Top 5 Problems / Downsides of the Sony A7s2 - A7sii

[@MaksimYuryev]

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[@iangrogan5261]

I don't have the a7s2 or the a7s, but if you're judging exposure off of the screen instead of some type of exposure tool, then you don't know what you're doing (especially if you're shooting a flavor of s-log). USE THAT HISTOGRAM!

[@VyasAnand]

Ian Grogan no ether always with log or shoot 70% ire skin

[@nickblyth166]

The histogram has saved my ass many times I’ve shot photos that look overexposed on the camera but are perfectly exposed on the main computer screen

[@ToastedSynapseGaming]

DOF does not get influenced by Sensor size. That is just a misconception because DOF gets influenced only by 3 things - Distance, Aperture, Focal Length. The 4th factor, Sensor, is actually a common misconception because if you think about it, having your subject in focus on a FF 25mm lens at 1 meter away is the same as using a 50mm and you would have to move 2 meters away to keep the framing OR it's the same as using that same 25mm on a 2xCrop sensor and moving 2 meters away again to keep the framing (don't think about the compression of space, we're only interested in DOF). So, in summary, It's not the Sensor size, it's the fact that a 25mm looks like a 50mm on a 2xSensor, which means that 50mm

[@VithorPrestes]

That was helpfull, thanks ^_^

[@seawildearth]

All points, at least the first three can be overcome by using the Atomos support options, Samurai HD Recorder for external 4K recording at 4:2:2 and the Power Pack for external powering. Samurai HD Recorder also has focus peaking so much easier to nail critical focus. I think the review is cool but this camera caters not just to the consumer who would probably settle for the default restrictions of the camera, and probably not reach them given their potential lack of understanding of filmmaking and their needs from the system. It is also a tool for the professional shooter who normally wouldn't expect to have an all singing, all dancing system straight out of the box. Tech doesn't work that way, it's best exploited when using third party support hardware and peripherals.

[@fiskemannen]

I don´t think you´ve done a very good job here, Max. This could have been a great opportunity to highlight issues that Sony could really pick up on for the next gen, issues that irk people who actually use these cameras. Yet it´s mostly the standard very well known issues that are getting fixed or are basically unreasonable, characteristic of people who read more spec sheets rather than actually use the cameras. Overheating- already fixed through a firmware update.. LCD Screen- If you´re using the LCD to gauge your exposure, you´re doing it wrong, seriously. It´s useful for checking composition and reading info like zebras etc. NOT as a calibrated monitor, no camera has an LCD that can be used as a calibrated monitor. There´s really no need for it to be any better, it relays info and composition perfectly well, there are other issues far more important. Compression- Is actually pretty amazing for a camera this size. Does anyone honestly expect 4:2:2 internal rec from a camera that can fit in our pocket in 2015? Lenses- They are releasing FF lenses faster than any other manufacturer. It has easily the most adaptable mount of any camera (e-mount), so you can use virtually anything, vintage, EF, Nikon, whatever.. As I see it, far more pressing issues are: The custom button choices and menus. We need more functions to be able to be mapped to the custom buttons, because the menus are a poorly designed time sink. Better menus, more custom options. No Phase detect like the A7rii. This is a horrible oversight in a camera that costs the same as the A7rii. The A7rii has WAY better AF, Eye AF, face detect etc. This is really poor from Sony, and almost means the A7rii is a better camera than the A7sii. It even affects the focus peaking, so the A7rii is just far better at nailing focus.

[@jeffhalebopp]

As far as bitrate goes, I don't think that 4k recording requires 4x the bitrate as 1080p to = the same quality. The codecs bitrate quality isn't proportional to a simple 4x equation. Also I sure wouldn't want those huge file sizes for a diminished return in quality. Hope that makes sense.

[@MaksimYuryev]

+jeffhalebopp Makes sense but why would you say if the codec is the same, but you have 4X the pixels, why you wouldn't need 4x the bit rate to have the same image quality. (legitimate question)

[@jeffhalebopp]

+Max Yuryev You would ask wouldn't you? :) Yes it is a fair question. First off I'll admit that I don't understand the math and all the complexities of the algorithms H.264 uses for efficiency. I will do some research to see if I can come up with better information over opinion :) My logic is as follows (here goes): I think that as the resolution goes up, the codec has more pixels to determine how many macroblocks are required per scene. This gives it the possibility to use larger macroblocks per picture thus using less bitrate. It does this by using motion estimation between frames. If the picture isn't moving much, this should apply even more. Since it has more picture to work with (more pixels), it has more possibilities to be more efficient thus not requiring a linear bitrate requirement (4x for 4k over HD). I think there are many other factors that determine efficiency advantages when working with more pixels. Anyway I apologize for only giving my opinion. As always thanks for the vids. I have 2 G7's on order thanks to your video about the sale.

[@MaksimYuryev]

+jeffhalebopp Thank you for the explanation and you definitely may be right! 100mb/s seems to do a good enough job for most things but I'd love the option for a higher bitrate, especially when shooting LOG. Thanks for watching my vids :) Enjoy the G7's!

[@deangrant6339]

+Max Yuryev I worked with a fellow who had a Black Magic Cinema camera and he gave me files in the 100 GB range for short scenes. Some compression is needed for us amateurs.

[@Taylorharrisonfilm]

+jeffhalebopp I believe the correct bitrate should've been 200 if they wanted true UHD, not 4x though lol

[@mainlymusicman]

do you also lose resolution when the 120 fps crop mode?

[@HalfInsaneOutdoorGuy]

still worth getting for filming youtube videos? =)

[@adriansfit]

i love to shoot vertical on my camera but the lcd screen on the a7s2 doesnt flip out , is there anything i can buy as an attachment to fix this problem

[@ericjamesphotography]

I completely agree on the LCD Rez issue. Every time I try to punch in to confirm focus it's very very difficult due to the Rez issue.

[@theAndrewkin]

Why do people dislike videos like these? This is a very honest and helpful overview of some the A7s II's weaknesses. This should be overwhelmingly liked! It's like we have to pretend that everything is perfect and that any sign of weakness is completely wrong and the worst thing ever. Thanks for the honest and helpful video Max! As a soon-to-be A7s II owner, it's good to know what problems to look out for :)

[@MaksimYuryev]

+theAndrewkin Thanks! Most people don't want to hear any negatives if they spent money on the product or are loyal to the brand. You should see the down votes on the similar video I made on the A7r2! Thanks for watching and subscribing!

[@JMadlock108]

To own an a7sii or even the first a7s is a dream come true . I'm working towards it. :D My nex 5r and a3000 will have to do for now.

[@datalaforge]

+JMadlock108 I'm really happy with my a7s. The prices are going down a lot for second hand now.

[@NelsonStJames]

+Jae Sambo I'm with you there. I was impressed with the original A7S, and I'll probably still end up with it. The only thing I'd probably miss is the slo-mo, and that's an overused gimmick anyway.

[@tahapsycho]

came across a huge criticism of a7s mark ii about its weather proofing. it malfunctions after performing in humid or slightly wet conditions, and worst the Sony customer service is very bad at handling this issue. will somebody be able to give an update on that?

[@mimounibrahim3623]

Please .. What is the problem? When using a memory card at 80 Mbps, I can not use the 120 fps video, the same problem when using a memory card at 150 Mbps

[@timlevy1857]

In regards to overheating - which card (speed) did you shoot to? If it is not fast, ie over 30MB/s, the camera needs to internally buffer before adding to card especially if shooting 4K. This can lead to overheating...

[@MaksimYuryev]

+tim levy Tim, I used the SD card that SONY sent me with my A7s2 review unit. Its UHS-3 rated and records about 65MB/s and reads about 85MB/s.

[@spiderwayne]

About the overheating issue when recording internal 4k... I have an Atomos Shogun Flame, am I correct to assume that if I record to an external source like the Shogun Flame that overheating will not be an issue? Thanks!

[@MaksimYuryev]

+SpiderWayne Yes you should be good :)

[@spiderwayne]

+Max Yuryev Thanks!

[@singhprem100]

Thank you so much Max for the video. Yesterday, I was using this camera for a documentary film. While shooting with this camera I was encountering jerks with the tripods. could you please share what is the problem I couldn't figure it out. thank you

[@bananasandbass]

Would using a speedbooster solve the 120p crop problem? Or would that not be worth it?

[@MaksimYuryev]

+Bananas and Bass It would make it better yes, but not completely, It would go form a 2.2X crop to roughly 1.6-1.7crop.

[@bananasandbass]

Oh why is that? I haven't used speed boosters before but I thought they convert a full-frame lens to project light on an APS-C size area. And if the camera records at an APS-C size crop factor, that would a 1 to 1 field of view right? I've seen in Phillip Bloom's review that he uses a speed booster to get back the full frame field of view back when using crop sensor mode. Though he wasn't testing 120p I think.

[@MaksimYuryev]

+Bananas and Bass yes that it true. it takes a 1.5 Crop and turns it into very close to full frame. The reason why it doesn't do it with 120fps because it's not a 1.5crop it's a 2.2crop.

[@bananasandbass]

Oh ok. I thought people said the APS-C was the same as the 120p crop.

[@baf2681]

My main beef is the compression as you mentioned, as well as the limited 8BIT HDMI output. However, isn't the HDMI 422 vs the 420 internal? I have also had luck transcoding footage first to prores before editing and color grading. Seems to help with the ever so prevalent color banding issue in the gradients.

[@IANNEZEK]

After all this time and the announcement of the a99 ii - would you still say that the a7s ii is still the best camera for filmmakers ? (that can shoot stills good?) ?

[@michaelchan410]

Thank you for sharing. You let buyer to reconsider the pro & cons for its price. I'm impressed with your testing on the overheat, 4K crop problem, & LCD quality problem.

[@RynaxAlien]

A7sI is better in low light?

[@wche9]

Hey Max. I'm wondering whether do you have dust on the a7SII sensor. For my a7SII, it will never fail to enter the sensor whenever i change my lens. If it's not just me who have it, this could be a huge issue if someone shoot at smaller apertures and it could render all time lapses unusable!

[@MaksimYuryev]

+William Chew Dust is definitely an issue with mirrorless if you swap lenses often and/or in a dusty environment.

[@ctphotographx]

In stills manual mode, can't adjust aperture or shutter speed after AF has locked. Must let go of shutter button then reset. I don't understand why, because video mode doesn't require that. My AMount Sony allows exposure adjustment any time. In stills manual mode (with native FE lenses, and smart adapted lenses both Sony and Canon), viewfinder flashes darker, or brighter while acquiring AF lock. It's disturbing. Doesn't happen during video. Doesn't happen with dumb adapted lenses. Doesn't happen with my Sony AMount system. Something odd about how EMount works stills mode with closed down preset aperture. In stills mode, with dual battery grip and tethering to computer... camera will not transfer power from batt 1 to batt 2. Tethering shuts down when batt 1 is at 25%, and refuses to transfer. Useless to have both batteries in camera while tethering. Frustrating with all the resets required in front of clients. With adapted lenses using Sony LAEA2, 3, and 4, none of Sony teleconverters are supported. Aperture just reads (--). No AF and no aperture control beyond shooting wide open. Can't do custom white balance while in video mode. Must go to stills mode, set, then return to video mode. Stinks. Both APS-C capture and Settings Effect ON/OFF should be available in quick menu. They're not, and require deep menu dive. Not good for togs who shoot between natural light and studio lighting. There are more issues, but these are the ones that affect my performance in front of clients.

[@ctphotographx]

Oh... and the fly-by-wire focus system is still stinky for critical manual focus and video pull focus. Very unpredictable with mandatory accelerometer. Sony should allow user adjustment for linear focus mode. Also, when in manual focus, mandatory distance scale appears on viewfinder screen. This should be an option.

[@MaksimYuryev]

+CTphotographX Clyde Thanks for sharing! I hope others will read these too to see if it will impact their shooting.

[@tobiashenriksen7068]

"In stills manual mode, can't adjust aperture or shutter speed after AF has locked. Must let go of shutter button then reset. " Just use backbutton focus? No one is forcing you to use the shutter button for AF.

[@harryalpert8002]

i'm getting horizontal rolling bars at every setting, hd and 4k, all iso settings, pal and ntsc. any ideas?

[@tonyshazam6271]

Harry Alpert check your shutter speed

[@OrbitEntertainment]

Hey max i have a question so i want a good photo and video camera brand so i can invest money into lenses i saw your video about the nx-1 and i thought i should get it and buy their lenses. but them nikon bought samsungs technology and samsung wont make anymore cameras. what should i do? should i just go with the nx-1?

[@MaksimYuryev]

+Nikolay Lubko If you can wait just a bit you may be able to get a NX1 and lenses for cheaper is Samsung announces they are pulling out of the market. Just make sure you're happy with the lenses available.

[@OrbitEntertainment]

+Max Yuryev yes i think they announced that. But thank you for the help.

[@jeffrowz]

the over heating has been fixed via firmware

[@centuian]

+Jeff Valledor is that been fixed on the sony Alpha a7R II?

[@soloartsmedia6552]

No, firmware fix is not a fix. I did the upgrade and it fails after 15 minutes as before.

[@ashishpaulgeorge1981]

No even if you have the latest firmware the problem is there. Because I experienced it last month when shooting 4k in outdoors...

[@SeqMod]

@Aerthax lol thats so cute. 50min lol.

[@derpanzerkommandant4641]

Honestly, A7SII users use this cam 95% in video mode. The Sony lens line up is so unimportant, because through Metabones, we can use all the EF-Lenses and other brands too. Don't come up with the limited AF then, because videoshooters use 99% manual AF anyway. On the other hand is the very good PZ 28-135 video lens which I own as well.

[@ignaciodespouy]

Bro i have this big question.... i know you can get a crop in 120fps, but what about 60fps?? Pls i really need to know this, it will define if i buy the camera or not thnkx!

[@MaksimYuryev]

+Ignacio Despouy 1080P 60FPS uses the full full-frame sensor (unless you want to crop) then you can. So u get both.

[@ignaciodespouy]

+Max Yuryev thankx!! 😄

[@rjhillsr33]

Regarding focusing...doesn't the A7SII have peaking for focusing? That would help you tremendously with keeping your images in focus without having to rack back and forth to find it

[@MaksimYuryev]

+Robert Hill Yes but it can be a bit deceiving. I found it to be less accurate than the GH4's focus peaking.

[@activedynamics]

Does this thing shoot auto iso on manual video mode?

[@MaksimYuryev]

Yes!

[@Lionheart2323]

How do you feel about the 12 mp resolution? I feel like that is a pro and a con as well

[@datalaforge]

+DracariaEntertainment for me, it's perfect. I don't mind 12mp at all.

[@jasonlam8588]

+T'sais 4k video is only 8 mp if you do the maths, so 12 mp is actually overkill, and the reason they didn't use like 24 mp is that they can use full sensor read out to produce the finest detail and low light performance. Cameras with higher megapixels have to use pixel bending to reduce the amount of information taken every frame. Unless you need more pixels for stills, in which case you should go for A7Rii, 12mp is perfect

[@MaksimYuryev]

+Jason Lam Keep in mind these sensors are 12MP when reading the full sensor, which is 3:2 format. When you're in video mode you shoot 16x9 format so that cuts off a bit of the top and bottom of the sensor so you're recording a 16x9 UHD 4K image which is perfectly 4K. So if you have a 3:2 sensor you need to to be 12MP to be able to record 4K. Micro 4/3rds sensors at 4:3 format which is more square. Its a 16MP sensor but in 3:2 its only 14MP. In 16x9 its something like 10MP so it has to crop slightly to achieve a 1:1 pixel readout for 4K.

[@sundayizu6985]

Hi Max thanks for the videos you put on utube

[@filipcharvey]

On the 2.2x crop in HFR I use the Speedbooster Ultra and you have 1.65 APSC crop factor with a Full Frame Lens and a better shallow of depth.

[@MaksimYuryev]

+Philippe Claes Very nice! Good way to get around this!

[@charlesdale2600]

Does the a7s2 have 12 mp or 24.2 mp?

[@spo5egy]

There is so many good point to why I would love this camera but feel as soon as I buy a new model will come out so got my mind set for the time being on an a6500

[@oasean]

Thank you. This video saved me a lot of trouble.

[@StreetsOfVancouverChannel]

Could not disagree with you any more on the display screen... if you can't verify focus with the screen then something is wrong with your eyes. In regards to lens selection: you can literally mount any lens made since 1940 on this camera via an adapter. I'm not aware of many pro video people who need AF for pro video. I do agree that 10-bit 422 is critically important moving forward. Thanks for posting your video.

[@MaksimYuryev]

+Bruce Bachand Maybe there is :) I've spokane to other video shooters that own the A7r2 and S2 and they agree that the screen is soft, as well as the punch in to focus. If you compare them side by side with a Canon DSLR or the GH4/NX1 they all have sharper screens. Your right about not needing AF for pro video, but at times it can be useful. Check out Tom Antos review on the A7s2.

[@NothingButtTroll]

+Max Yuryev The problem is not the screen... But they crop (fit) the full 1080p or 4k image on the screen which compresses / renders the image really blurry... This is an issue on every a7 camera. It's a firmware / software issue. I'am personally really annoyed with this too. The a6000 doesnt seem to have this since my friend has one. and his screen is more wider I think a real 16:9 screen aspect.

[@MaksimYuryev]

+NothingButtTroll That makes sense, the NX1's screen in video mode look similar to the A7s2's until you go into video/pre rec mode and then it gets much much sharper. Similar thing when you go into photo view mode for previous shots. The processing of the image changes and its so clear that you don't need focus peeking or punch in to focus.

[@JMadlock108]

+Bruce Bachand Auto focus comes in handy when using a flycam.

[@koban4max]

Didn't they fix the overheating with the latest update?

[@MaksimYuryev]

+koban4max Basically yes, I have a video on it. They raised the temp limit.

[@wellheytherehihowyadoin]

I am debating purchasing an external recorder. I've read a lot about the difference between 4:2:0 and 4:2:2 compression. While it's still 8-bit, do you think it would help with some of the compression issues like banding when shooting in s-log3? Also, can you do a video on the various picture profiles? It seems there are up and downsides to using slog2, slog3, gamma4, etc... It would be very helpful if someone could describe the differences in one video. Thanks!

[@MaksimYuryev]

+Michael Garske Hi Michael, unfortunately it won't be a big difference, but you may see some improvement. Personally I shoot in Cine 2/4/6 profiles. 4 is best for Lowlight. The cine profiles are in-between regular and Log profile. Better dynamic range than standard but much easier to edit than Slog and no banding issues. Thanks for watching and subscribing!

[@examples6712]

what lav mic do you use?

[@bonusmentor]

how to fix shuttar record problems sir

[@NoRegrets187]

I don't know squat about cameras, but you sound like a damn rocket surgeon of photography. Nice details and explanations. 👍🏻 subbed

[@Jonbhamm]

Thank you for this. I just purchased one and am trying to figure it out now. I have only the money to buy one lens, so which one would you recommend? (I have a metabones adapter if that helps.) Thanks so much!

[@MaksimYuryev]

OH man that's so hard, there are so many variables. Without any more info from you, If I could only buy one single lens, it would probably be this one: amzn.to/1tyW1hr Its really sharp and has a great range from wide angle to telephoto. The aperture isn't crazy but you can still get decent shallow DOF with it. I'd supplement it with a $100-125 50mm 1.8 for those times when you need really shallow DOF. amzn.to/1XYA2NE

[@Jonbhamm]

Thank you so much!!! Do you get vignettes from this lens?

[@MaksimYuryev]

I don't own one currently, (as I have a bunch of lenses for different purposes) but If I could only have 1 all around lens on a full frame that would be it. You shouldn't get any vingetting, or very little (just like with other lenses)

[@Jonbhamm]

Thank you so much!!!

[@007bennett]

Sigma 24-35 art with canon metabones adapter.

[@victorsukaindonesia]

For overheating there is an update that solves this issue. But the biggest downside of sony A7S, A7SII is the rolling shutter. That's a really no go for me, as I work a lot with handcamera. The GH4 has also rolling shutter but in moste cases it's usable. But shooting with A7S, A7 SII and also NX1 is mainly limited by rolling shutter.

[@ashishpaulgeorge1981]

You didn't mention the monitor output problem when shooting in 4k...

[@KALESHATTINGAL]

hi bro, when the gh5 come....?

[@zapolavik1]

Hey Max, I agree with you about the LCD screen and wondered if you think it's possible to replace it with a higher resolution, non-Sony screen, such as the Samsung Super AMOLED screen off an NX1 (or other brand of camera). I realize there would be slight differences in physical dimensions and it wouldn't be usable as a touchscreen, but do you think it would actually function? Just curious.

[@kiddonline504]

I have to disagree with over heating on the A7s II. I just received mine and I let it record for a hour straight in 4K to see if it would over heat and it did not over heat. I've just joined Sony coming from Canon 5d III and it is a huge upgrade as far as video goes.. Low light, zoom Focusing is faster and keeping things in focus is superior as to the problems I encountered on the 5d's, internal stabilization is a plus and it has a built in leveler bubble I have NOTHING at all bad to say about this camera except it's not 10bit but other than that it's awesome I love mines. A friend of mines purchased the URSA Mini and he's about to re sale it after using my A7s II

[@MaksimYuryev]

+kiddonline504 I'm not sure how you can disagree, its not an opinion. The camera does overheat, like I showed in my overheating test video where I tested 2 cameras side by side. (unless your using the latest firmware which is supposed to make it better. I showed proof of it as well as temp tests. The camera is great if you don't need long recording times.

[@FrenchClap]

hi, i'm french ; ) please excuse my english ; ) I would like to know if you advise me the sony A7S ? not the mark 2 just A7S Actually i'm working with the canon 70D, but the investment is therefore so I would not be wrong. It's appropriate to make a clip and films ? what can i choose for optical ? Thank for aswer ; )

[@MaksimYuryev]

+French Clap - Audiovisuel Look into the a6300. $1000 brand new, and you can use a commlite adapter to use your canon lenses.

[@FrenchClap]

+Max Yuryev yeah i see that. but i would like a Full Frame, and the sensitive from sony is amazing so not need light ; ) the price......wow sony are crazy it's so much expensive. However, I know that the camera is not everything , but now I really need a fullframe for my short film. ; ) Thank you for answer I appreciate.

[@BoyXx76]

+French Clap - Audiovisuel your 70d is perfectly fine for a short film...if you want to get the most out of it you should check out vision color picture profiles...they'll get the most out of the sensor. you should also check out davinci resolve for color grading...there are plenty of tutorials out there

[@FrenchClap]

+Jannik Aßfalg Okay I understand , the problem is that I have great difficulty working with , I find it incomplete , and it is impossible to use a ATOMOS monitor because of the compressed output HDMI . If yes with very good lens it provides superb picture sure. And then the rolling shutter !!! oh my god, blackmagic now tempts me too. So thank you for answer.

[@BoyXx76]

the sony a7s' rolling shutter isn't really better than the one on the 70d

[@konosalex9783]

What about the rolling shutter??

[@MaksimYuryev]

+Konstandinos Alexandris Average.

[@nagual2335]

Great Stuff as always Max. Every time I get notified of a new upload of yours I get excited. quick question: have you used ND filter in the video above?

[@MaksimYuryev]

Thanks man! no ND filter standard A7s2 (picture profile off)

[@nagual2335]

+Max Yuryev thanks max looks more professional this time, definitely improved video look. BTW I used few of your affiliate links I hope you'll get a reward

[@MaksimYuryev]

+Nagual Pro Thanks! Thats the only way I can justify putting off paying jobs to make these videos. I think the lighting adds to the look :)

[@RusstafaB]

Max a thoughtful review thank you. Not sure about the prosumer market here you are talking about. For Broadcast Sony rule the roost along with Arri, Red etc. We deal with quite a lot of content from Sony F5 and F55's. B shot footage often comes in from the a7Rii's and now the a7Sii's. GoPro footage comes in and just seen some Osmo footage. Never seen any GH4 footage come in that I know about. I have a7Rii and a7Sii and of course my GH4 which gathers dust. One vocal supporter of the a7 range has been Philip Bloom who has now been using his a7Sii for B footage for his latest documentary series. Philip is shooting this for one of the big American broadcasters. I believe he really liked his GH4 but like me, it is now not being used much. I still use mine for the Slomo which I do think is rather nice. I believe contextually you are correct in terms of prosumer and stuff like Wedding videography. For Broadcast this is not the case. Sony supply sensors to most other camera manufacturers and they will only go from strength to strength in this mirrorless market. So we in the Broadcast sector wait in huge anticipation as to the next technological marvel Sony will introduce in to the market place Thanks for your reviews please keep up the good work and efforts you put in to them. #sony #Sonybroadcast

[@MaksimYuryev]

+Russtafa B Thank you! My full review of this camera should be out soon. I agree Sony is doing an amazing job pushing the boundaries of camera tech.

[@SheepInACart]

Why separate these pros\cons videos? I think that ~10min is probably acceptable in terms of video length, and not only does combining the video help avoid misrepresentation, it also will reduce redundant content such as the intro\outro and repeating of the "check out the other video".. these features together probably accounting for at least a couple of minutes, or an incredible 1/6th of your time wasted.

[@MaksimYuryev]

You may be right, but lots of viewers fall off after 5min so a 10min video may do ok but it's too long for many people. It's also harder to do a title for it :)

[@mistergettingitdone7748]

+Max Yuryev Pros And Cons Of The Sony A7S II

[@MaksimYuryev]

+Mister Getting It Done Thanks :)

[@onenarrowdoor]

+Hamish McGregor I prefer them to be separated - the comments section can get cluttered with flame wars, otherwise. Also, you don't get lost in that swinging between yes or no as you watch. It is much easier to go back to the Pros video to remind you why you were interested in the first place or to go from there to the Cons video to temper the possibility of impulse buying. All written reviews on buying sites employ this method as well (apart from dedicated Sony, Panasonic, Canon etc sites, which won't have a bad word spoken about any of their products).

[@JakeBlakeProductions]

Are you from Spokane?

[@PhilippeOrlando]

I had no idea, thanks for telling us that. I still believe that the GH4 or the NX1 are better

[@martinreisner3806]

+Philippe Orlando no. definitly not! I am using the as7II - it is a new dimension

[@Jj-vd6es]

The screen can't be flawed open to do selfies or for vlogging

[@BarbellMonkey]

Your content is awesome Max! What camera would you suggest under $1000 new or used for someone who really wants to make quality 4k videos but also takes a lot of photos? :)

[@MaksimYuryev]

This is perfect! amzn.to/2k5e3qn

[@BarbellMonkey]

Max Yuryev thanks for the quick reply Max! I've been looking at the 6300.. so I'm glad to hear your opinion 👍 your review of the nx500 sold it too me when I was only looking to shoot video but without a evf I find stills a bit slow and awkward. cheers

[@HussainAllaithy]

Rolling Shutter????????????????????????????????

[@gsherlock]

I would like to use an external recorder for best results in video, 8 bit HDMI output is a deal breaker. Until Sony offer this I won't be buying, A7SII is supposed to be a video camera right?

[@StArFoX888DraGoN]

All of these are pretty small issue that you make it sound like they are camera breaking. Looking at spec sheets all day is fun, but what matters is how the camera performs, and I love my a7s.

[@MaksimYuryev]

+Toey To many they don't matter very much so this is a perfect camera for them! To some these may be a important.

[@PascoChazz]

Hello Max. I really enjoyed this video, thank you. Sorry, a bit off subject, but I was wondering if you have done any videos about the best micro 4/3 lenses for video? There are so many lenses available now, I think over 50 from all the manufacturers combined, and new ones coming out all the time, and trying to decide which ones are good value for money for using with a G7 or GH4 are difficult. Of course things like sharpness, weight, size, practicality of focal length for video, and cost are all important considerations. Some of the inexpensive pancake lenses seem like the best choice in terms of size, cost and weight, but not sure how they stack up in terms of image quality (colors, contrast, and sharpness) and if they have a full range of pancake lenses available to cover all the most useful video focal lengths? Anyway, keep up the great videos. Thanks.

[@MaksimYuryev]

+0007 1419 Thanks! Most of the mid to higher priced M43 lenses are good. I'd avoid anything with a F3.5 and higher aperture unless your shooting in good daylight because low lenses paired with small sensor give a bad image in low light. 20mm F1.7, 25mm 1.7, and 42.5mm F1.7 are all awesome lenses for the money. If you want a great wide angle lens thats low prices then go for the Rokinon 12mm F2 lens. Its manual but its easy to manual focus with wide lenses. If you need a zoom lens then the 12-35mm F2.8 is your first choice. Really sharp, small/light, and much more affordable now then when it came out.

[@gegevlog]

Awesome! Thanks Max!

[@grandlife2023]

How much?

[@LittleJur]

If you are looking for zoom lenses the choice is limited indeed. But you shouldn't you should use prime as Sony has some of the best to offer because of Zeiss

[@jason.h.zager88]

one of the worst problem with this camera is the Rolling shutter

[@TygerByte]

I agree on the low quality LCD screen. For the price it's a crappy screen compared to a DSLR LCD.

[@Stefan1968ful]

I never had an issue with overheating. But I am not that much into videography. What sucks most from my perspective are: 1. When you change your lens you have to be super-careful of not letting dust or water drops getting on the sensor. That's really a threat as the sensor is not protected by a mirror any longer. 2. Thermal noise. I had really issues with thermal noise while doing astrophotography. Never had such issues with my Nikon D810. 3. Battery lifetime sucks. Plugging a battery grip on the camera is basically neutralizing the advantage of mirrorless what's dimension and size. 4. Lens availability. Granted, situation is getting better. But look at these HUGE GM lenses, terrible, the 85mm is even bigger than any of my DSLR 85mm. Still a great camera but it las its limitations people often forget.

[@onenarrowdoor]

BIGGEST downside for me was switching it on for the first time half an hour ago - completely dead. Tried charged batteries and no go - completely dead. Gutted isn't the word, as I will now have to return it and pay packaging as well as restocking charge because I could not get it out of the box without tearing it slightly (returned boxes have to be in pristine condition). Put me right off getting another one and have seen online that numerous people received dead a7s cameras first time around. Unbelievable. Haven't read anybody having a dead a7s2 anywhere on the net - just the first incarnation.

[@Cocotahal]

+onenarrowdoor Name of page where you have been buying this camera?

[@onenarrowdoor]

+Cockotahal Problem solved - the batteries were NOT charged even 1%. That goes for the batteries that came with the camera and the spares that were advertised as coming fully charged and ready to go. Turned out that all five batteries were at 0%. EVERY unboxing video I have seen of the a7sii and EVERY unboxing of the batteries I bought announced that the batteries came with some sort of charge - in every case, enough to custom set the camera and take some initial shots. I got the camera from Wex Photographic UK and the batteries off the same company. Thing is, I didn't get to use it for a day because I made sure that each individual battery was charged to 100% in case returns got stroppy with me - after the initial shock and tantrum, of course. Didn't sleep a wink that night :) When I saw the menu flash up the following day, all was forgiven. So a warning to folk buying this camera - don't assume that there is any charge in any brand new battery, even those that come boxed with the camera!

[@Cocotahal]

Oh

[@Cocotahal]

onenarrowdoor Thanks

[@IslandFilmMaker]

I'm going to wait! For the next generation Panasonic GH5. It will be here soon as we're almost to 2016. I believe it's not only going to blow Sony's ass off in most respects, Panasonic will make sure it a dependable workhorse such as the GH3 and GH4. PANASONIC will price the GH5 accordingly I'm sure. I'm not going to waist my money on Sony's $3,500.00 price tag on any of the A7 cameras. The price tag Sony's put on theses cameras have been unrealistic for an unreliable 4k mirrorless camera body. I'm a professional, and I believe other professionals would agree... first and foremost, I need a camera I can depend on all day long, not 30 minutes if it doesn't overheat first. Cheers

[@MaksimYuryev]

+Richard James Milne I'm excited to see what the GH5 brings. REALLY hoping for IBIS as its really useful at times.

[@IslandFilmMaker]

Yes, IBIS needs to be incorporated in the body with much improved (useable) AF and possibily new light power zoom Cine lenses would put the icing on the cake and eat it too :)

[@cws_dp]

+Richard James Milne There's nothing 'unreliable' about this camera. In what situations do you plan on rolling non-stop for 45 minutes? I think the cameras are geared toward filmmakers, not toward people covering public speakers at conferences. If that's the kind of work you are recording, 4K and an SLR body are probably already ill informed choices. We're not talking about micro 4/3 sensors here in these Sony cameras... the A7 cameras have Full 35mm sensors, the same as 35mm film. Micro 4/3 is consumer grade and nothing more.

[@DeejaySlamBB]

I'm actually realizing that there are at least 2 very different categories of video shooters. Those who cover weddings, conferences, events, who need to record long videos and don't care about bokeh and dynamic range...and those who shoot music videos, short films who don't care about being able to shoot 30 min, or AF, or flip screen or battery life. The second category understands the first, but not the opposite. The first category think that 3500$ is way to expensive for a camera that cannot shoot over 30minutes without overheating. The second category thinks that 3500$ is actually cheap for a full frame camera with the dynamic range of a 50.000$ camera, and those low light capabilities. Obviously a 3500$ camera with the DR of a 50000$ one, has downsides !

[@MaksimYuryev]

+Bruno Slam Mostly agree. I do both actually and for my wedding "Films" thats are shot and editing in cinematic style, I do want dynamic range, shallow DOF, ect. And definitely don't think that $3500 is too much but would like it not to overheat :) My next cameras maybe in the $5-7K range.

[@vis4912]

Hi Max! Thanks for your videos. I have a doubt about your commentaries on LCD screen. It seems to me theres no that problem with this on my camera. I don´t know others guys here can be say the same. Best! ;)

[@tylermcghee4376]

WHAT DESK DOES HE HAVE!?

[@Nivek83A]

I have been through 2 a7s II models and have been having an issue with some horizontal like noise in the image when using Slog3 that is only between ISO 1600 to 10000. It's not super noticeable in well lit images, but more in deep shadows, and hard to see until iso 6400. I'm trying to determine if it's just in the bodies I've tested, or in all a7sII's. Do you think you could try and repeat the problem on yours and let me know what results you get? See my link to the video I made here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l3OaiJqJfL5jj7c or download the original file here (that's easier to see without the youtube compression: www.dropbox.com/s/vsij4c1dvhvkoq6/A7sII_NoiseTest2.MP4?dl=0

[@MaksimYuryev]

+Kevin Hughes Wow! I'll check it out tomorrow when I get to my office.

[@bluefilmsltd]

To be fair to Max he did make a top 5 best things he likes about Sony A7S, so he's not always rubbishing them.

[@Reelvlogs]

Hey that's in Spokane!! I live there haha awesome video!!

[@MaximumDiver]

Lens Lineup will be fixed on January 5th. Rumors start appearing about a reviewer who shot pics with a new FE lens on Instagram saying this lens will be announced on Jan. 5 at CES 2016 ;)

[@MaksimYuryev]

+MaximumDiver Excited to see whats coming out!

[@lucasfowlerdp]

great camera if you know how to professionally grade footage, because holy fuck sony sucks with colors and skin tones

[@liamyoo2]

As I said before, I love your informative video content. Thank you. Lenses line-up is the worst in my opinion.

[@lanesplitcali]

Hey, Russian Rider. What happened to your motovlogs? Are you quitting motovlogging?

[@IslandFilmMaker]

Hey did you here the rumour that Nikon has acquired Samsung Digital Division? Samsung has/had some great ideas and kickass technologies. This could see some big changes with Nikon in the next year!

[@MaksimYuryev]

+Richard James Milne Yes I have. I guess we'll see soon at CES.

[@jagatic]

Also noticed videos with people talking that it seems like they are out of sync slightly. Your Video Maybe a only one frame but have seen worse.

[@ColGadarby]

I would say the top problem is the AF when shooting video

[@alexanderorlins641]

Two keyboards?

[@hussam68145]

you forget 12.2 mega you well los detel wen you crop photo

[@WilliamDeanPlumbing]

I bet eventually Sony might introduce the screen technology from their 4k phone screen to the DSLR rear screens.

[@gcprost]

I would think that battery life is also one of the downsides to this camera. I couldn't use it in my work without a better battery solution. The overheating makes me nervous, even if it doesn't shut down, you have to think that the performance of the sensor and the life of the camera must be compromised. Gerry in Calgary.

[@MaksimYuryev]

That is true, I'm getting between 1 hour to 1 hour and 15min per battery with IBIS on shooting 4K. Atomos has a nice solution for the A7s2 that should be coming in the mail soon.

[@MaksimYuryev]

if your able to use a USB battery while shooting ($20 on Amazon) then it extends the battery to 3 hours. (doesn't completely run the camera)

[@cws_dp]

4k is not 4x the resolution of 1080p. It's 2x as 1920x1080 is nearly 2k. Also, APS-C Crop mode does not give you increased depth of field - the size of the sensor is not changing, you have merely cropped in on it. This is the same as if you had loaded a photo into Photoshop and cropped in. Your depth of field will not change.

[@AlimHaque]

1080p = 1920*1080 4K = 3840 * 2160 Do the maths, 4K = 4 * 1080p

[@cws_dp]

+Alim Haque Wrong. You cannot just choose which numbers to multiply. 1920*2=3840 and 1080*2=2160. 3840x2160 is 4K UHD which has TWICE the resolution of HD. Nice talking to you.

[@AlimHaque]

Cody Smith can't tell if you're a troll or just arrogant but resolution is the number of pixels in a grid. It has twice as many pixels horizontally and twice as many vertically therefore it has four times as many pixels in total. Make a 1080p box in photoshop and a 4k box and you'll see you can fit the 1080p box into the 4k box four times.

[@cws_dp]

+Alim Haque Here you go, sweetie. www.redsharknews.com/technology/item/1650-is-4k-twice-or-four-times-as-good-as-hd You can thank me later for the lesson in resolution vs number of pixels. And next time you can check your own arrogance at the door when questioning a professional.

[@AlimHaque]

+Cody Smith In that case there's a discrepancy and having researched it further I would say you are strictly correct, but that is not to say the video is not also correct. Imagine there's a 200 x 100 screen and a 100 x 100 screen with the same physical size, most of us here would say the 200 x 100 had the higher resolution, you'd say it's only higher in the single dimension. It's sums vs products. TV manufacturers say ultra HD is 4 times the resolution of full HD and they're not incorrect. At my computer science course at college it was taught by the area but now I do understand your point. Is this one of those things that people get worked up about that don't matter at all? I wonder which way others watching this video would argue?

[@paulcapuyanballola]

Why does nobody ever mention about the ugly blue highlight clipping on these camera's??

[@beautybydamaris1]

Excellent video! subscribed to your Channel . New Subbie

[@Gordoniumkam]

Card Speed. (only 35mb/s write) That probably limits the bit rate as well.

[@beardman5422]

one critical error you have made, 4k is only twice the resolution of 1080 so the scaling of the bitrate actually makes sense

[@hennessylieu]

I don't think Sony will make a Zoomable f2.4 lens for E mount yet, they want people to bough A mount adapter & buy A mount 24 - 70mm F2.8, which I did with my A7II.

[@Taylorharrisonfilm]

The biggest issues are no 4:2:2 out through hdmi. 30 min recording limit (cause of taxation) And 4k is not using 200mbsp for true UHD Overheats while dual recording Umm also I'm pretty sure you can increase the brightness of the LCD Max

[@Taylorharrisonfilm]

+T'sais Assuming you mean fullframe, not sure. This is my first personal full frame. I've used m43, apsc, for awhile and wanted a personal fullframe camera with some variation of log and I was not going to buy a black magic camera pocket, or cinema cam. I like this a lot because of its small footprint, I can set it up very quick and get my shots. I can expose for a lot of situations. I think you can do some decent work photography wise, but the high iso performance does not yield great pictures. The problem is I am having a hard time finding something in this price range that can do better. The Gh4 is amazing for its price, and then you could pick up a G7 panasonic for cheap and use that as your B cam. I like what I've been seeing from the Black Magic URSA but its kind of going the RED route where the base camera is a lower price point, but in reality you need another 3 thousand dollars to properly kit it out. But I am finding that the A7S2 is very similar, Sony charges for apps where many of those software functionalities would be standard functions are say Nikon or Canon cameras. Sony's lenses fall in to two camps, either they are affordable and yield mediocre results, or are stupid expensive and yield acceptable to excellent results. If I only had 3000$ I'd kit out a Gh4 and deal with the m43 sensor. If I had 6grand I would kit out a sony a7s2 or a7r2. If I had 10000$ I'd think about an fs7 or black magic ursa.

[@guangzeng8965]

+T'sais ikk loo

[@randallpaul6559]

6 no stabilizer set pin to prevent swivel when mounted on a rig with follow focus. Dumb in my opinion

[@ArinGokdemir]

Really wish I would have watched this before ordering this camera🤦🏻‍♂️

[@Lacocacolaman]

I wonder if others didn't like this video for the same reasons I did not like it. I have to watch different videos to get more info you could have easily supplied here. Instead of explaining in detail to watch the overheating video you could have still given us information here and then referred us to the next one.

[@MaksimYuryev]

+Lacocacolaman I used to make much longer video but based off on analytics most people prefer shorter vides that are more on topic. The overheating vid was just as long as this whole on and much more detailed. Sorry you didn't like it.

[@Lacocacolaman]

+Max Yuryev would it have it much longer just to say. it over heats after blank minutes of use on an 80 degree day? just say it then refer people to the detailed video. For future reference. I understand you want to make it short but it's a simple 1 line to drop

[@wannaplay27]

thx

[@pckuching3374]

No. 1 overheating, my guess right, my sony s3+ dual latest firmware release, Close 4 core out of 8 code but still overheat, normal video recording 2 minute shut down. i purchase a cheap phone xiaomi redmi note 2 to replace this expensive sony juk [i got note 4 with me which is a great phone].

[@nickm977]

BIG problem with Sony A7r/s 2 is color tonality of image. Too magenta in image.

[@bigbrobropro2152]

+nicu marinoiu like ALL other sony cameras

[@derpanzerkommandant4641]

No overheating problems here.