Top Five Most Awkward Save Systems in Video Games - rabbidluigi

[@kimzee59]

If I remember right, the Japanese version of Majora's mask didn't have quick saving at owl statues. The only way to save was to go back to dawn of the first day.

[@TerminaSavior]

And the NA quicksave system is largely the reason why those copies only had two save files instead of the traditional three.

[@jonahj9519]

It was a technical limitation. Due to many NPC’s having complicated schedules and movement patterns, saving all that would be a nightmare, so instead, they made it so you could only save at the start of a 3 day cycle. That way all they had to save was your inventory. The US release lost the third save file to allow for the owl quick saves. I imagine the reason they get deleted after you load them and force you to quit after you make them may have been because there was too much to save and run the game at the same time. That’s just a theory, though.

[@cartooncritic7045]

@@jonahj9519 That explains why the original game needed the N64 Expansion Pack to function.

[@kimzee59]

@@jonahj9519 that does make sense. I know Majora's mask was a bit of a rush to make as they had under 2 years to make it, otherwise they were going to make Ura Zelda instead (the Expansion to Ocarina of time) so having that system in place would just help to make the development easier on them.

[@RonnieBarzel]

@@jonahj9519 Huh, I never knew that. Thanks!

[@greenoftreeblackofblue6625]

"It's an online game mom! I can't save!"

[@vyor8837]

@Emma Newgate I think that's just abusive parenting...

[@Xetelian]

"Honey I'm playing League, its a half hour match, if I leave now, I'll get banned from the game for leaving" Actual conversation I had with my wife when I thought there was at least an hour longer for dinner to be ready.

[@Xetelian]

@Emma Newgate Emma, gawddamn your dad has issues. !. Your dad must be rich if he is treating hardware like that 2. Your dad must have anger issues if that is his go to when he wants you to stop playing. 3. I feel really sorry for you.

[@aurancrash4654]

@@Xetelian Making judgements without even knowing her father. Nice.

[@original_shmirko_account]

I understand that it sucks when parents do that, but you also need to know that it is hard for them to understand. I just hope that there are enough saves in bloodstained: rotn

[@Growlzagra]

I always have one save quote that I'll never forget. It comes from Nightmare Before Christmas Oogie's Revenge. "Save it now. Or risk doing it again."

[@justindenney-hall5875]

I didn't know they made a video game of that movie.

[@abysswalker2115]

justin denney-hall imagine ddr meets dmc

[@justindenney-hall5875]

@@abysswalker2115 Whats dmc ?

[@frostyblade8842]

@@justindenney-hall5875 devil may cry

[@justindenney-hall5875]

@@frostyblade8842 Thank you.

[@greenhowie]

I pretty much treated Tomb Raider 3's save crystals like Megalixers in any Final Fantasy. You could build a house with them by the end.

[@Larry]

Steel Battalion had just one save slot, and if you died or ran out of money in the game, it would delete all your progress, no matter how far you had come. Then again, it was made by the same team that made Dark Souls...

[@xtiandg0914]

I'm early here so here's a suggestion. Top Five Worse JRPGs, since whenever somebody talks about bad games, nobody ever seem to bring up JRPGs which is strange since for a genre with an easy formula, there are plenty of games that still screw them up. The very worse I can think of is Lunar Dragon Song, aka Tedium the Game! Here's the best way to show how bad this game... You can only choice item or exp, not both!

[@Linebeckable]

Oh god, I remember this... I was so frekkin confused and bothered by this as a kid. It was also the first game I playewd that had a final boss that I wasnt that happy with.

[@LordofSadFac]

That reminds me to the loot system in FF12, you get exp and some times loot from enemies, but money. The only way of getting money was in small ammounts from jars scattered around, doing guild missions or selling loot, and all of them are quite annoying

[@aaronr.265]

The worst JRPG is Hoshi Wo Miro Hito for the Famicom.

[@xtiandg0914]

Another bad one Ar Tonelico Qoga. Just look at gameplay to see how bad it is, and from a fan of Ar Tonelico this is so painful.

[@Silentgrace11]

Can we also throw Tales of Legendia under a bus here? I love all the Tales games, but this one had some gameplay mechanics that actually hurt to play through, and it suddenly didn’t surprise me that I found a game from that franchise for under $3.

[@slashingkatie7872]

This video is dedicated to the memory of Mr. Resetti who will not appear in the new Animal Crossing

[@gamemasteranthony2756]

Good riddance. That mole needs to remain buried.

[@BroadwayBrittany]

Actually, he will be in the game, he’s just going to have a different job!

[@gamemasteranthony2756]

@@BroadwayBrittany Gaia, dangit! (hick voice) MA! Get the shotgun! We got critters to off!

[@happycamperds9917]

Now he’s a Take A Break NPC who jump scares you when you play for an hour.

[@Metroid4ever]

Auto-saving has been nice, but I still make sure to physically save when I go to end a session, or if I'm aware of entering a risky area and save beforehand.

[@N12015]

I honestly don't prefer autosave but rather a conscient one. You know, maybe you screw up with a decition who will carry you for the entire game (like using a weird consumible for an object who is not good, or get trapped in an event you don't wanna get involved yet).

[@PhoebeTheFairy56]

Autosaves are a double-edged sword when they overwrite your manual save, since sometimes they save at a bad time. But they can be really useful when they're an additional save, since there can be things you didn't expect to need to save for or realize you want to return to after manually saving

[@killdozer7792]

Top Five Worst Ways to Get a Game's Ending. For example, Shadow the Hedgehog, where you need to beat the game and unlock all ten endings in order to unlock the final level and get the true ending.

[@ThundagaT2]

That one isnt actually that bad, apart from having to replay Westopolis 10 times, because you can choose different pathways towards each ending to make the journey different. Now Sonic Heroes on the other hand, you have to go through the exact same 14 stages 4 different times with very slightly changed enemy/hazard layouts, so there is almost no difference between playthroughs at all aside from the characters.

[@killdozer7792]

@@ThundagaT2 But it's still simple to GET the ending in Sonic Heroes, whereas you have to jump through so many hoops to get to the ending of Shadow the Hedgehog, which is what I'm proposing here.

[@popplio7891]

Bravely Default anyone?

[@megagustman]

I would add either Mega Man X5 or 9 Hours, 9 Persons, 9 Doors (DS version only) to this list. - Mega Man X5: You need to defeat each Maverick to get the pieces for both the cannon and the shuttle, but even then them working is left to RNG, so if you have rotten luck then you may end with the worst ending even when you got everything. - 999: To get the True Ending you first need to get the Safe Ending. It sound not so bad until you remember that in the DS version you have to play the game since the very beginning once you get an ending, so to get the True Ending you need to complete the entire game twice! Puzzles included! and some of them are lengthy. At least this was changed in both the sequels and the ports, where you have a timeline you can use to skip to the decision you want to change.

[@BetterThanYou2468]

Asura's Wrath. Buying the dlc to get the real ending

[@riemaennchen]

The first Diablo on the first PlayStation. There wasn't necessarily anything wrong with the saving itself but the game needed the ENTIRE memory card.

[@MosoKaiser]

No wonder. 1 megabit (128 kB) wasn't much space even back in the day, and with Diablo there's more to save than just character stats and carried items; I'd suspect the map data to take quite a bit of space (well, at least in terms of those tiny memory card sizes). Requiring the whole memory card for a save could have also been done to be 100% sure that there was enough space to save the whole map of a single game, since it's randomly generated but of a certain total size every time you play.

[@MysteriousJojo]

Omikron should be on this list. Imagine having to save using limited items. Now imagine that instead of being a linear action or horror game, it was an open world game with major puzzle and combat elements. Now imagine both of those elements were awfully designed. Now imagine that in some of the shooting sections, dying uses up one of your saves. Now imagine that only one of those points is the final boss. Now blow the back of your skull open.

[@hoodedman6579]

I looked it up, and discovered a few interesting things. First, it's the first Quantic Dream game, and seemingly the one with the most actual gameplay. Second, it's available on Steam right now for ten bucks; the top review I saw was "It's aged like Mayonnaise."

[@Alias_Anybody]

I'm currently working on a horror game which draws 50ml blood from the player everytime it saves.

[@greenhowie]

Let me guess... if you die it replaces it with 50ml of Sriracha sauce?

[@Alias_Anybody]

No, it donates 200 bucks directly from your bank account.

[@greenhowie]

@@Alias_Anybody I've backed worse kickstarters.

[@ramsey276]

If this is not a joke, I'm interested. If it was, well done!

[@62049]

TBH that actually sounds like a good idea

[@sthenelos1]

I swear to god the sudden subscription button gets me every time

[@michaelnelson1127]

What the heck is a KZbin?! This is 1996!

[@banessuperbrutalmetalfunti2561]

I'm gonna start saying that with no context.

[@Einhander09]

Maximo’ Save system really took the piss when you realize one of the Boss rewards is a freaking Save option - otherwise its 100 coins per save.

[@grfrjiglstan]

Fun fact: Saving is even worse in the Japanese version of Majora's mask. In that version, there was absolutely no saving at the owl statues, so you could only save by resetting time. In order to implement the owl quicksave system, they had to remove one of the three save files you get, since there was that little memory left in the cartridge.

[@Pickle_Candy]

And that’s on top of requiring the memory expansion pack, kinda crazy when you think about it.

[@MrOmegatronic]

To be fair, @@Pickle_Candy, the expansion pak was RAM, and couldn't actually retain data without power.

[@Pickle_Candy]

MrOmega oh, okay fair enough, that makes a lot of sense, the thought just never occurred to me.

[@MrOmegatronic]

That's understandable, @@Pickle_Candy, I don't know if they ever flat out said it, and at least one game ( _Donkey Kong 64_ ) uses it as a magic bullet to hide a game-breaking bug enough for them to claim they "fixed" it. xD (I think it was a memory leak they couldn't track down, or something similar.)

[@Pickle_Candy]

MrOmega I mean, aren’t DK 64 and Majora’s Mask the only games to out right require the expansion pack to play? I’m like 98% sure that’s the case.

[@titansparrow64]

At least you can save for free in Pokemon Coliseum. In Maximo: Ghosts to Glory, you have to pay 100 coins to save your game (and they're not as common as Mario's coins). You CAN grab a save by beating world bosses, but the game isn't exactly what you call easy.

[@StrangeMetaphorEnthusiast]

How about Top 5 worst first impressions in great video games.

[@iSkully99]

wind waker stealth mission

[@Thesaurus_Rex]

Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate. Good heavens, the hours of slog before even your first Great Jaggi are awful if it's your first experience with Monster Hunter.

[@thenextnx1765]

Twilight Princess/Skyward Sword

[@FixTheWi-Fi]

Sonic Unleashed: Werehog introduction. Pokémon (Take your pick which gen): First few "tutorial" towns, especially the catching tutorial. Animal Crossing: Paying off your first home loan, after that you're free to do basically anything. Mario & Sonic Olympics: Just the concept itself. (Okay maybe not a great game but overall decent) Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle: see above.

[@horricule451]

Pokemon sun and moon. Pokemon games tend to be pretty bad with tutorials, but sun and moon was something else.

[@SpanishDuo248]

Comment section is mostly suggestions, I just wanna say great vid once again and keep up the good work, we truly enjoy your videos

[@Francesco-wi1ut]

Top ten photo modes Top ten modern 3D platformers Top ten more great games that no one bought

[@thenextnx1765]

*Photo Mode* Super Mario Odyssey Super Smash Bros. Ultimate God of War Kingdom Hearts 3 The Wind Waker *Modern 3D Platformers* Yooka-Laylee Super Lucky's Tale Sonic Generations (or Sonic Colors) Super Mario Odyssey Tearaway *More great games no one bought* Wonderful 101...? (idk)

[@Francesco-wi1ut]

TheNextNX you haven’t played Tearaway or Tearaway Unfolded and it shows

[@thenextnx1765]

@@Francesco-wi1ut Thanks for reminding me of that game! :)

[@Francesco-wi1ut]

TheNextNX you’re welcome

[@FixTheWi-Fi]

- Super Mario Odyssey, Super Smash Bros Ultimate, 3DS AR -... Already mentioned I guess. - [Insert Wii U Game Or Portable Sonic Game Here]

[@mr.mystere4999]

FINAL FANTASY III (DS) version! Need I say more? This game has NO save points ANYWHERE and can ONLY be saved on the world map. Couple that with the fact that bosses get to attack twice (or three times) each turn, and hit like a truck,. On top of that, the dungeons that they're found in are really long, and some have more than one boss inside. And it gets worse. If you die, you go back to your last save file. All that progress... Poof! Gone! And it still gets worse. The final dungeon of the game has two parts. You can teleport out to save during the first part, but once you beat Xande and start the second part, you cannot leave until you defeat the Cloud of Darkness, and watch the credits. And it still gets even worse. Most of the enemies in the random encounters in the final dungeon are copies of previously fought bosses. And they also get to attack multiple times and hit hard. Did I mention that you can only save outside on the world map?

[@MrOmegatronic]

It's actually an extremely good save system... for the NES original version, which it was directly taken from. ;3

[@jruler93]

To make the original Crash Bandicoot's saving issue even worse; saving after getting a gem only saves which gems you have, saving after getting a key only saves which keys you have, and saving after exiting a bonus area only saves the levels you've beaten, none of these things will save the progress you've made on the other things. So, if you cleared a bunch of levels, got a gem in one, saved after getting the gem, but didn't do a bonus area before turning the game off, you keep the gem you got, but you go all the way back to N Sanity Beach.

[@PSXDRIVERPLAYERBSTH]

Congratulations, finally someone who got the saving right in that game. Though it's also said in the (American) manual of the game that it works like that. But did you know that only gems and keys are mandatory for 100%? One doesn't have to do a single bonus round that gives the player a save point.

[@jruler93]

True, but if you never save with a bonus area, you're still going to have to go all the way back to N Sanity Beach when loading that save, so there's really no point in not saving with a bonus area.

[@PSXDRIVERPLAYERBSTH]

That's a point that's taken. The way the game handles saving is an odd one, once you reach a point, you can decline saving altogether either by seeing the password or with a case of both keys, by jumping to the void (Japanese version has a true way to decline as it doesn't do passwords, but everything applies otherwise). At the next save opportunity of any type, the save will be put up to date. The game remembers everything until one quits to main menu or turns off the console, there's the opportunity to save that to a Memory Card or not. Though I don't get why wouldn't you if you have one. But man, 3 ways to save and each saves something different. I get annoyed every time someone says "get a gem to save" or something like that.

[@jruler93]

You can also not save at Tawna's bonuses by jumping into the void. I usually do that (except at The Lab) to use them to give me extra fruit and lives.

[@PSXDRIVERPLAYERBSTH]

Yes, but not after you trigger the SAVE POINT (or I don't know something here) which updates the level you begin in case of loading the game or a game over (this is how I figured out the levels where the E3 Prototype "saves").

[@giakommo-o4993]

Top 5 game series that need to be revived (e.g. F Zero, banjo kazooie, mother, etc.)

[@gracefulrage3022]

I don't care if it's only been 4 years since the last game but... FOSSIL FIGHTERS! (Should I even count Frontier as a Fossil Fighters game? In that case it's been about 9 years since the last installment. Yikes!)

[@thenextnx1765]

I agree with F-Zero and Banjo-Kazooie, but doesn't think Mother needs a new game. That series is done. But Mother 3 needs to be localized.

[@w_alderson21]

With Banjo getting into Smash Ultimate now, I'll be very surprised if there isn't another Banjo game in the works

[@GODOFAWSOMENESS1]

SlashFan18 yeah I wish they made a third game. Too bad there are only two games.

[@lowpointfair4653]

Rayman 4😥

[@ci7210]

I played Crash 2 and 3 first as a kid so after getting Crash 1 from my cousins as a teenager damn... That save system made me quit the game midway and haven't touch it since. Even in the N Sane trilogy I didn't want to try to finish Crash 1

[@thelinktothepastof7986]

I appreciate that when talking about Reshef of Destruction you showed that fateful mindboggling screen that makes you want to punch whomever made it. Your Life Points have been restored.

[@marhawkman303]

Ah, yes, You could in theory gimmick that to have more than the default LP, but a deck with that much healing is hard to win with. It might explain why a lot of the AIs have random healing cards though. It's a really weird mechanic since you can ignore it. Also you kinda WANT to save all the time. Limited save locations actually do have a purpose though. It means they don't have to figure out how to actually save your location. In RoD you could only save in one spot so loading a save meant you were always at that location. I've seen other games do this too. Like Dragon Quest games that don't let you save inside dungeons or towns and only on the overworld map. IE your save location is a grid coordinate on the overworld map. Now, some of them had multiple overworlds, so it'd also need to save which world it was, but yeah. It technically let you save in towns, BUT, IIRC loading the save would not load you inside the town, it'd be on the overworld next to the town entrance.

[@CrasherX2000]

*looks at transition screen* _OH GOD WHY DID YOU HAVE TO REMIND ME ABOUT THE $10 EXTRA SAVE SLOT?!!?_

[@zeldasmetaknight]

I see mr resetti on the side with a "will lecture for food" sign

[@antitheist3206]

My pick would definitely be Legend of the Black Buccaneer. It's a PS2 game, so we'd long since figured out decent ways to save game data, but here's what they gave players: You can only save at shrines that get less common the farther you get from the starting location. You have to use a special resource to save the game at all. This resource is collected from enemies, which get progressively more difficult to kill in that they take more damage, deal more damage with each hit, and become harder to hit at all. And every time you save a game, the price to save your progress increases. They did everything in their power to make this game infuriating. It's no wonder there's no complete playthrough of it online.

[@jesusbear7367]

I still have my 100% complete save file for the original PS1 Crash Bandicoot on my memory card. One of my happiest achievements. Lol

[@CrasherX2000]

Jesus Bear how much of your sanity have you lost in the process?

[@PSXDRIVERPLAYERBSTH]

That's nothing, I'll have a 100% save file for all three regions (Europe, America and Japan), done without any passwording starting from 0%, European played multiple times through. (Japanese version doesn't even password, so.)

[@rickthelai]

as someone who enjoyed crash bandicoot 1 growing up, I can tell you that I did not enjoy crash bandicoot 1 growing up

[@gildy77]

For me, the most unique save system has to be the Magic Point system for the Sega CD version of Lunar: Eternal Blue. You gain magic points (different from the MP used to cast spells) from battles and spend an amount equal to Hiro's current level x5 in order to save. The points are also used to upgrade at least one row of spells for each character, which is ABSOLUTELY MANDATORY if you want to unlock certain abilities like Jean's Dopple/Slam Dance (which is needed to defeat Lunn).

[@Thesaurus_Rex]

I would actually like to see Rabbid try to put together a "top 5 games where autosaving gets in the way". Autosaving is generally a good system, but I imagine there are a few games (probably either nonlinear games or games where dying weakens you) where the autosaving makes things harder.

[@Kwatcher100]

Dark Souls?

[@lightlati7496]

Regarding Majora's Mask, consider this: The temporary "Quick Save" at the Owl Statue was a "fix" we got in the West. In Japan, the ONLY way to save was via the Song of Time. Have to leave your home and can't leave your game on? TOO BAD! Back to the first Day for you! :D

[@Webbman76]

I didn't mind the save crystals in Tomb Raider 1 since they provided plenty of them and placed them in logical locations where you would actually need them at. Plus the levels were short usually only taking around 30 mins each. But TR3 on PS1 is the absolute worst. That game was easily the hardest of the classic Tomb Raiders. The levels were huge usually taking at least an hour each if you knew what you were doing and several hours if you didn't. There was usually only around 3 to 4 crystals in each level. Mostly hidden in secret areas where it was very easy to die getting to them. I beat the PS1 legitimately once. Never again. After that I used the all weapons cheat since it gives you 99 crystals. Then I got the PC version and never looked back.

[@angelheart1701]

Wow, all my favorite youtubers are talking about yugioh all of a sudden! My obscure hobby is getting some time in the limelight!

[@frostyblade8842]

Yeah yugioh is amazing

[@kennysk8ter]

Obscure hobby? Yu-gi-oh is still pretty prevalent. I still have my destiny hero deck and I always see yu-gi-oh players whenever I go to my local card shop to play MTG.

[@cipherreese8877]

Orosil A fellow Destiny Hero player- A man of culture I see.

[@mitch.e2960]

In my head I was like I doubt he knows about sacred cards, so glad it was number 1.

[@cipherreese8877]

Rabbidluigi talks about Yugioh... my life is complete!

[@IkesDaddelbox]

Actually, Hydlide 2 for the Japanese MSX computer was the first cartridge with battery saving. But Nintendo was first to make that technology mainstream. ...I think. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[@BludgeonWarrior]

My gosh... I never thought you would ever mention Yugioh.... and man, I have Reshef of Destrutction...still... wonder if I should ever trying playing it again. Duelists of the Roses tho was super fun.

[@SpongicX]

I thought the save system for Kingdom Hearts Chain Of Memories was ridiculous, especially when you get to the bigger levels. Either you have to wait until an enemy drops a disposable save card to create a save room, or you have to backtrack to the last floor of castle oblivion to find a save crystal.

[@DaneTheDane]

Top 10 / 5 most blatant ripoffs of popular games?

[@justice7788]

Shoot, back when I played Crash Bandicoot, I didn't even own a memory card. Better not turn that Playstaion off!

[@Valanway]

That's the exact reason Crash 1 had passwords still. Not everyone had memory cards at the time, and Naughty Dog thought that by not having passwords, people would get screwed over. Its all intentional, and by the second game a year later they did away with passwords because everyone should of had a memory card by then.

[@justice7788]

I should have specified, I was referring to Crash 2. I played that and Warped, it seemed like the first one wasn't around as much

[@Isaygoodday5]

I think this is the first time that I've called the #1 slot in a list. Also not only is that the only way to save, I believe that's also the only way to restore your life points because those carry over between duels.

[@thelittlesonic7250]

You actually talked about The Sacred Cards 😭❤

[@ryanvandenberg3119]

Glad to see that someone else agrees with me on the terrible save system of Majora's Mask. For me, the save system is so bad in Majora's Mask, that I think that it ruins the entire game for me, especially because the game can freeze on you, and if it does, and you used an owl statue to save, you will lose a ton of progress, and it is so frustrating.

[@GINTegg]

I would like to suggest a similar video on awkard/unfair checkpoint systems.

[@jaredbarker9515]

The owl statue system in Majora's Mask N64 is really maddening because there are factors besides skill involved that could make you lose progress. If the game freezes or the power goes out, your progress since the last song of time is fked regardless of whether you used an owl statue or not, which is complete BS. If you're in the middle of a three day cycle and suddenly have to stop playing, you either have to lose your progress or leave the N64 on with the game occupying the slot and your file loaded, which prevents anyone else in your family or any roommates from playing their own MM file or any other N64 game unless they're ignorant of how the game works or are okay with sabotaging your progress. On top of that it makes it more likely to lose your progress from a game freeze or power outage. It's still a fun game, but very selfish. The most annoying saving systems are the ones that create auto saves that have no function other than to punish you. In Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, the auto saves will punish you for turning the game off, but creating these auto saves is optional so you can always opt out of this risk by leaving the system on. This is not so in some other games that use auto saves to punish you. This is really frustrating for new players if there's not an option to turn this off. I'm okay with this being an optional thing to make it harder for veteran players, though. If the game has many elements of luck and some of these things can make it extremely difficult to stay alive if you get unlucky, it's even worse. Minecraft uses this system, but you still have the capability of backing up your file on single player worlds if you wish to do so. This can't be done on servers by players, but the luck factor can be circumvented by playing carefully, so I'm okay with it. The biggest offender I've seen with this is Pokemon Emerald at the battle frontier. It has the evil autosaves, and is highly luck dependent, meaning that there is no way to plan for every situation and you will end up being sent back to the start of most challenges multiple times due to things like quick claw + sheer cold and minimize/double team. The crap nugget on top of the garbage pile is that the game actively inflates the chances of you getting unlucky and the opponent trainers getting lucky. It's a well known fact that can be proven by data mining the game.

[@ClefairyRox]

Regarding Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, Red and Blue Rescue Team have dungeons in the postgame that force you to quicksave when you enter them (a few examples being Fiery Field, Lightning Field, Northwind Field, and most of the 99 floor dungeons). So if your luck goes rotten you better pray you have a usable Escape Orb or you're screwed, because otherwise you can't reset your run without losing everything you're carrying. Thankfully this was not in later games.

[@SerrantDaFoeII]

For those that are interested and don't know: the music that plays in the background of the Majora's Mask segment is from a band (?) called Theophany which makes AMAZING orchestrations of Majora's Mask's OST. HIGHLY reccommended!

[@WilliamHasMelted]

You talking about Yu-gi-oh makes me so happy even if it is dunking on the game. P.s. I love Sacred Cards

[@WilliamHasMelted]

@Dovahgatr I disagree, but I fucking LOVE them

[@BludgeonWarrior]

I still have Reshef of Destruction, which was the only of the gba ones I had, but I preferred Duelists of the Roses as a kid.

[@frostyblade8842]

Yeah yugioh is phenomenal it's great to see non yugitubers talk about it

[@frostyblade8842]

@Dovahgatr no I mean the card game I actually rather enjoy links and I'm pretty happy with the game right now

[@OriginalPiMan]

The Owl Statues in Majora's Mask didn't confuse me as a kid (at least not mechanically) because I was already familiar with a slightly harsher save system. I played a roguelike called Castle of the Winds when I was younger, and like all pure roguelikes, it had permadeath; like most roguelikes, it also had an anti-save scum mechanic that would not let you save without quitting and would delete your save file when you load the game. One major saving grace was that you could save anywhere.

[@andreaswesterveld]

I love how creative your lists are!

[@hyrulehero2773]

I said this in a previous video, and I'll say it again. Top 5 hated games that were loved: 1. Sonic Adventure 2

[@sebastianriddell6614]

You’ve got a good point about saving being extremely important. In any auto save gave that I didn’t know auto saved my first question is “how do I save?”

[@dustwarewolf5532]

And yet the game you used for the transitions, Survive, managed to anger me more than any of these, because at least THEIR terrible save systems were due to incompetent game design, for saving anyways, as oppose to sheer corporate arrogance and messing up on purpose so as to scam people who already paid $60.00 out of even more money.

[@ashwilliams1725]

Dude. I've seen you before MatPat mentioned you and I'm glad he reminded me of you. A fan from the past has now returned.

[@funkyenby5794]

Metroid Prime: Hunters forces you to backtrack TO THE BEGINNING OF THE AREA to save!

[@hoodedman6579]

I feel like Majora's Mask's save system added to the stressful atmosphere; you either had get everything done before the moon crashed or you lost your progress. It kept the tension high, and I think I actually prefer that to be able to properly save at any time, especially with owl saves available.

[@QualityGamingStudios]

I like the majora’s mask save system because it always gives a feeling of accomplishment after completing a cycle imo

[@OrbitalPulsar]

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[@wolfox7776]

I mean, the first 2 DS Yugioh games have a similar save system but managed to not fuck it up because days are on a timer and thus you will always return to said save location every so many minutes.

[@edwardnowakowski5990]

I kinda liked the majoras mask save system, it made me feel like I was trying to Groundhog Day my way into the perfect day

[@SnthwaveSunset]

Me: *sees lucio shirt* Also me: . . . OH LETS BREAK IT DOWN!

[@CrasherX2000]

Cyanide Jack oh oh oh *TIME TO ACCELERATE*

[@lellymapommscymbillnos336]

The save crystals are rare because they contain the trapped souls of Sims.

[@DanRoom27]

Top 10 Examples of Engrish/Weird Dialogue in Video Games

[@SkyeGMSquad]

Another SUPER weird (and probably downright evil) save system is Nyet 3. I haven't played it but I did watch Accursed Farms to an overview on it on Ross's Game Dungeon. Basically, like Tomb Raider, you save via a limited amount of items and you buy them in an item shop along with a few other things. The problem is that 1) The game is REAL stingy with the money you're awarded and 2) Several items are necessary to get through difficult levels and you're not told what those are. You can easily screw yourself simply by buy a save point when you needed to spend your money somewhere else and that's just insidious.

[@arkdetective]

Love that resi 2 save room remix you used for the number screens.

[@MizukiUkitake]

"Being able to save makes games a bit easier" TELL ME ABOUT IT! One of my first ever video game consoles aside from the N64 was the Playstation 2. I got Kingdom Hearts after weeks of begging for it, and I was so excited to jump right in and play. However, since I was brand new to gaming at the time, neither I nor my mom knew you had to use a memory cartridge in order to save...... So while Kingdom Hearts is a very merciful game that would return me to where I left off whenever I died, I couldn't actually save the game. Meaning it would be left on when I went to bed or to school. But that was okay. I was doing great. I felt like I was the most amazing gamer ever, because I was able to easily defeat Oogie Boogie, and Sephiroth was a piece of cake. Eventually, I got to one of the last worlds, which had invisible walls that eventually led me to a glowing portal. I went into the cave surrounding the portal, and was about to jump into the light when I realized it was indeed not a trap, when suddenly everything went black. The Playsation shut off, the TV shut off, and it was suddenly considerably darker in the room. My step dad had accidentally shut off the power to the wrong part of the house while he was trying to do some electrical stuff in the master bedroom. Needless to say, the words "devastated" and "distraught" are understatements, and I never forgave that asshole. I tried to get back into it, but couldn't, and spent 13 years avoiding the game, and in those 13 years, I have never finished a single game, because I am too haunted by the memory of never getting to finish my first game I ever played.

[@nathanm8792]

That was a awkward ad a ad popped up for body pain

[@SuperLlama42]

Enemy Zero, an obscure Saturn survival horror game where your save data is handled by an in-game device with limited battery life and no way to recharge, and not only saving but even LOADING costs battery life. Thus, dying too many times (and you WILL die a lot, because the primary threat to your life are invisible aliens that can only be detected via an increasing audio ping, can kill you in one hit and can only be killed via a weapon that can only be used at point blank range and has a slow recharge rate to prevent spamming) will eventually render your save file worthless.

[@AstralPhnx]

Honestly the worst part about Pokemon Colosseum I found was the fact that a single save file for that game uses 48 BLOCKS OF MEMORY CARD SPACE. As someone who only has a single gamecube memory card which is 59 blocks... You can see the problem

[@DangerNoodless]

The save crystals in Tomb Raider 3 made the ps1 version so frustrating, especially since the final chapter gives you so few of them while beeing the hardest part of the game.

[@GhostofGriever]

rabbidluigi, you’re a gaming and KZbin god .. I always get so excited when I see that you uploaded. Please never change.

[@Videokirby]

Oh man, I forgot about Reshef of Destruction. I remember it had that weird as hell ante system that made me lose because I kept not wanting to risk my cards. Also I think I remember seeing a guide where it says the final boss just has like... 20k Lifepoints. And only saving at home STILL happened in the DS games, but it's less bad because you're forced to your home every night in Nightmare Troubador and Spirit Caller. You're forced in Troubador because shadow-game duelists will mug you once night falls, and you're forced in Spirit Caller because "Woah! It's time to go dorm!"

[@MrOmegatronic]

IIRC, one of the biggest time-eaters in _Pokémon_ save mechanisms has historically been checksums. _D/P_ were particularly aggressive about this, validating *every single box* if you accessed any of them, and typically taking around 15-20 seconds to save as a result (and also being noticeably faster whenever you didn't use the boxes).

[@oldDNU]

Oddworld: Abe’s Oddysee for PS1. You couldn’t overwrite save files, so every time you saved, it had to be to a new file. This caused the memory card to fill up fast, so you would basically have to manually delete the old file every time you saved.

[@Aweman11]

I thought Komaru from Ultra Despair Girls sitting on a training potty was going to be on the list, I misunderstood the title of the video.

[@gallowsgradient]

You could save your game in RPGs 5 years before Zelda came out.

[@jonahj9519]

I think Majora’s Mask’s save system is unique and I appreciate it for being a unique piece of game design. When you start a 3 day cycle, you’re forced to kinda plan out your actions for it a bit so because if you fail and run out of time, you gotta do the whole thing over again. You get no safety nets, and I think it’s fun.

[@UchaNekome]

The save system in Majora was meant to invoke a sense of urgency. Admittedly a lot of impatient kids won't get that.

[@cartooncritic7045]

There gets to be a point where themes conflict with good game design.

[@rarm5899]

Ucha Nekome And a lot of people who prefer a simple and convenient save system

[@orangeslash1667]

@@cartooncritic7045 It is a dark game.

[@Mudkip971]

I disagree with you on Majora's Mask. I like how you save it on the N64 because it prevents players from cheating and reloading a previous save file if they failed something during the 3 day period. That's the consequence of the mechanic and it is as it should be. The 3DS version ruins the point of time travel and spirit of the original.

[@antimatter3084]

But if the save system directly inconveniences the player than the save option in the 3DS version is far better especially since that game is on a handheld.

[@Mudkip971]

@@antimatter3084 It doesn't inconvenience. You can make at any point temporary owl saves and that's fine. If you were allowed to reload a save after already being reloaded than that's just cheating the system.

[@Zeturic]

I don't remember having any major problems grokking MM's save system as a kid.

[@lordtullus9942]

Same here. I had more problems finding a hookshot target.

[@iammaxhailme]

Incredibly good timing because last week I started really getting into a certain Yugioh GBA game after having not thought about Yugioh for about 10 years. Is it the one you talked about? Fuck no! It's Worldwide Edition Stairway to the Destined Duel

[@Japancommercials4U2]

This reminds me of Donkey Kong Land's save system where you can only save after collecting all of the KONG Letters in a level.

[@amirgarcia547]

Japancommercials4U2 Cleveland: Oh now that’s just nasty.

[@josephfrance3223]

Top 5 games saved by voice acting!!! This could be games that are bad but have great voice acting, or games that are okay but made amazing by voice acting, good or hilariously bad.

[@MaxMonado]

I want to see this, Fire Emblem Echoes could be on there

[@rarm5899]

Joseph France I don’t see how any bad game would be saved by the _voice acting_ of all things lol

[@josephfrance3223]

@@rarm5899 hello, Nicktendo. allow me to introduce you to a game called Shenmue. specifically the first 2. so bad it's good voice acting at it's finest. Edit: for the record i am FUCKING STOKED now that i have to specify "the first 2 Shenmue games"

[@toasterman3218]

I have a suggestion: Do a list of games that were better in the beta or alpha stages. And plz include Starbound to the list. It needs more recognition.

[@aionicthunder]

Toaster Man So, Superman 64?

[@darcyrose4079]

Thank you for talking about MM. Whenever I talk about why I don’t really like it I get talked down to because I don’t like the save system. I didn’t understand it for a while and I played it as an adult. And no, I don’t have the option to play the 3ds version where it is easy to save.

[@thenextnx1765]

Top 5 handheld only series that should come to home console (to celebrate Pokémon Sword & Shield)

[@amirgarcia547]

TheNextNX I know they’re spin-offs, but I’d love to see a new Pokémon Mystery Dungeon or Mario&Luigi game on Switch.

[@rarm5899]

Crono Sapien Mario & Luigi at least I’d say is guaranteed to come to the Switch at some point. And I’m so goddamn hyped for when that finally happens.

[@FixTheWi-Fi]

... Can't really think of any pprtable Nintendo series that haven't been brought to Switch yet... Oh. OH. GOT ONE. F*CKING PROFESSOR LAYTON!

[@spectrevampire]

I remember playing GTA 3 on the PC. The game ran slow as molasses, making it a chore every time I had to go back to the safehouse to save. I had to play in top-down mode most of the time because that was the only way to get it to run fast enough. Eventually I switched to the console version and stopped having this issue.

[@lukeerikblue958]

You should do a video for top 5 games where you control two/multiple characters at the same time. Four swords singleplayer and/or triforce heroes, paper mario, pikmin, astral chain, ice climbers in smash? I'd be curious as to your insight.

[@MrOmegatronic]

Don't forget _The World Ends With You_ .

[@Chosen2axe]

saw the title, knew instantly Majoras mask would be here somewhere.

[@markmyers6756]

And let's not forget the Yugioh game in question also has gauntlet matches were you can't save or restore life in tell your done with them.

[@ramsey276]

Since the PS1 game, Forbidden Memories, and that game lets you Fusion Summon ANY MONSTER and without the Spell! Multiple duels without saving is the perfect recipe for grinding or raging. Possibly why I didn't buy the PS2 ones...

[@LukeWebster1991]

Top worst ways to travel in video games (I.e everytime you need to take a slow ass train to each area)

[@NeoShadowWolf]

12:08 "How did anyone enjoy this game growing up?" Developing a TON of patience while being a little sadomasochist. I completed that bad boy with all of the gems as a kid. Years later, I completed the Crash N. Sanity Trilogy including all platinum relics. Hard games make me hard now. :)

[@sunnyhvar1992]

I don't know, I for one really liked the system in Majora's Mask - Song of Time and the statues being the only ways to save made me play the game in what felt like chapters - start the cycle, do what I have to do in a location, go to a new location, save by the statue, continue later, or just reset the cycle. I will concede that it is a bit stupid that the save is a one-time thing, but at the same time, it is somewhat flavorful - the entire gimmick of the game is that it keeps track of where you are in the timeline, and it knows you moved on from the point at which you saved... so I really never had an issue with it. Maybe that's just me though

[@colleenglanville8293]

You know what, I find it quite iconic for the saving system to be a bathroom stall lol, but it's always a pain to have to wait to save in a certain way! 😂😄😁👍

[@CoopersCrazy]

Yeah, I never really had a problem with Pokemon Colosseum's save system? It doesn't make the game harder at all, it just makes it slightly more tedious because of backtracking. I don't really see how it's any different from other games that have specific save spots, such as Metroid.

[@SolstaceWinters]

#4 reminds me a little of Breath of Fire V: Dragon Quarter. You had "Save Tokens" which allowed you to save at the pay-phone lookin' save spots in the game. Yes that's two situations in one, both 'limited saves' and 'specific places allowed to save at'. They made it a tad more interesting as based on many factors in the game like time it took to beat the game, total level, foes beat, depth in bonus dungeon, total money, extra areas explored, and the other hallmarks of a Metroidvania game (which BoF5 is not), the game rated you a score ranging from 1/8192 to 1/4 (the game's version of Ranking all people in the world of BoF5), and the better at the game you were the higher the rank got (up to the 1/4, something I've never been able to do, 1/8 was the best I could ever do). Upon the next new game+, you'd port over bonus XP, equipment, money, abilities, progress on your bonus town/dungeon, etc etc. The higher the rank, the more rooms you could explore in the dungeon, effectively offering you better xp, loot, abilities, and not-from-Ryu's-perspective cutscenes. It was REALLY really cool, even if it was too hard for me to perfect the game. Maybe I should go back to it sometime...

[@ReigningSemtex]

Nice to hear a bit of mono memory in the background

[@PunkDisciple23]

I played both The Sacred Cards and Reshef as a kid. Sacred Cards had a relatively moderate difficulty whereas Reshef was wild and you had these goblin men called Chevaliers that you had to fight 3 at a time and each had 10k life points

[@horrorkesh]

saving is not a difficulty metric it causes frustration, frustration causes gamers to quit the game and in many circumstances it makes you throw your controller, when it's done wrong and requiring backtracking over and over, stealth games require a good save anywhere at any time system and also a checkpoint system because stealth is more strategy than action

[@elemomnialpha]

Can we get some more Yu-Gi-Oh videos?