What Is A Frigate

An in-depth video into reasons for classifying one of your ship builds and space engineers as a frigate based on what job or roll the ship is to play within a fleet.
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[@breytac]

In the Outlands series, each ship class has a build time. The frigate takes 0.5 "turns" (Which I think is 1 episode = 1 turn)

[@badgerwildgaming6908]

Ya the rules of that game have some great organic story telling. Getbrocked did a great job on that series.

[@Xero1of1]

6:05 I believe hospital ships can have enough arms and armor to defend against pirates on tiny vessels like 16 footers with an outboard engine that you'd see on a lake or something fishing. So, 50 Caliber and smaller arms. I believe they can also use the water jet defenses since they're non-lethal.

[@badgerwildgaming6908]

Possibly I think they just can't have anything that could be determined antiship weapons.

[@TheRezro]

I remind that in international law arming hospital ships is strictly illegal. But it depend on the setting.

[@GEA_RuthlessKillaz35]

​@@TheRezroAnd it'll make it a legitimate military target.

[@TheRezro]

@@GEA_RuthlessKillaz35 No. But some settings straight do not give F about that. Law of war was not dictated by morality, but practical matters. But that not always may be a factor.

[@GEA_RuthlessKillaz35]

@@TheRezro I know that dude, truthfully I never focus on the hospital ship side of things since barely any navies irl has them nowadays. 💀

[@seanjamin1249]

Enjoyed the video. Just getting back into Space Engineers and It's really cool to see the stuff people build in this game.

[@badgerwildgaming6908]

Yup there is a massive carrier someone build I can't remember the name but I will do a video on it soon.

[@robopenguin5501]

The immensity. That thing is crazy@@badgerwildgaming6908

[@badgerwildgaming6908]

@robopenguin5501 yup I want to review it this week.

[@mattypusplatypus3340]

Really useful guide; I was previously thinking more along lines of size and weight and hadn't really considered specialised roles so this will definitely be useful in my own builds! Thanks :)

[@badgerwildgaming6908]

Ya the more I looked into ship classes the lest reliving size and weight gets when it comes to medium ships.

[@lieps2547]

always interesting how law and things like that affect classifications like a certain carrier lookalike helicopter destroyer (that just happens to be able to carry F35B)

[@badgerwildgaming6908]

Yup expect more of that one in later videos.

[@muninrob]

The USMC landing cruisers are pretty cool too - they also have helicopter "carrier" capabilities. (And look like a miniature aircraft carrier from above.)

[@badgerwildgaming6908]

@muninrob those are true assault ships which I will discuss in a later video.

[@TheRezro]

I just say that whole thing is largely overblown.

[@Chieftian101]

Ay, thanks for the explanation. Looking forward to more classification videos, I guess my most recent design would be a frigate. It was designed will the sole purpose of being a moderate size defensive wall to deny small craft and munitions from whatever it’s defending. (In my case, a station or refinery). It features a heavy frontal (roughly 120%) max firepower kill box and weak rear armour and weaponry. Has a weight of about 3.5mil kg, so not sure how that stacks vs other frigates but I’ve gone with the classification of Defensive Frigate.

[@badgerwildgaming6908]

If paired with a destroyer or an attack frigate it would work great. With the ai blocks you could have it defending your main ship while you operate.

[@xXStampsXx]

Ok Lets talk about Frigates, I agree with a lot of what you have said here just want to expand on it some. The frigate is the classification for a medium size and weight ship that does a specific task in the fleet structure. If you need to fill a specialized role, task or gap within the fleet and it can be done within a medium weight class hull then you have built a frigate. All the magic comes from this 1->2 approach to the ship design, medium general purpose hull -> add specialized equipment and systems to perform a task to a usefully effective level. Usually these types ship should also be reasonably priced so its effective but also somewhat expendable/replaceable. Just going to list some examples of types of frigates to illustrate the concept. Light/Heavy Frigate Screening/Flak/Anti-Fighter Frigate Escort/convoy Frigate Medical/Hospital Frigate Supply/Cargo Frigate Support Frigate Surveillance/communications Frigate Repair/Maintenance Frigate Assault/Armored Frigate Missile Frigate Patrol Frigate Laundry Frigate (if you know this joke A+) Just remember that for the most part even if the specialized role a frigate is filling is combat oriented the frigate should never be the hardest hitting element in the fleet/task group, they always play a supporting role even in combat. The Other large advantage to building frigates is that unlike building a super sized capital ship that can do everything but only ever be in one place at time, several frigates of differing types can be in multiple locations with a leaner force composition tailored for the mission at hand.

[@badgerwildgaming6908]

Yup the idea is to have fast made almost expendable ships that do one role really well.

[@Chieftian101]

Thanks for additional explanation and list.

[@TheRezro]

Frigates are literal definition of Jack of all Trades. Those are ships large enough to do most of the jobs (they also can be easily specialized), but small enough so loosing one would not be huge blow to operations. Those are basically workhorses od the navies and most ships used by players fall in this category. Especially as they have decent cargo space. Though they aren't really expected of proper fleet combat, at best somewhere in second line. In context of the game those would be basically typical well armed and fast, small mobile bases, with assembler setup allowing repairs in the field. Decent crew space as you would stay long time in those. Sometimes even rafinery. Weapons would be diverse as you never know if you bump on ship or the swarm of fighters. Though commonly you would end running from the threats. Especially as they should be also affordable. I personally also use Escort ship type (called by Americans Destroyer Escort and British Sloop). Those are basically armed merchantman or low end warship, used for protection of the convoys. As those may not have jump drives (especially AI cargo ships) Escorts also do not need have it or may have optional. Typically larger then Corvettes as crew spend a lot of time inside, but sometimes even less armed and structurally sound. Absolute budget design! I could also add Escort Carrier. What are smaller Carriers used for providing craft maintenance of convoys and fleets lacking proper Fleet Carriers. Those also tend to bit more armed in point defense and to a degree overlap with Escorts. But they have proper facilities for usually a wing of fighter crafts and a jump drives, so they could escape without loosing assets. Destroyers are sometimes defined as uparmed Frigates (what literally Heavy Frigate is). But those get explanation later.

[@ImNtDead]

Well unless you base it off of a specific time in naval history or are inspired by a ship classification system of a certain IP a frigate can basically be whatever you want it to be and it will not be limited by size or weapons.

[@badgerwildgaming6908]

Yes in starwars there is a logistics frigate that's bigger than most ISD's

[@ImNtDead]

@@badgerwildgaming6908 There is even a Frigate smaller then most corvettes hehe and some of these same frigates are also called cruisers its pretty wild

[@badgerwildgaming6908]

@ImNtDead that may be for international laws or treaties.

[@ImNtDead]

​@@badgerwildgaming6908 well one reason had to be the changing of the classification systems from the Rusan Reformations to the Annaxes War College system. This would cover some but not all so I imagine another reason was language barriers. In a galaxy of over 20 million races misidentifying ship types is almost guaranteed. An extension of that possibility is self identification and national pride. In the interwar period and World War II the USA didn't adopt the term frigate when the British brought it back and chose to identify their ships as destroyer escorts

[@badgerwildgaming6908]

@ImNtDead startrek does this with the warbird class with the Romulus.

[@lego_is_cool8687]

does size matter? like say i have a 50 large grid blocks long and i make it a lancer frigate. would it be changed because of the size of it? or no

[@badgerwildgaming6908]

35 to 60 blocks is the iwl standard for a frigate.

[@lego_is_cool8687]

@@badgerwildgaming6908 ok thats good to know

[@TheRezro]

@@lego_is_cool8687 Size matter in a sense that Frigate should be relatively easy to build even by one player, though generally providing space and facility for few people. Important note! The dividing line between Frigate and Destroyer is that Frigate should hold own assembler facility, when Destroyer is pure combatant (in theory they should operate and escort other support ships).

[@kinngrimm]

Do you have workshop links for these ships?(something i asked myself with the other classification vids too :) ) especially that orange one i want to look at in creative.

[@badgerwildgaming6908]

Just tell me which one you want and I'll do a video with a link to it.

[@kinngrimm]

@@badgerwildgaming6908 what i actually always am looking for are rather ship disections. You know you take a ship and then cut it in slices. Equally horizontally as vertically. That way we can judge how the spacing of armor blocks, what bulkheads are put where. Which type of armor blocks are prefered at what position and why :) The science of shipbuilding so to speak hrhr

[@badgerwildgaming6908]

Might have to do that once.

[@danielboatright8887]

Paused at the 7min mark, you say the screening frigate doesnt have to go very fast. The Lancer in lore was equal to a Ywing in speed, making it not that much slower than an Xwing. Thats what makes it so effective as well, its fast and has guns designed to target small fighters, and that speed means it can chase them, or at least force them to run away. If the Empire had been smart, each star destroyer would have had several of these as an escort.

[@badgerwildgaming6908]

It just has to keep pace with the other ships it's tasked to protect or screen. It's not built to kill corvettes or destroyers and the Lancer was use as an example of how you can place guns on a screening frigate.

[@TheRezro]

In real life, large warships are actually faster then smaller one. As such Destroyers as dedicated warfleet escorts tend to have decent power plants to keep up with them. While Frigate as multi-purpose (and that also include sufficiently cheap) ships. Only need to be fast enough. Especially as they are expected to carry own facilities. Though of course they are faster then bottom line convoy Escorts.

[@driftkingtate]

What is name of that first frigate

[@badgerwildgaming6908]

Hey uploading a video this Friday on that frigate with a link to it in the discription.

[@jcataclisma]