Top 5 Best Cavalry Archer Civilizations in AoE2

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@DanJiang 2 ай бұрын

I was literally thinking yesterday that man I want a CA tier list after seeing all the redbull action. Amazing time Hera!

@chuy27arts 2 ай бұрын

Same

@sjoerdinho 2 ай бұрын

@Machoman50taso why are you here then?

@henrymuk5066 2 ай бұрын

@Machoman50ta grow up kid

@gebhard128 2 ай бұрын

evry CA civ is S-Tier in the hands of DauT

@Catolicodeguerra 2 ай бұрын

Cuck community is the new tittle for age of empires 2 and Hera audience getting smaller and smaller every day 😅

@f13rro37 2 ай бұрын

Another small advantage that makes the Georgians' CA so strong is that they take less damage when they have high ground, which reduces potential damage by half (-40% instead of -25% like all other civs). And I'm surprised you didn't mention Japanese CA since they are the best in CA vs CA matchups. They are almost like camel archers.

@brucebanner2961 2 ай бұрын

Why are they best?

@f13rro37 2 ай бұрын

@@brucebanner2961 Because of the Japanese bonus "mounted archers +2 vs archers". This also affects Genitour and Kipchak in team games.

@Joakico 2 ай бұрын

And yet another small advantage of Tatar CA, they get +50% damage instead of +25% when fighting from higher ground, and as CA are both ranged and fast unit they're the Nº1 unit to make use of it.

@f13rro37 2 ай бұрын

@@Joakico Yeah, Hera already said that in the video. Plus, they also have Parthian Tactics and Thumb Ring for free, which in my opinion is the selling point.

@f13rro37 2 ай бұрын

Koreans CA are also very good with 50% wood discount and armor upgrades for free. And Persians have the strongest CA in the castle age because they have access to Parthian Tactics one age earlier.

@BlueShellshock 2 ай бұрын

To me, Mongols will always be my #1 just because of how well their Cav Archers sing with their other units. Not only is the Hussar a natural pairing, effectively acting as bonus health for the cav archers, but Drill Onagers are a power counter-the-counters card that acts as a wild against units that usually dominate Cav Archers, but Mongol are not themselves weak to Onagers in return 'cause Mangudai and Light Cav. But Hera also brings up a super good point -- Cav Archers take awhile to get to full upgrades, so anything that gets them more upgraded, earlier, and for free, just cannot be ignored; Georgian health regen, Vietnamese health, and Tatar Thumb Ring are broad-use power spikes that become relevant long before Hussar walls are possible, helping to seal games earlier with constant pressure.

@CaptainCorobo 2 ай бұрын

i actually started playing tatars 2 days ago and have really been enjoying them

@Kehmicle 2 ай бұрын

congrats on the win, very proud to see a canadian take a title and what an insane event with the castle and production and everything. Amazing.

@evanjacob8463 2 ай бұрын

I enjoy Hera's Top 5 videos.

@3lancerofficialmaybe871 2 ай бұрын

Surprised Japanese didn't get an hm

@achaean4780 Ай бұрын

Im so disappointed 😢

@kevinlecavalier9720 2 ай бұрын

Congratz for El Reinador! Luv & Support from MTL!

@jokerpenguin9429 2 ай бұрын

Dont forget the surprisingly effective korean cav archers! Free armor upgrades plus highest CA discount in castle age (20 wood saved per unit). If you need a quick distraction before building your castle, they can be handy before you start massimg wagons.

Ай бұрын

Tatars +20% damage when attacking from higher elevations benefits specially the cav archer with its mobility

@ar1sm70 2 ай бұрын

Expected Magyars to be first (personal preference for the civ overall), but I see the logic for Tatars, great civ too!

@noakeyharding9437 2 ай бұрын

i love Magyars so i'm also biased toward them, but when you think about it their CA are realy strong in VERY late game, in castle they are kinda "meh" compare to other CA civ (and its way more effective to simply go knight when you have tempo since the free upgrade will make ur knight insane in early castle and you can snowball from there). but even in early imp you dont have ur CA teck yet, so they realy become insaney strong in a part of the game (mid imp and+) that doesnt happen every game, since a lot of them will end in feudal or castle anyway, and even if the game goes to imp, if you are behind its realy hard to afford the upgrade who make their CA top tiers, but i will said it doesnt matter since HUSAAAAR SPAAAAAAM for the win x)

@jameshausler5259 2 ай бұрын

Another surprise, would be Saracens as another honorable mention. They are fully upgraded generic CA, but with the healing technology from the castle, a mass of them can heel in less than a min if they are able to create space. (I know all civs can do this, but not be able to heal at the same fast rate!)

@danielmunsaka2051 2 ай бұрын

Cumans honorable mention with faster creation after UT though lacking bracer probably hurts a lot

@AnkaraAnkaraMessiMessiMessi 2 ай бұрын

The top 3 can easily be a shared top 1. Yet it makes sense for Tatars veing #1 for you due to free upgrades. Same principle cuould be applied to the Turk Hussar. The upgrades a free and kick in instant (saving resources and time for the research). I really love how balanced Magyars, Mongols and Tatars are. They have top 10 best lategames so far but getting there is not easy (unlike Georgians, I hate Georgians). PD: Would be cool to see a video of your favorite army comps (mostly in the 4fun aspect) either for 1v1s or TGs.

@myopiniondoesntmatter7068 2 ай бұрын

Here for the tears from reddit/twitch casuals thinking a 23 year old "bug" is big news.

@conorsandin6555 2 ай бұрын

Right? They’re melting down over nothing. It’s cringe lol

@TheOhioNews 2 ай бұрын

Another soild Hera video. Congrats on the Red Bull Wololo trophy ❤. You deserve it man 😊

@rahuldsouza1985 2 ай бұрын

I love Tatars because of cav archers.

@jackwaite4035 2 ай бұрын

Hindustani should be honorable mention to, they feel insane with their economy + it pairs so well with the Camel or Hussar spam.

@imsmeagol911 2 ай бұрын

I've watched #5 and #4 and now thinking the 4 best are left (japanese, mongols, tatars, magyars), but only 3 spots remaining. Going to be interesting.

@lukasvideosify1596 2 ай бұрын

It is interesting that you put the Tatars on rank #1 because I played with them in the last game I played. :)

@SaladEsc 2 ай бұрын

After the redbull finals, it HAS to be tatars!

@lumptydumpty6992 2 ай бұрын

Ah yes, a Tatar man of culture! I’ve been working on a cool build that’s like 6-7 scouts in fuedal with like a 35 vil up time into 3 ranges and 2 TCs, while getting ballistics at a reasonable time. It’s like an all in 1TC play where you get 2TCs constantly producing.

@lumptydumpty6992 2 ай бұрын

Pretty much free sheep and thumbring help so much

@TokurErdem 2 ай бұрын

3 range on a 35 pop??can u work all of them all the time really

@ogoyum 2 ай бұрын

Top of that hg bonus of tatars boosts them even more

@BrunoOliveira-uw6rm 2 ай бұрын

Worst part of CA is the arrow release sound

@sjoerdinho 2 ай бұрын

Tatars are my fav civ for a while now :) always liked CA and now its meta 😅. But tartars also have 2 pluses more they get an 25% attack bonus on high ground and have great fu hussars with the same tec they get +1+1 armor.

@carrotspies 2 ай бұрын

I love Tatars. Sheep bonus makes scouts into CA very smooth. But predictable.

@exeonx6561 2 ай бұрын

The list is definitely correct when you consider "cav archer civs" If you want "the best cav archer" it's magyar cav archers, hands down, but as a civ, it's only recently they even got a bonus that applies in the castle age, before that they were actually worse than generic in castle age, as they have no eco bonuses to support them. Tartars don't get the best CA, but they get so many great CA bonuses to get them rolling that I have to agree with the list. I don't quite understand why Japanese isn't on the list though, and Georgians did. Georgians lack the last armor upgrade, and more importantly thumb ring, while Japanese get bonus damage against archers with their CA. This means in castle age they be quite effective against archers, and other CA civs. While not as prominent as some others on this list, surely it deserves a mention.

@CragHack 2 ай бұрын

No, it's not. FU Tatar CA are practically just as strong as Magyar. +1 damage gets negated by +1 pierce armor. Then it's all about micro and hills. Tatars will do more on a hill, Magyar will have a bit more range. So Magyar are only at 1 point in the game marginally stronger than Tatar (post-Imp), while Tatar beat them the whole time before that. Therefore it doesn't make sanse to rank Magyar above. Japanese CA are, by the same logic, at least on par with both. Hera definitely forgot about them.

@exeonx6561 2 ай бұрын

@@CragHack I disagree here "A bit more range" is much more important than you'd think, especially for a mobile unit. If it's 25% more hill bonus vs +1 range I'd take +1 range anytime. You get a free first shot, before tartars can fire, with a bit of micro you can get several more shots in during your CA's lifespan. If you consider meatshields the additional range also helps the damage as magyar CA will need to move less to keep firing. Either way, the additional range and attack has many more implications than only the CA vs CA argument. It makes them much more effective than regular CA against high pierce armor targets or other ranged units, defense isn't as valuable on a unit that shouldn't get hit in the first place. Ideally it's hussar+CA, and in that setup, magyar CA (outside of their insane hussars) are the best in the game if we aren't talking about unique units.

@CragHack 2 ай бұрын

@@exeonx6561 I agree but it's marginal. They're not MUCH stronger. Tatar beat them at any other stage in the game and even then it's about micro. Overall it's advantage Tatar CA. Not everything is about post-Imp.

@sirawesome1174 2 ай бұрын

Literally posted this two days after beating viper in the finals with Tatar fast CA

@mellow7938 2 ай бұрын

Calling Mongol #1 before watching

@noakeyharding9437 2 ай бұрын

almost ! but nice try :p

@luddite31 2 ай бұрын

Interesting you don't mention the Japanese, since they pretty much win any direct 1v1 CA fight with their recent buff. Plus it's an instant, free bonus which kicks in early. but admittedly you don't normally sit around fighting CA 1v1, so maybe that buff isn't as important as the bonus some other civs get.

@Calgaryman10 2 ай бұрын

Yeah, I don't know about that bonus. If you play against Japs you simply don't go CA and so you are fine. Definitely not as good as Georgians healing CA which was the HM

@robergroso 2 ай бұрын

and his bonus kills skirmisher too

@luddite31 2 ай бұрын

@robergroso not anymore, that got patched out

@Gravitatis 2 ай бұрын

mr hera can you make a video about why CA fell out of favor in the first place? ive been watching since the zeroempire days and i remember when every game was a huns CA war, but i dont remember why CA stopped being popular

@jeremybrowne9221 2 ай бұрын

I think there is a difference between CA in the castle and imperial ages. Magyar fully upgraded cav archers are number 1 in Imp in my opinion.

@benjaminleibowitz8492 2 ай бұрын

Vietnamese also get free conscription so that is something to consider

@evanjacob8463 2 ай бұрын

Ngl, I expected Mongols at number 1. Those Mangudai, the OG cheat unit.

@Dmyster_92 2 күн бұрын

Is there any civ with all the upgrades without necessarily being the mongols or a CA only civ ? ( thumb ring , Parthian tactics , ballistics , chemistry , bracer)

@bassegoder 2 ай бұрын

Magyar eco bonus is harassing enemy's eco lol

@Dawoud_Shirin 2 ай бұрын

You didn't talk about the Tatar hill damage bonus! I feel like that's a big deal!

@ryanforgo3500 2 ай бұрын

@hear your video gave me the idea, have we ever had a "best cav archer rush civs" video? the internet is filled with best civs rushing archer, knight, scout, monk, siege even long swords and so on so on. not may on cav archers

@harktischris 2 ай бұрын

as someone who's played mostly koreans, i would love it if 50% wood discount and free armor on cav archers would somehow make their CA relevant, but I guess it's too passive or niche a bonus? or doesn't mesh well with their bad stable?

@alltmisc 2 ай бұрын

They cost 40W 60G, would have been nice if it was the other way around. While -20W isn’t bad at all (-20% total res cost) the fact that they lack bloodlines hurt a lot, they’re stuck at a measly 50HP in castle and 60HP for heavy cavalry archer. Bloodlines is a 40% HP increase. Also lacking PT in imperial makes them just die to arbs regardless of discount. You also cannot add melee cavalry as a meat shield later. However discount and free armor is not bad at all, just make sure you use it against the correct civs in the correct situations. Perhaps a teuton player that already invested early into two stables and cannot easily switch into skirms.

@schmeed0000 2 ай бұрын

this one was inevitable

@shahoul1 2 ай бұрын

So was this Best Cav Archer Civs or civs with best Cav Archers?

@david_oliveira71 2 ай бұрын

What about Khmer CA? They're pretty good, no? @Hera

@CoconutJewce 2 ай бұрын

Before watching : 1. Tatars 2. Georgians 3. Mongols 4. Huns 5. Turks/Japanese 0: Berbers because Camel Archers are the best and they regenerate. Edit: Totally forgot about Magyars. lol

@al_l_onechange2315 2 ай бұрын

Of course you placed turks/japanese both on rank 5 before watching... as everybody does that naturally in top 5 list 😂

@CoconutJewce 2 ай бұрын

@@al_l_onechange2315 Honestly had Turks then Japanese, then remembered Georgians existed so I put them joint last, yeah.

@Oakenlix 2 ай бұрын

@@al_l_onechange2315Hera had Vietnamese there instead of Japanese

@al_l_onechange2315 2 ай бұрын

@@Oakenlixwas wondering y japanese didn't make the list at all. But i couldn't believe that someone would put two civs on rank 5, exactly as hera did, before watching the video. Was not about the civs...

@zhelwankarkuky9173 2 ай бұрын

Japanese should've been on this list they beat every CA head to head and their bonus helps against foot archers and skirmishers too

@jeregno 2 ай бұрын

With the no House bonus huns will outproduce everyone in Castle age. Huns are LOVE, huns are Life, huns are #1

@koutetsusama2498 2 ай бұрын

Exactly, hidden wood bonus. Was my favorite in AoC days as well!

@ascillia 2 ай бұрын

props to spirit of the law for promoting hera in his cav archer ranking list

@th-od4yv 2 ай бұрын

what does "faster firing do"?

@noakeyharding9437 2 ай бұрын

i mean it's in the name ? you fire faster ? i dont know what else to tell you mate XD as for why the fact of firering faster is strong, is quite simple, when ur unit fire they stop moving, so they cant evade hit from enemy randge or increased the distance again melee enemy while shoting, when you move you dodge some arrow, and ur run and hit agains melee will be more effective if you spend less time stationary.

@Oakenlix 2 ай бұрын

@@noakeyharding9437it's not exactly clear what "firing faster" means. It could mean faster reload time or it could mean faster attack delay. I'm pretty sure it's the first option.

@th-od4yv 2 ай бұрын

@@Oakenlix exactly, is thé stop delay less, do the arrows move faster, is the reload time less?....

@Felix_EN 2 ай бұрын

Hans are hans

@jeregno 2 ай бұрын

'Remember what, Father?' I asked him. The scent of a burning village. The sound of butchery. The way peasants would flee before the Hun riders. The way we would ride them down. The way it felt to conquer alongside Attila and the Huns. He leaned so close I could feel his breath. 'Sometimes... ...I miss it.'

@whawk810 2 ай бұрын

Best counter for CA ?

@sp4tz339 2 ай бұрын

scorpions and skirms

@daarom3472 2 ай бұрын

0:33 also with Meso then? Do you think if Meso convers an archery range they should get a xolotl archer?

@Dnw15 2 ай бұрын

GOOD GAME

@purevsurenpuje9283 2 ай бұрын

I think berbers camel archer dominate all

@Oakenlix 2 ай бұрын

The video is about the generic cavalry archers

@qwerty-xv1vi 2 ай бұрын

CONGRATULATIONS ENHORABUENA💪🏻💪🏻

@_NaGa_koRn 2 ай бұрын

Anybody remember the real AOE player _NaGa_Koshu??? The best ever player

@daarom3472 2 ай бұрын

quite surprised portuguese arent on this list. Cheapest CA in the game in castle age with a decent eco to back it up. Saving 12 gold per unit is very very solid. On top of that they are a civ that has many options in Castle Age so its easy to keep your opponent guessing (is it gonna be double stable knights or triple stable CA).

@teddyhaines6613 2 ай бұрын

No heavy CA is kind of a dealbreaker in Imp.

@daarom3472 2 ай бұрын

@@teddyhaines6613 how many games truly go to imp though? CA is mostly used anyways for map control in castle age after which players switch into a late game comp. Portuguese can easily open archers, then go into CA in castle age and revert back to Arb / LC in imp (using same upgrades). IMO ports are at least better than Huns here.

@teddyhaines6613 2 ай бұрын

@@daarom3472 Huns have a comparable discount to Portuguese in castle and straight up more in Imp, man. You're just saying Portuguese are a better civ in general, which may be true but isn't exactly in the spirit of the list. Otherwise we may as well add Chinese to the list and put Georgians at number one because they're the best civ and the best civ with CA, therefore the best CA civ.

@daarom3472 2 ай бұрын

@@teddyhaines6613 their discount is bigger in castle age, they have better eco and better walling potential to stay safe at home while moving around with CA. CA are mostly used in castle age as well. Not saying they are top tier, but definitely better than Huns (whose CA play is very overrated IMO, they really need to get -15% / -25%).

@teddyhaines6613 2 ай бұрын

@@daarom3472 I don't agree with your contention that CA are a primarily castle age unit you switch away from, but if that's true then you shouldn't single out Huns as the overrated CA civ, you should be complaining about Magyars. They've got no eco bonus whatsoever and an inconsequential castle age bonus.

@krystofcisar469 2 ай бұрын

I dont even care at this point - if the civ have bracer and elite cav archer im playing it :D

@pedrocarvalho307 2 ай бұрын

Actually u cant go with meso and bohemians 0:30 😂

@陳柏安-q5k 2 ай бұрын

5 Vietnam & Turk 4 Hunts 3 Magyars 2 Mongols 1 Tatars Special: Georgian can heal

@DiEdGaSt 2 ай бұрын

Dude, explain the micro glitch you used in the final

@TheBikeOnTheMoon 2 ай бұрын

the patrol glitch? It's been like that in the game since forever. How about blaming the dev for not doing a good job instead? Also, there is no rule that prohibited players from doing it.

@Peetovw 2 ай бұрын

Subtitles available please? 🙂

@Peetovw 2 ай бұрын

Much thanks!

@imsmeagol911 2 ай бұрын

No Japanese whatsoever? Not even an HM?

@bennierenfro 2 ай бұрын

First? Also congrats!

@joelcarrizales2435 2 ай бұрын

Magyars #3???? 😤😤😤

@nishalvijayan2481 2 ай бұрын

I need u to play 1 v 2 against extreme ai plz

@jk2duelingcommentaryandana744 2 ай бұрын

How are Magyars not #1? 25% faster Ca out of ranges production, absolute monsters in imp

@noakeyharding9437 2 ай бұрын

because every game dont go to imp, Magyars very late game have the best CA in the game no quesiton about it, but that doesnt make them the best CA civ, their castle CA are just basic, and a lot of game end at feudal or castle age (when they dont end their is still often in these timing than one player take a lead on the other), and even for game who goes to imp, if you are behind cause ur oponent take a lead n you in castle age it will be very hard to afford all the upgrade who make Magyars CA OP, also faster prod is a ok bonus but not insane, and in imp it is even negligable since if you have the ressource you can just build more production building for ur CA anyway :x that being said, Magyars is still my favorite civ x)