TOP 3 - Real Flying vs. Condor 2 Simulator

[@redbearrc6706]

That downhill flight above the road in realtime was awesome. Must have looked quit impressive from the ground seeing you flying. But I think nobody was watching ;-)

[@mrradman2986]

Fantastic to see such closely match real vs simulator flights. At 60 I'm wondering if it's too late to get into gliding but it's nice to know there is the option of some pretty realistic simulators now to give you the experience.

[@RumMonsta]

Never too late mate, we have a number of students at our club who are in their mid sixties. Just find your local club and attempt to commit aviation.

[@rodsilva80]

Never too late until you die. Go and get some lessons.

[@GlideYNRG]

Never too late. I've just returned after a 30 year"break" and finally got back to it in my mid 40s. Loving every minute of it but the best thing of all is being with a group of like-minded people from all walks of life. So much more to a club than just flying too. My next choice is to move closer to concentrate more on the flying.

[@Zeb-zh4lh]

I’ve been wanting to get into gliders for some time now. This simulator seems like a good start. Can you recommend a glider cockpit setup for home?

[@cloudsweeper3936]

The real thing is beyond words. The simulator is quite realistic. Stay safe!

[@SteFly]

Thank you! I think Condor looks really realistic if you are not flying so close to the terrain. The physics and scenery in general is amazing and it so much fun to fly at locations, which you already know from real life.

[@zendesigner]

The physics are very realistic, the scenery is still 90’s crap. Been waiting for 13 years for signifant improvements. The owners simply dont want to put in the investment. Its only due to the efforts of the community that this thing is still being used. Of course MS2020 put the bar nog so high they will never be ablo to reach that.

[@ericoschmitt]

@@zendesigner it is really a matter of time for the gliding sim community moves to MSFL2020. Graphics and physics are all there just waiting for the gliders and online event/races. There are simple things such as save state while single player that are missing in Condor 2, it just frustrates me often. Nevertheless the physics and weather are great.

[@noelwade]

​@@zendesigner - I have worked in the video games industry off and on for 20 years, and I think you are vastly underestimating the amount of labor it takes to put together high quality scenery that looks good down low. Many video-game studios that work on products with high visual fidelity have staff that number in the hundreds, nowadays. Condor is an effort by just a handful of people and they cannot expect a level of sales that supports dozens and dozens of artists. Yes, we would all love for it to be as pretty as MS Flight Simulator, or major "AAA" video games. But that just isn't feasible for a product with so few customers. The good news is that they have made the tools to create landscapes/sceneries and models freely available, so if you want things to get better you are welcome to grab the tools and help out! :-)

[@zendesigner]

@@noelwade there has been times where they even haven’t responded to people having a license issue, simple basic support stuff. Shows how much they care. Im in IT also , i know how much work it is. The point is if you cant be bothered to support your own product, stop cashing in the 50€ and make it open source. Im sure many devs in the glider community will the rise up to make it a ton better. Just like they do now with landscapes. But no the community even worships these buggers. I waited 7 years for a multi monitor setup, its coming, its coming. Go look at the forum there are some posts of me from 2007, when condor 2 finally came it was the same thing just with a better pay your planes now also model... ridiculous

[@no-engine-no-cry]

Reality wins.

[@jejekk5880]

obviously

[@ilvittorio5306]

no shit

[@Keon_MkIX]

There is also a price difference

[@matthewseneris6095]

is it

[@floatingchimney]

@@Keon_MkIX In real life, you also cannot restart your "game" after you crash into the ground LOL.

[@roryonabike5863]

Note that Condor requires both Bootcamp/Windows on a Mac and an Intel CPU, whose CPUs Apple is in the process of replacing.

[@johnfoster1201]

Very nice comparison. Thanks. You need to try flying Condor in VR now (or are you doing that in this video?). It would be interesting to see the comparison flying in South Africa (the Cape) that you did. There is a landscape for it, I think, but I haven't tried it yet.

[@robwad1]

Hi Stefan, Thanks for the brilliant vids. Can you tell me which Condor Landscape this is...I need to have a go !!!

[@SteFly]

The landing was at Pavullo airfield, which is included in the AA2 landscape. Both other flights were in Bosnia and Herzegovina. The landscape is called Baltic

[@go_gliding]

Now you just need to do an updated version with the same flights in Condor 3!

[@archivist17]

Looks excellent! The real flying was superb, though.

[@TheSoaringChannel]

It just goes to show how accurate the wind, thermal and flying models are. The graphics? Man. If they could get some MSFS2020 like graphics then I wouldn't even bother with MSFS becauseI hate the flight model on MSFS.

[@SteFly]

Someone told me, that I was not flying with all settings to max. So it will definitely improve with the other settings and usually you don´t fly as close to the ground as I did here ;)

[@TheSoaringChannel]

@@SteFly it's a shame MSFS is an arcade game now. My first flight lessons were on MSFS95.

[@LarsHofman]

Condor does not have top of the line graphics but for a virtual environment it is very well made and, very important, very high performance (fps) even on lower end PC's. I have a mid/high end computer and the VR headset Quest 2 and can say it is the best flying experience possible without leaving the ground. I'm speaking of the original landscape by the way, personally I do not like google earth like landscapes with flat buildings.

[@wout123100]

@@TheSoaringChannel it has always been that way. addons can make it better tho.

[@InternetGoldMiner]

@@LarsHofman x plane has pretty good glider stuff

[@ascherlafayette8572]

I recently started taking glider lessons and I'm a total die hard flight simmer. I hope with the help of Condor 2 I'll be up and soaring on my own in no time.

[@kennylenzser3928]

For the low landing you took more risks in real life than in condor haha

[@SteFly]

It was to scary in Condor to fly so low :D

[@archivist17]

It does seem to be much harder to judge height AGL in Condor.

[@edkhan785]

Speed;)

[@TommyOlsson]

Beautiful Stefan. Just love it. Where is the location for the mountain low pass?

[@gentlemanner]

Very cool video idea!

[@IgorVolkov]

Super!

[@skyhigh776]

If only we could have Condor 2 flight dynamics and weather engine combined with MSFS 2020 visuals!

[@jay6817]

Can't wait for November 2022 Glider support, MSFS2020

[@vidge123]

isn't it a bit too cold for shorts up there?

[@ericoschmitt]

I wonder why there are no hang gliders flying around in 2nd and 3rd videos!

[@rodolforavissant7663]

Help ! Your car has disappeared !! Haha - What a Crazy good flight and comparisment. ! Thanks for uploading

[@DanFrederiksen]

Does Condor cover the entire world? or small select regions

[@RoamingAdhocrat]

In the first clip, you let go of the stick moments before touchdown to flip a switch - what where you doing?

[@delerehd5388]

have a question. Are the Condor 2 License (50 €) included in all flight lessons at the flight school? I'm still a beginner and a few flying lessons would be really helpful.

[@Tarm111222]

Yes, it is

[@zakariamornly]

Incredible 😍😍✈✈

[@cizer_im]

can you record vr or 360 degree video

[@randyirby7968]

What stick and rudder do you use with this flight simulator?

[@thierryogerau9824]

Nice comparison. Witch C2 glider are you using in the half later part ? The one with a large screen display similar to your nice real ligne glider. Thks

[@vortex_un]

nice flight sim 2020 vs condor comparison

[@antonioiozzi291]

There is nk comparison possible at presents. MFS don'have gliders and tgermals at presents are not realistic. Good graphic but ..... they have promised too much

[@vortex_un]

it has potential though. physics and meteo sim are very easy for implementation as add on.

[@vortex_un]

@@antonioiozzi291 also its not about all data and physics. gliding sims should be more visual as gliding it is.

[@SteFly]

I tried to install MFSF2020 but even this is a challenge :D

[@VirtuelleWeltenMitKhan]

Wie gut ist denn wohl der Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 für den Segelflug in VR?

[@CuriousCGN]

Nice comparison! Thanks. Btw: what's the difference between Condor 2 and Condor 2 Pro? Didn't see that, just the price difference. Thanks.,

[@SteFly]

The Pro version includes all gliders.

[@davidkocsi2579]

really good!!!

[@aubreylieberman]

Thank you Stefan!!!!

[@Sugarsail1]

Interesting, I've been wondering how the Xplane simulator of the Pheonix LSA compares to the real thing.

[@berlinosaurus9785]

What setup do you use for Condor 2?

[@kurtzeilinger6551]

Hallo Stefan! Ich bin ein, hoffentlich, angehender Segelfliegerpilot! Was ich mir bei deinen TOP-Videos wünschen würde: vielleicht gibt es die Möglichkeit, deine Instrumente in einem zusätzlichen Fenster einzublenden?!? Ich weiß natürlich, dass das eine zusätzliche Kamera und viel Schneidearbeit für dich bedeutet, aber ich kann mir denken, dass ich mit dem "Wunsch" nicht der einzige hier bin! Sonst, wie gesagt alles TOP - vor allem deine Leistungen! Gratulation und tiefe Verneigung! LG Kurt aus Wr. Neustadt/Österreich

[@СингфазСвета]

Good day! I wanted to try this simulator, but unfortunately there is no money to buy it, because for our country, 50 euros is a very serious amount, when there is not even a demo version. Can anyone help with purchasing an activation key?

[@philippholzberger8272]

Hi Stefan, welche VR Brille nutzt du für Condor soaring?

[@weepingeye]

Used to fly gliders and since getting into FS2020 I came to YT to see if Condor 2 was worth a look. Sorry, I know there's a lot of work and love in this project but no. Those graphics are ridiculous. Here's hoping FS2020 includes gliders sooner rather than later, or better yet, Condor can leverage same/similar techniques for scenery generation; a big ask I know. Stay safe everyone.

[@markpijnappels6796]

Unfortunately, Condor is not available for Mac! Stefan, which airfield did you land at? The approach is awesome with that final over rooftops!

[@ericoschmitt]

You can run windows on it though, and then fly condor

[@noelwade]

Bootcamp or Parallels with help solve that problem. :-)

[@James-zu1ij]

Do you know where I can get a download link for condor 2. I have asked the makers and they will not help me. Im so miffed I paid such a lot of money for this. They gave me my code but no link!!!! I really don't want to buy it again.

[@ascherlafayette8572]

Go to the reciept there is a link there

[@ascherlafayette8572]

Go to the website, under the buy menu you should see a purchase history tab. If you click on that you will see your purchase of Condor 2 and a "view details and downloads" button. Scroll down to "products" and select "CondorSetupv216" which will install the installer as a zip.

[@James-zu1ij]

@@ascherlafayette8572 No purchase history. I tried all emails I may have used in the past. I must have been purged from their systems. Strange..I bought condor 1 and 2 I even have my activation code. Thanks for trying to help me. I give up; life is too short lol.

[@ascherlafayette8572]

@@James-zu1ij did you go check in your account on the website? That is really weird that you don't have a receipt in your email though

[@James-zu1ij]

@@ascherlafayette8572 I don't have an account. I think I have been purged from record at sometime in the past.

[@tadeksmutek5840]

Thank you, Stefan - do you know if this your promo-code can be also applied to buy new glider types in Condor 2?

[@SteFly]

I think it is only valid for the basic Condor 2 licence.

[@ElleErmy]

Hi Stefan, you can create a ghost from real igc file. It's a beautiful way to learn a tipical local flight.

[@SteFly]

Wow, this sounds very interesting. Do you have any tutorial or link how to do it?

[@ElleErmy]

@@SteFly I write you an email. If you go on condor club in race circuit session, you can find the way for create a ghost file.👍🏼

[@TheSoaringChannel]

@@ElleErmy I'd like to know how to do it also.

[@jay6817]

0:30 onwards. I'm sweating here in my comfy home just watching this. 1:52 version in Condor 2 is easier because the buildings have all been flatened. 😅

[@roryonabike5863]

Can anyone comment on how Condor compares to using gliders on X-Plane?

[@SteFly]

I never tried X-Planes. The physics in Condor 2 with thermals, wave and ridge lifts are very good.

[@carljacobs1287]

No comparison. The weather aircraft model in Condor is far superior for gliders. If you can fly Condor, you can just about fly for real. Condor is the perfect environment to learn how to fly cross country. There is almost no difference whatsoever flying cross country in Condor, and flying cross country in real life.

[@roryonabike5863]

@@carljacobs1287 Thanks. I use a Mac and have Bootcamp, but will probably move to Apple Silicon in the next stage of the rollout. Do you know if there are plans to port Condor to MacOS?

[@chriswedgwood9673]

@@roryonabike5863 There are no plans for that

[@noelwade]

X-Plane has decent physics around the aircraft themselves, but does not model the atmosphere or changing weather. I like X-Plane for some (non-glider) things and have met a few of the folks who help make X-Plane; but for gliders there is no comparison - Condor does a better job by far of recreating the various sources of lift and having the glider react fairly realistically to them.

[@researchcapt]

Have to say that MSFS has better ground topography especially if you use Google Maps.

[@papatangovictor]

The Condor would be like taking an inflatable doll for a romantic dinner ...

[@SteFly]

Better than nothing in times of Corona. And it is so much fun to fly a task with several other players ;)

[@skyhigh776]

Erm, well of course. It's a simulator!

[@amelia_glider_pilot16]

I am sadly missing the noise of air going over a glider and the beeping of the Vario :( Not long now!

[@СергійГлуздовський]

Hi, please share your opinion about how real this simulator made. I mean thermals. Are they close to real? I'm a newbie in soaring, started this summer. And I'm wondering if it will be useful for me to buy it and practice while winter is outside.

[@Balu027]

Seems pretty good to me. Of course, a simulator doesn't have the "feeling" when you enter a thermal.

[@andrearefosco2433]

@@Balu027 with VR you feel a part of real feel

[@Balu027]

@@andrearefosco2433 I meant the "kicking" when the plane is lifted when entering a stronger thermal :) No matter how good is the illusion, you can't simulate the acceleration unless you have those hidraulic system used in professional airliner sims.

[@skyhigh776]

@@Balu027 I used to fly sailplanes in FSX years ago which had a thrid party weather and thermal engine, and I have to say that you do get some kid of feeling of entering a thermal, purely because of the sound of the vario, where you get that dip, and the glider descends and then you start to climb rapidly.

[@Keon_MkIX]

I think condor 2 wins, we have to consider value for the price and availability

[@geog26]

maybe you never flew in anything irl ,or maybe you dont enjoy flying as much as u think =p

[@gromm93]

@@geog26 Or maybe $200 will get you a fam flight and not any more than that, while you get unlimited time in all the gliders in Condor for that price.

[@edkhan785]

Amazing. Good comparison. Would love to fly at your location in addition to TEXAS. do look us up in US Nightly Soaring condor.

[@xptical]

Stefan. I'll be streaming some Condor in the next hour. Would you be interested in joining maybe 3 to 5 people on a friendly task?

[@SteFly]

In the next days I will definitely fly Condor online. Today I had other stuff to do, sorry!

[@xptical]

@@SteFly No worries man. Just had a great flight and my team came 1/2/3/and I came in 4. I'm on VSC Discord as "Xptical (X37)". Hit me up and we'll do some flights.

[@berlinosaurus9785]

@@xptical What is VSC Discord?

Where is the first place?

[@SteFly]

Pavullo, Italy 😁

[@limamikeaviation]

Can we all agree at least those who fly on condor that flying low i condor is scarier than in real life? At least it feels like that for me

[@robertorovida2108]

It is exactly what I also experienced when flying in Condor, both 1 and 2 versions! In Condor you cannot create the same speed as in real gliding and the plane loses too much lift when close to the ground. The areas of sink in Condor are also dreadful too many times. It would be interesting if Langer could give us his impressions abut the dynamics and manoeuvrability of the planes in Condor, apart from the graphic differences.

[@limamikeaviation]

@@robertorovida2108 graphics dont really matter condor is all about gliding so graphics dont matter, but I agree with you, would be cool if stefan could make a video talking about this.

[@skyhigh776]

@@limamikeaviation hmm, I understand where you're coming from, but to say graphics don't matteri s purely subjective. For me, greaphics is a big thing, of course not as much as flight dynamics and the weather engne, but I really wouldn't want to fly in an environment with such poor graphics. I may persuade myself in the near future perhaps.

[@kayrenation7400]

the graphics in reality are so much better

[@MrPanpan71]

Stefan you are better pilot at simulator. 😁😁😁

[@jochen_ls]

Zu meiner aktiven Gaming-Zeit vor 15 Jahren war die Grafik bei den meisten Spielen schon besser als bei Condor2......

[@DoubleDee2000]

The grapics in the Game could be better! The buildings are flat and the roads could be more detailed! For that money I expect more! :)

[@darkspace5762]

I could escape from my enemies in this thing

[@John_Conor_BLR]

А я в препаре3Д в 4.5 так не могу нормально полетать. Нет восходящих потоков, увы.

[@robth655]

They should update the graphics..

[@Heos2]

The discount code is invalid.

[@SteFly]

I think it is only valid for the basic Condor 2 licence, not for planes.

[@Heos2]

@@SteFly Couldn't get it to work with the basic license. Heres a screenshot: prnt.sc/w6qou4

[@chriswedgwood9673]

@@Heos2 It does work, as others have used it this week. Please try again with only Condor in your basket. If you still have probelm, then contact us on the support email.

[@yuriguimaraes5231]

Can someone pass me some serial please?? 😢

[@kurtzeilinger6551]

die Instrumente sind, zum Teil aufgrund der Lichtspiegelungen, nur sehr schwer bis gar nicht lesbar!!

[@thefox4944]

Now as the glider came to MFS i think condor will make no sense now.

[@wout123100]

if only the sim had a demo,,i find it quite expensive.

[@sudosden3567]

For dogfighting 3 meters above a mountain road, I prefer to be on Condor2....😥

[@robertorovida2108]

Not at all, because, when close to the ground, an average Condor glider loses too much speed and lift and stalls easily.

[@lionelbeaulaton7610]

le top!!!!

[@Paul-vh6ul]

For me the viewer of the video, the bouncing around of the view in Condor is very distracting (auto-panning with Track IR I'd guess). I like watching Steffan's RL videos, but the bouncing of the Condor flights is annoying. I'd like to see some Condor flights with a fixed camera position.

[@-Galavanta-]

I went to buy Condor 2 and they want to charge me 22% Tax!!!! thanks but no thanks.

[@ljh1223]

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[@bashka_if6525]

The Sim has better graphics

[@fingerhorn4]

It's embarrassing how dated the landscape and cockpits/gliders are in this sim, which sells for 59.99 Euros (with tax) and that doesn't include more than basic gliders and extremely basic scenery from one region. The addon sceneries are also extremely basic despite huge download files. The ground polys and textures look primitive even compared to the now 15 year-old FSX, let alone MSFS 2020. While there is still potential for a decent sim, the ground textures, buildings, runways and total lack of atmospheric light, primitive clouds and very poorly made low-res glider textures make this otherwise interesting sim feel like computing from the dark ages. By the time you've added a decent set of gliders you'll be paying 199 Euros. Outrageous!

[@AN2Felllla]

Condor is insanely overpriced

[@SteFly]

50 € is about one aerotow at a competition. I think this is a fair price for the training effects you can get there ;)

[@carljacobs1287]

Condor is about the same price as an aero-tow retrieve from an airport that is not your home airport. So if it saves you one retrieve it is worth it. At first when I flew cross country in Condor, I would fail the tasks (even with the thermal helpers turned on). Now I don't bother turning on the thermal helpers, and I have flow the 1000km red bull challenge across the Alps (Condor 1). In my real life flying I have flown way beyond what those who don't fly Condor fly in my cross country, and generally get home even when the conditions get tricky. Much of glider flight is a mental exercise, and that mental exercise is almost 90% as effective as flying a real glider. I estimate that Condor has cost me about $1 per hour of flight, and it is totally worth it for that price!

[@FTSsjc]

Condor website checkout: Subtotal: 49.99€ Tax: [22%] 11.00€ Total: 60.99€ It's insanely overpriced. We're almost in 2021 and honestly these graphs look horrible, there isn't even a comparison to be made with MSFS. It's a shame MSFS hasn't paid attention to gliders, it would take them one afternoon worth of development to make it freaking awesome with the huge dev team they must have. I bet it's one of those situations where it would take one person that really loved gliding on the team to make it happen. Shame... I hope it happens in the future.

[@carljacobs1287]

@@FTSsjc don't go gliding for real then. It will cost you that much per day, if you're very lucky. Most likely it will cost you even more - per day.

[@Kestrel626]

There is a annual competition between Xmas & the new year, this year is the 13th. I fly online competitions only of which there are many throughout the year, that is well over 13 years of Condor flying with 2 Condor versions so hardly expensive.

[@podunkman2709]

Unfortunately, flight simulators do not resemble real flying at all. Instead of losing money on them, save them on the pilot course.

[@alpenjon]

How do you come to this conclusion, have you got much experience with Condor2? I learnt flying with Condor2 and was able to fly and catch and stay in thermals the first time I was up. The experience was very similar to the simulation, just the rudder being hard to push against was a big difference that just needs getting used to. Also my instructor told me to actually make a visual check before turning the airplane for obvious safety reasons. This was something I had ignored in the safety of the simulation.

[@sodasouth8032]

Cringe

[@kratzeni]

Anyone who wants to share gamelicense and we split the price?