TOP 5 Color Calibration Q&A And Thank you for 2300+ Subs!!!

TOP 5 Color Calibration Q&A And Thank you for 2300+ Subs!!!
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In this video I will answer the following top 5 color management questions:
1:04 1. Do I need to set a color space before and after I calibrate my display? This answer will cover both software and hardware calibrated displays.
3:35 2. What is the best brightness value to set the display to for photo editing and why?
4:22 3. What if I don’t print, should I still set the display to print brightness?
6:07 4. What white point should I calibrate my display to D65 or D50?
9:12 5. My workflow is sRGB based, should I calibrate my display to sRGB and edit all of my images in sRGB or a larger color space?
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[@gregnoelken7270]

Very helpful information. Thanks for taking the time to answer those questions is great detail.

[@ArtIsRight]

Any time!

[@black-and-light]

Perfect! Thanks a lot!

[@ArtIsRight]

You're welcome!

[@firlefansel8496]

Great as always. Thanks a lot.

[@ArtIsRight]

Thank you!

[@RyanSP]

Congrats Art on reaching 2300 subs!

[@ArtIsRight]

Thank you so much 😀

[@SachinBalan_PB]

Ah! Finally there's the video i am looking. 👍 Great info content. Better than Eizo.

[@ArtIsRight]

:)

[@charlarge3555]

Awesome! Mazel Tov!

[@ArtIsRight]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@peterpage597]

Thank you Art for another informative video. I have a question about something that never seems to get addressed in videos or articles about colour management. I have an AMD Radeon RX 570 graphics card which, like most graphics cards, ships with drivers and software that has settings that will affect the colour. Where does that fit into my calibration process? And more specifically, what should I with these settings, if anything, to ensure that they aren't interfering with my calibration? (I'm calibrating an SW320 using Palette Master Element). Thanks again.

[@ArtIsRight]

You are running the calibration post driver and color adjustment from the system, the calibration software will automatically accommodate for that.

[@gfordham8346]

Well Art, you saved me a lot of time today. Thank you. I have a couple of questions you might be able to help with. Forgive me if you’ve already answered them. If I have three calibrated profiles I switch between, is it irrelevant which icc profile is chosen in the display preferences on my Mac, as long as it’s one of the palette elements profiles? I have so far chosen the adobe RGB, native panel and 16 bit as the one I chose, then switch between that one, sRGB and rec 709 on the puck. Is this the right approach? Also, further to your comments in this video.l, for clarity, would you say stick in the largest colour space calibration wise and let the CMM do the work... or is it worth toggling the puck colour spaces and doing it that way? Many thanks, Graeme

[@ArtIsRight]

You're welcome. So about the PME generated profile, it is probably best practice to match the profile with the respective calibration slot that you choose in PME when calibrating. The reason why is that these icc contain color gamut output information and if there're mismatch this could cause color to be mapped incorrectly on the display LUT. About the calibration, you would be able to choose between Adobe RGB and Panel Native, not both. What you want to double check when calibrating in PME in the middle of the setting screen is RGB primary this is where you choose the gamut and the filename in the next page will reflect this as well, Panel Native will not have a color gamut name in the file, where as if you choose Adobe RGB it will be spelled out in the icc profile name. But because of CMM, I would just calibrate my display to Panel Native and forget about it. I personally don't toggle color space, but some find it useful :)

[@gfordham8346]

ArtIsRight many thanks for your swift reply. That answers everything. All the best, and again, thanks for your valuable content on this product.

[@ArtIsRight]

You're welcome

[@jswalk4]

Excellent. When using a hardware calibrated display as a second monitor by an iMac Pro, should you use the iMacs monitor preferences and assign the Hardware calibrated display a profile?

[@ArtIsRight]

Yes! This video will explains it kzbin.info/www/bejne/n3zJp5WYirB0bbc

[@Nigel1985]

Hi Art - thank you so much for these videos! I have a question about editing for the web (sRGB). Would you still recommend calibrating my BenQSW271 for Panel Native and export to sRGB? My concern is that the sRGB seem so dull comparatively (which I understand will happen). But, if I switch to the sRGB calibration while editing in Lightroom, I can increase the saturation/contrast so the image looks closer to the Panel Native version. This, of course, makes the Panel Native version look oversaturated. Is this best practice or should I edit so the Panel Native version looks right and just export for sRGB? Also, can you confirm that I should set my Mac OS Display Profile to the Panel Native ICC created by PME and NOT leave it with the default BenQ SW271 Display Profile? What about if I switch to the other color spaces using the puck?

[@ArtIsRight]

Hi So for more than 20 + years now, I always edit my work in the largest colors space that my display can show and then export the images out at the end to sRGB, yes there will be a difference but that different will also manifest itself on every displays that is it shown on as well. So personally I don't worry too much about what my JPEG will look like as long as it is close to my original edit. I would also edit my images so that it looks it best in LR with Panel Native not over saturated it. Again let the JPEG sRGB fall where it may. One thing that you can do is to double edit the JPEGs and put some more saturation in them after the export, but for me that is too much work. Alternatively, if you use LR, you can always do a softproof in Dev Module to preview your images in sRGB before export, this way you can tweak it before the export and there would be no guessing as to how your color would turn out. Yes you need to set your display profile to the one generated by PME and not the default one. Switching to other color mode is an approximation only and I won't worry too much about that, this video will explain it further kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6HYkplrrq2lpck but this video at 9:12 provides a good explanation of why you should just stick with Panel Native. :)

[@Nigel1985]

@@ArtIsRight Appreciate the fast and knowledgable reply! One follow up. Why would my sRGB image look dull on my BenQ in PN or sRGB but vivid on my iPhone - closer to how the RAW image looked in LR with PN?

[@ArtIsRight]

You're welcome. iPhone has a glossy screen so everything looks crisper and more saturated. The other thing too is that your iPhone color space is DCI-P3 or at least that is how it was calibrate from the factory. What could be happening is that, on your BenQ it is showing a color managed sRGB color which can looks dull but on the iPhone (depending on where you are view the image) because of it's DCI-P3 Color space it can tap into the extra color information and render it regardless of color space. To be honest I am not fully certain how ios manages colors.

[@Nigel1985]

@@ArtIsRight I'd also be interested in your thoughts on which working space to use in Photoshop. I'd assume ProPhoto RGB when editing on my BenQ in PN. But, if I were to edit off my macbook, would I still use ProPhoto in PS? Again, want echo my previous thanks. This channel and you are incredibly helpful!!

[@ArtIsRight]

ProPhoto RGB is appropriate for both even though none of this displays can show that color space. I'm working on a guide on that at the moment so I'll have a more definitive and in-depth answer soon.

[@ilanifer]

Hi Art, Thanks for the enlightening videos here in KZbin ! A question : do I have to calibrate (PME) my SW271 every time i update my NVIDIA video card ?

[@ArtIsRight]

If you notice that the color is off you should. Otherwise you should be ok. I would just resort to calibrating before you do a big edit after a video card driver update. Also just to double check you mean driver correct?

[@ilanifer]

@@ArtIsRight Yes, I was meaning driver 😊 One more thing please, do I have to change windows(11) display profile to match the hotkey puke I am selecting? Or is it done automatically in the background? Thank you 😊

[@ArtIsRight]

You have to change profile manually. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZjSY6Ntn6tmpJI

[@ZconN69]

Hey Art, thank you for making these video’s and offering many people help with calibrating their monitors. I have one question. I just bought a benq sw270c and i’ve tried calibrating it with a spyder 5 and the calibration settings that you recommended for these monitors in another video. With the lut thats being created after calibration, my screen has too much magenta in it. I can especially tell with black n white photo’s when i switch between the black n white mode of the monitor and the custom calibration. Do know what i’m doing wrong, or what i can do to solve the issue?

[@ArtIsRight]

You are doing everything correctly, it is the spyder 5 sensor that is the issue. Spyder sensors in general are never really that great to start with, and the sensor that you have is the previous generation one that is approaching 10 years old now. What is going on with that sensor is overtime is the sensitivity and bias that comes from the measurement as the instrument age. I would recommend looking at the Calibrite ColorChecker Display Pro amzn.to/3ddlOHX The sensor is much better and yes it is an investment now, and even though it cost more than the Spyder of today, the thing is that you can buy this and use it for decades without issues like the Spyder sensor. Hope this help. if you have any follow up question, please leave a new comment. I might not see a reply to this one.

[@ZconN69]

@@ArtIsRight dude, you are the best.. thank you so much…!! I was thinking it might be the age of the spyder. So glad you can confirm this and that its probably not the monitor. I will definitly invest. Thank you, Art!

[@ArtIsRight]

Let me know how it goes. And please post a new comment if you do, this way I can see it on my feed. :D

[@ZconN69]

Hello Art! Im back with an update on the calibration of my sw270c connected to my late 2012 imac. First i tried calibrating with a spyder 5 on mac Os 10.13.6. Running pallet master v1.3.15. Now i have i have switched to a calibrite colorchecker display pro as you recommend. Which palletmaster recognises as a i1 display pro. It gives me a better result, however i still notice that there is too much magenta in the screen after full calibration. (I can especially tell when switching from calibration 1 to black n white mode on the sw270c. Might you have any further thoughts on this, art? Thanks in advance!

[@ArtIsRight]

Can you please give Palette Master Element 1.3.17 a try? Also please update me via direct message to my Facebook page or instagram if possible. Or if you comment on here, as usual, please start a new thread :D

[@leonflack5673]

Art; you always make the calibration tutorials so interesting to watch, thank you for your enthusiasm. My only monitor experience is with the Datacolor Spyder 3 calibration tool, running on version 4 software. So just to recap; if I buy an SW240 monitor and connect it to my Windows 7 PC, the only calibration that I need to apply to set the monitor up correctly will be with the Palette Master Element program, and not to use the Spyder 3 tool anymore - is that correct ?

[@ArtIsRight]

You're welcome. With the SW240 yes you would use PME to calibrate the display. Spyder 3 is not compatible with PME so you need to get a new device, I recommend the i1Display Pro or Pro Plus. x-rite-photo.2rcf97.net/nYoe6 You also should check and make sure that PME is compatible with Windows 7, the longer it is from the discontinuation date, the less software will support it. But if everything is supported then you should be good.

[@leonflack5673]

@@ArtIsRight thank you Art for your very quick reply, I understand that the Spyder 3 is not compatible so at least I know that for definite now. I was hoping that PME would be enough to calibrate the monitor by itself and that I wouldn't have to do anything more. I understand from what you are saying that I still need to do a software calibration after running the PME program, so in my case, another calibration tool needs to be purchased as well - is that correct ? This is the bit that I have been getting confused about.

[@ArtIsRight]

So instead of using the calibration software that comes with the device, you would be using PME instead. And with PME you still need to use a calibration device. So you will need to get a calibration device too in addition to the display.

[@leonflack5673]

@@ArtIsRight thank you Art; I have also reviewed some of your BenQ tutorials again and it's becoming a lot clearer now. I thank you for your recommendation of the i1Display Pro; I have had a look at the link you sent me, why do you prefer this over the Datacolor SpyderX Elite ?

[@ArtIsRight]

X-Rite device are the best, full disclosure I am one of their Coloratti, which is like a brand ambassador but that is not why I choose them. Their devices measure color more accurate and consistence compared to others. If you have a Spyder already it is fine too. But another reason why I like X-Rite is because back in 2006 they took over GreTagMacbeth which is one of the best color calibration devices ever and combined GreTag IP into their products. And also they own Pantone, so you are talking about multiple color company combined into 1, that to me is a strong background and back bone.

[@baz_rayaz]

Pme is used for calibrating presets 1,2,3. Icc profiles for stock colour modes requires x i1 profiler or similar to have in operating system.

[@ArtIsRight]

I realized that, I have a video covering both. And if anyone has an SW display, they should not be concern with the stock color modes. Because you are doing a software calibration on a display that has hardware calibration capability. Preset 1, 2, and 3 are technically calibration 1, 2, and 3 and those are the hardware calibration slot. kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5m5l6qNbrF-bqc

[@kazlica]

Thanks for this video, but i stil have one unsolved problem: when watching youtube on my wide gamut monitor, colors look way oversaturated. Is there any way to fix this (pc user)

[@ArtIsRight]

what browser? You may have to disable hardware acceleration on said browser. Also Firefox is the best with color management for PC.

[@jimmyischoong]

HI Art, I have 2 questions about X-Rite i1Display Pro. Forgive me if you’ve already answered them on your earlier videos... 1. When I color grade in video post studio it's gonna be totally dark with only white backlight behind my iMac. At home my room is well lit with warm dim lights surrounding. Do I need to calibrate separately if I change my working enviorment? When calibration process should I blackout the enviorment to get precise measurements? 2. I'm using the latest iProfiler 3.3.0, On the Gamma setting: Tone Response Curve setting- there were no options to select BT1886 so I have to choose Standard (Default) and manually adjust Gamma 2.4

[@ArtIsRight]

No worries. 1. We think we do, but we should not. The display does not and should not change with the environment. We do, the way how we perceive color do, but we should not be based or better yet bound by our senses. So I would keep the calibration the same understanding that what you see is going to be close to the way how things looks regardless of where you edit at. 2.For that you need to have the i1Display Pro Plus kzbin.info/www/bejne/bmWkfJumZ5l1h7s

[@jimmyischoong]

@@ArtIsRight thank you for your reply!

[@ArtIsRight]

:)

[@Powershoot10]

Excellent video! Is there a way to know which of the benq monitors in the GW and EW line have 95+% SRGB? The Srgb details of GW, BL and EW lines aren't provided consistently.

[@ArtIsRight]

Yes I am not certain about that. I know that the EW line in one of the higher end line and should have more color that can be displayed. Usually if a display can do 90% + Display P3 then they are able to do 100% sRGB.

[@Powershoot10]

@@ArtIsRight Thank you, Art. I was considering the EW2780 and GW2780 which appear to have over 96% SRGB but no official reports. I am just getting into video editing for the web so wanted your suggestion. I might need to buy a calibration tool as well.

[@ArtIsRight]

Based on what I found online, my assumption is that both of these models use the same panel inside which is why the spec is similar. If you are looking for a good display I would consider BenQ PD line, it does cost more but it is part of the pro line up and the panel quality is much better.

[@devrajbandla.v.8371]

Hi Art,Thanks for helping me choose the SW240. 1.Can I use the i1 display studio for calibrating my monitor with PME. 2.Since I am able to connect my laptop to sw240 with hdmi only and in case validation doesn't happen can I use i1 display studio independent of the PME for calibrating my monitor? Thanks

[@ArtIsRight]

1. i1Display studio is not supported. Watch this for supported devices kzbin.info/www/bejne/h56TZqOAiJ18pZI 2. Yes you can use HDMI, I would test this out rather than not use it at all. And you side step PME, yes, but these video will explain why you should not kzbin.info/www/bejne/n3zJp5WYirB0bbc and kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5m5l6qNbrF-bqc

[@devrajbandla.v.8371]

@@ArtIsRight Thanks Art.Swift and sweet as usual.I am thinking of getting the i1 Display Pro.

[@ArtIsRight]

That is a great calibrator!

[@devrajbandla.v.8371]

@@ArtIsRight Thanks Art

[@ArtIsRight]

Absolutely

[@alexiaholanda8566]

Art, I’m having problems to match the colors I see when I edit my videos on premiere pro to the ones I see once the file is exported. I use the VLC player, and the blacks look way more dark, but when I view the same file uploaded on the google drive player the problem is gone. Also, when seeing the videos on VLC, the h264 exports seems more equivalent to the one inside premiere pro, but when I export in apple prores 422hd I get the super blacks shadows (and sometimes I have to export in prores to maintain the quality of short films and other editing jobs) My OS is windows and my monitor is an LG 32UK550. Please help, I’ve been cracking my head over this for about 3 months now 😭

[@ArtIsRight]

This could be a Windows thing, where Windows does not color manage and VLC does not do any color management and conversion either. I would recommend looking for another player that can color manage, since you are using premier, Bridge would be a good alternative. Or you can search for other programs as well that can play video back with color management. Also your LG is a wide color gamut display and windows have issues handing that. So I think that you are seeing is the result of a lack of color management.

[@dreamship563]

Hi. Great video as always. My question is: I calibrated my sw270c monitor with Pme. I edit photos in dxo photolab. When i edit, should i switch the monitor to srgb if i want to upload to social media, or just leave on rgb all the time? Does it make a different? And if i want to edit to send to a lab to make photobook? Thx

[@ArtIsRight]

You can, the question is are you on a PC or Mac and does DXO Photo Lab color manages or not and how well does it color manage. So if the app does not color manage well then yes I would consider sRGB, this is especially true if you are on Win 10. If the program color manages well then you should be ok running the larger color space and have Color Management Module CMM do the color conversion in the background.

[@dreamship563]

I am on win 10. Can be able to use icc with dxo. Might be best to test by myself. Thx.

[@ArtIsRight]

Testing would be the way to go.

[@dreamship563]

Since PhotoLab’s internal working colour space is limited to Adobe RGB, I’d export a 16-bit Adobe RGB tiff to Color Fx, etc. This is what i saw on one of the forum. Or is it possible to edit in dxo and export with lightroom or photoshop?

[@ArtIsRight]

I don't see why not. Also 16 Bit is more for editing and not final output. Sending the file to lab in 16 bit tiff offer no inherit benefit, only large file size and compatibility issues.

[@Joebloggs4817]

Hi. I have a question I am struggling to find an answer to. I have an SW321c and I've run calibration as per your settings on another video using palette master and an xrite pro plus. And thats all run find, no problem there. But what confuses me is the brightness setting of the monitor itself using the hotkey puck. I calibrated in panel native at 120 candela and for example if I am in Adobe RGB space I have the brightness set to 60% because I simply find it too bright for my eyes, in fact I would probably want it lower. But what is the impact of setting the brightness of the monitor on calibration? Should I be calibrating at 100% brightness on the dial, and then setting the candela in calibration? This is especially important since the brightness has a major impact on how an image looks when editing. Thanks and hopefully you can share some insights. Great videos by the way.

[@ArtIsRight]

So you have to think of the calibration with PME that goes into calibration slot 1, 2 or 3 separately from the factory preset color mode on the display. Because they are separated the brightness of one mode does not effect the other. Let's start with PME calibration, you set the brightness level in PME, the program talks to the display, adjust the brightness and that is it. You can't change the brightness in Calibration 1, 2 or 3. The brightness in the other color modes are unaffected by this. For those color mode, if you want to adjust the brightness, here's a hack on how you can do it kzbin.info/www/bejne/inaYq6aohKZ7bK8 This video talk a bit more about color modes as well kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6HYkplrrq2lpck About calibration, you don't want to calibrate at 100%, what you want to do is calibrate at the brightness setting that you want to use the display at. Hope this helps. Please feel free to follow up.

[@Joebloggs4817]

@@ArtIsRight thank you Art. This was very helpful. I’ve had a bit of an “ah ha” moment! I might come back to you again though if I have a follow up. I appreciate you taking the time to reply. John.

[@ArtIsRight]

You're welcome. Anytime.

[@Joebloggs4817]

@@ArtIsRight This all made perfect sense when I sat down in front of the monitor again this morning!. Again, thanks so much.

[@ArtIsRight]

Glad to hear!

[@neo6911]

After installing the new updates. I get error on the monitor SW271. The error is "Your monitor need to be calibrated".? I use i1studio to calibrate. And still gets this message.

[@ArtIsRight]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z3SQlImdpM2Frc0

[@neo6911]

@@ArtIsRight THX

[@ArtIsRight]

:)

[@mikedeal3101]

Thanks Art! So many questions. I just upgraded Pallet Master Elements to 1.3.11. I notice now when I choose matrix mode for calibration, the matrix does not show any more like it used to. Also you mention Panel Native. Is that a color space? I use adobe RBG now. My monitor is the sw2700. PC computer with a GTX 1060 video card and Spyder X colorimeter. Thanks again Art! I've become a faithful viewer.

[@ArtIsRight]

Hi Mike, Thank you! You would choose Panel Native under RGB primary and yes it is akin to a color space, just one that is native to your specific display. What do you mean by "matrix mode for calibration, does not show up like it used to?" I am able to choose Matrix mode still under profile type. Let me know so that I can better help you.

[@mikedeal3101]

@@ArtIsRight I mean the matrix table that shows the progress of the calibration. Squares that are divided diagonally, and after they are read, they turn solid. This no longer is showing during the process. Back to Panel Native. Should I calibrate with that instead of Adobe RBG?

[@ArtIsRight]

I see, they made that change in 1.3.9 for some reasons. And if you can calibrate with Panel Native that is going to give you the best result.

[@mikedeal3101]

@@ArtIsRight Thank you so much Art. If I can an ask one more question, I calibrate at 80 CD. If I change the color space with the Hotkey Puck, it changes to 120 CD. Then I have to re-calibrate. Is there a way to use the Hotkey Puck and maintain 80 CD?

[@ArtIsRight]

If you want to jump between these 2 luminance then I would calibrate slot 1 for 80 and slot 2 for 120 and then you should switch to the corresponding profile when you switch the space as well. But you should be set. The thing is that if you back to Calibration 1 the luminance should be restored to 80.

[@KiraDenys]

I have a lg 34uc89g-b (landscape) and a Asus vg279q (portraits) both have been calibrate with a iDisplay Studio I’ve tried calibrating with the included software and the DisplayCAL program. Post calibration, the LG has Grays, that look neutral, while the Asus has grays that look yellow. Both were calibrated for 80 Cd/m with at target white point of 6500k. Is there anything that I can do to correct the yellow tint, that I’m seeing on the Asus?

[@ArtIsRight]

This could be one of those program and display depending issue. It probably has to do with the backlight more than the calibration, is this yellow showing in the whites as well as darker gray tones?

[@KiraDenys]

@@ArtIsRight Yes, The white temperature does seem a little warmer... Could it be a polarization issue? If I take a polarized filter, and hold it in front of one monitor. so that I can see the screen, then move it over to the other screen, I have to rotate it 90 degrees... I think I'll have to try calibrating it with the monitor in a landscape position, to see if that makes a difference...

[@ArtIsRight]

I don't think that it is polarization, you can try to calibrate it in landscape but I don't think that the result will change much. I think what you are seeing is 2 different displays with different panel and slightly different back light tuning.

[@KiraDenys]

@@ArtIsRight That is probably the case. The LG is a LG panel, and the Asus, is an AU Optronics panel... The differences, when looking at skin tones, are pretty stark. imgur.com/a/UJeoqRM

[@ArtIsRight]

Wow, this is why it is a good idea to get 2 identical displays when working in tandem :)

[@martabrody4980]

I have a new BenQ 270c monitor and I am unable to get the Palette Master to recognize my i1Display Pro 3. I get the red x and check sensor does not resolve the issue. I checked my MacBook Pro and my Eizo monitors and they are both able to detect the sensor. I don't know how to resolve this problem.

[@martabrody4980]

I was able to resolve the problem. I had the wrong setting for the device.

[@ArtIsRight]

Glad it worked out!

[@martabrody4980]

@@ArtIsRight Thank you for responding and for all your extremely helpful videos!

[@ArtIsRight]

sure thing

[@SachinBalan_PB]

So working color space can be ProPhoto RGB by default in Photo and conversion of Raw file can be done to ProPhoto RGB, Adobe RGB or sRGB. Right ?

[@ArtIsRight]

yes

[@SachinBalan_PB]

@@ArtIsRight Sir is there a tweak to disable or turn off BenQ purple splash screen.

[@ArtIsRight]

I don't think so, consolation is that the newer model splash screen is now black with white BenQ logo.

[@SachinBalan_PB]

@@ArtIsRight mine is purple splash screen.

[@SachinBalan_PB]

@@ArtIsRight i found a way to turn off the old BenQ purple splash screen. It works 👍 Here's the link below: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r2mZcouFj9yfnbc

[@Mariandvd2011]

Something happened! I went to Calibration 1 on the monitor and then i open Benq Pallete Master. From there i loaded a calibration icc profile rec709, gamma 2.4, 100 cd/m2 that i made yesterday. The load calibration was successfully and i notice that i am in rec 709 space now. Then i could not change any button on the monitor, even power is always on. I went and disconnected power cord and shut down the computer. After restart of pc1 and Benq monitor when i go to Calibration 1 or 2 i am in correct colorspace for me, rec709. Then i tested for quality and got delta 0.7. Now let's see how it lasts in this until the color pop back to Adobe RGB.

[@Mariandvd2011]

Update: It now has reset again after 30 min or less. The Calibration 1 is no longer valid to be used. I went from hdmi to display port to check something on another computer and then returned. The computer entered power saving, the monitor turn black and only the power led is blinking. I am now on custom 2 with a delta e of 1.3. I will be calibrating with i1 profiler and check what delta e is showing after. I guess a delta e of sub 1 is ok, ideal is under 0.5, because our eyes do not percive the diferences in colors at this point. I also have and Eizo (hardware calibration) display connected to the same pc 1 or pc 2 and the calibration stays no matter what i do. In fact is calibrated on one pc with Color Navigator, connected with usb cable and then i can use it on second pc without an icc profile. The colors are looking almost like the pc were i calibrated, only slight diferences in color.

[@ArtIsRight]

at this point all I can say is that I have to test this with my PV.

[@k.a.stensson]

ok.. at 11:37 you show two pictures... and you say they look different... on my screen. they look identical... ?? Is my screen setup wrong? should I go back and recalibrate? I'm not using any profile atm. But both pictures look fine to me. identical. no difference.. You keep saying you can see the difference when you turn off and on settings.. for me.. no difference.. no change.. looks the same all the time.. Is this good or bad?

[@ArtIsRight]

ok.. at 11:37 you show two pictures... and you say they look different... on my screen. they look identical... ?? - You are viewing a KZbin compressed video, and what I descried same or difference took decade of training to see the most minutia of color shift and changes. This is not a skilled that is develop in a short period of time. So many variables here. Is my screen setup wrong? should I go back and recalibrate? - No, see above, it could be the video or each individual perception, they all going to be different. I'm not using any profile atm. But both pictures look fine to me. identical. no difference.. - ok. You keep saying you can see the difference when you turn off and on settings.. for me.. no difference.. no change.. looks the same all the time.. - Color management, like photography "is the exact science of approximation (TM)" don't try to look for absolute. Your screen as much as your eyes and perception needs to be fine tuned and calibrated. One can't be discerning without the other. Is this good or bad? I won't not described it as good or bad. It is a sliding scale with no absolute. It is neither black or white or a right or wrong.

[@ArtIsRight]

As I said variation are very small and KZbin compression is taking it tow here.

[@Mariandvd2011]

Hy! I have a Benq Pv270 and i1 Display Pro. I calibrated with Pallete Master from Benq website. I calibrated to srgb and saved the results in calibration 1. For Rec 709 i calibrated and save to Calibration 2. I use the monitor with two computers. When i switch to hdmi from display port the calibration worked, all the colors are perfect. Then out of the blue the colors are reset, the image is not right and it looks completely diferent then Adobe RGB. I notice if i perform the calibration and shutdown the computer, close the monitor when i power it on, the calibration resets. Is this normal? If i go to Pallete Master i can load calibration 1 or 2 and the colors are fine. In other words the calibration does not stay on much. Thanks!

[@ArtIsRight]

I'm not sure about the PV270 but my guess would be that the calibration for this model follow the port, This means that the calibration is port specific. So if you use 2 computer the better setting would be to calibrate slot 1 with computer A and which cable you use and stick with it. Slot 2 for computer B and the other type of cable. As far as sRGB and REC 709, they cover just about the same color gamut so I won't necessary calibrate for both, I would just choose 1 or the other. This is unless you have the gamma set differently for REC 709. Also if I may ask what is the justification for using these 2 color gamut? If you edit in Davinci Resolve then yes, this make sense, if you are primary photos with some video and you don't use Resolve then I would stick with even a larger color space i.e. Adobe RGB or even Panel Native. This video will help, if you have not viewed it already. kzbin.info/www/bejne/b6erdXaZrJyWoqM

[@Mariandvd2011]

​@@ArtIsRight Thanks for your replay. Let me tell you are a great guy and your teaching is great. I try to wrote as many details for you. I thank you need to make a video for this problem. It should be easy to do this process of calibration but had no luck with hardware calibration even if i have usb cable connected to monitor. Also the calibrator sensor is connected to usb monitor ports on the left. I edit photos and videos, and i need srgb gama 2.2 and rec709 gama 2.4. I edit mostly at night time with only the monitor emiting light in the room. The monitor luminance is set at 100 cd/m2. I sent jpg to a lab for print, they are saved in srgb space. I check again and what is happening is that even if i calibrated in Srgb or Rec709 colorspace, after some time it resets to AdobeRGB colorspace. The monitor comes with presets build in. If i chose Srgb i get the colors after the first calibration that it is saved in Calibration 1 (Srgb, gamma 2.2, D65). But after shutdown or changing video sources the colors saved in Calibration 1 (Srgb) resets to AdobeRGB colorspace, it makes everything more contrasty. I tested delta e for AdobeRGB default preset in the monitor and i get 7.86. I tested delta e for Calibration 1 saved preset in the monitor and get 5.6. Obs 1: After the calibration to srgb or rec709 the colors are perfect, i get average delta 0.6 and 0.5. Then i changed from hdmi to display port and check colors. I open the same photo and it look the same. Then i stay and work on the computer with display port and went back and forth a couple of times to the one that is connected with hdmi. I then find that the colors are not displayed corectly, the image has more contrast, is saturated. After more testing i now conclude that it reverts to AdobeRGB color space. What to do next? Another calibration? If i go to Pallete Master and load Calibration 1 and then i choose the icc profile that i made and saved earlier Benq Srgb that is has Color space set to Srgb and gama set to Srgb, White point D65, 100. Obs 2: I notice the same beheviour when calibrating a 32 Benq monitor at a friend of mine. I installed Pallete Master and calibrated, then saved the calibration in preset Calibration 1 and after short time he call me to say that it has reset. I belive it has changed the color space from Srgb to AdobeRGB like mine did. To better understand what i need i put a description down below: Pc 1 - connected to Pv270 with display port Pc 2 - connected to Pv270 with hdmi set to RGB PC Range to 0-255 and Nvidia set to Full. On pc1 i edit 50% percent of the time photos. The rest of the time to 100% it stays off or a little bit of web broswing. When i finish editing i move to pc2 to continue with video editing. On pc2 i edit video 50% percent of the time because the sistem is more powerfull. The rest of the time to 100% it stays off or a little bit of web broswing. I switch from display port to hdmi more that 5-10 times a day. What is the best solution? I can think of one like this. Pc1 Intel calibrated with iProfiler not the Benq Pallete Master and then saved as a icc profile, custom 1 in the monitor. This is software calibration but it stays even when i close the computer and i get delta 0.8 or lower. The calibration is in Srgb, gamma 2.2, luminosity 120 cd/m2, D65. On Pc2 Amd i calibrate to rec709 (gamma 2.4, luminosity 100) with Pallete Master then save the calibration in the monitor Calibration 1, then the icc profile is done and set it as system level. The only problem is that after shutdown i can't use the calibration because it has reset to AdobeRGB colorspace. What seems to be the problem? If i fix this i may try to calibrate to Srgb and saved it as Calibration 2 on the same Pc2 Amd. After the calibration all the option are grey out in the menu at Calibration 1 or 2. I know this is normal and can't change brightness, color space, etc.

[@ArtIsRight]

“ I check again and what is happening is that even if i calibrated in Srgb or Rec709 colorspace, after some time it resets to AdobeRGB colorspace. The monitor comes with presets build in. If i chose Srgb i get the colors after the first calibration that it is saved in Calibration 1 (Srgb, gamma 2.2, D65). But after shutdown or changing video sources the colors saved in Calibration 1 (Srgb) resets to AdobeRGB colorspace, it makes everything more contrasty. I tested delta e for AdobeRGB default preset in the monitor and i get 7.86. I tested delta e for Calibration 1 saved preset in the monitor and get 5.6.” How are you checking this? Are you referring to the color mode on the display or the profile on your computer? Also Calibration 1 would remain in your calibration setting even if you restart the computer. What seems to be happening is that your display is not staying in calibration and changing to another color mode. Does this sound about right? If this is the case have you tried to put the display back to Calibration 1 and then revalidate it? “Obs 1: After the calibration to srgb or rec709 the colors are perfect, i get average delta 0.6 and 0.5. Then i changed from hdmi to display port and check colors. I open the same photo and it look the same. Then i stay and work on the computer with display port and went back and forth a couple of times to the one that is connected with hdmi. I then find that the colors are not displayed corectly, the image has more contrast, is saturated. After more testing i now conclude that it reverts to AdobeRGB color space. What to do next? Another calibration? If i go to Pallete Master and load Calibration 1 and then i choose the icc profile that i made and saved earlier Benq Srgb that is has Color space set to Srgb and gama set to Srgb, White point D65, 100.” Again I am not sure what premise you are referring to Adobe RGB, same as in the question above. My speculation without testing still stands and it is still the fact that these calibration could be link to a connection type, Switching it will meaning that it will only work with the one that it was calibrated with. The fundamental issue here is that i.e. Computer A say Display Port, Computer B say HDMI. When you are both using this computer in calibration slot 1, realistically only 1 computer output is calibrated to that slot. So let say you calibrated with A and then Switch to B using a different connection while still remaining in Cal 1, you can do that but the signal coming out of computer A is not the same as B, which is why you might be setting some issues here. In addition are you loading the icc or icm profile from the calibration on computer A to computer B as well? One of the misconception about hardware calibrated display is that, you can calibrate it and just use it with any computer. That is not the case, every computer, even on an identical build out put color slightly different. The other thing too is that there should always be an accompanying icc profile, yes it would seem like you don’t need one but you do. “Obs 2: I notice the same beheviour when calibrating a 32 Benq monitor at a friend of mine. I installed Pallete Master and calibrated, then saved the calibration in preset Calibration 1 and after short time he call me to say that it has reset. I belive it has changed the color space from Srgb to AdobeRGB like mine did.” Is this the PV320? And how is he using it? With multiple sources like your setup? This is the solution. For your setup, it is probably best to leave slot 1 for PC 1 and slot 2 for PC 2 and never cross connect them because of the reason that I stated above about each computer having different output. The RGB range does not matter as much as how the signal is being send out. In addition, HDMI and DP signal are totally different, so that can contribute to the issues as well. I think that your connection type mixed with the calibration slot is contributing to the issue here. Link up with me on Facebook Page or instagram to chat if you like.

[@Mariandvd2011]

@@ArtIsRight *** How are you checking this? Are you referring to the color mode on the display or the profile on your computer? Also Calibration 1 would remain in your calibration setting even if you restart the computer. What seems to be happening is that your display is not staying in calibration and changing to another color mode. Does this sound about right? If this is the case have you tried to put the display back to Calibration 1 and then revalidate it? That is what i want, for Calibration 1 or 2 to stay after restart or shutdown. First i performed a calibration with Pallete Master and save it as Calibration 1. Then i validated for quality and got delta 0.6. Then i went and change to another pc, with only the touch of the monitor, going from hdmi to display port. From there everything looks ok, the same color on both pc visualy even if on pc2 there is no icc profile in control panel, calibration. Then i went on and changed from Calibration 1 to Custom, Srgb, Rec709. Also i performed a second calibration and did the same for Calibration 2 but only to rec709, no srgb this time. Then after a short time when i was on pc1 i saw that the calibration it is no longer performing correctly. First i check visualy to see what color is displayed on the screen. Then i did a screenshot of a picture and put it into Photoshop with new file, paste. Then i changed from Calibration 1 to profile Srgb and recorder the same picture but even the one that i taken earlier look the same. So this led me to belive that when i am in preset Calibration 1 the colors that are displayed on the screen are in Adobe RGB but the video card is rendering in Srgb. Even if i perform another calibration the whole process repet it self. I do not suspect that the monitor is faulty because i have tried this on another computer with new 32 Benq display with hardware calibration. I watch your tutorials on calibration and it was easy to do straightforward. There is some sort of anomaly but can't seem to figure it out. On both pc the calibration resets, when going back and forth between pc 1 or 2 the same colors are displayed on the screen. *** Again I am not sure what premise you are referring to Adobe RGB, same as in the question above. My speculation without testing still stands and it is still the fact that these calibration could be link to a connection type, Switching it will meaning that it will only work with the one that it was calibrated with. The fundamental issue here is that i.e. Computer A say Display Port, Computer B say HDMI. When you are both using this computer in calibration slot 1, realistically only 1 computer output is calibrated to that slot. So let say you calibrated with A and then Switch to B using a different connection while still remaining in Cal 1, you can do that but the signal coming out of computer A is not the same as B, which is why you might be setting some issues here. In addition are you loading the icc or icm profile from the calibration on computer A to computer B as well? One of the misconception about hardware calibrated display is that, you can calibrate it and just use it with any computer. That is not the case, every computer, even on an identical build out put color slightly different. The other thing too is that there should always be an accompanying icc profile, yes it would seem like you don’t need one but you do. I understand perfectly what you said and how the way things are design to work. I know all of this but thanks for your support. When i calibrate on pc1 everything is ok and have icc profile in color management. It is fine even if i change to pc2 and stay in Calibration 1. On pc 2 there is no icc profile but it works. The image is the same, visualy. So calibrated in srgb and valided, got delta 0.6, color are perfect, no saturated, no overcontrast. Then when it resets even if i go to pc 1 or pc 2, the colors are saturated. I see the same color if i change from Calibration 1 to Adobe RGB (monitor default profile). Tehnicaly i should have one pc display the colors that i calibrated in Srgb colorspace. When i test for quality in Calibration 1 on pc1, where i have made the calibration, i get delta 5.6 or higher. Something is not right but do not know what it is. *** Is this the PV320? And how is he using it? With multiple sources like your setup? Yes the one but only with one pc connected with hdmi (10% chanses are the it may be display port but do not remember). I went with the hardware calibration method (Pallete Master). I should have gone with Iprofiler (software) and created an icc profile. That way the calibration was good even with restart, shutdown like on a regural monitor. Sure the hardware calibration method is better but it is not working for me. *** For your setup, it is probably best to leave slot 1 for PC 1 and slot 2 for PC 2 and never cross connect them because of the reason that I stated above about each computer having different output. The RGB range does not matter as much as how the signal is being send out. In addition, HDMI and DP signal are totally different, so that can contribute to the issues as well. I think that your connection type mixed with the calibration slot is contributing to the issue here. Good advice. Thanks. *** Link up with me on Facebook Page or instagram to chat if you like. Will do that. Thanks again.

[@Mariandvd2011]

@@ArtIsRight * How are you checking this? Are you referring to the color mode on the display or the profile on your computer? Also Calibration 1 would remain in your calibration setting even if you restart the computer. What seems to be happening is that your display is not staying in calibration and changing to another color mode. Does this sound about right? If this is the case have you tried to put the display back to Calibration 1 and then revalidate it? That is what i want, for Calibration 1 or 2 to stay after restart or shutdown. First i performed a calibration with Pallete Master and save it as Calibration 1. Then i validated for quality and got delta 0.6. Then i went and change to another pc, with only the touch of the monitor, going from hdmi to display port. From there everything looks ok, the same color on both pc visualy even if on pc2 there is no icc profile in control panel, calibration. Then i went on and changed from Calibration 1 to Custom, Srgb, Rec709. Also i performed a second calibration and did the same for Calibration 2 but only to rec709, no srgb this time. Then after a short time when i was on pc1 i saw that the calibration it is no longer performing correctly. First i check visualy to see what color is displayed on the screen. Then i did a screenshot of a picture and put it into Photoshop with new file, paste. Then i changed from Calibration 1 to profile Srgb and recorder the same picture but even the one that i taken earlier look the same. So this led me to belive that when i am in preset Calibration 1 the colors that are displayed on the screen are in Adobe RGB but the video card is rendering in Srgb. Even if i perform another calibration the whole process repet it self. I do not suspect that the monitor is faulty because i have tried this on another computer with new 32 Benq display with hardware calibration. I watch your tutorials on calibration and it was easy to do straightforward. There is some sort of anomaly but can't seem to figure it out. On both pc the calibration resets, when going back and forth between pc 1 or 2 the same colors are displayed on the screen. * Again I am not sure what premise you are referring to Adobe RGB, same as in the question above. My speculation without testing still stands and it is still the fact that these calibration could be link to a connection type, Switching it will meaning that it will only work with the one that it was calibrated with. The fundamental issue here is that i.e. Computer A say Display Port, Computer B say HDMI. When you are both using this computer in calibration slot 1, realistically only 1 computer output is calibrated to that slot. So let say you calibrated with A and then Switch to B using a different connection while still remaining in Cal 1, you can do that but the signal coming out of computer A is not the same as B, which is why you might be setting some issues here. In addition are you loading the icc or icm profile from the calibration on computer A to computer B as well? One of the misconception about hardware calibrated display is that, you can calibrate it and just use it with any computer. That is not the case, every computer, even on an identical build out put color slightly different. The other thing too is that there should always be an accompanying icc profile, yes it would seem like you don’t need one but you do. I understand perfectly what you said and how the way things are design to work. I know all of this but thanks for your support. When i calibrate on pc1 everything is ok and have icc profile in color management. It is fine even if i change to pc2 and stay in Calibration 1. On pc 2 there is no icc profile but it works. The image is the same, visualy. So calibrated in srgb and valided, got delta 0.6, color are perfect, no saturated, no overcontrast. Then when it resets even if i go to pc 1 or pc 2, the colors are saturated. I see the same color if i change from Calibration 1 to Adobe RGB (monitor default profile). Tehnicaly i should have one pc display the colors that i calibrated in Srgb colorspace. When i test for quality in Calibration 1 on pc1, where i have made the calibration, i get delta 5.6 or higher. Something is not right but do not know what it is. * Is this the PV320? And how is he using it? With multiple sources like your setup? Yes the one but only with one pc connected with hdmi (10% chanses are the it may be display port but do not remember). I went with the hardware calibration method (Pallete Master). I should have gone with Iprofiler (software) and created an icc profile. That way the calibration was good even with restart, shutdown like on a regural monitor. Sure the hardware calibration method is better but it is not working for me. * For your setup, it is probably best to leave slot 1 for PC 1 and slot 2 for PC 2 and never cross connect them because of the reason that I stated above about each computer having different output. The RGB range does not matter as much as how the signal is being send out. In addition, HDMI and DP signal are totally different, so that can contribute to the issues as well. I think that your connection type mixed with the calibration slot is contributing to the issue here. Good advice. Thanks. * Link up with me on Facebook Page or instagram to chat if you like. Will do that. Thanks again.

[@rickysargulesh1053]

In the youtube video you see no difference at the 11:50 mark unfortunately.

[@ArtIsRight]

Hence the disclaimer, in the more in depth video later on will visually show more distinction. Also when both of them are put into sRGB then there are supposed to be no differences.

[@k.a.stensson]

What about us consumers? Us that don't print anything, we just want our monitor colors to look it's best? I don't even own a printer any more. I just want colors to look right on my screen. But all guides are just for creators.. I'm just learning as I go, at default my screen looks OK. but some colors don't look right, especially scaled stuff, looks blurry. I've gotten it to look almost right now. But it's taken me weeks with a SpyderX. without it I've probably spent months trying to eye it. You guys that understand this stuff. Why not make a calibrating4dummies guide?

[@ArtIsRight]

What about us consumers? Us that don't print anything, we just want our monitor colors to look it's best? - You can use the same calibration, or if you think the screen is too dark then bump up the brightness to 160 nits or to the number that fits your needs and environment. That is the only variable that you should change for good color. I don't even own a printer any more. I just want colors to look right on my screen. But all guides are just for creators.. - If you want to check the color of the print vs screen, it is highly advised that you use creator setting. Otherwise see above and you'll be find. I'm just learning as I go, at default my screen looks OK. but some colors don't look right, especially scaled stuff, looks blurry. - you need to described this in more detail. This part "especially scaled stuff, looks blurry." is not clear at all. Be as descriptive as you can. I've gotten it to look almost right now. But it's taken me weeks with a SpyderX. without it I've probably spent months trying to eye it. You guys that understand this stuff. Why not make a calibrating4dummies guide? - I have guides but not specifically for Spyder.