Top 3 WORST WEAPONS in Space Marine 2 - Don't Even Bother

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[@DzinkyDzink]

So apparently the game's balance is setup in such a way that weapons meant to deal with hordes such as Autobolter and Heavy Bolt Rifle deal twice as less damage vs Majoris+ enemies which makes them extremely underwhelming against anything that isn't chaff.

[@chetmanley1885]

Seems to be the case, problem with that is there's several weapons intended for single target or horde clear that can do both; Plasma incinerator has an explosion radius and melts bosses, heavy bolter can be pinpoint accurate and land consistent headshots and deletes majoris enemies and above. So that leaves stuff like the heavy bolt rifle which eats hordes like a champ but isn't accurate enough to land consistent headshots. Hell I think the auto bolt rifle, which nobody takes, works better.

[@Vision1100]

@@chetmanley1885 it depends how you set your weapons perks. most ppl going for raw dmg increase go for more precise aiming the heavy bolt rifle can do head shots like a champ. i use it very often and i like it. clears hordes. and it even deals with majoris with no problems. its a good allround weapon in my opinion and i expect a entire reworked weapon perk tree in the future. its makes not rly sense how it is like now. you can go for dmg, or precision aim. and if you try to switch the weapon perk trees you will end up having 1-2 points less till you reach the end. so it leave more room for improvments.

[@connormcguire484]

@@DzinkyDzink do you have a source for that?

[@Steir12]

​​@@chetmanley1885Plasma will surely fall from grace once they fix endless ammo bug. Same goes for melta and overheal bug.

[@Steir12]

​@@Vision1100Game kinda fails to communicate that headshots have absolute bananas damage multipliers, its around x5 i believe. No wonder people sleep on accuracy perks.

[@Crusher888]

All bolter weapons need a serious buff

[@rapatacush3]

And a proper sound effect too. They sound like 9mil smgs.

[@l-shadow1775]

The bolt carbine smg variant should be like the 9mil smg

[@christianna4404]

They need to take a look at the bolter in darktide

[@Ja_Mes]

@@l-shadow1775no it shouldn’t lmao dude most bolters shoot .75 cal, a smg probably would be at least .50 why would you even talk you gotta be a bot

[@LuxDez]

Only your hands need serious buff

[@nobodyspecial9097]

:The Heavy Bolt Rifle: :It has less DPS than the Heavy Boltor but it has better utility in some areas. :It doesn't overheat an it has a large magazine so it has less downtime overall. Next to an ammo box you can just hold the trigger. :It has roughly the same penetration as the Heavy Boltor, so its wave clear for chaff is just as good. DPS only needs to be so high to kill Minoris and it does reach that threshold. :It lets you use the Chainsword. This is the main reason for taking the weapon, you want epic wave clear with a bolt based gun but you also want to use a melee weapon. The Heavy Bolt Rifle is meant to give you the wave clear potential of the Heavy Boltor from the Heavy class with more mobility and access to a melee weapon in the Tactical.

[@ras4942]

Bro, why are you comparing the heavy bolt rifle to a weapon from a completely different class? You can’t use one over the other because then you have to switch character completely..

[@aJackAsh]

@@ras4942 its arguably the closest comparison but to say they're the same is a big stretch

[@hopeasusisusi9189]

Um tactical has the melta to melt hordes. It does this much better than the heavy bolt rifle. So it's just not good enough. Auto bolt rifle is still even worse.

[@nofungrachman805]

good thinking, imagine working with the gun strike-auto reload perk.

[@nobodyspecial9097]

@@ras4942 The Tactical Class is supposed to be the all-rounder class, that means some of its weapons overlap with other classes in form an function. This weapon overlaps with a weapon from the Heavy class.

[@elefprime8809]

tbh mojority of weapons feel weak until you unlock relic tier and all the perks. There are exceptions but those can be counted with fingers on one hand.

[@cykeok3525]

Then there are those that STILL feel weak AFTER you unlock relic tier and all the perks, which I guess is what has TV irked in this video :D

[@madprophetus]

Yes they designed this game poorly - starting with a functional class and then stripping it down to populate a grind rather than starting with a functional class and building it up to end up slightly overpowered. This game's first impression is absolutely terrible when it comes to co-op.

[@DakkaDakka12]

Auto bolt rifle is worse than heavy in every way, it has the same accuracy, smaller mag, lower damage, lower pen, and slightly higher rate of fire combined with less total ammo….also it has the smallest and most useless perk tree in the game.

[@jacktheripper7935]

I think it's so bad that it doesn't even need to be on this list because everyone knows it. 😂

[@NobleRenegade7]

You're getting rightfully cooked about the heavy bolt rifle. Thing absolutely melts.

[@dierdred_the_gray]

Melts Hordes. Its trash against Majoris and above.

[@Turahk]

lol. maybe after melta, grenade launcher and plasma incinerator

[@jacktheripper7935]

As much as I love the heavy bolter, the regular one with grenade launcher annihilates it in every way. Heavy melts chaff, yes, but in the end, you'll just waste ammo on majoris ennemies and they are the priority within a wave.

[@Zerosixious]

​@@TurahkBesides GL, Melta, and Plas, I like Carbine Marksman and maybe even Stalker more than HBR tbh.

[@armoredred]

​@@jacktheripper7935 or you could ya know destroy the wave of grunts and destroy majors abs extremis with melee, parry gives auspex mark makes majority of them lightwork

[@Mahbu]

I use the Heavy Bolt Rifle. I'm not sure what you're doing wrong but it's pretty great on Ruthless.

[@darthmeowl]

problem of so called "youtubers" is their ignorance and lacking of research of something, but hey - they got subscribers and videos.....still spreading missinformation and performing badly in their own guides xD

[@dierdred_the_gray]

The issue is its relegated to a less desirable weapon to pick as there are better options, even the standard bolt rifle feels better on ruthless than the HBR. The HBR sadly just is lacking that last little oomph that would bring it to competitive levels, Its not a bad weapon, there are just far better options out there. I can happily run the HBR on ruthless, But id rather rock the stalker because it gives me more opportunities to pick off the more dangerous targets.

[@darthmeowl]

@@dierdred_the_gray it's all about personal preferences and figuring out how weapon works and when/how it's effective against certain targets, instead - people are looking for universal boomstick which will solve every problem. nah, not working, skill issue is skill issue - placing guns in some tier list won't help on it

[@ArkhonXIX]

I would agree. I rip with the heavy bolt rifle. Regularly on ruthless. I don’t rely on my ranged tho for majoris, pop em in the head while you close for melee then rip in melee. I think people suck at the melee combat where me and my buddies have mastered it. The ranged weapons are fun and some are awesome but sniping majoris in melee is where you save ammo and replenish armor and health (in some cases)

[@Xris_x]

you are 100% right, I love the heavy bolt rifle

[@benetsilveira3115]

I’m glad everyone seems to all agree that the heavy bolter doesn’t belong here when the auto bolter wasn’t mentioned. Heavy bolter needs a buff but it’s still fun and can do great damage with the right build. The auto bolter lacks damage, accuracy, ammo, and falls right next to the oculus bolt carbine.

[@echosierra9990]

I’m surprised you put the heavy bolt rifle in the bottom 3, and not the auto bolt rifle. Haven’t played the auto bolt rifle in PVE, but I thought it was underwhelming in the campaign.

[@garbageknight1410]

This is the real pick, the auto bolt rifle has worse stats in every way compared to the heavy bolt rifle, it should be on the list instead, even if the heavy bolt rifle isn't the best compared to the meta weapons.

[@Zephyr23311]

@@garbageknight1410an off meta weapon you might like is the bolt rifle with grenade launcher I haven’t seen it on most tier lists. But it goes like a hot knife through butter against most things.

[@Mister_Know_Name]

I have everything on relic, the auto bolt rifle has some of the lowest perk points and it is a terrible gun. Heavy bolt rifle blows it out of the water.

[@Zephyr23311]

@@Mister_Know_Name think they might give assault his plasma pistol and put the auto bolt rifle with grenade launcher into the game?

[@CieloIdeIverano]

@@Zephyr23311 bolt rifle with grenade launcher is the biggest meta weapon on tactical lul

[@redrobby9939]

The powerfist has the ability to one shot in the PvP gamemode.

[@calebheisserer5391]

Heavy auto bolt is not top 3 worst. Don’t get me wrong it is the okayest of ok weapons. But it’s actually has solid ad clear at mid range. I think both carbines are worse plus we have the auto bolt rifle which is pretty much just a strict downgrade

[@montecarlowithdawningornam1817]

You know what else is good at ad clearing? Your chainsword

[@TrueVanguard]

that's my problem too, chainsword ad clearing is legitimately s-tier, can restore health consistently, and is hands down more fun and engaging combat than point and hold trigger.

[@chickenpsycho68]

It's one of tacs best weapons.

[@chickenpsycho68]

lol no it's not.

[@Cronhour]

@@montecarlowithdawningornam1817 at range? show me...

[@connormcguire484]

Whoaaaaa heavy bolt rifle in bottom 3?! No way. That thing absolutely shreds, especially Terminus level bosses! The relic tier one with 55 shots has is hands down the best one. Gets more mag capacity and still gets a +2 to accuracy.

[@jamesshorts9655]

Nah TV nailed it on the head. Compared to most other things in the game it simply does not stack up.

[@Lem0nsquid]

Grenade launcher is superior

[@kilos6731]

@@jamesshorts9655You can easily get 15k plus damage with the heavy bolter

[@kilos6731]

@@Lem0nsquid It used to be, But not so much since the nerf

[@jamesshorts9655]

@@kilos6731 I never said it couldn't do damage. It simply does not stack up to the other weapons especially on the only class it's on. Also to reply to your other comment even after the nerf the grenade launcher is still a better primary.

[@georgejennings8743]

Surly the auto bolt rifle is worse than the heavy bolster?

[@OutspokenSeeker]

Two completely different situational weapons though. The heavy bolter is excellent for medium range horde clearing and spamming shots into generic crowds. The auto bolt rifle is for closer situations, essentially it’s a rapid fire weapon for when you want to charge into a crowd but still fire a weapon that packs more of a punch than the carbine

[@Wav03]

Kind of difficult to compare based on those endgame screenshots when in the stalker bolt game your team mates got dog and shit damage respectively

[@piedpiper1172]

Powerfist is much easier to fix than you suggest. If they make the relic perk that extends power wave forward just apply to the weapon by default and move that slider all the way over to single target (and the accompanying under the hood values that implies) you’d pretty much solve it. Maybe another few % buff after that, but really that’s it.

[@Lifeislikeadoughnut]

Bro seriously just implied that the Heavy Bolt Rifle is worse than the Bolt Carbine and the Auto Bolt Rifle…man you’re delusional with that take.

[@TrueVanguard]

It’s just an opinion on a fake gun in a video game bro it’s not that deep.

[@Lifeislikeadoughnut]

@@TrueVanguard You regularly upload build guides, the video title tells the viewer to not bother with the weapons in the video. Videos like these are what new players will tend to look at for advice on weapon choice and you put a solid weapon as worse than the almost universally agreed worst primary weapon in PvE, the bolt carbine. It ain’t that deep but I can still point out how delusional a take like that is.

[@CieloIdeIverano]

@@TrueVanguard yeah a pretty dumb opinion dont get me wrong i really like your content but thats really an illogical opinion of you

[@tristanhale8558]

@@TrueVanguardworst deflection of all time oml

[@sneaky5141]

​@@Lifeislikeadoughnut the single shot bolt carbine variant is one of the best guns in the the game and i am not kidding

[@Beargyn]

I think its more about your playstyle and what perks you choose, because i honestly prefer the power fist over the others. The ground pound it gives is definitely lack luster but if you focus on the top perks instead it makes a difference. The carbine is 100% garbage though I hope they give it some love. I'm not a big fan of the standard bolt carbine the sniper has access to either because its just as bad as the occulus. Its only saving grace is it can turn into a marksman rifle and even then you can just use the stalker bolt rifle in replace of it.

[@carterreed4676]

ngl i prefer marksman carbine over the stalker

[@ryanharte5400]

The Heavy Bolt Rifle is great!

[@dbalwochus]

I use the heavy bolt rifle with the top row of perks and if they are far out I don't go full auto, the head shot perks really help and it's pretty accurate if you're patient.

[@tylerpatterson3857]

The fact the heavy bolt rifle and power fist made this list and yet the auto bolt rifle didn’t is laughable.. especially since the heavy has double/triple the mag size depending on version and approx. 35% more damage per shot.. like I can not agree with his assessment here 👎 they simply do NOT compare. My thoughts on the Auto bolt rifle would be way more positive if it was an assault exclusive primary so that class would have SOME kind of primary it would be a huge improvement to that guns use rate and buff assault instantly with more range potential.. a good tactical is never gonna take that gun over it’s contemporaries..

[@ImperatorTFD]

Agreed, from my 120+ hours in the game I'd have to say the ABR is without a doubt the biggest piece of garbage. It literally has zero headshot modifier based on data ripped from the game files.

[@dumoneyyy]

What you said about the Heavy Bolter makes sense. However, its really fun, so Im gonna ignore that

[@TrueVanguard]

listen, video games are supposed to be fun. if you enjoy using it, use it. ignore everything i say.

[@cykeok3525]

Heavy bolter or heavy bolt rifle?

[@DominusGary]

I’ve actually done some serious work with the heavy bolt rifle, including vs majoris

[@rezkiy95]

Heavy bolt rifle is actually great, the version eith plus plus accuracy, extended mag and bonus ammo Add the perk to restore ammo on majoris kill, perks for extended mag and you restore ~60 bullets every 30 seconds, practically never running out of ammo And yeah, I just love pressing the lmb and maw dawn hordes

[@SuperBrannflakes]

Got the heavy bolt rifle on relic and currently working on the auto bolt rifle (reason being is these weapons have no where to go but up and also dakka dakka dakka). My thoughts on them is that both of them need a higher baseline ammo reserve and they need to be able to one shot termigaunts with a head shot instead of just putting them in execution range. Other than that they're fine for what they are, mid range add clear. If you aim at roughly head level they can melt through minoris crowds.

[@ELITESrBAMOFOS945]

How DARE you besmirch my beloved heavy bolt rifle. Shame on you. 😜

[@Project_Crosswire]

Heavy bolt rifle is primarily used for its mag size and majoris execution playstyle that refunds an entire mag every 30 seconds. It's there for mob clear on the infinite ammo build. Don't use the other two weapons, so I can't give any input on the power fist or the smg. Also, don't shoot the carnifex. Knife-fight it. One of the easiest parry patterns.

[@sneaky5141]

are you rarted

[@Brian-ch6hg]

“Dad left for milk”. TVON that you?! 😂

[@2c-bee]

Great video. Love your charisma and humour!

[@Bottlekiller]

If the heavy bolt rifle is a bad choice to you, then what pray tell is the auto bolt rifle?

[@Akirafudoamon]

I'm always appreciative that you make sure to grind out things to the best they can be before giving us click bait vids. I've always found your D2 videos helpful and I am so glad you do the same max effort with this game. Thank you Brother!

[@infinitywulf]

I wanted to like the power fist, but it just didn't have the power behind it. As a Raven Guard fan I really want lightning claws, but hesitant to see them as I'd kinda want the power fist to be good first as they are basically a power fist with adamantium claws sheathed in energy.

[@Mr_Jish]

I like this. They probably aren't technically the same in lore (I'm still learning, forgive me), but maybe just adding a relic tier power fist with the lightning claws would be a good start. Then again, that might just negate the other relics unless folks REALLY like block or balance, but who knows. Either way I dig it

[@infinitywulf]

@@Mr_Jish Similar enough that I could see that as a decent way to implement it, but there's also the problem that it'd need a lot of coding/animations done too so not holding my breath on it. There'd be a slight range difference, and the claws themselves would probably work somewhat like the power sword in a way.

[@michielschouten]

The power fist is awesome! But it lacks...well...power. The thing that anoyes me most is when you charge it up, make an attack, fly fist first to an enemy, and poof an the eneny makes an attack and knocks you over. Bye attack, bye armour, bye health, and instead of punching it became an dodge or parry fest. That thing should be unblockable and not able to cancel with an counter attack when its charged up!

[@Vision1100]

Occulus - Bolt Carbine ( not rifle ) - its a weapon for close range/corner fights. intended to spray the enemy in the face almost point plank. Thats why it has so massiv spread and this insane rate of fire. Works good in these Situation Heavy Bolt Rifle - One of the best Allround Weapons in my Opinion. You showed the bigger Magazin Version in the Video. Go for the most accurate one, and then skill the weapon on even more accuracy and you will be suprised how well it lands consistant headshots in burst fire and also in full auto at mid ranges. Power Fist - Not as bad as you descripe it but i understand you. It should be a heavy hitting melee weapon ( lore accurate: you can punch a hole into the side of a Lemun Russ battle tank with it ). The grind to relic is a hard one. but the fencing one on relic i like a lot. It feels heavy and it is fun to jump punch evertything in the face with the canon punch. But to be a good alternative to the chain sword/hammer/powersword... it needs some adjustments... more base impact so enemys have the feeling of got hit by a rampaging angron after the Emperor told him he isnt allowed to stay up late to watch the movie he wants to see... And more stun effect/or higher impact area or higher knock back. And pls we shouldnt forget, that Space Marine 2 is a co op game. So in my opinion the end statistic of most dmg and stuff is just considered a info for yourself to be aware of how good you performance is. Not the i want to be on top of all stats kind of thing. Lost enough rounds cause of people that rush forward no matter what or no care for the other 2 players in the team cause of the greed to be best in dmg. In the end we lost cause they got downed and left the round. No need to say that pushing forward alone while the rest team fights against a huge wave + zoantrophs is a bad idea :p thx for reading stay save o7

[@williamscott2580]

heavy bolter is a S-Teir weapon... what specs are you using on it if its so bad? it carries my squad often. occulus i admit i mid but its horde clearing to pair with a melee class i find. powerfist is SUPER shit... but i main powersword and prefer speed though so i admit i am semi bias.

[@mistah3687]

The heavy bolt rifle saddens me beacuse it sounds like it should be a lighter version of the heavy bolter, but it just doesn't commit itself to wave clear enough to be that.

[@GameHunterDeathhunter]

Ok am i missing something but shouldn't the Normal Bolt rifle be the worst weapon not the heavy bolt rifle? like its the same gun but 1 has 1+ better accruacy..... and thats about it while the other has a better mag, more perks and i think even better damage so ya shouldn't the normal one be THE worst bolt gun

[@SageTheChosen]

3:17 it was 27 years ago. Thanks for the reminder.

[@Arkangel88Mr]

I still need a little more cowbell for the bolt rifle rounds. Just a little. And adjust the sound a little too.

[@pheebs8451]

Heavy bolt rifle is an awesome gun. Perfect for add clears, accurate, big clip, brilliant support gun. Power fist - learn your combos, it’s also a great weapon, makes you so mobile on the battlefield.

[@yokiweyy4770]

I agree on the power fist, sadly. In the tabletop game it was one of my favorite melee weapons. This massive gauntlet that lets you smash infantry and blow up vehicles was peak power fantasy. So sad to see how weak it is in this game

[@skuirrelTV]

So glad your Warhammer content is taking off! But the Autumnous Autumn is coming back in D2!

[@synergy793]

I’m using the heavy bolt rifle now to start my tactical

[@freddymcshreddy6586]

I do agree that the powerfist should be single target dps since I already use the thunder hammer for big ad clear and the chainsword is a nice all rounder.

[@smoadia85]

personally bolt carbine and occulus is only for suppression of the chaffs particularly the ranged ones to close in to melee since once fully upgraded the reduction in spread helps to hip fire relatively acuurately

[@webbc99]

Agree with all three! I'd throw the auto bolt down there as well, and honestly the thunder hammer is really bad imo as well. Stuff competition from the chain sword.

[@menaceiwill1]

I've got 32k damage with the thunder hammer, you go with all the bottom perks, too get the double slam, and ground quake. It does good damage. Probably get close to 20k damage each operation, so this is very untrue

[@menaceiwill1]

On hardest difficulty that is.

[@Tinandel]

The Auto Bolter is pretty satisfying.... in campaign mode. But yeah, that's about it.

[@Gazooka]

As a bulwark/heavy main, the bolt pistol felt stronger at standard issue level compared to the plasma pistol, but at relic level I’ve honestly fell in love with the plasma, same goes for the heavy bolter, super weak at low tiers, gets to relic and boom, melts everything. Also power fist on bulwark is godly, chainsword is meh and power sword is great if you can get used to swapping stances.

[@daveadams6489]

Nice, I won't bother progressing these until there's a buff then!

[@H8timusPrime]

I take issue with a lot of the Relic tier weapons. Many of them have some stats that are simply worse than their artificer counterparts, which is ridiculous. Trading power for speed, for example, isn't an upgrade. It's a lateral move that prioritizes a different stat. An actual upgrade would make all stats better.

[@seforivera8678]

As a guy who love the heavy bolt rifle. I argeed but it still awesome to use tho

[@TrueVanguard]

Nothing wrong with that 👍

[@EvgGaar]

Having leveled the Power Fist recently, I can't say its any different in performance compared to the Thuner Hammer, at least subjectively.

[@Lem0nsquid]

Power fist really does suck. And it gives me sad imperial fist noises

[@ribbz22]

I struggle with the power fist being on this list but I do agree it should be given some visibility to show it still isn't checking all the boxes. Honestly I don't even think that the hammer is that much better than it even though it looks cool as hell. I would barely put it above the power fist, and I do agree that all other melee weapons available are above it. Both SMGs pretty much have no place in the game other than PVP imo.

[@jamesmee5212]

Totally agree with the power fist that thing hits like a foam finger, praying for a buff on melee overall let's speak and hope Saber listen🙏

[@TheColosiss]

I agree that power fist needs a MASSIVE buff.

[@badrpr69]

Im sorry but im never gonna choose a bigger gauntlet over the thunder hammer or power sword, i dont care how many times they buff it lol. However, having said that please buff the PS in pve, i think especially for a melee focused class like the bulwark it takes way too many hits to put majors+ into the red atm. All love, fantastic job so far✌️

[@Brandon-qc3eu]

3:15 that was 26 years ago for me and he took my remote control car with him ☹️

[@dmar3651]

I agree about the power fist. I find it so underwhelming that even the Combat knife feels more enjoyable to use.

[@side7oldtype298]

You know some Bolt weapons fall off in this game when a base human sized boltgun from Darktide does more stagger and armor pierce to armored/shield enemies than the Astartes sized boltgun.

[@Nostroman_Praetor]

Imo, The Heavy Bolt Rifle should be built around mag-size and penetration. When paired with the kraken rounds perk and reload on execution or gunstrike, you solve having to reload your weapon and the relatively low damage when shooting into a horde or trying to focus a Warrior of Rubric. Currently my Liberation Alpha build for it holds 86 rounds and can hit 3 enemies at once via penetration. I may not be doing amazing compared to other options but after the Grenade Launcher nerf and the Carbine's performance per mag I really fon't want to turn to anything I have to worry about ammo with. With my current build I haven't had to worry about Personally I find the Stalker Bolter, the gun you used to compare it with, underwhelming, and the two guns are different profiles. A bolt round one shots a cultist sniper anyways so I don't think your point about accuracy at range matters too much.

[@spacesloth9529]

While the instigator is my favorite vanguard weapon, I was pleasantly surprised with the occlus. I grapple in, give the major a ranged damage debuff, shoot it a bit in the head maybe weave in a few knife strikes and he's ready for execute. I also find it does decent against clearing hordes for me personally. Also the marksman bolt carbine is my pick for shittiest weapon so far. On the sniper, at relic teir with the highest damage variant, it takes an entire clip (20 rounds) directly to the face to down a major. I really love the way this weapon sounds and feels to shoot. I like the rate of fire and the ammo reserve but the damage just isn't there. However I will say I love the stalker bolt carbine. That thing will destroy majors heads. I think the gap between the stalker and bolt carbine needs to be closer. It has way more ammo and a higher rate of fire so I don't expect it to do as much damage as the stalker but as it stands the damage is way too low in my opinion.

[@KregActual]

3 months later, I concur. Never touched the Oculus. Heavy Bolt is fun low difficulty, mid in the middle difficulty. I wouldn't take an Artificer HBR into substantial. Power fists sucks, zero cleave, weird movement, reach sucks too.

[@murto7985]

Weapon 1: hit Relic Tier yesterday and it was a Pain to get there (i dont know why i did it... maybe to have a second Weapon on the Reaper on Relic) Weapon 2: Stoped midway to Relic because it was not fun to play.. Empty a Magazin in an Enemy and it it is not dead. Weapon 3: Hit Relic today and its fun to play but its not a "Wave-Weapon" for me and to weak Single Damage

[@braysheep7711]

Heavy bolter is bad but it feels right you know, makes me feel like a space marine using it

[@Infi1337]

can confirm, power fist is still awful. T Like you i really tried to get it to work, the only thing thats fun to play and a little bit effective is spamming the cannon punch with the buttom perk tree maxed out. Still parrying even on fencing is bad, cleave is bad, raw damage is bad, even the movementsets and so on are bad. You basicly punsh yourself out of position as a bulwurk for example, not even thinkung about the assault players(never seen a good one with the powerfist). Terrible weapon to use atm..

[@nicolasvillasecaali7662]

The first step to healing is recognising there is a problem... And that problem is the heavy bolt rifle first and most.

[@jackb4569]

i think the devs were pushed by gw to include certain weapons because, just like the table top, the space marine arsenal is totally over-bloated, and i think the devs have struggled to make them meaningfully different. i wouldnt even miss the occulus or the heavy rifle if they were removed, other weapons already do their job better. also, i find it very strange the vanguard doesnt have access to the smg gun or the heavy pistol, since its official model can take both of those weapons. would be nice and make sense for the vanguard to have those imo

[@Siisjoonperkele]

I beg to differ with the Power Fist. It has armor regen like no other melee weapon has, or rather any other weapon. With your heavy combo the 3rd and 4th hit give you a full armor segment each. Against Chaos, everything that's melee is bad. The teleport is what f***s everything up. But yeah there needs to be buffs to have every single weapon be on the same line, to allow players play with a style that fits them and to give them a variety of options to choose from and not to be locked in one or two "builds".

[@brandenjorgenson9847]

I watched your power fist video then watched someone who loves the power fist and the way he fights with it is definitely pretty effective the dash punch has really good range and always sets up a gun strike to regain armor on minoris enemies plus somehow when I used it my shockwaves were a lot bigger and i barely have it at purple tier

[@TrueVanguard]

not to be that guy, but that's not possible. Ground Shake is unlocked at the Relic Tier, not the purple tier.

[@poiumty]

Every dash attack sets up a gun strike. All melee weapons have various ways of getting gun strikes without parries on minoris.

[@darksekrom]

Just here for the content, I'm nearly 300 hours in and working to 100% ops mode and then the rest of the game.

[@rapatacush3]

All of them. Bigger problem i have with this game is that every single range weapon is so underpowered it feels this is a devil may cry game.

[@anonnymus3652]

that aoe for ground smash modification for the power fist has to be bugged. in my mind i thought i'll get to jump pack + ground smash for some aoe damage but ended up hitting nothing with ground smash because it's actual aoe is smaller than the size of the knockback distance from the jump pack

[@tomacc9859]

Dude, I pull 600 Kills+ with the Oculus bolt rifle with just head shots, but I turned aim assist off because it just pulls you straight to the middle of the target. I don't think it's great, but it's not that bad. The heavy bolt rifle destroy in pvp. Also, the power fist kicks ass I never die with it on Bulwark. The mobility is great, and the combo chain is wicked. This sounds like a skill issue.

[@The-Spanish-Inquisition490]

Powerfist Punch a hole in baneblade and knock your ememy commanders head off, ooooooor....... punch the floor. Saber Interactive: PUNCH THE FLOOR!! PUNCH THE FLOOR!!!!

[@Xvpurgatory]

I enjoy the Heavy Bolt Rifle but think it would be unusable without the penetration mod

[@wes0112]

2:00 made me laugh

[@gordoxium]

I (very painfully) leveled up the heavy bolter to relic. The damage it too big, and even small enemies is very depressing considering it's a heavy bolter. I'm talking between 70 and 100 shots on a big guy to get them down. Can't wait to go back to the multi melta and even that is not great vs bigger guys.

[@CieloIdeIverano]

u need accuracy and do headshots its really good weapon when you have leveld it

[@gordoxium]

@CieloIdeIverano ive tried going for heads hots, even went with bursts to increase accuracy. Still took too many rounds

[@plastikloser]

Im sorry, but the biggest problem with the power fist. Is that its not lightning claws 😂

[@OblivionPrince]

In my experience, I think the auto bolt rifle performs a lot worse than the heavy bolt rifle. At least for ops. It has such bad spread and ammo that the heavy feels refreshing in comparison. It's still not fabulous, but I'd put the auto beneath it personally

[@Bidens_Battle_Box]

Heavy bolt rifle feels like one of the best bolt weapons available auto bolt rifle should be in it's slot

[@ArthurEverling]

HBR user here. I use it because it looks awesome. It has carry handle sights like an M16 and looks powerful, and it *kinda* is. It is probably the most mid weapon in the game. Not bad, but not that good either. If it were me I would bump up the headshot damage just so I don’t have to magdump a Majoris all day. That’s it really.

[@Mr_Jish]

I think the HBR is intentionally weaker against Majoris/Extremis. It's a fodder clearing weapon better suited for horde clearing so your squadmates can focus on the Majoris/Extremis level enemies.

[@entrippyZ]

they should give us 2 powerfists. double the attack rate would probably fix it. besides, imagine how asymetrical you would get after centuries of only using one side of your body to punch. lookin like you found a slaaneshi laptop in a spacehulk and never reported it.

[@Reaper-J129]

I do not agree with the heavy bolter on this list. Not because it's great, no it could definitely use an increase in damage to majoris or higher enemies. But because the auto bolter is basically a worse heavy bolter. It has worse damage, accuracy and range, Lower damage, less penetration and basically the same ammo reserve. All it has over the heavy bolter is it's rate of fire and reload speed. Which you can argue make it worse because the higher rate of fire makes you blow through ammo quicker while missing more shots due to the accuracy getting worse meaning you'll have to burst fire the AUTO bolt rifle. Using the auto bolt rifle and then switching to the heavy bolt rifle feels like going from an smg to an lmg and I'd always rather have an lmg in a horde shooter like this.

[@Get5ome]

4:11 Instead of ammo cap perk better to take 10% damage to Tyranids

[@MGC-XIII]

The powerfist should 1 shot all minoris mobs, it doesn't Also hope they add the incinerator and heavy incinerator to the game as well.

[@zissoulander]

Heavy bolt may not be the best but its great with upgrades and penetrations perks. The autobolt, on the other hand, has no upsides and all downsides compared to even the other bolters.

[@blackmane3641]

10k damage with the Heavy Bolter?. I have managed to do more than 20k damage in many games with ease, perhaps my friend, you don't know how to use the weapon. There are better options, I'm not going to argue that, but it's pretty easy to make it very useful if you know how to use it.

[@TrueVanguard]

i mean you point and shoot at the heads of enemies, how could you possibly use it wrong lol

[@blackmane3641]

@@TrueVanguard Well, it seems you have achieved the impossible, you used it wrongly. And to top it off, a weapon that is solid on its own is one of the worst haha. Ok kid.

[@slicero2574]

1:50 what the hell is Skippy aiming at

[@oreoteabaggins6184]

Powerfist is absolutely the best melee in eternal war

[@shiny1769]

I’m very surprised auto bolter isn’t on this list

[@Ima9ineBreak3r]

I just purchased the game, and hearing that the heavy bolt rifle is bad makes me sad. I wanted to enjoy that gun. Hopefully it gets a bit of love. What kind of level of buff do you guys think it would take to make that thing a solid choice?

[@Warranty_Droid]

honestly the heavy bolt rifle is eons better than the bolt carbine, its so bad i dont even think it deserves to be on any list

[@3ssenti4L]

I love the animations on the PF so much.

[@swedeonhisway8608]

Class: Bad Weapons/Good Weapons: Bulwark Bolt Pistol,Power Fist,Chainsword / Power Sword, Plasma Pistol Vanguard Bolt Pistol,Chainsword,Occulus Bolt Carbine / Instigator Bolt Carbine, Melta Rifle, Combat Knife Tactical Auto Bolt Rifle, Bolt Pistol, Chainsword, Bolt Carbine (High ROF)/ Bolt Rifle w GL, Melta Rifle, Heavy Bolt Rifle, Plasma Incinerator, Stalker Bolt Rifle, Bolt Carbine (DMR) Assault Bolt Pistol, Power Fist, Chainsword / Heavy Bolt Pistol, Thunder Hammer Heavy Bolt Pistol / Plasma Pistol, Heavy Bolter, Multi-Melta, Heavy Plasma Incinerator Havent Touched Sniper so cant know for certain but i can make a guess Bolt Pistol, Bolt Carbine (High ROF) / La Fusil, Stalker Bolt Rifle, Bolt Carbine (DMR) Uncertain: Bolt Sniper

[@only223]

Try and stop me from using the oculus bolter 😏

[@chrismancini9539]

Vanguard was the first class I maxed and still my favorite, I started with the Occulus Bolt and felt like I did no damage, but I thought that was just how the game was so I stuck with it all the way up to relic. Only when I tried other guns and classes did I realize just how terrible the Occulus Bolt is In comparison. I would rather go into a ruthless mission with a green tier Melta than Relic tier Occulus. I feel bolt weapons I general just feel so weak to use and I would love to see them get a big buff especially against Majoris enemies, along with an increase in number of enemies to keep up with the change.

[@calebwilliams5819]

I really agree with is the oculus the other 2 got rule of cool on their side but yeah that powerfist is in dire need of a complete rework and I'm going to continue to main the heavy bolt rifle on my tactical

[@poo55555]

Haven't seen the video but it's prolly Auto Bolter, Occulus Carbine and, Carbine. I also have all these in Relic, lol. Edit: I guess he didn't want to talk about the Auto and Carbine because all 3 weapons are about the same. The Heavy Rifle is basically an LMG that works for suppression. It's OK single target and pretty good for waves and add clear since it gets the perk that can punch through shields. The fist is forgettable. I at least wanna see the carbines fire rate increased to Ludacris levels like 12 or 14, have a bunch of ammo for it and have the reload speed of pistol at 8+ or 9. Keep the damage low and give me the bullet hose I want for maximum Dakka!

[@jocro8090]

Why balance the power fist towards crowd control? Fist weapons have no range or wide sweep potential, it only makes sense as a single enemy weapon.