Top 5 Best Class Setups in BO4 After the Update! (Nov 2018)

[@georgesb5289]

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[@t00lh43]

Ace is definitely one of the top cod youtubers!

[@michaelscave8452]

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[@vette1]

Yeah him and PrestigeIsKey are quite nice

[@silentthrillergaming4862]

The Maddox is the best SMG in the game.

[@squirtlydude1101]

Silent Thriller Gaming the SMGs are the best Maddox

[@kevo300]

I'd rather use a nerf gun than all the smgs 😂😂😂

[@GodlyODB]

kevo300 you haven’t used the saug on Hacienca or slums. Or the GKS/ MX9 on contraband then. The subs kill in one less bullet now except the GKS but it’s so accurate that you just have to choose your gunfights wisely. With the new mx9 and my saug i average at least 25-32 kills every tdm game. AR’s and the Fuckin Titan still run the game tho

[@smoothcriminal4421]

And the gks is the worst assault rifle

[@forgotten8888]

I find the mx9 to be better

[@Jelkiin]

I still don’t like what they did to ads time to “buff” smgs

[@jarencascino7604]

Jelle Brandt I think that’s fine but it doesn’t substitute a buff for smgs

[@sunskyriver]

The range buff is nice but it needs to be able to have a cqc EDGE. It doesn't matter when all the smgs kill in 6 shots up close you know? I am sick of using the Spitfire up close and landing shots only to be taken out by an Auger DMR. What sense does it make that an Auger with high cal can destroy you at point blank when you have an smg? It is aggravating and I agree, they need to look at giving the smgs a reasonable buff.

[@flyinhawaiiangc7310]

Agreed. They should’ve upped some of the fire rates without any increase to recoil to make the SMG kill times faster. Instead, we got the VAPR which I swear, even after the nerf, is basically the best all around weapon right now. Almost anything else I use feels like there’s a disadvantage in some way shape or form where the VAPR doesn’t.

[@Cheesesteakfreak]

No, Smgs are fine. No buff needed. Saug is god tier. What, you want to snipe with them too? And their time to kill doesn't need to be high, because you already have a mobility, hipfire, and ADS advantage, so...

[@robmassey9179]

For me SMGs still feel inferior but I still use them because they cater to my playstyle. AR's feel so heavy and slow even with quickdraw and gung ho.

[@CharlesSmith-yk6qy]

One of my favorite versions of Titan is to run FMJ-II and QuickDraw (stock doesn’t increase speed even remotely enough to be useful to me) Engineer, Gung-Ho, Deadsilence (Player-Self Steps are COMICALLY too loud) I get to wall-punch very very effectively, standardized Titan performance and one last lovely little bonus of being able to shoot down enemy Strike Teams and Care Packages with amazing ease. Little fun facts: if you destroy the Care Package before it reaches its relative destination, the package is lost. Same for the Mantis. If you destroy the delivery chopper for the strike team before they actually land on the ground, they’re dead. Period. This is good to know because lots of us know that trying to shoot either of these down with rockets is very difficult, they simply won’t make it in time. But the Titan with FMJ-II kills them both in about 15 bullets. As long as you have a clear line of sight, those pesky things are done for before ever touching the arena. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve made someone rage after they worked so hard to get their Strike Team and/or Mantis and I’ll stand there and say “nope!” Lol A lot of times they’ll leave the game haha

[@amr-bw4gf]

No smg classes. What a surprise

[@Hidden237]

Ameer Rehman right? Lol

[@periodic98]

Ameer Rehman Maddox the only one haha

[@fiiv3s]

If he played on PC this would be totally different. There would def be some SMG classes

[@viperson9818]

Smg, can't compete with the top dogs. Shoot one bullet, dies instantly.

[@coryfitzpatrick7769]

Kimbo 9mm Smg are deadly FYI

[@andreasspanias3696]

Hades is definetely a very underrated gun.Especially with rapid fire it can melt teams.

[@aarong2k138]

"Another LMG class that you're probably getting annoyed with" -.- yes. Its annoying. Every lobby as at least 2-3 titan users...on each team. People thought the ICR was bad? The titan has been outplaying every gun since launch LuL

[@Checkmate1NN]

Right, fuck the Titan

[@andreivaldez2929]

You've never been dunked on by the Titan until you've come across the OpMod for it. It and the Strobe Light are ridiculous.

[@Checkmate1NN]

@@andreivaldez2929 true

[@Destiny-zw8hf]

True I still think icr is worse on average I can handle the titan player easier

[@TheJonesmonster55]

vkm is the most broken gun in the game I rush with it and can beat spitfires close range

[@BruceColton]

Finally a content creator that actually has a class setup guide with screenshots of the actual setup! So many videos you click on that say "BEST CLASS SETUP ICR-7!" are just a bunch of random game play not showing me the actual setup. Thanks for making great, digestible and top notch CoD content Ace. We ALL appreciate you very much! _B

[@seancoughlin5713]

Right now i'm using the Rampart 17 with grip, high cal. 1 and 2, and reflex. It's deadly.

[@MozzyTheMoose]

My go to setup for dealing with sweaties: -Titan w/Holo Sight, Quick Draw, Stock, I can't remember my 3rd attachment but it's not Ext. Mag or FMJ -Rocket Launcher -Acoustic Sensor because I'm visually disabled and it helps me know where people are since I can barely see the tiny dots on the Radar -Scavanger because I hate running out of ammo and having to pick up other people's goofy guns -Dead Silence because I can't hear anything over my 200 lb. rhinoceros feet stomping around otherwise Dropped a 22-0 TDM earlier with this. I would highly recommend.

[@sanchez2823]

The titan with fmj 1 and 2. Infored scope and stock this gun melts. My personal favorite. Nice video Ace!

[@calloforestis3126]

The Swordfish, for good players that can use it because its pretty hard to use,it's insane

[@lukeeggerman]

Call Of Orestis I always use the swordish

[@lukeeggerman]

Swordfish

[@rifie1495]

when i finished my dark matter grind i found myself going back to the swordfish alot. hybrid mags fmj and penta burst. used to be quickdraw and fmj but now with the nerfed ammo count i prefer mags

[@xCxnnor]

With the penta burst it’s insane

[@shaxxgaming3837]

Abr 223 and swordfish are easy to use its just up to the user if he or she likes burst fire guns

[@andrewoestmann9826]

I like the Hades with op. mod, laser sight 1 and 2 and hybrid mags. Love your vids man! This really helps me out because I tend to struggle keeping my killstreaks up

[@leemckenzie1561]

X,A. I just want to say thanks for all your videos. Im really knew at cod n all your videos are helping me raise my kd. Can't wait to see your next one. Thanks again!

[@ToohysHD]

Nice. that Maddox class is legit the class I use already and I’m tellin ya, it’s a beast👍

[@tomcabler257]

Love the Maddox and the swordfish also the icr-7 but my personal favorite is the rampart 17

[@ydksinister]

I agree the Titan is a beast, I started using it because I got the black knight for reaching tier 50. Yeah this thing melts players and I do what you do too, if I’m struggling I switch to that and it just decimates

[@eriktenorio5019]

If you use the titan just go fmj2 and put a thermal on it. With engineer and cold blooded. Then put a a consect device and run crash. Blow up all UAVs and stay behind. Run uavs and counter uavs with care package.

[@zeldalinketh]

Eriktenorio Tenorio that fucking sounds fun lol

[@eriktenorio5019]

@@zeldalinketh first gunship I ever had came running that setup and I rerolled a counter uav into it lol

[@venomhelix2729]

Rampart 17 with both high calibers, FMJ, fast mag, scavenger, dead silence and stim

[@Fin_Ale]

I've been playing a lot of hardcore going for camos and oh my Jesus the Mozu with that scope and the Strifs are DIRTY! One shot kill at almost any reasonable range with no major drawbacks.

[@QikKryptic]

Auger with high caliber and FMJ + high caliber mk 2 if you want it with any perk setup is the best setup you can run rushing or camping.

[@naturalflirt2424]

Hey amazing videos. Such high quality, a tip would be for gun guides try and use as many reticles and iron sights just so people know what the iron sights look like

[@sirpenguin4976]

Great video and hey i can see that theres more of a demonstration with the class setups and how itll look in game man thats good im glad you listen to your viewers

[@jeandouillette107]

Thanx for the vid, I play your VAPR class, just changed the stock for the suppressor. Best AR overall.

[@dataripz]

Ha! I love the Titan also! I mostly avoid close room battles because I lose most of those with out quick draw or stock 2 yet. I love taking down snipers nest, UAVs and watching strike team falling out of the sky when I unload my Titan into that chopper. I seek random coverage in and out to get killed from the snipers nest. No need for salvo but I need team link to lay down cover fire with torque or recon on night maps. Strickly defense here. FMJ-1&2, no one else wants to do it, I'll never come in first or second but it's all good 👍

[@tobywonkinoby8916]

I’ve been loving the auger. Glad to see you like it too.

[@Cutsbytay]

Thanks I just got the game and looked you up because you have been really reliable in the past CODS thanks keep it up please

[@haivox2409]

I been running auger: red Dot, high Calibur 1&2, operator mod. Hung ho, dead silence. Stim shot. I know the operator mod is a lot but only thing killing faster than that burst is a sniper

[@haivox2409]

RifIe 1 🤣

[@kyle-nt5fe]

Oh my gosh! Ily no homo tho. All those other KZbinrs make 10+ minutes videos and repeat so much. Thank u for making a great, short video

[@poisonousthing4536]

I love how your keeping the class up in the top right!

[@norn3734]

The kn is underrated, it's like one of my favourite guns and I would say one of the best with the right attachments

[@j-lon3564]

The Hades with laser sight I and II and the operator mod is pretty effective too.

[@mstrapicana8837]

Please give us a decent SMG. Bring back the MP7.

have you tried the saug? its my #1 for aggressive playstyle

[@mstrapicana8837]

James Bělík yeah I play with it too but I just feel like the SMGs this game took a big blow compared to the previous games. Or the ARs are just wayyy better this game.

[@shaxxgaming3837]

The spitfire is op 😏 just people are blind as well as gks and saugs are good as well

[@mstrapicana8837]

@@shaxxgaming3837 I wouldnt say it's op. It's good up close, but the ARs are still outgunning the SMGs up close which is ridiculous.

[@mstrapicana8837]

@@shaxxgaming3837 the GKS is decent tho. That was the first gun I got gold.

[@brandonpeche7542]

Been having a lot of fun using Strife with relfex, suppressor, FMJ, and long barrel. Absolutely shreds of you can aim

[@rifie1495]

yeah strife is alot of fun. i use the operator mod with fmj and suppressor just as a fun class

[@destroythehuman3380]

Gks with grip one and two, long barrel. KILLER!!! Rampart with high cal 1+2

[@kingcodester1112]

My top 5 guns I love using would have to be the VAPR, Maddox, Rampart, Kn-57, and the Swordfish. Tones of other great guns but these shine most for me, Titan could be added in too

[@PandasEatBamboo]

Lumberjack class: Hades w/ crossbar Laser sight 1&2 Hybrid mags Stim shot or Comsec device Engineer (or gung-ho if you're being extra aggressive)

[@Tuvzii]

i honestly feel the same about the comment of if youre trying to come back you use that last lmg class, i dont have that exact setup but i feel the same way about the titan

[@lucasanders4131]

Ace your the man. Always watching your videos and love all the details you provide. I would really enjoy asking you a question or two on your streams if I get the chance.

[@shaxxgaming3837]

My favorite and underrated gun the Spitfire. Loadout. Weapon/Weapon mods -Spitfire with any sight, extended mag, fmj and wildfire Ability - Stim shot Perks - scavenger and lightweight or gun ho or deadly silent Highly underrated and just melts just melts cant denie

[@jackbauer5003]

I think equipment charge is underrated. I know people tend to use stim shot, but I've put equip charge on some of my classes to take advantage of the specialists. In TDM, I can lock down areas with torque and have neverending supply of razor wire, barricades... multiple cujos/meshes, ajax shields & plenty of annoying 9 bangs, etc. Etc. Curious your thoughts or if I'm imagining, but feel its viable option & has been game changer in many cases by getting an extra ajax shield or cujo late in match.

[@707zacbuster]

the titan with the thermal scope is super good as well

[@Laayoh]

Surprisingly for me, my go-to guns have been any of the LMGs and I've been doing way better with them then the ARs.

[@jefft2353]

I run extended mags, FMJ I, FMJ II, and quickdraw on my Titan. It annihilates. Also I've been using the Hades after the nerf and they are pretty similar except the fact that the Titan has more of an AR feel opposed to the heavy feel of the Hades.

[@austinpreston5073]

You’re underrated Ace, love the content

[@blackraen]

I almost always try to play with a different gun/setup every match, but I keep that exact Titan setup in my pocket at all times for struggle lobbies. When in doubt, Pull the Titan out.

[@Okanehira]

Great video man, I want to give that Auger class a try.

[@xdaywolf]

Those saying snipers need a nerf dont realize how hard it is to be consistent with them. ½ of the snipers can't be used seriously ever. Then there's the koshka, which still you have to be really skilled to have your one shots and high k/d and actually have a high score. Then there's the king paladin, which has an insanely small clip and low fire rate. They dont need nerf as they no way surpass regular ARs for example in consistency. Try it yourself before you complain.

[@andreivaldez2929]

NintenJoe You shouldn't be able to use a long range weapon as a close range weapon. We've all had experiences putting 4-5 rounds into a sniper and them turning around and dropping us with one shot at close range, not because they outplayed us, but because they took advantage of the extra time this longer TTK gave them to react. If the Paladin was the only one that stood as the superior option then it should've received a nerf to bring it back in line with the rest.

[@semahj]

Andrei Valdez most of the times those kills are just lucky. 9 times out of ten you get in close with a sniper you will win.

[@xdaywolf]

@@andreivaldez2929 ok so lets say it never one shots, what then? 2 hits till kill on bolt action? Impossible to use. Paladin and snipers are fine. That's like complaining about shotguns having decent range or that they one shot, cmon the weapons are doing their job.

[@Seanotray121]

Can’t see the sniper issues, rarely get done close range, but the way I see it is the same gun so a bullet from across the map or close up is still a bullet

[@PAS2010D]

@@xdaywolf the sniper one shotting is fine. The issue is every other gun taking 6 fucking shots almost. Then that gives the snipes an incredible advantage. If the ttk was 3 shots they wouldn't have the time to spin and bloop you.

[@bigbodyg35]

Since launch date I grinded with 2 main weapons the MX9 & LCR-7 both are pretty solid guns if u learn how to match the right perks with them.

[@uGotSN1p3dB1cH]

Auger has been my favorite since launch but scar is a close second with HC 2!! Also palidan ls fun af once you get high cal 2

[@calebmoore6201]

Great video, definitely helpful especially on the weapons I don’t use often!!

[@obey9341]

I enjoy using the Titan but when my team sucks I switch over to Hades for up close action to catch up 🤘

[@TylerAndToast]

Maddox rush class and auger with double high cal (pair that with its operator mod and you can one burst people)

[@forgotten8888]

I know im a bit early to say this but, pick my class, The Axis kill3r ge0 class AKA me, ONLY pistols, the stryfe with supressor ext mags reflex sight, ext barrel scavenger,ghost,dead silence, body armour, specialist is crash, equipment is assualt pack and you can only use a pistol Ace, no picking up any other weapon of any sort

[@jackbauer5003]

I like the augr with the OP mod, HC1 & 2. I know op mod takes up extra slots but worth it, it is a melt machine.

[@xenon5493]

Hey Ace, are you going to be doing some stat videos on Blackout? I'd love to see your views on the best weapons in that mode.

[@ImDaBadGuy]

I noticed if you run the maddox with both quickdraw1&2 and a dual zoom you get zero recoil

[@jameslease8940]

Every video I come across always seems to be sleeping on my favorite gun in the game. Cordite w/ rapid fire, red dot or Eli, extended mag (90rounds)QuickDraw or grip, coms, tac mask, gung go, ghost. 91-16 was my best match on chaos dom and I never see anyone using that gun. It’s in my top 3 once you equip rapid fire. It melts and it’s soooo accurate!! Use that class with crash and you’ll be going on killstreaks forever!!!

[@jameslease8940]

Elo* Gung ho*

[@LtRavenClaw]

I like the Auger with the operator mod that makes it a burst rifle.

[@t00lh43]

Thanks ace! Have you tried fast mags II on the Maddox? Your second reload is automatic, it's almost like you dont even reload it is that fast!

[@goaliepro1996]

I’ve used the VKM since day one. Now everyone’s gonna use it

[@shady4360]

Thanks for making a quick video instead of a 10:05 minute video with a lot of nonsense

[@brentsta]

Surprised the swordfish isn't on here. PC may be different, but it's my go to every time.

[@Geneticlyinsane1]

Glad to see I'm not the only 1 who screw's up jumping through the hole in the side of the church lol

[@Bellthegaomon]

Hey, will you be getting the PC version too now that they are changing the balancing based on platform?

[@Deekity]

Bellthegaomon it would surprise me to see anyone do the PC version. It’s a LOT harder to consistently dominate on PC since the control aspect of the game is more even and there’s no aim assist etc. You can’t do 99% of what you see YTers do on PC. I have never seen anyone even get a natural gunship while playing PC, let alone a nuke.

[@Bellthegaomon]

@@Deekity you dont have to pay to use the internet connection you already have and you dont need to play on potato graphics when you play on PC :P

[@theshakes]

@@Deekity That just results from more people generally being more skilled on PC. It has a higher skill cap though because no aim assist and more the game depending more on aim then the game helping you.

[@collinkimball6231]

Bellthegaomon you don’t have to play tryhards 24/7 on console

[@Bellthegaomon]

Wunder it’s not really a skill gap as much as how people choose to play. Good players who are godly with a mouse zip around with an ar or even smg. The bad players that lack thumbs sit in the corner using a lmg, fire shotgun or head glitch with a lmg or sniper.

[@cosmicpuma1409]

I play Titan and Shottie ... Or Launcher.. Great class as you say... I'm not a top player (yet)..lol... But it's awesome.. Great Vid too, thanx x

[@angrymegamind5139]

Thanks for Video. Looks like I have some reconfiguration to do tonight.

[@jackscott1097]

My personal 2 favorites are the saug with the op mod and fast mags, and a vkm class with fast mags rapid fire and grip

[@jacobleitelt]

Should do some pick my class videos soon. I’ve been using the saug with stock II and fast mags with skulker. Strafe while crouched super fast

[@pearljenkins5358]

A class I like to use is the DMR with a reflex, high cal 1 and 2 with double tap and for perks I use dexterity and ghost for equipment I use equipment charge

[@MavicAVF]

Ive been loving the spitfire recently, only smg i really like beside the mx9

[@alexgodden780]

i find the hades with the cross bar, laser sight 2, and rapid fire just mows down people even at pretty far ranges

[@stinkyfeetfilms]

This guy is bringing cod videos back to lifffeeee

[@nedkelley7364]

If u use the operator mod double tap on the auger dmr it’s got the lowest time to kill that’s not instant

[@Will.i.amYoung]

Personally don't think you need quickdraw on the titan, I run it with FMJ 1 and FMJ 2 stock and the oppressor with just gun ho. Seem to drop people super quick plus can fire through walls and people don't expect it at all.

[@eladblaier898]

vapr with ELO sight, rapid fire, long barrel and stock my gear is stim shot and my perks are scaveger,lightweight and dead silence i think this class setup is perfect for mid range

[@n.i.c.k5984]

My favorite class is the Palidan with high caliper,fmj, and stabilizer

[@manny75586]

The VKM is bordering on OP. That thing kills kind of insanely fast.

[@luziver5998]

the hades? its so underrated because i barely see people use it now... its all icr and titan (they are not bad)

[@MavicAVF]

The ADS time i can really feel on the AR’s now since last time i played was before the patch, really screws with my classes now especially the rampart, it’s terrible now

[@humanthefinite8304]

Gungho and quick draw nearly eliminate ads time.

[@tiffer45]

Ace you got a cold? Good video as always thank you man you work hard!

[@vicentegonzales5690]

I run crash with my buddy. I use assault pack when needed and tak5. So I can open up my buddies class options

[@stevenkoutsouradis2387]

Love the video, hate the auger, took my kd down like .1 going for gold

[@anthg4563]

ICR with double grip and nvir still melts

[@climax1036]

Vsauce Michael if you put thermal on the icr you need to quit playing

[@anthg4563]

AJZB don’t knock it till you try it ;)

[@climax1036]

@@anthg4563 nah you some doo doo cakes if you use that shit

[@anthg4563]

AJZB miss me with that head glitch shit

[@robbivarius74]

@@climax1036 lol😂

[@EminemVideoEdits]

Can someone explain to me why he always says headshots doesn’t matter cause i don’t get it at all. Like how come they don’t matter?

[@rifie1495]

they dont make the gun kill faster is what he means

[@themarathonman2874]

I love using shotguns so I usually run around with the paladin or if I feel like using a semi auto shotty I will use the outlaw.

[@gageplughoff2862]

Hey ace List was POINT 🔥 great vid

[@MaxSpeedMike]

The swordfish is total ass but still so fun to use. So satisfying when you pull off feeds with it

[@beasty496]

10/10

[@josiasdiaz8859]

MaxSpeed It’s awesome in Hardcore modes. I love my Swordfish class.

[@beasty496]

@@josiasdiaz8859 What is it? Trying to get it gold myself

[@MaxSpeedMike]

@@josiasdiaz8859 oh for sure. In hardcore tdm it's OP haha

[@rifie1495]

@@beasty496 for hardcore definatly slap both Quickdraw 1 and 2 since its all about that reaction time in hc. reflex and maybe hybrid mags but not necessary

[@Vaxtr]

Titan with thermal scope fmj 1 & 2 with quick draw

[@stealyy]

Bro the vkm is so underrated I have diamond on lmgs and vkm was the easiest one it's really good for holding angles and objectives

[@Krestyan495]

The second smg and kn are kind op if have the right attachments

[@MeLLoVersace]

Hey Ace do you feel like long barrel on Vapr is key since the patch dropped its range

[@z00mBG]

KN-57 Rapidfire, quickdraw, stock, red dot . Scav, lightweight, ghost Also for some reason I pretty much dominate small maps with MX9 with extended, reddot, heavybarrel. Scav, gasmask,lightweight, ghost

[@legionDC]

On PC BOPS 4, the Saug 9mm Akimbos & Spitfire w/ Wild Fire mod run the lobbies. At least in Free For All. That's all I play.

[@rifie1495]

wait until people catch on to mozu with op mod on PC

[@venomhelix2729]

Swordfish with RDS, FMJ, high caliber, op mod, scavenger, dead silence and stim

[@trevorlittles7081]

Good work on the video, well made!

[@mariosactron7617]

I find that playing on PC almost requires you to have Acoustic Sensor. I really wish I could use Stim, because it's so nice to have, but on PC the players flank and rush so hard that without acoustic it's almost guaranteed death from behind 4 seconds after spawning.

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1) Vapr (with whatever you want) 2) Vapr (with whatever you want but different from number 1) 3) Vapr (with whatever you want but different from number 1 and 2) 4) Vapr (with whatever you want but different from number 1,2 and 3) 5) Vapr (with whatever you want but different from number 1,2,3 and 4)

[@MichaelCaroisi]

Icr grip 1 grip 2 and quick draw with reflex or vapr with suppressor, elo rapid fire, stock

[@transfiguration8865]

The SMGs are still incredibly weak to ARs in this game. The patch was just a nerf to the overall MP experience. If I had to make a list of the top 5 best guns in the game, it would still mainly be ARs: Rampart, Maddox, VAPR, AUG, Titan.

[@Gugnar678]

Transfiguration auger with operator mod, not sure why he didnt use the operator mod on it

[@ThatGuyTheo]

Transfiguration I would switch out the abr for the swordfish, if you can be accurate, that gun will always kill in one burst

[@captainmacmillan1752]

I agree with the maddox, vapr, auger and titan but I think the icr-7 is clearly better than the rampart. The icr is super easy to use whereas the rampart has a lot of unpredictable recoil. Also in competitive people either run the maddox or icr, but nobody really uses the rampart.

[@Rap1dACE]

I still really like the saug. Superior movement good recoil with grip and fast handling. At close range id rather have it. Instead of vapr then maddox into titan. It can still lose to vapr and titan

[@SouSporting]

And the Strife. In a precise fast trigger finger it will make any one rage.