall over hype this man... yea he is great but not top 10, id say kobe would be better than steph all round.