My Relief Society Presidency Nightmare - Lori Young | Ep. 1892

[@auntbeckyjoo]

My patriarchal blessing said I would have sons and daughters who chose me to be their Mother. When I was 35 I was unmarried and was diagnosed with Uterine cancer which resulted in a hysterectomy. I was devastated, felt it was my fault and that my children would have to go someone else who wouldn’t love them the way I could. It led to a severe depression, suicidal ideation and drug addiction. I’m ok now, have left the church and know it wasn’t my fault but it was a dark time in my life.

[@lorijanes-young6253]

I’m so sorry this happened. I’m glad you found your way out. Sending love and healing! ❤

[@user-bw3fl7fj9w]

I converted to the LDS as early 30s... Single and no children...the other women kept emphasized that we were to only date and marry in the church, so could get sealed in the Temple. My devoted Catholic mother kept saying look for a good man... I should have listened to Mom!! So, Im now early 60s, still single, no children.. I had a total hysterectomy. Now, I struggle with LDS faith finding information different then what I was taught and I was like Damm... I've had plenty of nice friends, etc...but, I was frustrated as my patriarchal blessing also spoke about my husband and children!!

[@lj9524]

I am happy you survived your uterine cancer and the cult of Mormonism❤ Wishing peace and joy my dear woman.

[@Loveroffood41]

As someone with crohn's disease, PCOS, and countless other medical issues, I will probably never have kids in this life, and it's hard when I see family members have kids.

[@nicoletassin7307]

So sorry to hear your story. I too was told I'd have kids in my blessing. After many surgeries, procedures, endometriosis, ruptured ovarian cysts etc, I've been rendered infertile. I've been excommunicated from the church many many years ago.....although it put me into a huge depression and suicidal, so glad they made that decision for me as I'm happier without the church and I don't believe it at all and never did. Was raised in the church but always questioned it.

[@cristincarter1]

I've never connected to one of the Mormon stories so much as this one. Thanks, Lori, for sharing. 19 years ago, I had 4 little kids; I was doing ALL the things I was supposed to do. I had a calling in the YW, I did my visiting teaching, I prayed with my kids, we read the scriptures, and I had never been so depressed. No matter what I did, it was never enough. My husband wasn't active and had no interest in the church. My priesthood leader said that I could go ahead and take temple prep classes. I did, but when I was done, they said I couldn't go unless my husband went with me. I was devastated. That was the beginning of the end for me. Finally, one day, I came home from church, left the kids with my husband, and went to my room. I cried like I had never cried before. I told God I wasn't going back, and almost immediately, I felt this peace come over me. I never went back. The next Sunday, I spend the morning snuggling with my kids and watching a Disney movie. It was the best day!

[@llamamama2910]

Why on earth would they say that? They should have just said the underwear and the unmet expectations cause marital friction in mixed faith homes

[@zenda.rawlings]

​@eclipse-sh1qmZ3mOtcua💯

[@MS-bs8od]

Bbbbb

[@Lucy-ym8ch]

@@cristincarter1 there are other churches, real ones, that would welcome you.

[@MomtoAutism]

I recently left the church and mental health has improved significantly. Thank you for this mormon story. It validated so many of my feelings.

[@lorijanes-young6253]

Welcome to the other side! Sending love.💜

[@queensarah5945]

Same. My mental health is improving since I left the church.

[@beardzgorski8397]

I just joined, so my MH has greatly improved..

[@hcmoran72]

Praise the Lord!!! So thankful to hear that!!!

[@SnailWhales]

May you continue to heal! When I left decades ago there were not as many leaving. It is so refreshing that people are figuring it out and feeling themselves.

[@joygernautm6641]

When I was about 17 I dated a Mormon guy. He took me to his church, and after the service we were segregated into young ladies and “priesthood“ meetings. I had to sit there and endure young women and teenagers singing about obedience to their husbands, discussing how they can’t have shorts above the knee at their annual summer camp, and overall that whole thing song sing fake high baby voice they all seemed to have. Coupled with that wide-eyed, vacant far away look? It was crazy. I broke up with that guy the same day.

[@onyourcoffeebreak2476]

😂😂😂😂😂. Good for you.

[@TerryJewell-z5e]

That must have been an eye opening experience.

[@ManonMcGinty]

Completely dodged a bullet there.

[@hanako4475]

Hopefully it opened his eyes a little. Flirt to convert has a fatal flaw: THE CHURCH

[@kevinmcdonald951]

That's dumb.

[@tessaraenelson6051]

I just attended a BYUI alumni networking event. A lot of the older men approached my fiancè to ask him what he studied, etc. My fiancè didn't graduate college. He became an industrial electrician through trade schools. I wasn't asked once what I do for a living or anything. This has happened so many times to me in Mormonism. No one has ever asked what I do and I'm getting a master's degree in 3 months.

[@denisekeeran9883]

What will your masters be in?

[@tessaraenelson6051]

@@denisekeeran9883 Social work!

[@lorijanes-young6253]

Congratulations!

[@jdavis4408]

Congratulations!

[@jacobmcneal3011]

What do you do?

[@Howulikememeow]

I went to middle/high school with Lori! Thank you so much for sharing your story. You are amazing! I left the church in high school and was put in the psych ward several times. I’m finally not ashamed to talk about it and wish my experience was more about nurturing my mental health and not as a form of punishment for leaving the church as a child. I am so thankful you are speaking openly about this because there is still a huge stigma around psychiatric care. Sending love to you and your family ❤

[@lorijanes-young6253]

Thank you so much! I’m sorry for what you went through leaving the church. Sending love and joy! ❤

[@keithballard4621]

Yeah coz it’s expensive. Maybe the real problem was the sugary punch and junk food at Church events made you fat and ugly and the MIA boys teased you. Boys will be boys.

[@gaylynn209]

I have never commented on this podcast before. Thank you for having Lori Young on your show. As a anxiety/panic disorder sufferer; her story resonated with me so much. Some of things I had blocked out came to the for front and I now know why. Thanks John and Marge. Plus thanks Lori for sharing her story.

[@lorijanes-young6253]

Thank you! Here’s to joy and healing! ❤

[@LaurelHulme]

Dear Lori, I just want to say that I relate SO deeply to everything you said. I had a nearly identical experience except as a YSA (all the callings, stake calling, etc.). The only time I felt suicidal was during the last couple years before I left the church. Mormonism IS the illness. Leaving IS the cure. It saved my life. Love you so much and sending you all the joy in the world.

[@lorijanes-young6253]

Thank you! Sending that joy and love right back! So glad we found our way out! ❤

[@AS72831]

❤❤

[@molliejune1813]

I’m 52 and had no idea I had generalized anxiety and social anxiety until five years ago. I’m so grateful for the female therapist who helped me. I’d always thought those feelings were a challenge the Lord gave me to learn and grown from in this life. It was a huge relief to learn that tons of other people had the same feelings and to learn better strategies to handle difficult situations in my life.

[@gigi1332]

I was a 5 time Young Woman President and very devoted convert for decades. When I discovered that my leadership had knowingly lied to me about EVERYTHING I was completely devastated 💔 I can't have those decades back sadly but I am so grateful to have taken my adult children and grandchildren out of this horrific church whose foundation was based on lies

[@Avamue]

Thank you so much for sharing Lori. I left Mormonism at 15 (26 now), but if I hadn't I can see what would have been my future in your life story - an independent, feminist woman trying to fit into a religion that mandates conformity to patriarchal structures. Your story has made me happier than ever that people like you are speaking out about their difficult experiences to show others the real, raw effects of the Mormon religion - your bravery is very, very clear to everyone who watched today. It's stories and people like you that got me out of that religion when I did, and I feel all the luckier for it. I'm also going to steal your idea of internalizing my own meaning to life, and not worrying about making other people happy at my own expense - Mormonism left me with a lot of people pleaser tendencies that I'm still fighting to this day 😅. I'm working on it though! Thanks again for sharing!!!

[@kathymunsee6468]

I called my Releif Society President at one of the lowest points of my life. I was seeking counsel for all l was going through. I told her l was feeling suicidal She said,l cant help you. I dont know anything about suicide. But did she know anything about compassion or understanding?😊

[@lorijanes-young6253]

Thank you so much! I'm so delighted to hear about women who see through the patriarchy bullshit and get out young. 💪 Sending joy and love!

[@michelep.7249]

The Sedona Method teaches to feel wanting approval until it goes away. If you resist wanting approval it persists. This helped me so much. I thought it was wrong to want anyone but God's approval, but when I acknowledged I wanted people's approval I actually found myself less obsessed with trying to deny that I wanted people's approval. Very freeing.

[@nancynurse]

Massachusetts here. This episode gets an A+ from me. I left that mess many years ago when depression would increase at attending Sunday services. Nope, don't need THAT.

[@beardzgorski8397]

lol.... have u been to a baptist church?

[@breanna5763]

SAME

[@anniebesselievre5950]

This is so true most Mormon’s think u should go to college to get married and meet your husband.

[@teresajgregory]

👍

[@jacobmcneal3011]

@@anniebesselievre5950, it’s jokingly referred to as “getting your MRS degree” 😆

[@johnp.1460]

Fabulous, life-changing, inspiring episode! One of my all-time favorites. Even though I grew up in an orthodox, pioneer-stock Mormon household, I was blessed with a feminist mother who had a life and activities outside the church as well as inside, who traveled, learned languages, sought continuing education, and taught her sons to not only value women but to learn how to take care of ourselves so that we were independent without depending on strict, oppressive gender rules. I will be forever thankful for her example.

[@melissar2943]

It was such a wakeup call to me when I realized my whole life the church told me I needed to get to the temple and make promises to god. Then you get there and the final promise you make is you'll give everything to the church. Its a sickening cycle.

[@Suprachiasmatic]

As someone who was also almost taken out by anxiety disorder, thank you for this episode. Talking about living several years in a state of shock was really eye opening to my own personal experience because I didn't have the words for it but that's exactly how it feels looking back. I have huge swaths of time that I don't even remember because of the disassociation of anxiety.

[@John-uq7uu]

You might want to check out the Baha'i faith.. who's Prophet calls on us to recognize the equality of men and women and independently investigate the truth.. study all the religions and make up your own mind

[@sheliabryant3997]

@Suprachiasmatic. Many of us with GAD, UC, etc. "The unspeakables." The DESECRATION of the Holy Bible by j smiff and the PERPETRATION of the EPIC FRAUD that is mormonism is a thoroughly COSMIC CRIME. 👽

[@AleciaHarris]

My experience leaving Mormonism mirrors many of your experiences. I'm having flashbacks listening to this. There is hope, we both got out even when we couldn't see a way out. Our determination, courage , tinacity, and creativity lead us to a healthier, better place.

[@markbillietravels]

My last calling 2 yrs ago was Stk RS Pres 2nd counselor. It was a major reason I opened up to researching the financial fraud in the news, and the slide down the rabbit hole was fast and furious!

[@carlamullenberg1029]

Non Morman from Australia here. Great discussion and another amazing eye opener to just how much damage is done to women to keep them in line. Can you imagine Lori's story if she would have gone to see Jodi Hildebrandt rather than a non-Morman professional.

[@Fatfinger4378]

Would have been Jodi's go-to "diagnosis" I'm sure...."you'll be better after you leave your husband; he's addicted to porn".

[@192837lr]

I think Lori's too smart to fall for Jodi H! Thank you, Lori.

[@paro9059]

I was never encouraged to get a college education. I was completely focused on getting married, having children and keeping a home. Later when my marriage was falling apart I went back to school while juggling all my other responsibilities. So glad to see the church is doing better and at least encouraging women to get an education. I am 68 yrs old . I had the same experience in the temple with the vale over my face. I was 17 when I married. I remember I kept asking what is wrong with me that I had to cover my face. Glad to see they don’t do that anymore either. I no longer trust the men or the priesthood in the church.

[@Rachopin77]

When I was growing up my mom was the main breadwinner as a doctor and my dad was a stay at home dad from when I was maybe 12 to after I left home. He also was the one who did most of the cooking and took us to extra curricular activities despite having a law degree. I genuinely think that disruption of gender roles was extremely powerful for me growing up and made me and my sister way more comfortable with rejecting patriarchy and the things that are just sort of accepted for you to do or be like as a woman. It also made it easier for me to stand up for myself when gender roles are forced onto me because I can think “my parents never even required this of me when I was their dependent, and I never even had them model this for me so why the f should I do this now?”

[@beardzgorski8397]

awesome..

[@victoriaoliver9958]

This is the interview I didn't know I needed. I was thinking the other day that I never want to tell my mom (I'm in my late 40's and she's in her early 70's) that I'm ambivalent about my belief in God because I'm scared she'd literally have a heart attack. 😢 But I feel the weight of all my secret agnosticism.

[@mimihalawi1774]

Maybe she resp. her soul is waiting for you telling. Because it's the truth. What an effort it is to protect our nearest people from the truth and keep us from really being who we are! Maybe she needs this attack of LIVE!

[@SilentThundersnow]

This is one of the most brilliant women I have heard you interview. Thank you for being so vulnerable and open and authentic. Of my favorite writers, Leo Buscaglia said he believes that if we meet 'God,' 'he' will have only ONE question for us: "Why didn't YOU become YOU?" This idea really stuck with me when i first read it in college! Since then, I've thought about how people like Lori are invaluable in this world, not as her 'Mormon conditioned Lori,' but as her authentic self, 'Lori,' ... the 'Lori' the Mormon church was hell bent on snuffing out. Think of what that means?! Think of the loss to this world of the individual that Lori is!! Think of what all of the other 'Lori' individuals had to offer this planet! And the church labels that individual as 'worthless,' if not altered and controlled under their power!!! They literally call it 'UNWORTHY!' Apart from submitting myself to obedience to Mormonism, accepting their Identity, i am 'unworthy': 'No value!' 'WORTHLESS!' Actually the opposite is true!! Lori is of infinite value and worth on this planet as HERSELF, apart from obedience to Mormonism or other mind controlling entity! That's the whole basis of the foundational belief underpinning democracy!! EACH INDIVIDUAL MATTERS! Stamp out the individual and clone everyone under 'one truth' is the goal for this, and any group that wants the control, the POWER, ultimately... The MONEY. We don't like to tie all this to money, and i don't think that's the only motivation behind it, but $250 billion should speak for itself. LOUDLY. Meanwhile, if we don't become our authentic, individual self ('why didn't you become YOU?'), it's a loss to this world that is unimaginably tragic! Women like Lori show the way that we can't even see, or know exists sometimes. We can't become our authentic selves if we don't know it exists and is being silenced! The church hands us our identity and our facade, our image, and we think that image is 'ME.' Living in Utah, I've become so aware of the facade, the image, and what it looks like, and I'm heartbroken as i interact with these women and wonder who they really are, and i hurt for them that they don't know their own Identity! They are usually trying to control people around them as if they are 'in the know' and others (like Lori's husband's grandma) are lost. I'm thinking, 'you don't even know YOU, and you're trying to tell me how to be me??' You've sworn 'obedience to leaders' as your identity that makes you safe, gives you a ticket to a celestial heaven in the NEXT life, with your family, but only if your family is sworn obedience to those same leaders! Clones! And in THIS life, in THIS world, YOU are absent! Your thoughts are in the NEXT life, and fighting to get you and your family there through obedience to Mormon leaders! It's the unimaginable tragedy! You were born to be HERE! Robbing this planet of YOU is a CRIME! I believe THIS world literally cannot be whole without YOU. That is why your story is so powerful and important!!! Thank you for telling it. 🫶🏻

[@lorijanes-young6253]

Thank you so much for sharing your beautiful insight. Living an authentic life is where true peace is found. ❤

[@John-uq7uu]

I love the Baha'i faith.. where men and women are equal and you can't join until you're 18 years old.. we are encouraged to independently investigate the truth of all faiths and recognize that God has sent many prophets.. and our religious leaders have betrayed us but not telling us that they all come from the same one God.. and Joseph Smith was just another con man who started the boys club.... it's disgusting how many million people have been fooled how many billion dollars did they have this is nauseating... I've got a Mormon Bishop for a landlord and he is a slumlord who is ripping off all of his tenants.....❤❤❤ the Baha'i faith they call for the equality of women. You can find it on KZbin

[@LauraOttawa]

I appreciate that she's talking about panic attacks. About 2 years ago I had intense anxiety and panic brought on by stress. (I've been helped by therapy, meds, exercise since then.) I remember when I was having the anxiety and panic I'd sometimes feel ashamed of it, like it was a weakness, like I was a freak, etc. Hearing people talk about their experiences is reassuring. It's a reminder that when we experience these things, it's not something to be ashamed of. Many people go through it. We deserve compassion and proper help.

[@D.T-p9z]

My jaw dropped when she talked about getting her endowment. I had the exact same experience if one might say so. I was such a devout mormon and couldn‘t wait for going thru the temple one day. Before my wedding I went thru the process of this endowment and was SHOCKED. It‘s hard to even describe what it was like. Shaking, glued to my seat, in disbelief… couldn‘t fathom what I just witnessed and foremost what eveeyone else said was normal and ok. Cause it looked super cultish. My future husband at the time went thru the veil and waited and waited for me to get there. Some women talked to me and tried to convince me to go thru the veil cause it‘s the last bit of the process. I cried and cried and was shaking. I probably mumbled that I didn’t want this. But as she told before it’s what you kinda have to do to go on with the marriage. It‘s social pressure. You kinda can‘t back out of it. It was traumatic let me tell ya. And really nothing prepares you beforehand. It‘s kept such a secret. Can‘t imagine why 🙈😆

[@John-uq7uu]

May I suggest you check out the Baha'i faith.... who's Prophet was on Earth at the same time Joseph Smith was.. we have all of his writings.. one of the main beliefs is that men and women should be equal.. independently investigate the truth.. and you can't join until you're 18 and you decide..❤❤❤ the Baha'i faith

[@John-uq7uu]

God gave us the gift of discernment and I believe what everyone is describing is there intuition that the Mormon faith is a cult.. I love my Baha'i faith.. we believe that men and women are equal and that Jesus was a perfect prophet.. and Joseph Smith was not.. it's also obvious

[@John-uq7uu]

God bless all of the great people who have recognized the fraud that is the Mormon church.. I'm a Baha'i and I love the Baha'i faith.. our Prophet calls on us to independently investigate the truth of all the religions and to recognize that God has sent many Prophets and Joseph Smith is not one of them

[@beautifulrose8619]

@@John-uq7uu I don't think this audience is keen to believe in what you're saying and jump blindly into your faith or any other through a youtube comment.

[@texella73]

Longtime Nevermo subscriber. Lori is just so relatable. What a lovely person.❤

[@lorijanes-young6253]

How kind of you to say. Thank you! ❤

[@texella73]

@lorijanes-young6253 You're welcome!! As I listened to your story, I thought, "Wow, she's really figuring it all out at such an early age." Unfortunately, your intellectual curiosity and intolerance for injustice just didn't work inside that bubble. I'm grateful for you and your journey.

[@BreeOlson9]

I never heard anyone talk about panic attacks the way I experience them and the way yall validate them means so much to me. Thank yall so much

[@lorijanes-young6253]

I'm so happy this resonated with you. 💓

[@hc6157]

Nevermo here, 3 generations atheist in fact, but THIS is why I watch Mormon stories podcast! Amazing women overcoming systems of high control and oppression. Makes the state of the world feel a little less bleak listening to women overcoming these circumstances.

[@artladi1453]

I came out of a different cult. But i know now the Bible is true. " while we were His enemies, Christ died for us" "God is Love" . Dear sister, Receive His Love, His blood on the cross cleaned you from all sin, and you can break your family cycle too.

[@hc6157]

@@artladi1453 ew, no thanks. Didn’t ask

[@beautifulrose8619]

Same here. Not in any kind of cult, but I am fascinated to hear these women share their mind evolution.

[@AleciaHarris]

I was all alone when I left, my husband made things worse for me, not better, which contributed to the divorce. I lost my marriage, my faith, my identity, my extended Mormon family, and my friends , but I gained myself.

[@lorijanes-young6253]

I’m sorry for the pain you have been through but so happy you’ve found peace. ❤

[@susanmccombs9438]

This was such a great show! I joined the church at 15, the only member in my family and was so love bombed and fell into such indoctrination! Served as RS president several times etc. and finally ended up leaving after watching LDS Decisions and seeing what I was never taught. So much power was taken away, and now feeling so empowered!

[@jennapruner7989]

Lori I find it appropriate and heart breaking that you had to be your own hero. Thank you for sharing your story. You do it in such a way that smashes stigma. You made me feel less alone today ❤️

[@lorijanes-young6253]

Thank you for your kind words! There are so many of us with similar experiences. ❤

[@kathymunsee6468]

I volunteered to be in the Nursery. My baby ended up in the hospital. I called the RSP to tell her l couldnt be there because l would be in the hospital with my baby & she would have to find someone to take my pl😂ace in the nursery. I was told that She got up in front of all the Releif Society & told them,"Kathy Nelson was supposed to be in the Nursery. She isn't here today. When you volunteer to be in the nursery dont put it off onto someone else. It really hurt me that she couldn't have enough compassion to even mention that my baby was in the hospital 😢

[@conniemendenhall8413]

Amen, Amen, Amen! I have had more peace in my life since leaving the church than ever before! Once I realized it’s MY life and I have choices, it’s been AMAZING!! Thank you for sharing your experiences.

[@evelyneca7454]

Such a wonderful interview. As someone who is a nevermormon but deals with anxiety and pressure from family and society on how to be, I relate so much to the feelings she described here.

[@PatriciaTennery]

Margie is one fantastic woman. I’m 79 yo and a retired Psychologist. I know how fantastic she is and am so pleased God put you two together. I already loved you, John, but Margie is a jewel. Love ❤❤❤

[@sunnymeadow575]

Newer viewer here, are they both psychologists? They ask really thought provoking questions and seem really relatable.

[@heatherstewart4084]

Before I left the church, I was having so much anxiety. I called it “my Mormon induced anxiety “. My husband and 4 children had stopped going with me due to not believing. I also taught a primary class, which I loved and it kept me in for a time. Eventually, I felt like I was lying to those sweet kiddos and couldn’t do it anymore. I started asking my 4 kids why they didn’t believe and what their experiences were. They helped lead me out. Since then, about 5 years ago, I have come to learn the true history of the church. I am so much happier and have such open relationships with my kids. No more anxiety either. Leaving the church seems to be the cure. Thank you for this refreshing story!

[@HanksLifeVid9864]

That is what happened to me, I could not lie to those kids. Asked to be released just a week ago.

[@bargeiger50]

My “friends” from church dropped me (i was chuned) , it was so bad that even when I saw them in public they wouldn’t talk to me. You are right, your church friends aren’t your friends. They didn’t even care to know why I left the church

[@beardzgorski8397]

they were never ur friends... just bc you belonged to the same church dn make someone ur friend.. friendship word is used loosely .. and in theory... all over the world in every religion... choose ur FRIENDS wisely.. ppl u do activities with are ur colleagues, sisters, acquaintances etc.. ur FRIEND is different..

[@Vinginwa]

They especially don't want to know why you left the church. On some level every member realizes they are vulnerable to information that could cause a crack in their belief foundation. It doesn't mean they didn't love you, or that they don't miss you. But you are now kryptonite to them.

[@manderson4803]

​@@VinginwaThey know why we left. We wanted to sin 😂

[@victoriaoliver9958]

"The world is full of beautiful, wonderful people." Yes! I always thought I loved people as an evangelical. But it wasn't until I left that I could really celebrate the uniqueness and diversity without trying to "save" or change them.

[@omegablu6881]

Semi active male, married LDS here. Thanks for sharing your story. I have GAD, Bipolar and Depression. I’ve been suicidal and admitted to a hospital psychiatric ward for 3 days. Therapy wasn’t helpful for me. LDS therapist told me that I just needed to read my scriptures and pray and a non-LDS therapist told me I needed to find the “real Jesus.” Neither was helpful. What’s helped has been a a caring psychiatric provider and years of helpful medication. I go to church when I want and stay home when I feel like. I still can’t convince my Bishop that my anxiety disorder isn’t Satan! Oh, and I’m not afraid to say no at church as well. m

[@tinkeramma]

One of the struggles I have is how completely different things are from one bishop to the next. We both have GAD and stay home from church as needed. Your bishop thinks your anxiety is from Satan. Mine, upon learning my lack of calling was hurting me, made me the program coordinator who types of the Sacrament program and weekly announcements so I'm still connected and serving in a meaningful role whether I can attend or not. We both struggle. I am not magically more deserving of better treatment. I just have a better human serving as my bishop.

[@omegablu6881]

@@tinkeramma thanks for your comments. It’s nice to know that I’m not the only one. I actually like my bishop, but he can be a little odd at times. I’m sure he thinks the same thing about me! LOL! For example, he once asked me to buy some food for the Ward Picnic and he would pay me back. I asked him if I could get a discount on my tithing instead? I thought it was pretty funny, but he just didn’t know how to take that. I’m glad you got a calling that works for you. I have a very difficult time with callings. The last one I had was the Executive Secretary to the previous Bishop. Not sure why he needed me as he was former military officer and had every thing very organized. If was a good calling for me because, like you, I felt connected, yet didn’t have the anxiety of really having to do anything. I learned a lot about the inner workings of the Church in that calling. It was very interesting.

[@llamamama2910]

NO therapist should be bringing religion into things

[@omegablu6881]

@@llamamama2910 After that experience, I wholeheartedly agree. She initially offered “Christian based”counseling to me, which I thought would be harmless. I was wrong.

[@llamamama2910]

I hope you are doing better, and now that you are appreciated and needed and your contribution doesn’t have to be perfect. Day by day is great

[@heather2884]

Thanks for this episode! I love to hear women voices. Growing up in the church I “knew”the church had the path to happiness. If somebody was not happy, it’s because they were not trying hard enough or doing enough. I am now 40+, and I am finally getting help for depression I have had my entire life. Being in the church only made my depression worse because I was never enough. Thank you for helping normalize the mental issues and getting help!

[@lisapaskett8009]

Love seeing Lori on here! I had the privilege of working with her years ago and I too was the working mom where my husband stayed home. Her great example helped me to see that it was ok and actually a good thing. Glad to see she is doing so well.

[@lorijanes-young6253]

Thank you so much for commenting! I hope you and your family are doing well! ❤

[@juliejenkins3572]

I was married at 18 and was not a Mormon.

[@juliejenkins3572]

You didn't belong in the temple. How dare you .

[@dionclark6581]

West Jordan Mom of x4 who can relate to the panic attacks & hospital stay, and left LDS forever.😅

[@lorijanes-young6253]

Sending love and healing! ❤

[@oldstuffbethtx8052]

What a delightful, inspiring story. I've never been in a high control group, but I'm continuing a journey in women's value & my own worth, even at age 63.

[@John-uq7uu]

I love the Baha'i faith❤❤ who's Prophet tells us independently investigate the truth.. can't join until you're 18 years old... men and women are equal...❤ the Baha'i faith who's Prophet tells us,, your religious leaders have betrayed you and there's a special place in hell for them

[@carolinegangotena475]

I am a regular listener of Mormon Stories but first time commenting…. This is my favourite podcast so far. What an inspiring woman- her story telling is so beautiful, so many incredible points made. And the way she ended it talking about finding joy in simply getting to experience life- something that the rest of us take for granted most Sundays. I’m in awe!

[@lorijanes-young6253]

Thank you for your beautiful comment. I'm so glad my interview resonated with you.💜

[@theodorapriska9860]

I am a secular Jew. My great childhood friends were a family of Mormons. My mother… a great reader told me the story of Joseph Smith..the story that bigomy began because Joseph Smith wanted to ensure that the wives whose husbands died along the trail were cared for. I can remember going to Susquehanna Pa to see and tidy up the grave of Joseph Smith’s son. It was all a lovely fairytale. They had one daughter who questioned the church. She ended up committing suicide. It was a fully angry gesture aimed at her family…but they believed it was a mistaken hit and run. What a wasted choice. The thing that struck me was how these quite brilliant people put steel traps around their thinking.

[@theodorapriska9860]

Help us understand John, for how many years were able to swallow this stuff lock, stock and barrel. You were devastated when you were excommunicated… can you say what that was about.

[@shirleyelderkin6919]

I used to have anxiety attacks and would go to the ER quite a few times as she did and they said no it wasn’t a heart attack it’s a panic or anxiety attack. For quite a few years I would have the same dream or better yet a nightmare and it was never even thought of during waking hours. I would wake up in a sweat and in a total panic feeling that I had done “something” unknown but Because of it I had let everyone down. It was very real to me. I now realize what it all meant. The church has really done a lot of damage to me and too many other women. I watch these videos and almost have an attack because I get so angry and feel so betrayed, mislead and basically lied to my whole life until age 45. Watching and listening to these are helping because it’s bringing things to the surface and I’m realizing that the church damaged me in so many ways and things I didn’t even realize. I was so ignorant to the world outside the church and how it worked. At least now so understood why I was the way I was. My self esteem is still recovering and it’s a long process for me. I know that I’m a good person and live a good life so if God doesn’t accept me for who I am now when I’m truly me then that’s on him. Is he even real I have no idea. I don’t even think about it really. We’re made to feel so much less than the men and it takes a toll on you over time. This is all so damaging and so very wrong that they do this to us as women. Sorry to be all over the place but I keep thinking of things relating to this topic. I felt so trapped how would I possibly leave, God would no longer love me, what would happen to my family? All of my friends were Mormon and would probably not want to associate with me anymore, and that fear was fulfilled all but a couple of friends. So I’d lose everything I’d known my whole life. But I wasn’t happy and This went on for years until that day of teaching RS. That was my time of realization that I didn’t not want to any longer be a part of the church. What a relief, a huge weight lifted. I have kept 2 friends in my city who I still am friends with but the rest are gone. All activities and social events gone. So I had to start over, it’s been hard but so happy to be free. I’m starting to feel peace in my life.

[@lorijanes-young6253]

Welcome to the other side! Sending love and healing.💜

[@shirleyelderkin6919]

@@lorijanes-young6253 It’s a journey in itself right? The best to you too. How long has it been for you? Been since 2010 for me.

[@lorijanes-young6253]

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[@bonniebrown5557]

Never been LDS here, just want to say thank you Lori gor for sharing her story. And the care she gives to all women.

[@dorothybatton9544]

Lori is such a bright light. Many thanks.

[@marissasimas9258]

Fantastic interview. On a side note, I wish Margi had been my mom. I would be a completely different person today. What a great lady ❤

[@rlhnomad1988]

I just got my name removed from the the church and when I interviewed with my bishop I was gaslight about the information i learned here alot and he threaten me with eternal repercussions for my decision. I was mislead from the start so my decision wasnt valid when I didn't have all the information. The good the bad and the ugly. Thanks for this

[@mindyssticktogether]

I did that in 2019. I will tell you, my mother’s soul rushed through my body while being in the mountains. I never went to the temple. Our loved ones are with us all the time. They never leave us. They just want us to wake up and know they are here.

[@SnailWhales]

Why did you allow an interview with your bishop if you were leaving? You didn’t need to. I’m sorry he was horrible!

[@Ryka1100]

Guys hands down best episode, but most triggering for me, Lori, thank you so much, your vulnerability in telling your story is beyond a gift to others like me that have experienced the Mormon upbringing. Just a different angle and from personal experience as a SA victim/survivor, I was re-traumatised over and over because of the deeply intrusive bishop interviews, going for my temple recommend, calling interviews. To be stuck in a room alone with a man was terrifying, and the questions are beyond inappropriate. I’ll be medicated for the rest of my life help with the day to day unfortunately. It was a soul destroying experience. And like you Lori, getting my endowments was the beginning of the end for me, if my mother didn’t take me and my children in when I decided to leave, I wouldn’t have survived it, everyone else turned on me. It was brutal, but to stay would have had cost me my life, the mental load was too much. Once again guys, thank you, thank you, thank you. You are helping to undo life long brainwashing and in such an understanding, empathetic and loving manner. I call my self a bottom heaven hanger as a petty insult to the church, I’ll be there with my wine and cheese having a great time, it never quiet gets the laugh I’m after from my LDS members.

[@lorijanes-young6253]

I am so happy my interview resonated with you. Here's to joy and healing!💙

[@annieedwards1352]

“…church friends are not real friends…” no truer words. When I left the church, my ex-husband was the acting bishop. Wild, that all the people who called me “sister” turned their back on me. The new bishop was given direction to prevent me and my 3 daughters to receive food; the new bishop complied. Such a dark time. Happy I walked away ❤thank you

[@lorijanes-young6253]

I’m happy you did too! ❤

[@John-uq7uu]

God bless you for having the courage to walk away from this obvious cult.... I love the Baha'i faith where you cannot join the faith until you are 18 years old and can think for yourself. The Baha'i prophets stated that your religious leaders have betrayed you and there's a special place in hell for them so true.. we are to independently investigate the truth without prejudice and with an open mind and heart..❤❤❤ the Baha'i faith..

[@helimonni]

Never mormon here and can't comprehend what Lori and many others of you have gone through, but I am struggling with depression and anxiety atm, so it's so so so good to see and hear the joy in Lori!! It tells me I too can get through this and be joyful once again. ❤

[@lorijanes-young6253]

I'm sorry you're dealing with anxiety and depression. I see you. Sending you healing and joy!💜

[@avantgauche]

This really is a beautiful episode I was in hospital last year it saved my life and I met some of the best people in their both staff and patients

[@psilocybebae7106]

Ive been an emxo for a while now..but i just recently found your podcast this year. I cant begin to tell you how many old wounds have been healed from hearing these stories and knowing my experience wasnt all that unique. Part of the church makes this pretty picture and you believe you are alone in your thoughts and doubts but this has just made my heart fill with peace and acceptance and truly for the first time i dont feel alone in my experience and i just want to thank you for this ❤

[@kmpage333]

Thank you for sharing. I am a never Mormon. I find these stories help me through my transitions. Such an uplifting story.

[@montanagirl3835]

Just a reminder given the comments about disability & employment here that physically disabled people also work - my husband is a quadriplegic and has a Ph.D. and is a college professor, all of which he got after his injury. :)

[@beardzgorski8397]

absolutely...!!!

[@tinkeramma]

My father was a quadriplegic the last 17 years of his life. He got his bachelor's and master's degrees in Psychology as a quadriplegic then went to work for the Department of Rehabilitation in California as a counselor.

[@SatansRoerhat]

It's a lot of fun to see them laugh together at the absurdities of life. I love Marge's reactions and the shared anger is liberating. When I finally told my truth, my panic attacks almost immediately went from daily to every other month and became much less violent. I never would have dreamed it would change my life so significantly and how much hope and joy there is to be found in saying "No more!" and stepping into my authenticity.

[@beckyburnett8641]

Oh I am looking forward to this interview. We need to hear more from women in 'leadership' roles who have left.

[@kelseyj4018]

I connected with Lori so much, the panic attacks and finding your purpose again, thank you Lori for sharing your story ❤️❤️❤️

[@mostlyexhausted]

Such an amazing episode. I experienced many of the same situations along with the panic attacks. I was amazed at the amount of peace and happiness I experienced only days after leaving the church. It was like the weight of the world was lifted off of me.

[@JuliaWood4772]

This is a great episode! I love that she found yoga. I had anxiety and depression for years and yoga saved me. I left the church in 2022 and am still trying to adjust and find my place amongst family and friends that are still all in. My teenage daughter has really struggled as she hasn’t had anyone her age to talk with about all these changes in our lives. All of her friends are still active and she feels lost. She has become an atheist. Are there meet up groups for teens? Thanks for a great episode!

[@ChantalThurber-mz5hx]

Wonderful episode, and I’m so proud of you for recognizing you needed help and acting on it. So much of this resonated with me, becoming Relief society president in my mid 40s put more cracks in my shelf than anything else!

[@lorijanes-young6253]

Thank you so much!💜

[@cdmurphy949]

Anybody seeking help from Dr. Jon would be fortunate to have him on their side. He's obviously deeply empathetic and has such an incredible personality.❤

[@clarejohnson6366]

She really tells her story so well, she keeps you engaged. Amazing story!

[@lorijanes-young6253]

Thank you so much!💜

[@cesars842]

Thanks!

[@nanamona6386]

Thank you for Saying, “ A lot of our viewers are not Mormon.” The small things being said, helps to understand so much more. Thank You Lori. 🤗

[@AT_ID]

Im only a few minutes in and I can already tell this is gonna be a great interview. Love the long form interviews and can’t wait for the Relief Society panel.

[@auntieroronz]

Thank you so much Lori for sharing your story, it has given me the drive to keep working on my healing and searching for my purpose and joy. and thank you for Mormon stories as it has been helping my healing. I am a non Mormon but grew up within a toxic family.

[@lorijanes-young6253]

Thank you! 💜 Sending love and healing to you!

[@HaveaBiscuitt]

Oh I ADORE her!! Thank you Lori for sharing your story, this was eye opening in many ways and so incredibly validating. Thank you for your courage and eloquence 💜 John and Margie, thank you for giving her a platform to share!

[@lorijanes-young6253]

Thank you so much! ❤

[@larissawright3427]

This is hands down one of my favorite episodes!! I love her and am cheering her on from afar! This really sums up life for women in the church beautifully!

[@hopejeffcoat1819]

Thank you for addressing the questioning that constantly happens when something bad happens and you think "is this God punishing us?" Or "is this because I left the church?" I'm a never mormon but as a cradle Catholic, your story could be mine. I'm in the midst of it now but hearing stories like yours is so validating. Thank you for sharing your story, Lori.

[@radicalkelly59]

In 1978, I told my bishop I was depressed and wanted to go to counseling. His response: "If you were obeying the commandments, you would have no need for therapy." My dad died by suicide a year prior.

[@DarkFire1536]

I am so sorry to hear about your father. I remember when I began to struggle with mental health, and then physical health, my mom kept telling me to just have faith, pray and read the scriptures, and I would be healed. It is very irresponsible for church leadership to give counsel on mental health issues. I hope you are able to get some help and relief from your depression.

[@townsendv58]

I am so sorry to hear this.

[@treenamorgan2469]

I am so sorry that’s horrid and happens too much!!!

[@YallAintRight]

I’m so sorry you had to deal with that effing idiot.

[@valentinat3250]

I am terribly sorry that that happened to you .

[@sandiekaye5241]

Really thoughtful, life embracing story. I am very glad I was present to hear Lori. It was also such an important cautionary tale. Life is so precious and so short. Don't let someone else run your life. Find your joy.

[@elliek5350]

Made me frustrated again with the healthcare system - high cost, little or no help for years. And being correctly diagnosed sounds like being lucky. So glad Lori finally received help.The "system" is extremely frustrating.

[@janetlyn6697]

I have experienced every one of these! I'll never forget the day one of our "less active" young women came to church in pants and the young women's president told her she wasn't welcome unless she changed into a dress.

[@a.walters123]

Unbelievable, you finally get someone to come to church, and because they aren’t wearing the “right” article of clothing, you send them home. Wow. You’d think compassion and comfort would be more important than a dress to a so called church of Jesus Christ.

[@susanwilliams70]

Crazy...poor girl likely never returned!

[@susanelizabeth2222]

I am 79 years old. I haven't owned a dress for 30 years. I was invited to a Mormon service to hear a friend of my granddaughter give a testimony. We liked her and wanted to support her. I wore dressy slacks and a blazer. NOW I understand all the "looks" I got.

[@shirleybleazard8049]

They should be welcomed regardless of what they are wearing. The church made an announcement over 6 years ago as it is a problem with a worldwide church. In Utah we wore dress pants the year it was announced it was winter and very cold. I have not heard anything about it since. I do not believe it would be a problem, especially during the winter.

[@terryholman8036]

I think it depends on where you were raised, growing up we had a few families with several daughters who both the mom and daughters 90% of the time came to sacrament meetings in pants. I don't remember anyone ever saying anything about it and pretty sure one or more of the dads were in the bishopric at one point. I never owned knee length shorts and wore the same shorter shorts to girls camp - don't remember ever being called out on my clothes. That was in the 70s & 80s. Although I've moved around over the years, and at times, depending on who is in leadership - sometimes it might be mentioned, but again I think it depends on where or how the person bringing it up was raised. We still have men that come to church in jeans and women in pants. No one mentions it.

[@K_Wass]

Incredible interview. Thank you for telling your story, Lori. The impact of your story will ease the suffering of so so many people. I can only speak for myself, but I got so much out of this episode and it’s inspired me to seek more peace and joy in my life.

[@lorijanes-young6253]

Thank you so much! Here's to seeking joy!💗

[@barbaraketchum8287]

Thank you so much for sharing your story... it gave me a major "aha" moment when you talked about finding purpose after religion. I have always been an encourager, believing good things for other people... but rarely applying those same beliefs to myself. But when you said that the prior purpose was to make others comfortable and serve them, it made me see that I had not yet stepped out of the mindset. Thank you for the insight and for helping my healing journey as well. Namaste!

[@lorijanes-young6253]

Thank you! 💜

[@amawordie8633]

Thanks!

[@myflowertherapy]

I've watched this interview 4 times now. Lori's story really hits home for me as a woman in the church.

[@saralyg]

She’s such a strong, beautiful, passionate, and joyful woman! Amazing interview!

[@lorijanes-young6253]

Thank you for your kind words! ❤

[@lavidadida]

This is a lovely very intelligent woman. I feel less lonely listening to her.

[@juliehatch9861]

The world is definitely filled with amazing, wonderful people!!❤❤❤. Touching, amazing message, conversation. Perfectly said

[@donnalizer7211]

leaving the mormon church realy helped me love my children. realizing that they don't need to be like me. understanding the importance of living them nomatter what. they have grown up to be great people I'm glad that I decided to just love them.

[@victoriaoliver9958]

I totally relate to this! ❤

[@lorijanes-young6253]

I can relate to this as well!💓

[@paulmartinezsd]

Great episode. I absolutely experienced the "going crazy" experience towards the end of my membership. The Mormon church is an extremely confusing and demanding church with mixed messages galore. It was a ramp up for me, and after some ten years of trying to make it all work, I had to take a break--I just had to. My stepping away was the beginning of much needed healing. I'm so glad I'm out.

[@bodytrainer1crane730]

Excited to hear from the Relief Society!

[@CHEVYedsf]

What a powerful episode. Thank you so much!!!

[@larisastewart2715]

My favorite episode! Thank you. Former ward YW President, Temple sealed, and now exmo. Our stories have many parallels. Thanks for being on Mormon stories, Lori!

[@lorijanes-young6253]

Thank you so much!💜

[@barbowens8626]

That time FLEW by! What a gifted speaker! Thank you.✌️❤️

[@wishflowerhill5068]

I needed to hear all of this! Thank you so much for sharing your story. I love the purpose you discovered for yourself after leaving: improve the lives of others and experience joy. ❤

[@lorijanes-young6253]

Thank you for listening! Sending love and joy your way! ❤

[@cactusbuds2979]

I can't imagine going inpatient when you're in the church, you have so much strength.

[@kathymitchell6689]

This is delightful- I resonate so much with her journey. OMG the end stage panic attacks! Been there done that.

[@katiepitcher5231]

This was one of my favorite episodes yet! She’s so well-spoken and I loved hearing about her mental health journey.

[@fullamhoneyfiber]

If you attend a BYU school they quite frequently will encourage a women to go into “home making or education” majors vs if you go to seek out being a doctor or any IT or anything not in the traditional Mormon mom mindset. I tried numerous times to get answers and guidance for my majors and was always “encouraged” to apply for other classes or degrees to better support my future family.

[@janangel3708]

I have generalized anxiety and panic disorder too. Very challenging. Many years ago, I was also in a Stake Relief Society Presidency. I left the Church over 20 years ago.

[@julieprince5538]

What a Beautiful Human Being ❤ Thank you for sharing your journey and experience Lori! We are so blessed to have this wonderful platform MS to facilitate these conversations ⭐️ Thank you All and much Love to All 💜☮️

[@lorijanes-young6253]

Thank you so much for your kind comment!

[@bonitat0530]

Gotta be a top 3 episode for me! Beautiful story and story teller ❤

[@lorijanes-young6253]

Thank you so much! ❤

[@John-uq7uu]

I love the Baha'i faith.. you can't become a Baha'i until you're 18.. I❤❤❤ the Baha'i faith where men and women are considered equal.. like wings of one bird We Believe all of the Major Prophets are from the same God.. and Joseph Smith it's not considered a real prophet.. we also called for an independent investigation of the truth and we are told that we have the gift of discernment to know the truth when we hear it... this Mormon faith has always seemed like a cult to me.. I can't believe more people don't see this... the Baha'i Prophet says that you're religious leaders have betrayed you and there's a special place in hell for them... that rang true to me along with so much more that the Baha'i prophet wrote down in 1850.... the same time Joseph Smith what's creating this cult.. may God bless you and guide you in your search for the truth

[@terafief7466]

I am commenting on the mental health aspect as I am a nevermormom. I too was at a very critical point in my life when I woke up one day and told my husband I just couldn’t do it anymore. I was admitted to a psych hospital for 8 days. As scary as this was not having ANY idea what to expect because my thoughts were just like this woman’s were. I encourage anyone who feels like we did to get admitted because it’s life changing. The therapy is intense but it truly life changing. Mental health is not something to be ashamed of. You can and deserve to get help. I admire anyone who chooses to speak their truth about mental health because it helps others to have hope.

[@lorijanes-young6253]

Thank you so much for sharing your story. I'm so happy you sought the help you needed. Sending love and healing. 💜

[@michellecarlson6427]

I LOVED this episode! Thank you Mormon Stories & Lori! I too grew up in an LDS family (huge extended family) in Logan and graduated from USU. Go Aggies! I was also a patient of Susan Greenhalgh! She was the best. My husband & I both saw her and loved her. Specifics I loved about your stori Lori are your empathy for international womens' issues. Living authentically even if it disappoints your family. Lori, your level of detail & humility in your story is amazing. Thank you for your vulnerability and being a champion of accepting mental health help & advocating that it is healthy to take care of your emotional health. Margi, you are amazing. So insightful and wonderfully empathetic. Maven & the 988 suicide hotline. And the biggest takeaway- live your life for YOURSELF! You can't make others happy.

[@amyanderson6904]

So many fabulous moments in this interview!! John was in rare form and Lori was delightful. Margi kept it all going. I loved this!!!

[@mormonstories]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@gaiaheart1]

Sending thankful hugs from Australia! Such a beautiful heartwarming validating conversation. I experienced seven weeks in a psychiatric hospital due to trauma of my childhood experiences in Mormonism. Took seventeen years to feel and accept me. I feel pure bliss and joy in life now, I love my weekly yoga class, I research ancient wisdom teachings which for me gives me immense joy and wonderment. Bless you Lori for your conversation with Margi and John ... thank you for being you, so happy you have found 'you'.

[@rebuildingmylife400]

This could EASILY have been my interview. Well done, well said, and good for you that you got the help that you need and are healing. The women have sat in silence for far too long in this church. And it is ruining our health both mentally and physically.