Top Pet Peeves, Hates & Industry Controversy: Watch Collection Talk #6

[@megamindfrommetrocity4089]

One of my pet peeves is when people don’t take “affordable” watches seriously or think that your lesser of a watch collector just because you buys stuff in your price range

[@vishalmyneni452]

As and Indian who dosent have as much purchasing power as an American or a European (Moreover I am a college student). I can really relate to this

[@eastcoastwatchconnection7949]

How dare us not live beyond our means 🧐

[@vallsz]

thats so true; real enthusiast collect watches they loves and the price doesn't matter, there is so much good watches in the low price range but i guess this mindset come from the polluted market, i mean you cannot really go wrong with a 10k watch, but you can have a piece of junk or a really good one for 200-500

[@spliffnotes8359]

Absolutely. I don't know where they get the arrogance. Every real watch lover respects great watches that THEY like at any price point. Hell, even Producer Michael who has the most extravagant taste on KZbin had a recent video wearing a cheap watch he found at like a gas station because he thought it looked cool. Let people collect what THEY like/can afford /appreciate.

[@Shooterpirat]

Good point and I mostly agree. Collecting watches and owning a luxury product are two different things though. They often times meet, when we are represented with watch content here on youtube. There are so many good watches in the "lower" price range (even Quarz ones, I dare to say). Having an luxury item means to have something that is expensive and hard to get (and useless too). So when you want a luxury time piece, a couple hundred are not gonna cut it. I think that most people dont realise that there is a subtle difference between watch collecting and a luxury watch / luxury watch collecting.

[@hawkeye454]

Two of my favorite KZbin people! I'm always thankful for how humble and non-sobbish you are. Thanks for sharing with us!

[@jrfloresbyu]

Here here ! Two of the best hands down

[@smithgregorya]

I am sometimes disturbed by attitudes in this hobby, and then you two come along and everything is alright again. Love your discussions.

[@jamiechambers9661]

Who is the worst watch KZbinr and who is the best when it comes to this I'm curious but yes they are the best

[@smithgregorya]

@@jamiechambers9661 I probably should have used the word “confused” rather than disturbed. Far too many homage comparisons and the whole “paid promotion” thing. TGV and Marc cut through that for me.

[@Libertà_sopra_vita]

Im a blue collar guy, marc. My tool watches take a a** whipping. Climbing in and out of a 300 ton crane and other heavy equipment daily is rough on watches. All my sapphire or sapphire converted pieces have held up just fine. Hardlex on the other hand dont hold up long in my environment. Great video fellas, keep it up!!

[@appalachiangunman9589]

Anything less than sapphire will scratch within a short time. Mineral crystals will scratch after wearing them to church a few times.

[@williammiao8862]

I put round screen protector on my cheap seiko 5 watches. It works remarkably well, just swap a new one once the protectors got all scratched up and it’ll look as good as new.

[@yoinkhaha]

just scratched up my SNK805. i know it's a cheap everyday watch, but it is a bit annoying. Sapphire seems very worth it if you can shell out for it.

[@drgjs]

The inside of my gauntlet (motorcycle) gloves scratch the heck out of hardlex, I assure you. I think it’s the Kevlar.

[@Libertà_sopra_vita]

@@drgjs ive had that happen too. I stopped wearing anything mechanical when i ride. ive herd too many stories of handlebar vibration destroying calibration. Never had it happen to me but figured i wouldn't chance it.

[@30kHunter76]

Commenting on this video almost two years after the original upload. I love this series and the dialogue between the two of you. This is one of my favorite things to listen to. Thank you guys so much for great content and the sharing of knowledge about watches.

[@ambroseathello]

You guys should start a podcast, "the urban long island gentry"

[@nicholasheggerud5750]

The island gentry

[@emreisiklar]

It is a podcast with faces:)

[@Svenskadoktorn]

God yes!

[@barrettwbenton]

TULIG: I sorta like it.

[@ambroseathello]

If this podcast idea takes off i want a royalty😂😂

[@JuniorExecutive1987]

I follow The Urban Gentry through my car stereo to/from work and especially with these (erm) monthly videos, it would be perfect as a podcast and save a ton of battery life.

[@davidburch5643]

so i had a 1963 seagull from marc @ li watches. it arrived fast. i was excited. the chrono worked...and then it didn't. i emailed marc, told him in detail what happened, and he sent me a new watch with a prepaid usps label to send the defective one back. he didn't ask for the defective one first to make sure i wasn't lying! new watch arrived, worked great, sent the old one back...no problems, no questions, no worry. buy from long island watches. just do it. could i have kept both? sure! and he knew that. but he deals with his customers honestly, and i say pay the price and buy from him. i know that i ALWAYS will going forward.

[@RevLev06]

"Angels dancing on the head of a pin" is a critique of medieval philosophers. It is a valid reference used in a critique. A great video with you and Mark. Keep it up!

[@theurbangentry]

Thank you Robert, I have a feeling I am going to fall down a rabbit hole, but a very enjoyable one I am sure. I love learning new things, it makes it all worth it. Have a happy holidays. Best regards, TGV

[@fredericksmith7332]

@@theurbangentry Frequently quoted to show an example of silly debate points. It actually was a serious point of debate.. If angels do not have mass, the answer is an infinite number.

[@oklahomahank2378]

It is “how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?” It’s a logic problem, not a math problem. It has been used as an unfair criticism of medieval scholastic philosophers on the assumption that they were actually trying to compute it.

[@willardhooton920]

My #1 pet peeve has to be watch strap keepers that constantly slide out of place!

[@appalachiangunman9589]

It happens on my G-Shock all the time. But I use it as a work watch. The best one I’ve ever had for that is probably the Timex Ironman.

[@glenbuyer8738]

My old samurai was the worst for that! Hate it. Wearing a seamaster on the rubber strap now never moves, very happy

[@tristandauod]

Agreed

[@jpdemer5]

One tiny drop of superglue fixed it on my straps.

[@frankschroth4038]

Here are my pet peeves: 1. Sharp edged crowns that dig into my wrist and rip my skin!! 2. Particles of dust on the dial or movement 3. Sending a watch in for a minor repair, like changing the scratched cristal and getting back a list of supposedly issues that have to be repaired! 4. Having bought a watch for over two grand and having it running slow !!! 5. Seiko raising the prices again!! 6 . watches I really like but can't afford! ;) Oh, and you two should really do a video on Seiko's pricing and explain what really goes on!!! Frank S.

[@themightysquid]

So true! The sharp crown was the reason I sold my mini-turtle. Also, the metal strap keeper kept slipping of the rubber strap. Large sharp crown was the reason I sold my Hamilton 38mm khaki field watch and went with the khaki king instead.

[@nkonig1]

My pet peeve would be straps included with the watch. Why has it become acceptable to have a strap that needs replacing as it’s such poor quality. We’ve become so easily accustomed to immediately buying a strap to replace the shoddy one you get with the watch. This applies to pretty much any

[@hobbyoftheday4017]

Totally agree, the bracelet was the only reason I didn't pull the trigger on a tissot sea star

[@Ray.J]

Regarding women wearing "men's watches", there is the example of detective Kate Beckett on the ABC television series 'Castle', who wears an Omega Speedmaster Moonwatch Professional 42mm. The watch belonged to her father and holds nostalgic value to her. It looks marvelous on her wrist!

[@iandann6196]

My grandmother used to wear my grandfathers watch because she got to the age she could not read her “ladies” watch anymore as she got into her 80s

[@RoryMacdonald-pfff]

Marc : who are these people scratching hardlex crystals? Marc : I just scratched my 1 week old titanium bracelet

[@jessica9693]

Thank you for bringing up the whole women's watches thing!! As a women, who's a watch enthusiast, it is SO annoying not to actually have options. If they designed better women's watches, I'm sure more women would be into this hobby!!

[@calicobasin]

Y’all crack me up! Two fine fellows having fun, don’t stop being real. Thanks

[@ordinator2008]

I love this series! TGV started my watch obsession, Marc sold me my favorite pieces (Ray, Bambino, 'flighty', & my treasured 60 Atmos), Happy New Year Gents!

[@jaysterling26]

TGV sold me the SKX013, & I bought it from Marc ( I'm in U.K. - I just didn't trust the Ebay sellers -(my problem?)).

[@herebarian]

Hacking is also for people like me who obssessively want to see the second hand hit the 12 hour mark and the minute hand perfectly aligned to its respective index at the same time, every time. It's more about how the watch looks rather than its accuracy.

[@simoncrooke1644]

That can be done with a non-hackable watch. Just align the minute hand to the appropriate index as the second hand gets to the 60 sec index. They should stay aligned.

[@jacobbeaupre3940]

Yesssss, always love the long format vids, TGV. Gonna enjoy this one as much as the others I'm sure. Best wishes for your holiday and family😁

[@theurbangentry]

Thank you Jacob, so glad to hear, I love doing these. Much more to come in 2021 you will be glad to know. Have a wonderful happy holidays too. Best regards, TGV

[@benthomas7966]

My pet peeves that didn't get touched on, is when buying a watch online, and the date appears to be very legible in the ad, but when it arrives and I put it on I can barely see the date. For example my Citizen eco drive Chrono model H500-S117496. Even in good light I struggle to read the date.

[@barrettwbenton]

I always felt Citizen's date-windows weren't terribly legible, particularly on the Eco-Drive models: the date wheel is too far recessed to been seen unless you're looking at it dead-on.

[@CptnWinkee]

I feel like the “Long Island Gentry” could be a Sopranos spin off

[@luigisavoia2401]

Talking about the water resistance of dive watches, i have one watch that's rated to 1000 meters. The only way I'd be at that depth would be if my feet were in cement buckets and I got thrown off a boat.

[@Nickos1b]

Clepsydra: literally "thief of water" in Greek. The word is used now for the common hourglass although sand instead of water was used centuries later. Back in the day clear glass was not available and the clepsydres were made of pottery. So one would examine the water remaining in the pot (some had figures of Gods appearing as markers) and as the water would drain away the device was named "thief of water".

[@Lamattack]

Amazing video as always! For me, my biggest two pet peeves of the watch hobby is: 1. Only liking x watch brand, type, or only liking watches above a certain price point - For instance, "Only Rolex makes the best watches", or "Anything under 5k is trash". 2. My bank account not being as fat as I'd like it to be so I can afford more watches. There may be a bit of projection in this comment but I can live with that. Regardless, amazing video and cheers from Canada!

[@ManOfEthnicity]

Some of us actually prefer the look of the Aluminum bezel insert.

[@johnbradshaw5900]

Great video! Journalistic standards have been in freefall for years in printed media and TV across the board. And it's not just the general media, in my own field very few of those writing in specialist journals have any understanding of subject material and instead just regurgitate what they're spoon-fed by corporations, advertizers, NGOs and others pushing agendas. I sometimes see articles in journals and can have a pretty good idea who actually wrote it from the syntax (and it wasn't the journalist). One of my pet watch hates is fake heritage stories and some of the lies which seem to be accepted at face value.

[@hobbyoftheday4017]

My pet peeves, I bought a seiko samurai divewatch. Loved it, took it in the pool once and it had water intrusion, yes the crown was screwed down. The warranty process sucked with Seiko. I have a casio duro (from Walmart) that has gone on numerous suba dives and free dives down to 108 feet deep....it's worked flawlessly.

[@chazfromtheburg]

Two all-class, honorable gentlemen! Love when you guys team up. Thanks TGV & Marc!

[@nato4287]

Great video, but I'm surprised you don't see the absolute utility of hacking function. I use mine every few days to stop my automatic for the amount of seconds gained(usually 15-20 secs) to keep my watch from running away minutes ahead over the course of time. It completely removes any need to adjust the minute hand.

[@kevinmiller7184]

You addressed my main pet peeves. I really like these collaborations, due to the diverse backgrounds, perspectives, market niches, etc. that you guys fill. Thanks.

[@TheStormcrow8]

This series is great to see, just frank discussion between two very knowledgeable and down-to-earth gentlemen, who clearly have a passion for the subject. Bravo, looking forward to more!

[@DannvanLing]

seen basically all mayor Watch channels on KZbin. but you two are the most passionate. pure joy to watch it!

[@weerobot]

Bezels that Don't line-up gets my OCD...lol

[@raulromero2948]

Completely agree

[@kkasavu3149]

"what the F is sapphire coated mineral glass"?? 🤣 Looking at you Dan Henry!!!

[@jarvas2681]

It's nice listening to two intelligent and reasonable human beings talk about a topic I love. In a crazy world with so much hype and spin your two channels are breaths of fresh air. You two literally hit on everything I would have wanted you to touch on. Well done gentleman. Much success for you both in a better year to come. Cheers!

[@BongoManal]

What a nice kind of civil chat that is, ranting without ranting. Thank you so much, a rare sight. Merry christmas to you and also to the community!

[@TheVikingsHERE]

Absolutely love these videos! Looking forward to 2021. Here’s to a year that’ll hopefully be kinder to all of us! Merry Christmas from Norway.

[@PhatkatCollections]

I had to come back and comment. I really enjoyed this pod cast like video. You two both seem like real down to earth dudes. I wish the rest of the watch community shared your mindsets. Great job and thank you!

[@paperback10]

On ill fitting bracelets issue... the bracelet on my seiko sarb035 cannot be adjusted to fit comfortably, not enough fine adjustment holes. Now its on leather but it looks better on the steel. Disappointing.

[@killerfitz84]

Love these chats with Marc. TGV turned me on to Long Island Watches and they really are fantastic to deal with. Real enthusiasts with a passion for all things horological and beyond. Keep up the great content!

[@tomvanzanten479]

I like the hacking feature on watches not for the accuracy per se, but because it more easily allows me to ensure that the hands line up with the markers perfectly when the second hand hits the 12.

[@GuyVanderAa]

The two best watch people on KZbin! Cheers! Merry Christmas to both 🎄

[@theurbangentry]

Thank you Guy, I am flattered and honored, I know Marc will be too. Have a wonderful Christmas too. Best regards, TGV

[@Omegagod7]

Hi my old friend; I’m glad to see you still doing videos and the passion you have is still burning. I hope you are in good health and staying safe this holiday. Also welcome to PA. :) best of luck mate.

[@essejrakavid9060]

I bought a SARB033 from Marc 4 years ago thanks to TGV. Great purchasing experience! I have recommended using you to my friends getting into watches.

[@ThomasWilliamsMusik]

Something to point out about so called "women's watches" is that I expect brands are under the impression that yes, any watches can be worn by anyone who likes them, but that the women who are interested in the watches they market normally are already able to buy them. The more 'girly' watches with the stones and the pink etc are specifically to capitalise on the market of women who aren't ALREADY buying their watches. It seems like a stereotype because it is only targeting a specific type of female customer - any women who want to buy a Daytona or Explorer are already being marketed to in the usual course of advertising. Not to mention that if catering to that stereotype didn't turn a profit, it wouldn't keep happening.

[@papusbueno6882]

I kind of love this type of conversation and have watched few of these vids with Marc from Long Island, I follow you both on yt and ig but this kind of segment (long actually) doesn't bore me at all... it's like a Batman and Robin, Ying Yang, Heart and Soul kind of thing when you talk about its history and Marc talks about its Engineering side. How I wish you could do a collaboration on making your own watches too, re writing history for the next generation on how a watch should be; like surviving this pandemic etc... And maybe you could invite and join-in one more from the perspective of a real buyer who is about to buy his or her first watch or as a gift, something like that.

[@markbyrum4743]

Re: one perfect watch: I had an Explorer 1016 purchased new in 1986 as my only watch for about 10 years. Then I divorced and remarried a lady into jewelry. Honeymooned in the Caribbean and came home with a mid-size Omega 300 (pre-Bond black dial). My perfect watch was no longer perfect because i then had a choice. From there it spiraled to a Breitling, Maurice -Lacroix, etc. The moral of the story: sometimes perfection is partially driven by choice. Good video. Keep at it!

[@davidwehmhoff5710]

I absolutely adore the dialogue you two have, I love the authenticity and the charisma. The passion behind the gripe of womens watch marketing and design is spot on. These videos help keep me sane.

[@ianbutler1983]

I understand Marc's points about hand alignment and sapphire and cost, but I was in Walmart last week and I looked at about 50 Casio analog watches. Every single one of them had perfect second hand alignment. My 5 Casios also have that perfect registration. I bought a couple of Chinese watches for about $50.00. Each one had Sapphire crystal. In the end, it is business, so they'll fix the issue when it becomes a problem that hurts sales and when people begin to stop buying watches without Sapphire. I enjoy these chats with you two.

[@ianhaydock5988]

Really enjoyed this guys, you are very complementary to each other! So nice to see no nonsense, no BS, no snobbery discussion.

[@WatchWiseUS]

It was called the "Speaking Clock" in the UK, and you called 123 from a landline. There was also a bedtime story line I used to call all the time too but I can't remember the number.

[@stepoue4695]

Hi TGV, I discovered youre chanel recently, i'm from Canada Québec (french), I love watching your chanel, your style full of respect, your authenticity, your way of thinking and your outlook on things. A little comment on the sapphire crystal, I admit that it is difficult to understand a watch at 300$ or 400$ CAD that does not offer it, when there are watches on the market for less than $ 100 CAD that offer it. Last month I bought the Pagani Design 1639 Submariner homage watch. Ok this is a China made watch but the specs are really amazing. Saphire glass Case back exibition 10atm 316l stainless steel seikoNH35 movement I really like the Blue sunburst dial After 3 weeks of use, it only lost 17 sec In short for 65$ USD it's my by far less expressive watch and I really love it 😊 I must say that I was struggling with the NTH Näcken - Vintage Black, but it missed the crown guard, and i really wanted a back exibition case for that watch. I practice sports and very physical activities and I have broken the glasses of other watches a few times, which is why now it is only sapphire. The only one I have that is not made of sapphire is my G-SHOK GSG-100-1A3 (MASTER OF G MUDMASTER) And I managed to scratch it, after 6 months 😅 Keep up the good work !! And happy new year 2021! Hoping that the situation will change.

[@VISATcomms]

We had a number in Australia to call for the time....1194. It was switched off last year and as a telephone tech I miss it, as it was great to test call metering. Loving these vids guys👌

[@leebalmforth2269]

Another great show TGV 👍. That time of the month 😆😆. Pet peeves over sized watches. Watch companies insisting their watches have date Windows. Poor quality straps.

[@paulfleming7246]

You two are a delight to watch! A, perhaps odd, pet peeve of mine (probably not helped by living in the Antipodes) was discovering that some watches (world timers I think they’re called) with cities around the world shown on the dial can be inaccurate. Without taking daylight saving into account London, UK & Auckland, NZ are 12 hours apart yet some of these show varying differences. I even went to the effort to approach Citizen directly about this but was completely flipped off by their pr staff

[@DarkoSayd]

Caro TGV, ho appena scoperto questo tuo format "colloquiale", per così dire, e lo apprezzo già tantissimo, un' ora è praticamente volata! Sicuramente la sintonia con Carl salta all'occhio, dovreste fare un podcast voi due. Quindi che dire? Mi spiace di poter mettere un solo "like" e..."Keep It Coming!" :) Saluti calorosi e tanti auguri per un 2021 ricco di soddisfazioni, Ciao!

[@gervers]

Sorry I’m so late to the comments but I just wanted to say that both you and Marc’s views are absolutely spot on! Especially about purchase price of watches and the viciousness of social media. I could listen to you both all day! Anyway I wish you a very merry Christmas and happy new year to you and your family

[@saleendriver]

My two major pet peeves with watches are both bracelet related. 1) Butterfly clasps. I can never get a good fit with a butterfly clasp.....and I have tried. 2) Pins and collars bracelets. I will literally walk away from watches because of this kind of bracelet. I am 1000% convinced the person who came up with this system utterly utterly hated humanity. I enjoy these collabs with Marc. You both are great guys who have taught me a lot and inspired my own channel. Please keep doing these. Onwards and upwards.

[@oOoScarecrow31oOo]

Thank you for this beautiful moment. Totally agree on almost every points. 👍 My way of working: - Almost no social media (No Ista, No Tweeter, only Faceb. cause I have to) - No trend through me. - I watch several watch channels to have multiple points of view (well in the end TGV and Marc are always right 😉) - I try not to have too many watches (each one is very different each one has a purpose) and - I just can't stand cyclope bubbles and mercedes or flake hands (I can't it's physical). Period. Hope to see you soon. I mean: " I'll catch you in the next one. " 😎

[@tcuker6819]

Submariner snobbery?!? One of the reasons I sold my Sub was because I got tired of the statement and question; "oh, a Rolex. Is it real?!" If it doesn't exist, there is certainly the potential for Sub snobbery. Interesting that I almost never hear that with my DateJust, which is a watch I dearly love! Plus, even with a 7 ½ inch wrist, I think it looks good. I really don't care if others like the size or appearance. It makes me feel good when I wear it, just like the $200 Bertuccis and $300 Islanders I have.

[@bjlochow7136]

I could listen to you two talk for hours! One of my biggest pet peeves is Arabic numerals partially cut out to accommodate a complication.

[@Solrac924]

hello. so i have recently fallen in love with watches again & have discovered your channel & have found it informative. what i don't understand is the overemphasis on diver watches. i think they're ugly. i've come to love the company brand story of Seiko. i've come to love their Spring Drive & 6R24 movement. and while i often see you praise the SARB033, i never see (much better in every way) SARD011 reviewed. it's got: • an Urushi black vitreous lacquered dial • a sapphire crystal with an anti-reflective coating • hacking and hand-winding • Spron 500 (anti-magnetic) • Power Reserve Indicator • water resistance for up to 100m • a crocodile strap • Diashock while it seems to check off everything, why hasn't this been reviewed?

[@mattys1467]

Always thoroughly enjoy the interaction and banter between the two greatest watch community guys. Thanks TGV and Mark

[@OceanicOsprey]

You guys don't need a topic or aim just talk watches and it all flows. Love it!

[@mountainmanwatchreviews8081]

Ive watched both your channels for years. Half a decade. Please keep these up all through 2021.

[@seranadesongs]

I've had mineral crystal watches for years, and no scratches. I'm just always very careful with my watches and how I store them after wearing them ...

[@willblake72]

Truth. I've got three SKXs and pay no mind to two of them and those crystals are all clean too. My 007 gets more wrist time than any other watch, around the house, gardening, whatever, I wear that watch a ton because it's just som comfortable.

[@Jonsson474]

I guess it depends on what you do really. If you’re a doing manual labour or if you spend your time behind a desk. If you like to climb mountains of if you collect stamps.

[@yoinkhaha]

For real, it really depends largely on how much physical activity you are doing with them. I have no scratches on the mineral or hardlex crystals from wearing them around the house, sure. But doing outdoor physical activity, it'll definitely happen.

[@ExpeditedProductions]

Excellent as always guys. Thanks for all of the hard work from both of you this year! Be well ....onwards and upwards, TGV! Keep up the top shelf work, Marc!

[@Rjstaa]

Can anyone tell me the name of the strap at 57:06 or where to get it? Thanks!

[@henkvandebeek7921]

Ah yes! This is like a Christmas present! So great to have content from you both. Love the banter as much as the informative conversation. Really hope that you keep working together and putting these up.

[@pacovl46]

Well, the new 41mm Submariner has a lug width of 21mm, so there will be a shit load of 21mm straps available soon!

[@wed265]

You guys are great I love listening to you guys talk about watches. Mark just helped me out for getting a link to an old Seiko Monster first generation. Thank you again mark. Ray t

[@scal2712]

Just started my Christmas leave with the delivery of my sqn's bespoke Tudor Pelogos, it's the most comfy watch I own and will definitely pick up a few scars in the new year. Loved you two chin-wagging about watches so please keep it going and I second the podcast idea. Merry Christmas from The Royal Corps of Signals 🎅🏽

[@chrisvinai9842]

I've had a skx013 for a couple years (thanks for the rec TGV) and have managed to scratch the hardlex a couple times, though hardly noticeable. The case and bezel have some scratches and dings as well. I work as a barista in a shop with raw steel countertops, along with a ton of other metal equipment, and expect to bang up any watch I wear to work. If the crystal takes enough damage, then I'll replace with sapphire, NBD. To me, it's part my watch's personal story, much like a journal or diary. It's a work watch, I'll beat it up, and I'll love it all the same!

[@dmv3373]

Great vid guys and yes legibility is the most crucial thing. i modded a watch to change out polished steel hands for white hands. which turned out great because now it looks amazing and is more legible. The best part is that this watch is already super rare and hard to find in good shape now with this killer mod it's a one of kinda piece :) used hands from a Seiko to put on an Orient hehe. My friend bought me a watch for my birthday and we had to exchange it for another because it was matt black hands on a matte black dial. the new one is more legible but what's funny is that the matt steel seconds hand is more legible than the polished hour and minute hand lol

[@markdrum2392]

If you're really into finding the "correct" time use your cellphone. The telecom providers >have< to use the exact time. It's actually a requirement of the FCC. It's also very important for their billing records.

[@adrianlovett3483]

There is huge snobbery around the submariner, it is so “homaged” that owners of the sub get snobby.

[@peterkull8354]

I know what you are talking about,I own a1985 Fat Lady GMT Rolex and in the past people asked:" Oh is this a homage Rolex ?" and answered "Sure it ist just a fake" simply ´because I feel that it makes no sense trying to convince somebody that my watch is not a fake but an original.

[@Glengooliebluu]

a pet peeve of mine is that your videos with mark arent in a playlist lol but in seriousness my biggest pet peeve is how many watch companies do not keep reliable archives of their vintage or older pieces, i have to go on a long dive through the internet for weeks at a time looking up the original advertisements or catalogues to track down any info on my watches and sometimes have to go by on forums that dont provide sources. You would think that a company could keep an archive and design specs etc of their watches but it all gets lost in the rabbit hole i suppose. a few companies have archives open but sometimes ill get lucky and somebody has a pdf manual of the watch, but for a few of my "rarer" pieces its all speculation on their background. favorite watch: 1970s Towncraft skin diver black dial, vinyl crystal and painted on numerals. I am yet to come across another photograph of it besides the original sellers photos and my own on reddit lol.

[@keys-bw9bc]

Thank you gentlemen for another great collaboration. I enjoyed this episode very much and thanks for keeping it real.

[@Jay_Thurston]

You two together are great! I know this is an older video but keep these up!

[@donald2818]

I was just going to say I have a Citizen AT Perpetual and it's bang on with the second hand. Little things (or big things?) matter.

[@captaintime267]

Best two gentleman to talk to about watches learned a lot about watches thank you for all you do!!!🎄🎄🎄🎄🗽🗽🗽🗽

[@rossfindlay7760]

Great video love the Blow up mention, it's a sixties classic that still stands up.

[@shonkeymoulder6972]

These monthly talks are always fun and informative. Love the meme-y edits, adds a bit of humor amidst the serious topics. Will be waiting for the next installment in the series, cheers Tristano and Marc. Have a grand holiday 🍻 🎄

[@bert4768]

When people who are outside of the hobby swear only Rolex second hands sweeps!?!?

[@Andrew.W75]

Ha yes a long time ago a guy I knew showed me his Rolex day date, he told me that Rolex was the only brand that had a sweeping seconds hand. At the time I wasn't into watches so didn't question it!

[@bert4768]

@@Andrew.W75 That really bugs me

[@TheSH1N1GAM1]

I’ve never heard that before. How do these people get that information, like who started this weird lie?

[@Beechhill]

In my childhood I heard/learned that you could tell a *fake* Rolex by its ticking second hand, ie it had a quartz movement. So maybe this led to "only Rolex's sweep"? Don't forget, that during the quartz crisis, mechanical movements in the greater public were considered obsolete and silly, except for luxury watches - which again in the greater public literally means Rolex.

[@ReggyRay289]

I like big watches because I have a big wrist, my wrist is 8 inches and most bracelets I have to buy extra extensions for to make fit, most NATO straps I'm at the last couple holes. I still only wear watches up to the mid 40s but I'd love for you to review or show more watches that are large. Also on the whole sapphire necessary thing, I work with my hands for a living and mineral crystals scratch too easy (especially if you with with any abrasives like aluminum oxide) so while someone that does office work may never see the necessity for it I do. I bought a crystal press and have replaced several of my beater watch crystals with sapphire and then they don't scratch anymore I'm planning on buying an Islander for my next daily beater ( don't take that offensively ) once it's back in stock. I think the brand offers so much value that I think I'll save money rather than having to replace parts or upgrade to keep a watch going

[@justinkovar201]

Good for you, and holding your ground! I personsonaly value your opinion, and respect your reviews. It's good to here you really care about the gentry!

[@jeremycorrao]

I have the same problem. I get lucky sometimes when I get a strap or bracelet and they happen to fit nice. Most of the time, especially with straps, one hole is too tight or one is too loose. It annoys me the strap companies like Colareb, place the holes SO far apart! Just how my wrist is I guess. Congrats on the Seiko Spring Drive Marc!! Cheers T!

[@qwertyuiopLT]

Hey guys! Great video, always fun to watch you guys interact. A comment regarding TGV's point about marketing to men and women. As a man, I don't get offended when Invicta or Casio advertise to me some of their absurd, over the top watches, because they are masculine. Why would women get upset after seeing a pink watch? Reasonable people probably just ignore these marketing tropes and go for a moderate choice that they like without making a fuss out of it. Otherwise, that's just going through life deliberately looking for things to be offended by. Same for "boyfriend watches". No-one is saying that women can't afford buying something like this, it's just that they mostly don't care. Let's be real - men are vastly more interested in this hobby. This is no secret, TGV even you discussed this in the past when answering questions like "how to get my significant other into watches". Therefore, seeing a girl with an interesting piece and making a "boyfriend watch" assumption may not always be accurate, but it's not something unreasonable to think, and again, nothing to be offended by. I wrote this with all due respect. Love your videos and wish you happy holidays!

[@raxxology]

The bracelets on the SARB033 and 035 are the only watches I've owned where I was unable to get the right fit. I'm not the only person either. I've seen multiple posts online that say the same thing. Thankfully, Uncle Seiko makes ones that fit great.

[@pacovl46]

In regards to the “desk diver” issue, the reason I buy mainly ISO certified dive watches is because they’re so much more robust than regular watches. They can really take a beating, I don’t have to worry about water resistance, and when I go diving like once every ten years I have the watch for it! Plus I love the look of dive watches! Also, everyone’s house is filled with shit that’s completely over engineered for their purposes. Why do you need a car that does 200 miles an hour when the speed limit is 88? Why do you need a car stereo that will blow your eardrums out when you never listen to music at that volume level, why do you need a stove that goes to 600 degrees when you never need that temperature? Why do you need 20 pairs of shoes, trousers, 50 t-shirts, 30 hoodies and 20 pair of socks! Why don’t you just move back into a cave because who “needs”apartments and houses anyway?! We’ve been living in caves for hundreds of thousands of years. And the list goes on and on and on! But how dare your watch is water resistant to 300 meters and has a helium escape valve when you’re not a saturation diver?! That’s where they draw the line! It drives me up the wall!

[@jaysterling26]

I think Citizen are on to a winner if they keep mark their ISO promasters for a reasonable price ( automatic & quartz). I didn't even bother looking elsewhere after seeing the price & the watch.

[@pacovl46]

@@jaysterling26 there’s definitely still some nice dive watches out there for a reasonable price. 🙂

[@ΠαῦλοςΠαυλίδης-χ7θ]

Do watches that aren't ISO certified have the word "divers" or "professional" on the dial?

[@pacovl46]

@@ΠαῦλοςΠαυλίδης-χ7θ normally no. That’s the point, if you want to put the word diver on your dial or the case the watch has to be ISO certified. I don’t know about word professional.

[@VzDkz]

Haven't even watched it yet and gave a thumbs up. Love these talks with Marc.

[@alexanderedlund950]

It's a pleasure listening to you two gents talking.

[@mwilson8374]

love these chats guys, more please.

[@gregoryburke6607]

Marc, TGV, thanks very the very informative content. Always helpful as I endeavor to learn more about watches. I value your integrity most of all. I’ve now bought two watches from Marc (Timex Marlin, Seiko Recraft) and have used both of your videos to make buying decisions. My sincere thanks. Keep it up please!

[@joseph_b319]

That is so awesome I was mentioned. I am now immortalized in Gentry and Island couture.

[@paulkleinkramer5065]

Marc is right! Having worn out 2 Seiko SKXs and a Monster over 20 years, I was unprepared for OCD to kick in big-time when my wife and daughters chipped in and gave me a very handsome Citizen Promaster Diver BN0151-09L for my birthday. While extremely happy with the looks, design, fit, finish, comfort and quality of the watch (once I got it off the fairly hideous strap onto a bracelet), I was unprepared for the distress that overcame me because the second hand landed between the marks of the minute track on the quartz tick of each and every second! Ahhh! it was simply killing me. As the first few weeks past, my tick obsession reaction only got worse making me wince every time I glanced at the watch on my wrist. That's the bad news... The good news is that I was driven by the OCD anguish to purchase a case back removal tool, a pair of fine tweezers, a cheap plastic movement holder and a 5x loupe. After some reading and KZbin study, I was able to successfully remove and reset the hands so that now the second hand is bang on with every tick. In the end its all good and I even learned something in the process.

[@briantartell2639]

Really enjoy your collaborative videos where you have a good schmooze. Obvious that you guys are friends! Major pet peeve for me is a non-visible date. Why don’t more manufacturers use a cyclops? With all the manufacturers out there, IMHO, Seiko is the only one that makes a legible date w/o the cyclops. Sometimes, it seems like the watch designers out there, only look at their phones to actually tell the time! Another pet peeve are the consumers that only wear the higher-end pedigree. I love my Seiko and Orients as much as my grails. To me, the fun is wearing what floats my boat that morning. Sometimes (although rarely in the pandemic) I need a dressier watch. I mostly wear casual watches these days. Nice to have a Chrono when I flip my steak on the grill. Love a nice GMT fir travel. Will only wear a screw down crown if I am by the pool. Short of someone coming up with an automatic GMT Chronograph with an uncluttered dual, refined ceramic bezel, domed saohire crystal and date magnifier in a 39mm diameter 12mm or less in height. with great visibility in a variety of finishes,

[@briantartell2639]

(cont’d), there is no perfect watch! So variety is the spice of life!

[@Eduardinca]

TGV and Mark with the early Christmas present. Should I wait until then to watch it?...who am I kidding, im already 15 minutes in. Stay safe and have a lovely Christmas, TGV!

[@theurbangentry]

Thank you so much, have a wonderful and safe Christmas too!!! Enjoy the rest of the show, Best regards, TGV

[@truebluemiata]

Mark, I think the comment about Seiko prices going up referred to their ever-increasing MSRPs on new releases, not to Seiko coming down on deeply discounted existing references.

[@RichsRantMMAofficialchannel]

You guys work great together. I love these videos that you guys do. Keep it up! 👍🏾