Top 5 Mistakes DPS Make in M+ Dungeons

[@zerti86]

dps: let your tank gather and position the mobs before you start popping your cooldown. fury warriors: wait another 5 seconds.

[@Amphroxia]

@@zerti86 frost dks, wait another 20 seconds xD

[@glaukopes]

yeah, maybe this isn't an issue at the top 0.1% level where Tettles plays, but at every level from top 1.5% all the way down to heroics and normals this is the number one most obvious mistake dps makes. tank wants to gather 2-3 packs, but dps starts going hog wild as soon as the first pack is pulled. while the tank is still trying to tag the 2nd and 3rd pack the dps is ripping aggro on the first pack. it brings a tear to my eye when i watch mdi and the tank runs through tagging 10 packs and the dps don't touch a single thing until they're all grouped up

[@Mookydooky123]

@@glaukopes then the other side of it is tanks pull a pack, gather them up while we wait, sit still for 3 seconds then the minute I pop cds or put down spells like dnd or shadowcrash, they peel out to start pulling another pack and pull the mobs out of all of their dps spells. If you’re pulling multiple packs keep running so we know you’re pulling more. All in all pugging has issues all around lol

[@normannseils3936]

@@Mookydooky123I wish there was a tool where you could share routes before the key and people would know how big you are going to pull. And I wish people would actually remember what pulls you planned.

[@Beldar95]

But....Zug Zug

[@whitenun]

Best advice I ever got about CD usage is treat an entire M+ like a boss encounter so all extra damage helps kill the boss.

[@lovelywaz]

One of the most useful Addon "Extras/Plugins" for me is the one with sound packs, BigWigs have those warnings with voice alert Packs and also most of the big Weakauras have the options built-in as well. When there are a dozen different things happening on the screen, the least thing I want to worry about is stare at the boss timers or even some trash abilities. Having those voice alerts are great, you can just hit your interrupts/stops as soon as you hear them, or move to stack/soak/step out of bad step without staring at those timers.

[@unclvinny]

Hi, it’s your healer here. You think you have time to finish that cast and still get out of the frontal, but you don’t.

[@zerti86]

just heal, dude.

[@Opharg]

New people really lost out on the fires of the Void Priest to learn how to greed properly and position yourself properly so you can do so. Nothing worse than dropping Voidform halfway through and throwing your timings off for the rest of the encounter. add.: half haste out of Voidform felt worse than your damage dropping into the abyss

[@EmoDragracer]

@@zerti86alright take it easy fury warrior.

[@NotItsMeDark]

nuh uh

[@PreacherDPT]

I've literally said this hundreds of times. But it usually follows up with, "oh no, you died again!...bummer"

[@Olafr_Warrior]

One thing I do with defensives that has helped me improve my survivability has been learning how to determine what will hurt in a high key early in the season. Even if i am over geared for a key or if i am doing a weekly key, i will rarely take a hit without a defensive to make sure that i do not get sloppy. Engraining that muscle memory has led to me living i keys where other people are finding out that they do not live. Another thing that i do early on in a season is figure out interactions between my spell reflect and the dungeons. This can be done for things like ams and karma as well. Being able to prematurely negate a mechanic saves the healers mana and make the overall safety of the group higher. The downside of this is that instead of learning where i NEED defensives to live in a high key, i more often need to figure out where i can live without my defensives to maximize damage (i play warrior so defensive stance usage and saving spell reflect for damage/ tank survivability) and limit times where i wont have coverage.

[@banannasanta]

I used to do this thinking I will have the muscle memory, but I would recommend adding a weak aura to ones that will one shot you for sure. One mistake in a high key on an ability you need to defensive equals death and all it takes is getting distracted for a second to not notice whatever triggers your muscle memory (be it voice line, timing, or other things).

[@Olafr_Warrior]

@@banannasanta 100% weak auras and big wigs play a large part in this. I have audio countdowns for large moments. Especially for abilities that I taunt reflect (dragon strike and Infused strike in azure vault). A good plater profile and cds on nameplate are absolutely a necessity in these high keys. Seeing what is casting on who and having a wa for refectable casts on me has been huge. An example of this was the first pull of throne of the tides. The highest key that my key group attempted in this dungeon was a 28. And while we got crushed on the first boss, my reflect weak auras allowed me to discern when crushing depths was on me in the mass of trash mobs. I think I got 3 of those reflects in that run. And while it was tyrannical, it saved my healer from having to waste externals on me and allowed me to save my wall and potion. Not to mention the sheer amount of damaged that the reflect did, allowing the trash to die just that much quicker.

[@Mike-cb2cr]

You nailed it on top mistakes! People don't understand how big the positioning is. Pay attention to where the tank is and move accordingly

[@Clariselol]

1 not interupting on cooldown 2 not using class abilities to stun and cc mobs on cooldown. 3 bad rotation, 4 not using offensive cooldowns on trash packs 5 no weak auras, / addons to warm them of certain things 6 no patience, not letting the tank pull and messing up pulls.

[@sirpopp1280]

7. Not using def. cooldowns to make it earier for your Healer

[@Peterryom]

8: standing in shit to do dps and dying as a result, 9: being toxic

[@Clariselol]

@@Peterryom Being toxic usually only happens when someone is bad and ruins a key, wastes everyone else time.

[@Peterryom]

@@Clariselol In my experience, the toxic player is usually the bad one, who expects a carry

[@Clariselol]

@@Peterryom im in eu maybe ur not? Hardly any talking goes on ingame. ppl just expect everyone to know what to do and usually just leave after a wipe or 2.

[@RealDuckyTV]

0:38 Pre positioning 1:40 Prio Damage vs AOE 3:44 Interrupts & Utility 6:19 How to Defensive 8:30 Cooldown Usage

[@saenct]

saved me 10 mins, real chad

[@VDHmain]

Can't wait for Dorki to do a Top 50 Mistakes Tank players make!

[@Shishakind86]

1. Not adjusting the speed and size of your pulls to what your group and especially your healer and his current manabar can handle. 2. No preparation in terms of routing, mechanics and positioning (how to turn mobs/bosses because of frontals for example). 3. Not managing your damage mitigation cds effectively. 4. Not thinking that your damage also matters, so that you just focus on aggro and surviving. 5. Tunnel vision and doing only your thing without being aware of where your group members are and being able to make decisions on the spot to salvage difficult situations. Of course, you can make an even longer list but as a prot warrior main, that's what I found to be most crucial points.

[@paolochella1623]

@@Shishakind86 as a tank main, the biggest mistake I make is listening to dps players

[@lenonreveur8371]

@@Shishakind86 Oh yes, those "big pulls" that are too bigs for dps but when you look at the reason of deaths, it's because they took avoidable dmg like AOE under their feet.

[@sl3498]

i hope you can introduce some of these aspects on the podcast. we're all down to listen to a 5minute chat on a pull and how we pre positioning / defensive etc etc can help progress a pull that would otherwise cause issues.

[@xenephon7620]

Nice video. You do ZERO DPS if you are dead! So don't try and finish that cast; use your defensives; off heal yourself if your class is able and the pull is going pear shaped; etc. Basically don't just look at the DPS meter and try to top it. Back in Shadowlands (S3 I think) my regular tank asked me to turn off Details when we did M+ and just focus mechanics, and it was a very useful exercise

[@LodvarDude]

Having chat open and paying attention to it in pugs.

[@MrJeremydb91]

Tettles - we need an updated m+ tier list please!! Thanks!! 😊

[@Avaloneer1]

Last tip is really good, thanks

[@cheeseorwhatever]

for defensives in no voice pugs I've had a lot of success with having a prominent externals weakaura (wihch includes raid CDs like devo/zephyr/etc) and vocal raid assistant (which for me only reads out externals). obviously getting to the next level would be to play more with groups in voice, but without discord this is a solid setup.

[@slaintwice]

growl, professional youtubist

[@MsRagingwolf]

Using Darkness for the group to help mitigate group dmg just to watch healer and range purposely step out of it and die. Watching melee purposely getting cleaved and stepping in swirlies just to gripe at the healer and tank. People that boost characters and not read or utilize guides or tooltips of skills from Tanks, Heals, and DPS and proceed stepping into keys and do poorly w/ group utilization. Etc, etc, and etc...

[@Amphroxia]

#1 mistake people make in m+: flame someone for a small mistake and starting an argument :P everyone knows it's immidiately rip key at that point. just shut your mouth and focus on yourself and what YOU can improve.

[@Shirae]

My go-to if anything happens in a key is "Minor oopsie, we got this" We came back from 3 back to back to back wipes in Neltharus after we fucked up royally on the Chains boss and we still timed it. Positivity genuinely increases chance of timing keys.

[@LodvarDude]

I just ignore chat. Not even open.

[@Gaius_Sinstone]

Alternatively, getting defensive when someone makes you aware of a mechanic you’re consistently failing. There is zero reason to continue when you’re hard carrying someone who’s killing the key & unwilling to listen.

[@Gaius_Sinstone]

@@LodvarDude That’s super smart in a cooperative 5-man group content 🙄

[@Lyscian420]

Good tip, but honestly. I just save all my flaming for the end. “GGs, except you hunter, what are you saving your defensives for the next one?” xD

[@tanekki]

Looking at dmg meters mid pull is a big one I think Greeding casts Popping aoe CDs or really just doing aoe before mobs gather (single target is almost as good as big aoe on 3 mobs - plus you can even out hp by hitting high hp mobs etc) Stressing (you don't HAVE to line things up exactly like the ideal opener or get that extra finisher into the cd window. Take it easy and don't stand in the fire and you'll kill the thing. Most wipes come from fuckups, not lack of "sick moves")

[@lampshades5436]

Can’t stand when someone dies and they release. When we could of just rezed them and now we have to wait two minutes for you to run back to the group

[@Clariselol]

i just never release untill someone tells me

[@canwestop]

Is any of the mistakes inviting a boomkin/aug evoker?

[@Essjaybee2934]

you know who else like making mistakes while pumping the dps? my mom - muscle man, prolly always wait until the tank puts down a ground effect before sending your own ground effect or the tank will 100% move out as soon as you cast

[@JBX5677JB]

Interrupts are huge for DPS. As a prot warrior tank main >3k, I will mess around in lower keys when I am bored and it is shocking how DPS will go a whole dungeon with less than 5 kicks. Even when I play my boomkin for fun on a one minute cd, I get at least 10-12 per dungeon. No excuses for these other classes. Not only do these extra casts going off cause deaths and unnecessary healing, which slows the key down, but as a tank, I will be forced to pull smaller if I am seeing casts go off and bodies hit the ground every pull. Especially in Dragonflight, I would say your kicks are just as important as your damage. My buddy who plays Havoc is often a close third on the damage meters, but brings 30+ kicks per dungeon. I have an incredible success rate when I bring them to higher keys.

[@wazzupman245]

I somewhat disagree with Tip #1. I definitely agree that people hold their CDs too much, but depending on the CD of your ability it may be wise to save it depending on where you are. I play BM, so I pretty much send Bestial Wrath on CD, but when we were using Call of the Wild I would save it for either dangerous trash packs or bosses if I knew they were up next. If you're 1 pack away from a dangerous Tyrannical boss and you're popping your CDs on that trash pack I think that's a big mistake. Anything under 1 minute you should send on CD pretty much always, but those bigger 2 or 3 minute CDs I would potentially save if something more dangeous is coming up shortly.

[@Tettles]

I will agree that it's a bit context dependent. What I will say is that in general you're probably getting 2 uses of your cds on a boss almost regardless of when you press them. Say you press it on the trash pack right before the boss. Boss is 3m long, trash pull takes 1m, travel time 30s in between. You're still getting 2 uses regardless. That's typically the issue. A LOT of people don't press their cds enough, and while you bring up a good point I think in general starting with overuse and bringing it back a bit is better.

[@FrancisGX]

Forgot the #1 biggest mistake: dying

[@HugiLoveOcarina]

Nah thats the problem of a healer.

[@LeonAJr]

The top reason is not knowing their dps rotation! The tank shouldn’t be top dps overall… ever!

[@driiifter]

Prio damage is a big one. I don't know how many Dawns I did when it first came out where people would just let Lerai sit there and pulse AOE on the group while they attacked everything else but her or just dumped padding AOE as she is killing everything. Another one is people switching classes and then not knowing how to use their defensives. I was playing with my friend last night and he was on a class he doesn't play that much and he was at 30% hp almost the entire dungeon, I was like breh. Dmg is good but you need to live too.

[@amethonys2798]

#1 is way too context dependent and also relies heavily around your tank pulling around cooldowns (they won't). If you're only in like a 13 or whatever there is no world you should send your cooldowns on cooldown where you sync up with the Ret Paladin or whoever who thanos snaps the pack leading into going from a like 30-40 second pack into a 90 second pack because no one has anything up.

[@moonlifeSW]

Mistake #1, playing a boomkin. (Source, me, i only play a boomkin)

[@cosmicz3ro]

From oomkin to doomkin to boomkin to deadkin. Ah, how y'all have devolved. 😂

[@geek.inwonderland5990]

Thanks Boss! 😊

[@SunniestAutumn]

1. Try to out-DPS the Boomkin 2. Ask Boomkin for buffs/cr 3. Disrespect the boomkin 4. Try to roll a boomkin (when I am already a boomkin) 5. Don't let the boomkin dot everything up

[@PiliFace]

6. Thinking the boomkin can read

[@danielschultz96]

Last point should just be proper CD usage, bc the number of dps I see hit offensive CDs with trash at 20% is insane, and I’m not talking about high end keys where the trash will actually live for ~15 more seconds, I’m talking about 10s where the stuff is dead in like 4 more globals, I see this with augs and breath of ions so much and that’s even more worthless bc the dmg proc doesn’t even go off lol

[@Squagem]

Bro that cat is PTFO

[@panagiotistheodoropoulos6110]

not understanding mechanics

[@olaf5911]

No hate but i think you are missing a target group of m+ players, some mistakes/tips are very basic and more important for newer players/lowest keys and some are pretty in depth. The interrupt tracking on nameplates and min-maxing your kick is oriented towards higher end players, just like you said most players in pugs or low to mid keys hardly use their interrupts or CCs at all. On the other hand pre-movement and cooldown usage is pretty basic stuff. I‘m not saying you need a specific target group but it would help newer players to understand which mistakes they need to focus on rather than staring at weakauras on units while dying to swirlies. Anyway nice video

[@danielkarlsson397]

Actually having Details NOT showing others than yourself would improve most DPS players. ALL of them are such competetive wankaz they cant do mechanics or anything else for that matter cause they lose the dps race, wich is the only reason they do dungeons to begin with... I do 18ish keys as a Healer and people STILL cant press interrupt, CC, move when dangerous things hit them etc. Its ridiculus. People playing 18 keys with the mind of it being a +5

[@FoliumSakura]

based on the thumbnail, i bet one of the top 5 dps mistakes one can make is to play a boomie

[@Stuffito]

Biggest mistake dps make is not ever playing the tank or healer role.

[@Burstylez]

1) Not being Aug (2) Not being Fire mage (3) Not being frost mage (4) Not being arcane mage (5) Not being shadow priest

[@enrikosuave5704]

This video had entirely new information for me because I am perfect

[@middlelb21]

The number one tip is to play Mage.

[@1991solaar]

i see alot of dps players greed for that 0.1% more dps as soon as they pop their cd's and then die 2 seconds in to there offesive cd's due to greed can we plz stop this trend because rly dead dps = 0 dps

[@marsh6486]

Why did you shave 🤬🤬🤬

[@michaeld751]

The biggest mistake is being dumb.😜

[@quintit]

aloo

[@davidholm4999]

youtubeist

[@filipfenix]

making sure 11 addons are setup ... bruh what is this bottom tier game come to. Addon management. What a waste of time, no wonder literally no one new with a brain starts playing

[@SYL3NZR]

i know this might not be the most relevant: but don't invite people with almost no runs, the more runs under their belt the better

[@runejensen3321]

3rd

[@JasonJoestar]

Addons shouldn't be needed in games. So dumb.

[@immodsr9348]

It's not needed, it's not needed, it's needed. It all depends on how far you push. For reaching your max potential it is required. I agree though. A better default UI and dungeon design an no addons allowed would be ideal. Gaming skill over programming skill.

[@PiliFace]

They aren't

[@Delemaroth]

Less than 100 views, dude fell off Jk, love ya bro

[@kinglouiethe2nd]

He stopped raiding and now no one cares about his rants. :(

[@LodvarDude]

He's on the bench.

[@kinglouiethe2nd]

@@LodvarDude best comment in a long time. :)

[@thuren7245]

FRIST

[@bobbilling1075]

If you’re a warlock and you are burning rush the whole time, I’m gonna let you die until you learn your lesson. If you’re a mage and standing in melee I’m not healing you. (Idk why mages do that so much) usually you don’t get dps that do these things but it is a great way to teach them without flaming them or saying anything. They’d figure it out if they truly want to know. Argument will brick the key

[@ulrik03]

Arcane Blast, Cone of Cold, Dragons Breath. There's a reason good mages stay close

[@bobbilling1075]

@@ulrik03 those imply the damage is being mitigated so if that’s happening then yeah no issues there

[@LodvarDude]

You just gave me the absolutely BEST idea.

[@cadoriusgaming6973]

I blame Belor'relos

[@Valvad0ss]

Such a garbage take. Healers that do any of this instead of a helpful reminder are F tier. Some caster trinkets have melee range effects. Please stop doing keys if this is your take