Top 5 Missing Factions - Medieval 2 Total War

[@MelkorGG]

BEFORE YOU COMMENT: Bulgaria and Serbia did not exist during the start date. Ireland was more of a collection of minor states. And at the time Burgundy and Bohemia fell under the HRE, which were in the rules that I could not cover. All did deserve honourable mentions, but not spots on the list.

[@pawezdziech7120]

How about Bulgars? Of course the map should be much more detailed (bigger) and some additional events should be added, like Iberian Wedding or possibility to annex vassals. I more thing that shuld be added to the M3TW (yes, 3) should be technological trees - stuffs like other kind of weapons, armour and so on with troops creator. You should have a possibility to adapt some techs from other nations. Isn't this a brilliant idea?

[@Lord_Imrahil]

I would have added Bohemia as an honerable mention as well. MAybe have them as a vassel to the HRE or as an ally, kind of representing that the HRE is not fully united as others are.

[@bendegau3327]

How about Savoie... This Duché was very powerfull and rich with a perfect location between the italian states France and the germans...

[@maxmagnus777]

Here is a list of Serbian rulers: sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spisak_srpskih_vladara You can see that the start date is 1166. The last independent state before than was that had died in 950. Here you can find map from 1355, during that period the state was at its peak containing .... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Du%C5%A1an#/media/File:Byzantine1355.PNG As I am unsure of the starting date of the game this may or may not make any difference.

[@markghostproductions3697]

But what it, like many of the scripted events, Serbia and Bulgaria arrive. Like how in Rome: Barbarian Invasion the Romano-British form, so do Serbia and Bulgaria, going from Dutchies to Independent Kingdoms. Imagine playing as Hungary/Mavyar and suddenly you get a message: "Hey! These guys claimed Sovereignty!" and would spawn with a full, tier 3 moral stack armies making it highly difficult to take the lost lands back.

[@blaisevillaume2225]

Agree. Especially about the Cumans and Georgians. I just wrapped up a campaign as Russia and didn't even set foot in Ryazan, Volga-Bulgar, or Sarkel until about 1300 because there just wasn't much of a point. Having some enemies and maybe a lucrative trade portal like they have in Empire and Napoleon would make that area a lot more interesting.

[@pavolp.6527]

We need an early medieval period mod. With Frankish empire, Great Moravia, Viking raiders, Kyevan Rus, Bulgarian kingdom, bigger Byzantium, Arab empire... Or is there one already?

[@cielopachirisu929]

A Dark Ages Total War would work nicer as a mod or add-on to a Rome or Attila-era game, IMO.

[@legoyoda3546]

There is TGC

[@PeruvianPotato]

Atilla

[@markhirsch6301]

@@cielopachirisu929 there's one for Atilla

[@GanjaMasterBlaster]

There is Age Of Charlemagne Which is indeed an early medieval period DLC for Attila

[@Metal.Pigeon]

The Abbasids would be a great addition, since there aren't many Muslim nations. Plus, technically, the (Seljuk) Turks and Egypt swore fealty of them, so they could've been a sort of Islamic version of the Papal States, though with less power (i.e. no inquisitors or excommunication, but you could receive missions from them and they could declare jihads). Pisa would also be neat, since they also had land in Sardinia by 1080. They could have a similar roster to Genoa, though with improved gunpowder instead of crossbowmen. I personally would've picked Sweden over Norway for historical reasons, since while they weren't a major power in 1080, they definitely became one later on. Plus, they owned some land in Finland too at some point, so medieval-era expansion wouldn't be inaccurate. Special mention to the Republic of Iceland. I guess they could just be part of Norway, but they were mostly independent until the 1300s. On another note, Hungary was a somewhat bizzare omission from the Teutonic campaign, since they were making a comeback by 1250 as the Mongols withdrew. Armenia was also sorely missing from the crusades campaign, since the Byzantines are a bit lonely being the only Orthodox faction. And of course, they were a major ally of the crusaders.

[@brydenholley1904]

This would be brilliant. The "Total Vanilla" mod by Azumi does add the Abbasids to the game, along with the Persians and various other factions. Worth a look if you haven't already played it. There are two versions, one for Steam and one for the CD version, which are slightly different. It also extends the map eastwards to include Persia and Afghanistan.

[@PeruvianPotato]

Surprised Sweden isn't in any mods I could find

[@Metal.Pigeon]

There was a small mod that added Sweden to the Teutonic campaign, though it's just a reskinned Denmark with a yellow and blue colour scheme. Eras: Total Conquest also has Sweden in a few of their campaigns, but since nearly every unit in that mod is AoR, they play out pretty similarly to the other European factions.

[@michaelrex6948]

Unless I'm mistaken, Armenia was Oriental, not Greek, Orthodox (i.e. split from Catholicism in the 4th or 5th c. and only accepts the first three Councils, whereas the Greeks accept seven), so it's a bit of a stretch to count them univocally as another "Orthodox" faction, even if the term appears in both names.

[@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014]

Good idea, so dividing Egypt and the turks in other terms, right? There could be more muslim factions (from west to east) Europe: Andalusians Africa: moors, fatimids (egyptians) ME: abbasids with great seljuk empire Anatolia: Sultanate of Rum Aegean: Emirate of Crete (Andalusians who invaded) depending on the date instead of Venice having the island In modern saudia arabia a sheriffate For Christians: Sicily: Normans Naples: Duchy of Amalfi Pamplona: Basque Kingdom or Basque Tribes watever Wallachians for modern day Romania

[@Randomstuffs261]

If this worked, the Russian campaign would be so much more fun, there's literally nothing for them to do in that corner apart from drink vodka and go bankrupt... kinda like real life...

[@sxbcdbfxs7069]

Ivan The evil yes, everyone wants the feature which allows you to create the Soviet Union in medieval 2 lol

[@MsSirAndy]

switzerland, serbia, Bulgaria, aragon and Cumans are the most missing ones

[@joshithegreat5303]

switzerland was part of the HRE

[@theonewithmanynames3174]

You dont need serbia serbia wasnt kingdom

[@jak00bspyr72]

@@theonewithmanynames3174 Technically Serbia was an empire once.

[@jak00bspyr72]

Switzerland is small. To small to be meaningful on European scale.

[@Demonex118]

@@jak00bspyr72 Uh? So is Milan. Switzerland has room for expansion.

[@herewegoagain1140]

Top 5 missing cities in Medieval 2? -Gdańsk -Orlean -Clermont -Sinope -Tyre

[@Metal.Pigeon]

Mecca too! Weird that they went for an obscure village in Jedda instead of the most important Islamic city.

[@herewegoagain1140]

@@Metal.Pigeon Good point mate 👍

[@CondemnedandEnslaved]

@@Metal.Pigeon Its possible CA was afraid of a possible controversy (you know, have the opportunity to destroy Mecca; never mind the fact that Rome and Jerusalem are in the game) or CA was simply not able to make the map bigger...? I dunno, just my guesses

[@NotFinnish]

Lyon I think could work. Angers goes all the way down there and doesn't make sense, Dijon is stupidly long and both are right next to one another, so the extra Angers bit and the end of Dijon could become Lyon

[@Randomstuffs261]

The City of Scunthorpe too

[@feazy5479]

Hmm... I wish Aragon was a faction because I could say, Aragon is Aragone when i destroy them :D

[@dickorange3404]

When I play as Aragon, Spain will be no Moore. get it XD

[@hishamseddiqee9528]

Download Stainless Steel Mod

[@ArabianZar]

dick orange not only moors lived there also Arabs and Jews

[@makky6239]

@@ArabianZar yeah but it wouldn't fit with the joke

[@ArabianZar]

perharbs yeah I know I was trying to ruined it for him

[@artolan_illusive]

Basically all of your suggestions are added in Stainless Stell 6.4 mod.

[@lamidou9998]

Adam Iluzja In the SSHIP submod (for georgia)

[@calebskinner5317]

I just started playing Stainless Steel and it's awesome!

[@Maus_Indahaus]

What does that mod add? Only factions, or more?

[@charliekassyk8357]

@@Maus_Indahaus Factions, Regions, Units, fucking everything mate

[@vikingfrog7204]

@@charliekassyk8357 I can't figure out how to get it

[@lordblenkinsopp1537]

I really like the idea of Georgia

[@tezunaga87]

Georgia, Aragon and Cumans - agree, but Croatia and Norway was not so important as Lithuania and Serbia. The bigest missing Faction is Kievan Rus!

[@Beencheeling]

How? There are more important missing factions like Wallahia and Moldova and also Bulgaria

[@selder_7]

It’s a testament to the DLC that a lot of notable factions get added in in those

[@lordhirluinthefair1307]

i think ireland could have been an honorable mention

[@PeruvianPotato]

Ireland was in the Britonnic Expansion of Medieval 2 Kingdoms

[@totalcrash5006]

@Ivan The evil britannia actually

[@artamir6605]

Good ideas...i would love to see these in medieval 3...yeah...will never stop hoping

[@miroslavantonin9354]

there is Medieval 3 .. but as a mode for the Attila . .:) :) its called 1212 A.D.

[@ennil8278]

@@miroslavantonin9354 its rome 2 with a face wash

[@barneybeartilde9601]

Miroslav Antonín but it is still attila

[@totalcrash5006]

@@ennil8278 not really, they even added new units

[@totalcrash5006]

@@barneybeartilde9601 better than nothing tho

[@Athanatoi]

Knight of Honor has more historical accuracy on how much factions existed in Medieval era than Total War games.

[@ramiromen6595]

Nice list! I would add Genoa and the Abbasids as well

[@Tyrant_8053]

Serbia definitely existed by 1080 ( the starting date of M2TW). Duklja (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duklja) is the Serbian state during 1080, which declared independence from the Byzantines in 1040. Using Serbia (Grand Principality of) will also do, even though it starts in 1091, though 11 years is really nothing and GP of Serbia is a direct evolution of the Duklja state, the Byzantines also just called Duklja Serbia anyways. In fact, i would like to see Zagreb divided into 2 provinces, Zabreg and Ras/Raska. With Croatia and Serbia right besides each other, it will serve an interestinggameplay choice, just like Venice and Milan, Spain/Portugal/Moors being side by side from the start.

[@nikolayatanasov9674]

There was a bulgarian uprising in 1072. They could have included it in a possible DLC. It covered most of Macedonia and lasted through the winter and well into 1073. The bulgarians declared a king (he changed his name to Peter III) and had an army in the 10 thousands (sources suggest between 10,000 and 30,000). Definitely adding Skopje or Ohrid as region with Bulgaria starting in it would be just fine . Also i have always felt the region where Belgrad is is kinda empty in vanilla. It would not have hurt to put it in for me at least. Cheers from a fellow history lover!

[@ivanvasilev991]

>Твърдиш,че обичаш историята. >Не правиш разлика между цар и крал И да,има разлика и то не малка.

[@GirlsUndPanzerFan98]

I would add the Toltecs to the base game and the Incas to the Americas campaign.

[@danielhess1082]

The pagan Prussians would be the target of a horde Tuetonic order.

[@Bruh___452]

Prussians? I thought the Teutonic order were the predecessors to the Prussians.

[@lordblenkinsopp1537]

This is what stainless steel 6.4 is for

[@Marcoz588]

As someone who worked on the Chivalry mod many moons ago. I would say the following. 1) Zirids (Islamic faction in central North Africa). 2 The Grand Seljuk (was in Chiv 1, splits the Turks into the Anatolian Seljuks Turks, and the eastern Turkmen) 3. Cilician Armenia (An Eastern Christian faction which would accurately represent the Armenians, and would ally with both Crusaders and the Byzantines). Then Georgia, Aragon, Cumans as mentioned in this video, whilst also adding both Raska / Serbia and Genua as well (also Bulgaria on an earlier start date too). In the event of a larger map, the Kwarazmian Persians are a no brainier as well.

[@princed8534]

Hello from Georgia! add my homeland to more total war games xD we are so underrated, and not many know about our history, it would be very cool to see georgia in medieval 2 total war. uniting west and east of Georgia retaking the capital from muslims and helping crusaders against seljuks, some one should really make a mod

[@annoyance.2583]

Meanwhile, all you get really is Empire Total war with Poland’s roster, for some reason including hussars

[@GanjaMasterBlaster]

Hello fellow Georgian! (I am half Greek half Georgian) Also i know we really are underrated XD However there is a mod for Attila Total War Known as Medieval Kingdoms 1212 A.D And it has Georgia ! :D (If you look at the map and the roster in the gallery in the page of ModDB)

[@mumlik.21]

broken crescents akvs saqartvelos samefo ;)

[@nothing00164]

Arab caliphate was there but weak itnwould be fun to recreate the abbasids instead of them being a rebel setlement

[@shanemcclean7838]

Downloaded the kingdoms in vanilla mod you were using on your stream sunday , adds so much more dynamics in my opinion to the game made it extremely enjoyable @melkor

[@NotFinnish]

Flanders was quite independent, they could be in the game. HRE and France often struggle to take the cities. Only problem is that Flanders would be more aggresive than rebels. The game is kind of good as it is, although the Cumans could be okay

[@marloyorkrodriguez9975]

the developers forgot Navarre and Aragon in the Iberian Peninsula...sad....

[@MelkorGG]

I don't think forgot is the right word. There were limited factions slots then, so if they add those 2, then then would have to cut out 2 other factions.

[@DominaRatio]

Nice, Melkor. Btw, there's a very good hungarian mod in twcenter called "Magyar Mod" that adds Lithuania, the Cumans, Kievan Russia and the Teutonic Order as an emergent faction. They revamped the vanilla map with more regions and better borders. The only downside imo is that they made it 2tpy, so the campaign feels very slow.

[@barneybeartilde9601]

Stainless steel is better

[@bolobalaman]

3:23 How do u put wooden spike out like that

[@hastalavictoriasiempre2730]

@MELKOR you missed Bulgaria and Serbia both important players on Balkan during medieval times, not to mention it will lessen pressure of Croatia in game as it really wolud be easy picking for both stronger Hungary and Venetia. Burgundy also should be included and i dont agree with Norway choice.

[@MelkorGG]

They were not present at the start date though according to 3 different maps I looked at.

[@hastalavictoriasiempre2730]

@@MelkorGG dont know which map you was looking at :p xd. In 1080 serbia was called Duklia, later Rascia and finally Serbia and was a vasal of byzantine empire ( there is vasal option in game so it was possible). Bulgaria was under byzantine empire (i somewhat doubt about bulgaria to if we are looking on historical side of things, but lets be honest here, total war never was really about pure history so i think you are wrong in this case except i miss something you say xd) up to 1185 and burgundy was also a vasal of france found in 918. Since it is more about gameplay for most players those 2 additional on balkan and 1 in france are kinda necessity as both regions become quickly boring to play because france in most cases push england out of Europe easy and on balkans as i said earlier it would add so much more flavor to campaign.

[@davitabulashvili-bucuyi]

Good idea of adding georgia I would be happy to play my country ❤❤❤

[@raghavsinha4719]

I like the vid before I watch because I know it will be good.

[@edvart00]

I sort of see why they added kingdoms later, perhaps they wanted to add more to the base game but also did not want to complicate too much with the factions.

[@atmosrex7126]

Hey I had an idea: New cultures you would want to see? Like in RTW/M2TW there is one last slot available to make a new culture, what could they be? For example, in medieval 2, I tried this but gave up due to how complex the building files are, there would be a "Mongol" Culture for the Timurids/Mongols (Could include Cumans too maybe). They are able to either be Muslim or Tengrist (Tengrism is a new religion with its own unique pip symbol, building tree based on Attila, shamans instead of priests, etc), the horde portraits from Barbarian Invasion mixed with Muslim ones, and general flavour. There could be other options too, like maybe a turkic culture?

[@dusanradulovic8937]

When you learn history through Wikipedia

[@MelkorGG]

What part exactly? Should I have chosen factions not on wikipedia - like Mordor and Atlantis to be in the game? What do you mean?

[@jakovmilanovic6815]

Serbia and Bulgaria should be on the list at least as honourable mention

[@surume709]

Grand campaign mod covers some of the kingdoms factions like welsch, norway, jerusalem, teutonic order

[@aljosarajkovic2793]

top 1 missing its serbian empire, google that my friend.

[@gudigoat2463]

great video but i do love the idea of ireland as a faction even though its not historicaly correct

[@arhexirthesnake]

You know what i would like? No faction limit and lot of new factions: Aragon, Brittany, Burgundy, Genoa, Napoli, Bohemia, Sweden, Muscovy, Desht-i-Qipchak, Georgia, Armenia.......

[@arhexirthesnake]

@Napoléon Bonaparte But lot of Armenians were in Kilikia

[@miso689]

What about Obodrite tribes? Slavic pagans waging wars with saxons, danes and other germanic tribes in high medieval period. Very often overlooked.

[@Samurai_64]

In Timbuktu and west Africa it’d be cool to see the Mali empire (as another Muslim faction) however I’d feel like they’d be similar to the Moors :/

[@hallamhal]

The Georgians would be really cool! Also would have loved the Swiss as an emerging faction

[@hedottenno]

When everyone in Europe start using guns here come the Swiss with long pointy sticks and kick your ass

[@markghostproductions3697]

Of course wr liked the idea! It's was from Melkor! Our dark lord has spoken.

[@MarcosVillahoz]

Good Video. I agree with almost all of your points except for the regions available for Aragon. Instead of Navarra which was an independent kingdom, it would be more historically accurate to give them the region of Valencia, a very important harbor. Also it would be nice for them to have a more Mediterranean focused campaign, conquering sardinia, sicily, southern Italy and regions in greece. It would offer a challenging campaing experience with an aggressive playstile. The unit roster would be similar to spain, maybe with better mid tier melee infantry, good naval power, and early skirmishers such as almugabars (historically mountain men from the pyrinees in the nothern regions of Catalonia and Aragon)

[@newname4941]

I really expected the crusader states to be #1 it would make the crusades a lot more exciting.

[@abdouoftouggourttheconquer7241]

the crusaders were in 1099 not in 1080 maybe add a new mechanism that the general who took the crusade target become independent crusader king and have alliance with original kingdom who come from (it's has been one year this comment and damn ! this is acienet comment xD!)

[@atmosrex7126]

If I were to bend the rule and just add a few settlements alongside nations, here's what I'd do: For Cities/Provinces: 1. Silves (To give Portugal another settlement) 2. Aachen (Classical HRE capital) 3. Belgrade (Later Serbian Capital) 4. Ras (Classic Serbian Capital) 5. Adrianople (Important city for Byzantine and Ottomans) 6. Nicomedia (Nicaea is the first goal for Byzantine, they were historically occupied by the Turks) 7. Bursa (Important City for Byzantine and Ottomans) 8. Benghazi (To not make Libya so big) 9. Fez (Major city for Morocco) 10. Carnfree(?) (Another settlement in Ireland would be nice) 11. Kutaisi (For Georgia) 12. Chernigov (For Russia) 13. Tarnovo 14. Vidin 15. Mystras For countries: 1. Serbia 2. Croatia 3. Aragon 4. Cumania 5. Georgia 6. Lithuania 7. Teutonic Order (Emergent Horde automatically allied to HRE and Papal States) 8. Crusader States (Emergent if a European-controlled historical crusader-stronghold rebels) 9. Ottomans (Emergent as a horde near Bursa 1299) 10. Bulgars (Emergent if Sofia, Vidin, or Tarnovo revolts)

[@francescoresente6913]

Great video, as always, but I feel the game lacks muslim factions, I would add at least one or two in the Near East or the Levant, like Syria and the Abbasids

[@kaisertog7685]

I believe you missed two important players. Bulgaria and Burgundy, I feel that Burgundy would have been a cool and very unique starting position and add a lot more politics in western Europe.

[@MelkorGG]

Bulgaria was not present at the start date though according to 3 different maps I looked at. Also, from my research Burgundy fell under the HRE at the time.

[@kaisertog7685]

@@MelkorGG yeah that's true but burgundy did play a big role in the 100 years war and at one point was more dominate than France I believe. Still good video!

[@ajaxtelamonian5134]

Yeah Burgundy would be awesome and well have a right to be a strong independent faction. Or maybe have them start as HRE protectorate? Charles the bold is one of my favourite historical characters.

[@Beencheeling]

Cumans and Georgians are all great but what about the voevodate of Moldova, or Transylvanya or Wallachia?

[@MelkorGG]

When I do a Top 5, I can sadly only pick 5, and other factions need to take a priority. Those two were chosen because that part of the map is very blank. As for the 3 you listed, Hungary and Byzantium are already there fighting for that land - so it could make that region too busy.

[@flarek9686]

If you want all of those factions in your game - Stainless Steel has got your back (Not counting the Georgia faction)

[@GloGlo315]

And Broken Crescent for Georgia

[@aleksamiljkovic3819]

What about Duklja?

[@sarmatiancougar7556]

Melkor: The scythia of Medieval 2 *Pissed Alan noise intensifies*

[@NotFinnish]

A single province minor in the middle of Europe doesn't seem right for Medieval 2, but it's can make sense due to villages in Empire for example.

[@KirkWilliams300]

Rip Ireland, hey at least you are in an expansion

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

Most were added in Stainless Steel. Such a shame the engine doesn't allow even more factions and regions which would allow adding more minor but still significant factions (Burgundy, Bulgaria, maybe splitting the HRE...)

[@Jakromha]

I thought the base game didn't reach the region limit.

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

@@Jakromha I meant Stainless Steel.

[@Jakromha]

@@Duke_of_Lorraine Ah yes

[@RocketHarry865]

Somebody should rework the engine to handle more

[@JMObyx]

So, wanna do this for Rome 2?

[@Cyraxslayer666]

Aragon exists medieval 1 total war so maybe that’s why they didn’t put it in the second one, to change it up a bit.

[@sadberserk7109]

In East Europe must be Kiev Rus (early version of Rus pleable faction in Medieval 2), and Cech Kingdom in Prag. I don't know earlier anything about Cumans in East Europe, good idea. Norway, Wales, Aragon, Georgia (I don't think about him), good idea too improve Medieval 2. I think a good moder can make mod to improve this game.

[@astilla9]

Czech kingdom - Bohemia ;)

[@Jakromha]

Problem is that there is a faction limit. You could easily remove Portugal and add Aragon, but what faction should be sacrificed to add the other factions?

[@RocketHarry865]

@@Jakromha Remove the Aztecs and the new world they are an irrelevant late game feature and the new world does not become important until after the medieval period.

[@Jari-95]

I expected Burgundy and Flanders to be on the list as well! However i agree with the list

[@argmaargreedy4083]

Missing Kingdom of Bohemia (founded 1198), in 1080 Duchy of Bohemia (was technically part of Holy Roman Empire, but quite powerfull - often fighting against HRE, very important in late era = vagon forts and Hussites, pope called crusade upon them, but it failed).

[@MelkorGG]

Even though Bohemia is not owned by the HRE, I did not want to add HRE nations into the game, such as Bohemia.

[@IvicaArmanas]

*WHAAAT??? No Bulgarian Empire, no Serbian Empire, Kiyevan Rus, Wallachia,...? Croatia, serously???*

[@MelkorGG]

Most of those did not exist as the start date. Kievan Rus was there, mentioned in the rules at the start. Croatia was there also.

[@IvicaArmanas]

@@MelkorGG *No: Only Wallachia wasn't there in 1080. - ok, Serbia was still Kingdom not Empire but WAS THERE, man. Croatia DISSAPERED for a Millenia from map 30 years after the game start date, Serbia and Bulgaria lasted-with perods of being vassal states & occupied-untill XV. Century.*

[@legoyoda3546]

@@IvicaArmanas Croatia was pretty much at its height at that time period, and is also closer to other factions and makes a challenge for both the Venetians and Hungarians. And in medieval times most often if you were a vassal you were part of the nation that vassalized you. You would be a duke, count, prince or some other title. Also, Croatia still existed, it had a king, the king of Hungary would name himself the king of Croatia as well, since the countries were in a personal union.

[@FaithfulOfBrigantia]

Very much agree with number 1. Aragon existed through the absolute entirely of Medieval 2 timeline, and it's influence spread outside of Iberia, stretching all the way to Italy and even Greece. Aragon would combine the best of Spain and Sicily into a really interesting mediteranean nation. The main downside however is that Iberia is already too crowded for 4 nations. Giving Pamplona to Aragon would greatly weaken Portugal and indirectly weaken Spain by removing their eastern expansion opportunity, this would weaken all Iberians individually and give the Moors a decisive edge. I believe to add Aragon, one would have to add a couple more provinces to Iberia. Maybe divide Portugal into two provinces (and make the southern half Islamic rebels) for more Historical accuracy and to compensate their loss of Pamplona and divide Castile into two provinces (Rebel Toledo in the South and Spanish Burgos in the North) so Spain has an easy opening conquest to secure its place as the dominant Iberian power like they historically were. With that said, i would easily put Lithuania as second place in my list. A Pagan option is a tremendously interesting addition.

[@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014]

I really expected Ireland, im happy surprised of Aragon but Ireland cannot be forget. Oh wait… is it because you are an Englishman 🤔? Ok, lets pretend you can have either only Ireland or France, who do you choose dear Melkor?

[@Bruh___452]

Ireland at the time wasn’t united at the time. I checked a map, and there were at least 4 nations (Ulster, Munster, Leinster, and Connacht).

[@hyper_5pace902]

Basically the stainless steel roster lol

[@antoniyneykov914]

Bulgaria was one of the most powerful kingdoms shortly before the game start and again a bit later. If you are looking at historical accuracy what are Portugal and Ottomans doing there than? Or how you will explain Cairo as being a crusades target? The problem is another - how provinces got managed on the Balkan peninsulae. They are not enough compared to Western and Central Europe.

[@ivanvasilev991]

Ех,не знаех,че само по време на крал Калоян сме били силна държава. Аз мислех,че Дунавска България била най-могъща по времето на цезар Симеон Велики,император на българи и ромеи или поне по времето на цезар Йоан Асен II император на българи и гърци,когато Дунавска България също била могъща. Но,щом казваш,че само по времето на Калоян сме били силни така да бъде.

[@jak00bspyr72]

In Deus lo Vult mod there is Flanders faction. I think it could be quite interesting. I would also add Ireland and Aragon. In the East I would either add Lithuania and Cumans, or divide Russia into Kievan and Novgorodian Rus. But most of all, I would like to see more provinces, the amount presented in Darthmod is quite enough.

[@erikgrospic2223]

What about Kingdom of Bohemia?

[@danielr3587]

what about burgundy?

[@massimilianogoretti1048]

Agree! I would add Flanders, Switzerland and, of course, the Republic of FLORENCE!

[@americohagim1131]

Essentially we want all the Medieval Kingdoms 1212AD factions in Medieval 2

[@RocketHarry865]

I think the cumans should have special steppe nomad traits that allow them to move faster in winter as the rivers and swamps freeze over. Only the mongols share these nomad traits

[@koolaidman2702]

Says drawbacks of the Cumans and Georgia being in game are being stuck in the mountains and having settlements far apart. 5 seconds later -Croatia literally placed in between 4 factions. This is great "right in the middle of the action" Also Serbia makes more sense since they existed for most of the era same with Bulgaria. Portugal is in the game when they werent independent for another 90 years game time.

[@uncleernie345]

Wtf #1 BULGARIA! WE WUZ TZARS! 3 SEAS!!!

[@IvicaArmanas]

Yeah, we (Serbia) too... but he chose Croatia over us-outrageous!!!

[@MelkorGG]

They were not present at the start date though according to 3 different maps I looked at.

[@kamilkasperek6402]

I will add Bohemia

[@onioncube8319]

yeah it would be great to have them in the campaing, but the problem is that this region is already crowded.

[@szabok1999]

Croatia was conquered by Hungary by the time the game starts, and only became independent after world war 1.

[@solinvictus4367]

The Abbasids would be interesting to add to the middle east

[@momakmomak3334]

I really like the idea of Croatia and ther is any mod with Croatia ?

[@shadowwarriorshockwave3281]

I would love and Ireland faction that would be fun

[@SamuelHallEngland]

Genoa would be another great addition, just to make the north of Italy even more of a clusterf**k! XD

[@emielpeper9248]

Teutonics could have been recruitable merc forces or have chapter houses like the Templars and Hospitallers got.

[@lentulis]

Hello! vote for Kingdom of Croatia........

[@TerillaArtoria]

What about the Malians?

[@1210alpha]

The Muslim side can break up as well, look at CK and there Are plenty to choose from. I hope for an HRE rework, which make it closer to the Empire in Warhammer

[@Foe-be4vg]

I would like to see some Tunisian faction because Mediterranean sea actions would be much fun

[@dominicperez3777]

This is a good list, but no Sweden? I feel like you can add Sweden in the game.

[@MelkorGG]

I could have added Sweden, but felt Norway was more interesting.

[@Kalletheswede]

Sweden beat back a 3 Times larger danish army. It also launched crusades against Finland and Estonia. It was the Only country in Europé without a feudal system and Elected its kings. Before that Swedish Vikings founded the Rus kingdoms. Plus calling a country Russia is wrong it was named Novgorod or Kievan Rus. It is as bad as Spain

[@WhiteAndProudRuss]

@@Kalletheswede lol

[@Kalletheswede]

@@MelkorGG kzbin.info/www/bejne/bGLIqZiIfN5ld8U Battle of Lena was modern-day Sweden beat a 2 times larger danish foe. Preventing it from becoming ruled by a feudal danish dynasty with unelected kings. This is from Arn the templar good book by Jan guillou

[@JirkaGasik]

Any additions in Europe would probably require a larger map with more territories, though...

[@yobitchcantfindme5288]

Im glad they actually add both Welsh and Lithuania. I think they didnt add Crusader as a horde faction is because of how there're like only 3 Muslim factions and only two get to meet both Mongol and Timurid, and imagine add Crusader as well. Its gonna be hardest game ever, Anatolia and Holy Land gonna turn into a chaotic battle field with these 3 hordes factions But as in a dlc Kingdom, lol.

[@caseyh1934]

Lol, I'm wondering of the devs of Stainless Steel had seen this

[@joshithegreat5303]

For a moment i thought aragon was not going to be in the list

[@joeclay9683]

for kingdoms Americas expansion i think the Comanche should be added to fight the Apache. and each conquistador should be a separate faction as a Spanish civil strife.

[@francescoresente6913]

Oh, and btw the game needs more settlements in Italy and Milan and Genova should be sepatated

[@damjan4435]

Aqhat's Carthage obviously....

[@stepanpytlik4021]

You should've mentioned Bohemia too :(

[@nikolabulatovic332]

Serbia was empire in late medival, Bulgaria was empire in early medival, and you miss Croatia,who were vassals of Hungarrian kingdom from 1102... You need basic history lessions my friend...

[@paolocesareamletotemistocl9050]

what about the Republic of Genova?

[@F2000-q2z]

I would add Burgundy. A major player at the time. Mali as a black African country would also be unique.

[@trickykryt9287]

what about the abbasid caliphate

[@tank9432]

This would be pretty crazy but the ultimate Med II experience for me would be a map using the kingdoms expansion scale with thousands of settlements throughout Europe and many more factions and barely any rebels...not very historically accurate but would look something like this starting around 1100. Kingdom of England Kingdom of Scotland Kingdom of Ireland Kingdom of Wales Counties of Brittany Duchy of Normandy Counties of Flanders and Friesland Kingdom of the Franks Kingdom of Norway Kingdom of Denmark Kingdom of Sweeden Principality of Novogrod Principality of Smolensk Principality of Kiev principality of Rostov Kingdom of Poland Teutonic Order Kingdom of Lithuania Duchy of Pomerelia and Pomerenia The Holy roman Empire (split into the major houses with a chance to unify?) County of Toulouse County of Provence Duchy of Aquitane Kingdom of Navarre Kingdom of Leon and Castille Kingdom of Aragon Kingdom of Portugal Counties of Barcelona, Valencia and Zaragoza. Almoravid dynasty Hammadid dynasty Zirid dynasty Republic of Genoa Republic of Venice Duchy of Apulia and Calabria County of Sicily Republic of Pisa Papal States Kingdom of Croatia Kingdom of Hungary Byzantine Empire Sultanate of Rum Cuman Khanate Seljuk Abassid Caliphate Kingdom of Georgia Fatimid Caliphate County of Tripoli County of Edessa Principality of Antioch Kingdom of Jerusalem and probs some more

[@romanbuinyi]

I would like also Sweden and some dutch trading city-state(maybe as vassal to HRE)(militia-heavy, like italian city-states in game), maybe also late-game hordes of Swiss and Hussites in suitable places since Western Europe lacks invading hordes unlike Eastern Europe.