When I moved to Utah in 1960, I met a white couple attending BYU who were not Mormon, but did have an eye-opening Mormon experience. They often invited fellow students to their apartment for religious discussions. One day the land lady barred their way to their apartment with a broom in her hands. She saw a black student in the group and did not want him sitting on her furniture. This black man was a Panamanian Mormon. She had no problem with a white non-Mormon touching her furniture, but a black Mormon? This is an example of how racism went deep in Utah Mormons.
@debbieshrubb12222 ай бұрын
😢
@sgee-vc1hz2 ай бұрын
Latter Day Saint Church Leaders will not take responsibility for anything --- so, yes, they have been willing to throw mormon god under the bus since the beginning.
@debbieshrubb12222 ай бұрын
And throw the membership under the bus too.
@wolkewolke77042 ай бұрын
I was a mormon in Austria for my whole life - quit after 63 years because of their blatant hypocrazy ... don`t want to be associated to that cult any longer. In my opinon now I believe / it seems to me that EVERY organised religion is just about power and therefore EVERYTHING Jesus did NOT STAND FOR.
@IndySpirit2 ай бұрын
Agree 💯 percent. Ex-catholic here.
@UmWhaaat2 ай бұрын
Idk if you meant to spell hypocrisy “hypo-crazy”…I like it! It works!
@terryberwick7602 ай бұрын
I also exmormon from Australia I totally agree
@kingimatthews44812 ай бұрын
Such a mean spirited church, even when I was in it , I was blind to lots of things, I feel accountable at the time I was in it, its been 60 plus years , an glad to have left.
@ExploreXplore3942 ай бұрын
I find the church embarrassing I guess you could add other church's. But my experience in the LDS church and leaders supposedly (prophets) brain wash members to deny their true selves.
@rmj49782 ай бұрын
This series are totally amazing!! Thanks MS and Dr Harris.
@johnmcgrath61922 ай бұрын
I have to admire how religious leaders are so capable of training God, like a good dog, to obey their commands,
@steevenhyde35052 ай бұрын
Yep.
@onyourcoffeebreak24762 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@Nia-Kenia2 ай бұрын
So APTLY put 🤩
@monyetgoblog70382 ай бұрын
@@johnmcgrath6192 gonna name my next dog king of kolob🤣
@AnnBowers-yw3yw2 ай бұрын
My father, an X Mormon always said the church did away with segregation because it needed a better basketball team at BYU
@jeffsaxton7162 ай бұрын
There's truth there.😂
@ExploreXplore3942 ай бұрын
I can believe it.
@CatskillsGrrl2 ай бұрын
@alberteinsteinoughy2tellyaI believe it. And I’m sure there are Mormons in good standing who still believe in pure blood.
@pebblebrookbooks4852Ай бұрын
🤣 Danny Ainge still believes there is no fun after midnight tho...
@evanhill98902 ай бұрын
I love this series! Great work.
@ExmoRaymo2 ай бұрын
My elderly relative refused a blood transfusion 2yrs ago because she didn’t want “black blood”. I was dumbfounded.
@danielkaranja79782 ай бұрын
😢
@sr22912 ай бұрын
I was at the post office in Seattle in the 1990s. We bought stamps and the only ones left were of Black leaders. We thought they were cool. A White woman and her daughter walked in and asked if we had an extra stamp for their letter to a relative. I showed her the stamps. She totally reeled and acted like she couldn't possibly put that stamp on the letter to her relative. Crazy.
@carolinecastiglione90752 ай бұрын
disgusting
@carolinecastiglione90752 ай бұрын
@@sr2291 what an example for your kid "family values"?!?! . Not related, but After WWII when Germany was broke, they had a tremendous surplus of hitler stamps and still used those for almost 2 years in some areas.
@sr22912 ай бұрын
@@carolinecastiglione9075 You are equating Black Leaders to Hitler? Ok.
@jgalexy1402 ай бұрын
The Green book was NOT published by the Chamber of Commerce! They were published by Victor H Green in New York. He was a former postal worker who collected information from other postal workers and printed the information in his self-published magazine.
@ShinbrigTV2 ай бұрын
When I think I'm "done" with reading up on Mormon history, Billy Mays (RIP) comes into my head saying: "BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE!!!"
@InternationalMysteries3602 ай бұрын
Marian Anderson was a friend of Mrs. Roosevelt. Mrs. Roosevelt quit the DAR (Daughters of the American Revolution) when they wouldn’t let her sing. She then held a special concert for her at the Lincoln Memorial. If Mrs. Roosevelt figured it out, what about this so called prophets and revelators?
@randoms71132 ай бұрын
A lot of members are now saying, we misinterpreted talks & scriptures. It was now a spiritual darkness. … I just can’t believe how they justify it.
@crystalwilcox14862 ай бұрын
Misinterpreted? Are they not prophets and seers?
@randoms71132 ай бұрын
@@crystalwilcox1486 I guess the top hat wasn’t available that day🤷♂️😂
@ericseamons99822 ай бұрын
@@crystalwilcox1486Elder Christopherson, an Apostle gave a talk a few years ago about how a prophet is only a prophet when they act as such. This is a quote from Brigham Young. He said that prophets, if they are not in tune with the spirit, can say things that are not true. Leaders have said stuff like this since the early days of the church, but they are now bringing attention to these old teachings because it is extremely obvious now that the leaders were wrong.
@crystalwilcox14862 ай бұрын
@ericseamons9982 If not in tune with the spirit, then are they truly prophets and seers ? People have a tendency to believe the title instead of relying on their innate ability to discern truth from falsehood. Every religion has the issue of "fallen" leaders. But they also have leaders that tend to color doctrine based upon personal opinion. That is what makes us human... imperfect beings. There is also a tendency to make excuses for mistakes made instead of accountability and ownership. Prophets and seers are fallible just like everyone else.
@ericseamons99822 ай бұрын
@@crystalwilcox1486 I agree.
@Zeett092 ай бұрын
My super nice father in law told me black slaves were lucky as they were able to get a free ride to America. He is simultaneously the most loving person I’ve ever met AND the most racist man I’ve ever met. Perplexing.
@CGall_2 ай бұрын
Oh yes, I'm sure the free ride was completely luxurious.
@eastcoastguy_08032 ай бұрын
@@CGall_ I wonder if he would be as loving to a black person as to a white person.
@jackiekrieger49212 ай бұрын
Disgusting. The hatred is sickening.
@MostBoringNameEver2 ай бұрын
Oh yes, I've heard this from my mother... And my husband is black.
@BunnyWatson-k1w2 ай бұрын
The LDS apostle Bruce R. McConkie stated that Blacks would never hold the priesthood during his lifetime. They did in 1978 and McConkie later died in 1985.
@markroberts42822 ай бұрын
Then after the ban was lifted, he said this, “Forget everything that I have said, or what President Brigham Young or President George Q. Cannon or whomsoever has said in days past that is contrary to the present revelation. We spoke with a limited understanding and without the light and knowledge that now has come into the world.” In other words, forget all the damage I’ve done to understanding races, forget all the biases and prejudices I’ve helped millions of Mormon increase, forget that I poisoned the discourse for the last 30 years. Yes, since I have changed you must, like good sheep, change with me.
@TheBackyardProfessor2 ай бұрын
I never believed what he said the first time@@markroberts4282
@elainebeard29222 ай бұрын
Segregation is of the devil. These so called leaders will have to stand infront of God and give an accounting for their disgusting behaviour.
@rachelbryner36692 ай бұрын
Christ was not white! According the church definition of Canaanite, they are black. Three Gentile women in the Matthew genealogy of Christ are Canaanite: Tamar, Rahab, and possibly Bathsheba since her husband was Hittite which is Canaanite…the whole one drop rule means Christ could not be our “great high priest”!
@harlanlang65562 ай бұрын
A Mormon response might be that what happened to Christ was because of his lineage. He wasn't treated very well.
@rachelbryner36692 ай бұрын
@@harlanlang6556 Jews of that time were not white. Those who are not mixed with European blood look just like the Arabs, their cousins.
@mellisagreen78012 ай бұрын
For a church that has Jesus Christ in its name it sure doesn't act christlike. Did Jesus practice segregation? A God that believes in segregation could surely not be my God
@jackiekrieger49212 ай бұрын
Especially since Jesus wasn't white. It just goes to show how wrong the LDS Church is.
@monyetgoblog70382 ай бұрын
@@mellisagreen7801 it's Jesus brother of Satan son of the king of kolob 🤣. That Joe Smith loving Jesus I expect that behavior from
@ericseamons99822 ай бұрын
The church used the Bible to justify the segregation. The apostles were not allowed to teach the Gentiles the gospel until after Jesus’s ascension to heaven. That is what we were taught growing up.
@RobotClean138-lx1bo2 ай бұрын
Consider this, both Ezra Taft Benson agreed on one fact. That being, the Civil Rights Movement was chocked full of communists--often the NYC variety.
@joannaschmidt19252 ай бұрын
I am really enjoying this series. I had to pause to post this comment. If the "cursed" people would eventually turn white, if they were obedient and righteous enough, then wouldn't that blond haired, blue eyed, fair completed student of Banian's prove the point? If that student did have African ancestry, but now presented as white, would it be fair to argue that his particular "curse" was lifted?
@barbaranavin27382 ай бұрын
Were there any racially restrictive covenants recorded on post World War II housing in Utah? I learned by reading Richard Rothstein's book, Color of Law, that the federal government and FHA would only fund housing developments that recorded "Caucasians only" restrictive covenants - this applied not only to initial sale, but to rentals, and to any subsequent sales. Most famously, this applied to the "Levittowns" in the east, but also in most states in the country. Of course, this effectively prevented the building of wealth through homeownership, which largely led to the current white/black "wealth gap" - a gap that can now never be bridged.
@barbaranavin27382 ай бұрын
This created "de jure" segregation, as opposed to "de facto" segregation - and lasted to many years.
@skeeweethree2 ай бұрын
Ask Bill O’Reilly. John Stewart drew his attention to the bucolic neighborhood for veteran loan families he grew up in was not open to black veteran’s families buying with their GI bill benefits.
@LifeAfterBelief2 ай бұрын
This series is amazing!!!
@gracex82762 ай бұрын
What a fascinating discussion!!!
@coldwar452 ай бұрын
13:53 Is this the same Marian Anderson that was refused performance at Constitution Hall by the DAR in 1939 so Eleanor Roosevelt organized a concert for her on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial?
@karenjunguzza66112 ай бұрын
Yes it is.
@coldwar452 ай бұрын
@@karenjunguzza6611 I thought so.
@iamjustsaying12 ай бұрын
Fascinating, valuable information re. the inner workings, behind the scenes, operations of church leadership and their fumbling of racial equity.
@camcat26Ай бұрын
I noticed that Utah hospital blood banks were segregated until the early days of the AIDS crisis. Where can I dig further into that?
@mellisagreen78012 ай бұрын
We don't come to you,. You come to us is the same thing as ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK. That is a crazy tagline for a church.
@function0077Ай бұрын
How gracious of "prophet" David O. McKay for not destroying another man's life for having a different opinion. How American. /s
@gregcroon67682 ай бұрын
I recently had a Mormon tell me G-d and Christ are racist and the original racist verses in the Book of Mormon were correct and shouldn't have been removed.
@bodytrainer1crane7302 ай бұрын
😯
@randoms71132 ай бұрын
I asked a similar but asked why did they change the 1920 version of the verse. Firstly they now teach it’s a spiritual darkness and secondly, they are happy the Book of Mormon changes to fit their faith. It’s ironic since Mormons restored the church based on changes to fit the narrative.
@gregcroon67682 ай бұрын
@randoms7113 it was Greg Mattson of CWIC explaining that apologetics version of rrality that began my questions of mormon truth claims.
@ShalishaAlston2 ай бұрын
Racist language hasn't been removed from BOM.
@MsYoung-nx5cv2 ай бұрын
The verses that claim I'm a Lamanite, a descendant of wicked people? The verses that promise I'll become WHITE and DELIGHTSOME, IF I allow myself to become a sheeple? NO THANK YOU! I love my beautiful skin that never needs a tan. By the way, DNA results of most Native Americans do not trace us to the middle east, but to east Asia. lol
@bookmedia672 ай бұрын
Someone needs to write a proper biography on Mark E. Petersen. His views on race are just the tip of the iceberg. He authored some of the most bizarre books on LDS sexuality, morals, and courtship that I have ever seen.
@monyetgoblog70382 ай бұрын
@@bookmedia67 Petersen was a real peter 🤣
@ExploreXplore3942 ай бұрын
Tell me more.
@bookmedia672 ай бұрын
@@ExploreXplore394 Basically, take the weirdest, most awkward fireside you ever attended as a young single adult and make it even weirder. See his early book list on Wikipedia.
@ExploreXplore3942 ай бұрын
@@bookmedia67 Yep, just read wikipedia. He is shocking. A racist. Blacks will be servants to white in the Celestial Kingdom. He believed blacks and whites should be segregated and white and blacks should not marry. All of these statements is contradictory to gospel of Christ or the commandment to love your brother.
@user-mn4472 ай бұрын
Love this series!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@cassandrar51272 ай бұрын
This is one of the major reasons I knew the LDS church was not of God. How is it possible that policies so heinous are divinely inspired? The racism in mormon doctrine is disgusting.
@function0077Ай бұрын
Or, did Nibley realize he would be ruined financially if he criticized the church and they fired him?
@function0077Ай бұрын
Joseph Fielding Smith is a great example of how nepotism can harm large organizations. He was a petty, pathetic, and simple man.
@Eric-vy1ux2 ай бұрын
Perhaps this came up earlier or later in this episode, but did the LDS doctrine-driven genealogy work have, at least in part, a race-determining function?
@jasonk31712 ай бұрын
The Cadillac mention has more meaning. David McKay had a white Cadillac and drove fast a lot.
@CatskillsGrrl2 ай бұрын
I am just gobsmacked.
@mellisagreen78012 ай бұрын
Is it not fence sitting when you choose to say nothing about segregatiin one way or the other? In fact don't we all do some fence sitting at one point or another in our lives?
@ExploreXplore3942 ай бұрын
If, I think I see religious, elderly, racial, disability, gender, LGBTQ. Any discrimination. My instinct is to call it out.
@robynw82232 ай бұрын
Can you explore and write a book on racism in the Jehovah’s Witnesses next? Their old racist publications and aligning with Hitler and apartheid are appalling. Please speak about it
@paulajaneabel52052 ай бұрын
I thought Nibley wrote a strong defense of the Book of Abraham after examining the document?
@TheBackyardProfessor2 ай бұрын
He wrote several books and articles, none of which have held up well.....
@SuperZpatrick2 ай бұрын
As an Ex-Mormon, I enjoy your shows on KZbin. However, I think your format is too long. Mormon history buffs, like myself, can follow these long broadcasts, but I fear your losing your impact on folks with a more casual interest in Mormonism. Most people don't have the time available to devote two to three hours of time to these videos. I would focus on some 30 minutes to one hour length videos to garner more interest in what you have to say.
@strangeclouds72 ай бұрын
This is what they do, it's a long format podcast. They have always done this and have always gotten views. People know what they're getting into. I specifically listen to Mormon Stories because of their longer format. If people want shorter videos there are dozens of other ex mo channels to choose from.
@DarthAdolf02 ай бұрын
The good ole days.
@alanschannel14952 ай бұрын
john i would love to illustrate these stories for you! the mormon world needs to know this racial history! 1:53:00
Didn’t Nibley also connect the skin of darkness/white & delightsome to marriage practices and a mandate against intermarriage? Maybe in his BOM lectures? I can’t remember where I have this impression from.
@chuckkv2 ай бұрын
Inspiration comes via game of thrones amongst God's prophets and apostles on earth? Why were they not leading the world on this issue before there was ever a Reverend Martin Luther King? The church should be leading from the front where they can set and influence the path into the future.
@pamelalugo15372 ай бұрын
💜🙏
@summerlake3562 ай бұрын
Tower of Babel and about 10 other places in the Bible shows that God stopped being a globalist.
@jasonk31712 ай бұрын
It’s a nod or slam at church prophet then…
@99blackbirds2 ай бұрын
BLM only matters every 4 Years!!!ELECTION! And i am a huge advocate for BLM and all LIVES!!
@99blackbirds2 ай бұрын
MIDDLE GROUND!!!
@crikey472 ай бұрын
Utah is seriously the most bigotted state in the US and they do it with a smile.
@ExploreXplore3942 ай бұрын
Mormons are good at smiling. It's what underneath counts the most.
@monyetgoblog70382 ай бұрын
@@crikey47 Also by far the most creepy. Way worse than backwoods Appalachia.
@eastonsaccount2 ай бұрын
The answer is yes, of course they did LOL
@MsYoung-nx5cv2 ай бұрын
Blame your bigotry on God who is only LOVE? Truly pathetic!
@joelweidenfeld4712 ай бұрын
Full garbage
@pv36272 ай бұрын
Go on…
@patriciafinn57172 ай бұрын
GArbage in whAt way? ?
@pv36272 ай бұрын
@@patriciafinn5717 unless stated otherwise he must clearly be referring to the church leaders as full garbage
@Boa_Omega2 ай бұрын
If it was God's command then there is no BLAME!! It was his commandment. Then the failure to understand is on US. Do you think your God owes YOU an explanation? You put yourself above God that HE answers to YOU? Or that you know "better" than those who came before you. Those who pondered, fasted, prayed who poured out their whole soles to know God's will and the WHY? You think others did not wish with all their souls that the Lord not ask them to have that rule, did not wrestle with God to put away that rule? That only those who opposed the rules were the righteous? That no revelation was offered to them...not yet,when they asked if that rule could be done away with? The stunning arrogance and self righteous arrogance of that is truly unchristian. Contention is of the devil. We are not always given answers . Sometimes wait is all the answer we have forthcoming. Is your faith strong enough to not know?
@brothersinarms55242 ай бұрын
I definitely don’t disagree with any of his facts with regards to the LDS history. However, I feel like he’s become so offended by their openly racist history that he is overcorrected into a far left ideology
@JaeLee832 ай бұрын
Can you give any examples?
@glendastansbury57022 ай бұрын
I’m wondering why anyone wouldn’t be offended by racist history in the LDS church or in any society? I fail to see how that is far left ideology. That is social awareness. “When you know better, do better” Maya Angelou a famous black poet.
@JaeLee832 ай бұрын
@@glendastansbury5702 many people would like to think these issues are behind us and they fail the see the bigotry, sexism , racism , homophobia that still exists today. Their ignorance turns to anger because they refuse to educate themselves.
@jamirr1002 ай бұрын
What did you expect? A republican conservative pointing out racism?