Top 5 Crowd-Surfing Players in Blood Bowl - Top 5 Friday (Bonehead Podcast)

[@madso.43]

I feel like the Ulwerener are missing in the top 3 at least. Strength 4, movement 6 and no nega-trait goes a long way to consistently and safely surf, even into a supported piece. Plus, with access to general as Primary, it can quickly grab Block to do it even more safely. Having a Frenzy piece to try and surf people is fun in itself. Being Norse and having 5 of them: Pure joy. :)

[@OmegaDestroyer99]

Agreed. Way better choice than the witch elf.

[@hampuskullberg9932]

I agree as well, I would have had it at rank 1. No negatraits and str 4 beats everyone else for surfing str 3 players unassisted. I would perhaps have a bit of an argument for having Akhorn in top 2 as well because he can surf players in side cages at 2++ which also is pretty scary even tho he lacks some combat skills and str :) Edit: Vampires was also missed. Vamps hypno gaze shuts down stand firm/sidestep which makes it possible to surf in a lot of scenarios that others can't :)

[@MarketResearchReading114]

I would add to this, the Wraith, any player with built in side step is safer on the sideline. Thus drawing in people to foist off with the werewolf.

[@zoxxzy]

IMO you are underselling an important part of the surfing process, which is making sure you don't get immediately counter-surfed. With 1 skill up any of these players can be mostly or entirely protected from the countersurf (they all have S or A access to get SF or Sidestep), but it might not be the skill you want to take on them first, while the Witch Elf comes with her superior movement and Ag2+ Dodge from day 1. She can go in for a surf, and if she isn't marked at the end of it, likely has plenty of MA to scurry to safety, or if the surf leaves her marked it's super safe for her to dodge away. S5 on the big guys is nice protection, but if you leave me an S5 big guy without block or stand firm on the sidelines and nobody covering them, they're getting uphill'd into the crowd.

[@wedieheroesthevidz5595]

Agreed, I always try to ensure an extra square of MA with my slayers. I tend to surf on a blitz move allowing myself to move away from the sideline afterwards.

[@RandomPlaceHolderName]

Yep. Beastmen make better surfers than trollslayers. Better movement, better agility and horns > dauntless. All they need is Frenzy.

[@wedieheroesthevidz5595]

@@RandomPlaceHolderName They're going by the standard skills they have before skill ups so sorry, slayer wins but horns is definitely an awesome skill

[@RandomPlaceHolderName]

@@wedieheroesthevidz5595 You're deluded. 5 movement and 4+ agi is terrible for a surfer. Plus, rolling D16 for MVP means a slayer is going to take forever to get ups.

[@wedieheroesthevidz5595]

@@RandomPlaceHolderName AG is not important to surfing 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@JangboFett]

I think I would include Ulfwerener on my list. Str 4, easy access to Block, Juggernaught and stand firm. Not as fancy as witch elf or werewolf for sure, but imo very effective

[@BoneheadPodcast]

I absolutely *Love* the Ulf! Probably the best player in BB7s too! Better ST and MA than the Slayer, but less durable and doesn't have Block - it's a toughy! To be fair I think the Ulf and the rest of the list are all within micro& of each other! Turns out Frenzy is good haha

[@PrGratesnif]

Great video Ben ! Just to be sure, can you use grab to push someone in the crowd? Or has it got to be on the pitch? If you can, then I'd add black orcs to your list...

[@TStyx]

I had to check that but the rules say push a player into an unoccupied square and if there is no available square then the skill can't be used. So no, you can't grab someone off the pitch, shame.

[@MangoFandangoBB]

If all squares around the pushed player are filled, then you can grab someone off the pitch. You could also decline the Grab so you are restricted to the 3 choices and if filled then that too can cause a surf.

[@TStyx]

@@MangoFandangoBB Just checking the book again it says "If there are no unoccupied squares then this skill cannot be used". So if all the spaces are filled then you can't use Grab.

[@MangoFandangoBB]

@@TStyx Yes, I just worded it badly. If all squares are filled then you can push off the pitch, it's virtually declining the grab - you worded it much better haha! My way was ambiguous. I had to fetch the rulebook too :)

[@TStyx]

@@MangoFandangoBB Ah yes sorry I see what you mean, yes that's right you can't use Grab to do it so just do a normal push to get them off the field.

[@OmegaDestroyer99]

I think players with stand firm are a better choice than a lot of these. I don't have to worry about my flesh golem getting surfed out the next turn like I would with the slayer, werewolf, or witch elf. I also agree with the poster who mentioned the wraith. Another great choice that is arguably better than the three non-big guys on the list. Rogre pales compard to Minotaur. Rogre cannot easily surf a mino. Mino can very easily surf the rogre.

[@farlanewhitty1149]

Great stuff, glad the Rat ogre clinched it over the slayer. I think with snotlings in the Underworld to help dodge in and block up the necessary squares, this is particularly true. How about an honourable mention to the one without frenzy: the black orc blocker? One or two to get the player nicely positioned, and the last one to give them the send off...

[@Tylerjstratton]

Hey Ben, I’m really curious WHY you put the rat Ogre at the top. It’s also my favorite piece and love it but I you didn’t breakdown that player like you did the others. What makes it better then the Mino specifically?

[@BoneheadPodcast]

Morning Tyler!! Oops! You know me - I *Love* the Minotaur, but for being in a wide zone, frenzying people around - the Rogre has better movement, and can always Blitz if he's supported! Sure he's not as good at Big Guy vs Big Guy, but most of the time at ST5 he'll be able to wander into a situation and Frenzy around without rolling Go For Its or Negatraits! It's super close though - they're all such great candidates!

[@Tylerjstratton]

@@BoneheadPodcast Some players are saying the new unchanneled fury makes them worse but there's something awesome about KNOWING they can make the blitz no matter what. I'm trying to figure out my next team and "Has frenzy" or "Great if you add frenzy" is the top requirement! Haha. Love the show Ben keep it up.

[@antoniocatorce]

Question about surfing and mighty blow. If a player with both pushes someone off the pitch with a pow result, do you throw for armour and damage with the +1 because it was pow or do you just throw for damage because is crowd surf?

[@ilmarilahtinen4717]

Just the injury roll without the (+1)

[@Oluabayo]

Reading the title for a moment there I though they had added a new "Crowd Surfing" rule:) Like you get pushed into the crowd but have to roll a dice to see if you surf it and not get harmed!

[@BoneheadPodcast]

Haha, well they added Stalling as a term - so they should totally add Crowd Surfing too!

[@mikev230]

Question? With Frenzy do you have to take the push result on the first block? Example if you roll a push and a knock down can you pick the knock down or do you have to take the push so you can use your frenzy second block? Thanks everyone!

[@tykk86]

If the defender is knocked down on the first block, the blocking is over. Frenzy still forces you to follow the knocked down player. You can only use the second block if the player is pushed and is still standing. So it has to be a push, a both down treated as push because of juggernaut, or an exclamation defender down treated as a push because of dodge.

[@mikev230]

@@tykk86 Thank you for clarifying that.

[@tykk86]

@@mikev230 You're welcome, though i just realized i failed, completely, to answer the crux of your question. You can take whichever result of the dice you want. :)

[@SoulCrusherEx]

So basicly every player with frenzy

[@Invisigoth05]

What would Bloodtithe do? Bloodthirster!

[@wedieheroesthevidz5595]

I'm gonna have to disagree, the Trollslayer deserves the No.1 spot because it doesn't have a nega-trait like the rogre and don't forget the Slayer has DAUNTLESS so has the chance of a 1 die block vs anything stronger than him or 2DB with a guard friend...anyone for a crowdsurfed giant?...SLAYERRRRRRR!!!!!!!!

[@RandomPlaceHolderName]

They're just worse than a beastman given dauntless frenzy. Better movement, better agility and horns.

[@wedieheroesthevidz5595]

@@RandomPlaceHolderName Nah

[@JorisVDC]

It's a cool list but I wouldn't put the Big Guys up there. Why? Because they are unreliable. The Animal Savagery for better to be able to guarantee the blitz but you don't have the safety of a TRR when it comes to blocks themselves, which really can bite back. That's why I would replace the Big Guys with Norse Berserker and Ulfwerner. Big Guys are just more of a gamble but can deliver in a big way or not.

[@EMac06]

Mi-nah-tors* not Mine-no-tors

[@BoneheadPodcast]

Do you require medical assistance?!? 😜

[@MEchanicAL_LSTAR]

Your never gonna keep Ben down... I heard what you did there.😏