Is the new Toyota Supra too... 'BMW'? | Top Gear: Series 27

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The new Toyota Supra was co-developed with BMW, but is it too, um, BMW? Well Paddy loves it, and Harris likes it too, but...
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@nikhil6000
@nikhil6000 4 жыл бұрын
The car is like comparing the old top gear and the new one
@dbnpoldermans4120
@dbnpoldermans4120 4 жыл бұрын
So true
@Akkbar21
@Akkbar21 4 жыл бұрын
Took a single scroll to find a negative new top gear comment. Why don’t they just give up or make it Chris Harris Drives?
@nessuno5403
@nessuno5403 4 жыл бұрын
This video is good enough reason to unsubscribe :)
@Blasterxp
@Blasterxp 4 жыл бұрын
Spot on!
@redraya4263
@redraya4263 4 жыл бұрын
Nope the new supra is faster and more fun and better sport car The new top gear is worse in every way
@soawn29
@soawn29 4 жыл бұрын
Cant wait for the M version..
@Jewsenburg
@Jewsenburg 4 жыл бұрын
Me neither......
@opium42069
@opium42069 4 жыл бұрын
If this m40i version is this good,just imagine the supra M..
@LilMissMurder3409
@LilMissMurder3409 4 жыл бұрын
LOL Quality
@elvis_chen
@elvis_chen 4 жыл бұрын
BMW: We are proud to introduce the... Toyota: Supra GRMN!
@nessuno5403
@nessuno5403 4 жыл бұрын
BMW won't be as stupid as this comment. A BMW M has an S-series engine. This and Z4 will only have the B58. Sure a faster Zupra will come but don't confuse your sushi with bratwurst.
@KevGoesRiding
@KevGoesRiding 4 жыл бұрын
Like ordering sushi but getting a bloody sausage instead
@MkGm3993
@MkGm3993 4 жыл бұрын
yes please
@davidckj1
@davidckj1 4 жыл бұрын
more like sushi with german sausage bits instead of fish
@Eeter26
@Eeter26 4 жыл бұрын
Kevin Sandu sausage is still a damn nice meal!
@mrjjthor
@mrjjthor 4 жыл бұрын
It still taste damn good but just not what I ordered. Lol
@eurosonly
@eurosonly 4 жыл бұрын
Or ordering a salad at a burger joint.
@rafikoumimou3503
@rafikoumimou3503 4 жыл бұрын
Hits the limiter at 155 mph So yeah its a bmw
@TheAllAroundMan
@TheAllAroundMan 4 жыл бұрын
The Mk4 was also limited to 155
@joshschegan
@joshschegan 4 жыл бұрын
If it hits the limiter at 112 mph does that make it a Japanese Toyota? 🤔
@rafikoumimou3503
@rafikoumimou3503 4 жыл бұрын
chill its a joke
@stangetts3204
@stangetts3204 4 жыл бұрын
Who wants to go faster than 155?
@GMLSX
@GMLSX 4 жыл бұрын
@@stangetts3204 Allready did as a co-driver in a tuned 1987 Pontiac Trans Am GTA. Not as exiting as you may think. But pisses of the BMW and Audi drivers.
@branimirteodorovic2297
@branimirteodorovic2297 4 жыл бұрын
If Nissan has money to make GT-R, than Toyota should also have money to make a proper Supra
@carboydorifutoparty3976
@carboydorifutoparty3976 4 жыл бұрын
Yes. Well just forget about the whole decade difference in building new cars,well fotget the inflation costs to build it,well forget that they'd have to make factories just to make this one car,well forget that it'll be in the LC's price range if they'd built it themselves but is built to go against the 370z,M2C,and Cayman,well just forget that Toyota doesnt have a single production car making nowhere near 600hp. They'd just be asking to kill themselves if they even tried making it themselves even if they have the money they'll lose all of it instantly if they tried something like building it themselves.
@Marvelous0071
@Marvelous0071 4 жыл бұрын
Most of Toyotas money was wasted on the LFA project. Even for $375,000 Toyota would still lose on profits from the sheer R&D for that vehicle.
@jonesjonz1
@jonesjonz1 4 жыл бұрын
PREACH!!
@jonesjonz1
@jonesjonz1 4 жыл бұрын
@@carboydorifutoparty3976 horse shit excuses will get you no where. Which is what is gonna happen to this Z4.
@luqmaanjoseph
@luqmaanjoseph 4 жыл бұрын
@@jonesjonz1 get nowhere? Do you not know how well these cars are selling and how much reliable power people are making with these cars already? Everyone is hung up on oh 2jz this and 2jz that. Toyota didn't even make the 2jz themselves that was a Yamaha motor... But nobody's ready for that conversation yet... People need to get over all this history and legacy bullshit. They set out to make a good sportscare and they made a damn good one at that. Who gives a rats ass if the company known for making cheap Japanese crap right now has a car that actually feels premium and luxurious and German? And besides. Most people complaining aren't gonna buy one anymore or probably can't afford one so why all the bitching?
@Sazuza2
@Sazuza2 4 жыл бұрын
5:43 "Is it a God sportscar?" "yes" "God"
@Eeter26
@Eeter26 4 жыл бұрын
doppiamente *good
@AlfaAston03
@AlfaAston03 4 жыл бұрын
@@Eeter26 Thats the joke
@gnerd07
@gnerd07 4 жыл бұрын
Love how they portrayed it. Excellent ending
@abedawg94
@abedawg94 4 жыл бұрын
😂
@Shutxk0u
@Shutxk0u 4 жыл бұрын
I hear that after replaying this clip
@szn00
@szn00 4 жыл бұрын
Listen lads....personally I think only people that are passionate about the car's heritage are gonna complain (like me)..Objectively the Supra is great but it just hurts a little bit :(
@thearousedeunuch
@thearousedeunuch 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@karstenbeyer982
@karstenbeyer982 4 жыл бұрын
Top!
@aka1mite
@aka1mite 4 жыл бұрын
I've always says the biggest and only problem with the new supra is that they called it a supra
@godzillas6301
@godzillas6301 4 жыл бұрын
@@aka1mite Yep ...... closely followed by the owners . Me i feel let down . My mk4 is getting old . Id like an update version as chris says with the crazy curved dash and the general noise to bring a smile but with heated seats and other modern luxury . Cant use the 2jz because of ..... well its 2019 and greta would come after you so something along the next step ... say a V10 and a couple of superchargers . Allow the legend to live on and not be an embarrassment of badges .
@fai8t
@fai8t 4 жыл бұрын
No5hit ladies and gentlemen
@victorneamtu7485
@victorneamtu7485 4 жыл бұрын
Omg that accent is killing me :)) Nice video though
@nessuno5403
@nessuno5403 4 жыл бұрын
Skip the first wasted 3 minutes or add captions
@Carsandmorebyheinrich
@Carsandmorebyheinrich 4 жыл бұрын
@@nessuno5403 Something that Jeremy Clarkson or Mat Watson would have done with that accent
@will51001
@will51001 4 жыл бұрын
Same
@stevenpadilla2332
@stevenpadilla2332 4 жыл бұрын
Chris Harris needs his own show, this man knows car guys
@Captain-Mayday
@Captain-Mayday 4 жыл бұрын
Chris Harris is probably the only reason why anyone is still interested in the show. If only Chris Harris was part of the Clarkson trio, that would have been a formidable team.
@sreeharipradeepan9630
@sreeharipradeepan9630 4 жыл бұрын
What's so good about Clarkson trio🙄🙄😓 they are the worst.
@sreeharipradeepan9630
@sreeharipradeepan9630 4 жыл бұрын
@Vito Adame are you?
@arun2995
@arun2995 4 жыл бұрын
I agree, that would be epic. The childishness alone would make me want to watch.
@atif1538
@atif1538 4 жыл бұрын
@@sreeharipradeepan9630 how are they the worst? the old top gear was succesful so idk where the bad part is.
@JC-be1hk
@JC-be1hk 4 жыл бұрын
It's all scripted
@xD-jm2ie
@xD-jm2ie 4 жыл бұрын
It's always good when the Japanese and the Germans team up. An iconic duo.
@armands3153
@armands3153 4 жыл бұрын
Still missing the Italians sadly. Would be great if FCA would join and do something useless like the electronics of the both automobiles.
@kylewesker726
@kylewesker726 4 жыл бұрын
Omagad
@jeremyfong5684
@jeremyfong5684 4 жыл бұрын
Well, not in a World War or 2
@Mustbcedric
@Mustbcedric 4 жыл бұрын
Lol I see what you did there
@theroyalcrown9165
@theroyalcrown9165 4 жыл бұрын
I wish it was a real toyota supra however it is good where two societies focused on precision and craftsmanship it should be great however longevity is a concern for a bmw but the supra is an icon it should have been 100 percent toyota if i want a bmw ill buy a bmw if i wanted a true toyota i would get a mk4 supra
@sfcindia981
@sfcindia981 4 жыл бұрын
The moment "chris harris" stepped in, i was like "yes it's worth waiting" 😍
@youssefkhaled9346
@youssefkhaled9346 4 жыл бұрын
^^^^^^^^^
@revaholic
@revaholic 4 жыл бұрын
Not really, he just blabbed and ranted about how it's a BMW. That is not new information or an interesting take. Chris is usually much more nuanced
@godzillas6301
@godzillas6301 4 жыл бұрын
he took a massive step up in my book for this , prior i wasnt a fan
@youssefkhaled9346
@youssefkhaled9346 4 жыл бұрын
If chris harris showed up in a top gear episode and did absolutely nothing but sing i would still enjoy it
@spacekii
@spacekii 4 жыл бұрын
@@revaholic Yeah I agree. Chris is my favourite presenter but I think he should give it a chance (although it was definitely scripted for him to say that)
@swinglow33
@swinglow33 4 жыл бұрын
I'd rather wait for Toyota to make a complete refresh with all Toyota bits.
@number4861
@number4861 4 жыл бұрын
swinglow33 hopefully this car will be a stepping stone to get there
@original__gmebvy
@original__gmebvy 4 жыл бұрын
Number 4 this is the last big grand tourer you’ll get under that badge. If you want all Toyota, buy a Lexus. Have fun tuning and tightening up that floaty boat suspension since they all drive like old school American land yachts aka couches
@Joolz1982
@Joolz1982 4 жыл бұрын
They won’t put Toyota bits in it especially engine due to cost. Plus Toyota interior is how do I put this politely poor compared with the German cars sadly.
@Dominik189
@Dominik189 4 жыл бұрын
@@Joolz1982 As an owner of a Toyota who owned a BMW, this is true... However, as a counter-argument, I offer the fact that while the interior may be cheaper in feel in Toyotas, especially old ones. There are PLENTY of us who prefer it that way. I'd rather an interior that I don't mind wearing down and replacing, and won't cost me much, than I would one that makes me anxious to enjoy my car for fear of wearing it down and that costs an arm, a leg, both my kidneys, half my liver and my left lung to replace when it wears down
@Joolz1982
@Joolz1982 4 жыл бұрын
@@Dominik189 Good point about interior being expensive in BMW etc. I hope they don’t wear out quickly!? As an owner of a 2004 Celica at moment (GT86 Jan) I think the old interiors have a few too many hard parts although do agree they could be replaced easily and cheaply. On that point yes I wish they had put a few more Toyota parts in the interior like steering wheel and Tac Gauges(which apparently also BMW made!).
@QantonisQ
@QantonisQ 4 жыл бұрын
- Is the new Toyota Supra... 'BMW'? - YES
@SteveOnlin
@SteveOnlin 4 жыл бұрын
Is the new bmw a ... Supra?
@robz1471
@robz1471 4 жыл бұрын
No thanks paddy No thanks bmw supra Yes chris Yes Toyota supra
@gullf1sk
@gullf1sk 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine if Ferrari had a rebadged BMW and this pillocks argument was "is it a good sports car????"
@amirkhalissumardisidi2265
@amirkhalissumardisidi2265 4 жыл бұрын
Except ferrari is a better manufacturer than bmw....turn it around, what if toyota collaborate with ferrari and people still complain bcos it still doesnt have a 2jz.
@SpinachLeaf
@SpinachLeaf 4 жыл бұрын
@@amirkhalissumardisidi2265 if it was a rebadged Ferrari it'd be great sports car it doesn't change the fact that its a Ferrari and not Supra. Really why call it a Supra it was a cash grab by toyota. It doesnt matter if bmw has the better sports car when people wanted a supras character and feel. Why go for the rebadged from toyota why not go to BMW if you want a BWM.
@gullf1sk
@gullf1sk 4 жыл бұрын
@@amirkhalissumardisidi2265 Thats what i mean, toyota is a better manufacturer than bmw, as is ferrari
@SteveOnlin
@SteveOnlin 4 жыл бұрын
Well, mclaren F1 has a bmw engine most koengesegodfhsnfjlngklanljeggs have mustang engines
@Anankin12
@Anankin12 4 жыл бұрын
Well ut would be a worse sports car
@양현수-s3f
@양현수-s3f 4 жыл бұрын
BMW Supra
@nessuno5403
@nessuno5403 4 жыл бұрын
also known as Zupra (from Z4)
@crazycupckake4676
@crazycupckake4676 4 жыл бұрын
Seems like I've entered comedy island
@fluffyfarrow8244
@fluffyfarrow8244 3 жыл бұрын
If I’m not mistaken Toyota is one of the top 3 largest car manufacturers// yeah they can afford to make a sports car without help// it’s a shame they decided to go the easier route // the results a car that lost its soul // Toyota just once deliver with true passion 😪
@lknanml
@lknanml 4 жыл бұрын
Love how much of the concept made it through production. Fine with the engine. That interior though.... About as passionate as an electric shaver. It's perfectly adequate in form and function and completely forgettable.
@tommybason6057
@tommybason6057 4 жыл бұрын
I've sat in one and yeah it is a very nice place to sit, but I see your point, perhaps some features to make it stand out would be a good idea
@loud_n_lowtaco200
@loud_n_lowtaco200 4 жыл бұрын
Tommy Bason once I sat in it I was quickly able to see every detail, it would’ve been better to discover new little things later on if I were to own it.
@lknanml
@lknanml 4 жыл бұрын
@@tommybason6057 I know Toyota said they had full control over it and shared platforms are nothing new and VERY GOOD for the industry. The Supra may not have come back otherwise. The shared parts right out of the BMW bin is not an issue as well. I do like the look of some of their options. It's just not very [Toyotay] in there especially when they added some MK IV to the look outside. I'll admit I thought there would be some version or nod to the prior car in the center console. Not sure why they played this one overly safe. It's not going to age well at all. Lastly I know people seem to like these raised center displays but it looks terrible in my eyes. It's like they designed the whole interior, got it approved, started building them and someone said hey guys you forgot to add a screen to this car. Oh crap. ahhh. Just stick it here. GO GO GO. Can't wait for this trend to end. Even motorizing them wont help. Just build them into the dash already. Even a hood going to the bottom of the windshield would solve some of the tacked on look. Then again I don't plan on buying one and must not be apart of the demographic they are after. Right now Tesla is the worst. I swear if you take one out you will find a vesa mount on the back.......
@jasonhudson8336
@jasonhudson8336 4 жыл бұрын
LKNANML yeah but it’s like they teased us with this perfect FT1 and put it in a vice and smashed it and then watered it down. It’s just too damn tiny and the interior is also too small it’s like they wanted there version of the 370Z but then they shouldn’t have used the Supra name
@BF109G4
@BF109G4 4 жыл бұрын
LKNANML Toyota shared nothing. The car is full BMW, it was recalled by BMW
@SphericPenny73
@SphericPenny73 4 жыл бұрын
Chris had me cracking up 😂 Guy: Mr Harris Chris: Step out of that seat and apply urself to shotgun position 3:18
@faded039
@faded039 4 жыл бұрын
*OH TAYOTA SUPRE*
@BlitzkriegRap
@BlitzkriegRap 4 жыл бұрын
I have no problem with Supra having a BMW engine...my only complaint is that they don't offer a manual. Then this would be something special on the market!
@ytaltacc8008
@ytaltacc8008 3 жыл бұрын
Aston Martin power some of their cars with the Mercedes 4L V8. It is a brilliant engine as it is, but Aston Martin does their own exhaust and mapping of the engine, so it feels and sounds different then unique and different then the Mercedes. Toyota didn't even do that 😒 Its just. . . lame
@laromaxpower
@laromaxpower 3 жыл бұрын
theres a chance there will be a manual in the upcoming gr supra but dont be surprised it it dosent have one
@muhammadmore
@muhammadmore 2 жыл бұрын
The manual has arrived
@taleeftamsal1024
@taleeftamsal1024 4 жыл бұрын
This was actually a very good episode of motoring journalism.
@idknils2920
@idknils2920 4 жыл бұрын
There's so many cars that are the same as other cars but for some reason the internet is really angry about this
@mlp-hot-rod5824
@mlp-hot-rod5824 4 жыл бұрын
I'd rather spend £55K on an old one and doing it up.
@eX0dusmods
@eX0dusmods 4 жыл бұрын
MLP-Hot-Rod I’d rather drive an actual Z4. Roadsters are bliss anyway
@ShreN_
@ShreN_ 4 жыл бұрын
Have fun trying to get a good MK4 Supra for £55k lol
@SteveOnlin
@SteveOnlin 4 жыл бұрын
Lmao 55k? cute they cose up to 150k
@SteveOnlin
@SteveOnlin 4 жыл бұрын
@@eX0dusmods They drive worse from reviews i heard though
@Joolz1982
@Joolz1982 4 жыл бұрын
You could get a non Turbo one for that I guess. But forget a Turbo for that price.
@idknils2920
@idknils2920 4 жыл бұрын
Funny about all the people complaining in the comments who will never even be able to afford a supra
@TVCHLORD
@TVCHLORD 4 жыл бұрын
this guy sounds like hes paid by toyota and bmw
@AutoFanatique
@AutoFanatique 4 жыл бұрын
3:22 They could've at least got rid of the BMW door chime 😭 good review nonetheless TG
@youtubacc0unt
@youtubacc0unt 4 жыл бұрын
Lmfao 😂 that was a deal breaker for me
@harrissaeed657
@harrissaeed657 4 жыл бұрын
Classic Chris schooling the newbie...
@tomasrusakevic4661
@tomasrusakevic4661 4 жыл бұрын
Thank You SO MUCH Chris Harris,for your truth.Thats why I like your reviews.This new "Supra" is not Supra,300bhp in 90s was impressive,now?German diesels have this power.Its too fake,even with fake name.Its great sports car,but not great Supra,to make great Supra,it had to be M3 donor.Or Toyota had to make its own 3.0l twin turbo ;) its rivals didn't fail,but Toyota did ...
@yeahboy5744
@yeahboy5744 4 жыл бұрын
I whant to see now 2019 supra on forza horizon 4
@nitrokaiju
@nitrokaiju 4 жыл бұрын
It'll most likey be shown around mid-end of January. Idk I'm not a Forza enthusiast.
@youssefkhaled9346
@youssefkhaled9346 4 жыл бұрын
Ohhh yesss
@dylanmore2627
@dylanmore2627 4 жыл бұрын
They already added it, it's called the 2019 bmw z4 (I'm joking I also want the supra added as well)
@boostfrog.
@boostfrog. 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe you whill...
@CashMason4
@CashMason4 4 жыл бұрын
dylan more the old Supra is in fh4 but not the new one.
@tomaszbudnik521
@tomaszbudnik521 4 жыл бұрын
is chassis made by Toyota? is engine made by Toyota? is this car made in Japan? This is BMW not Toyota... end of story...
@ErnestDziadekGruz
@ErnestDziadekGruz 4 жыл бұрын
"It's not a Toyota" -Chris Harris on Toyota Supra J29
@ytaltacc8008
@ytaltacc8008 3 жыл бұрын
BMW Supra M40i
@Tzekkie
@Tzekkie 4 жыл бұрын
Please, stop calling this "Top Gear". It's embarrassing
@naumanjaved5927
@naumanjaved5927 4 жыл бұрын
You know what sucks about the new Supra? When Honda decided to make the new NSX, they made a new NSX. When Nissan decided to make the new GT-R, they made a new GT-R. Subaru is still making pretty much the same STi. Mitsubishi gave up... But you know what Toyota did? They showed the world what they can do with the LFA, and then shit on their entire fan base by selling out the Supra to BMW.
@ewadge
@ewadge 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like I’m the only one who doesn’t mind Paddy
@Steve-qr2lm
@Steve-qr2lm 4 жыл бұрын
No manual transmission is the biggest disappointment for me, it’s a drivers car!
@tommybason6057
@tommybason6057 4 жыл бұрын
Toyota is rumoured to be testing one
@vika0194
@vika0194 4 жыл бұрын
You wouldn’t buy it anyway
@ryanpham3308
@ryanpham3308 4 жыл бұрын
As if you can talk, @@vika0194. :P
@vika0194
@vika0194 4 жыл бұрын
Ryan Pham I can. But I bought an F-type R instead.
@LakeHowellDigitalVideo
@LakeHowellDigitalVideo 4 жыл бұрын
@@tommybason6057 The BMW Z4 already has one.
@Lostsage01
@Lostsage01 4 жыл бұрын
I like BMW’s for their engineering and how they feel when you drive them, but hate the excess maintenance / repair costs when the cars get older. I like Toyota’s because they’re solid, reliable cars with low ownership costs, if maybe a bit boring. If I buy this, am I getting the best of both worlds? Or the worst of both worlds? Am I going to regret the purchase when the warranty is up? There was a rumor before the car’s reveal that Toyota had gone through the BMW motor and quality tested every part, redesigning those that didn’t meet Toyota standards - much to the surprise of BMW. However, Toyota has said basically squat publicly about the reliability testing they did of these various BMW parts, which has me questioning the validity of that rumor. Bottom line for me - a BMW engineered Toyota sounds interesting, but this could be a better car to lease vs buy.
@Cyba_IT
@Cyba_IT 4 жыл бұрын
Great point about reliability. And I suspect if that were true about Toyota testing the Bimmer parts they'd keep it on the lowdown because if they publicised it then they're basically broadcasting that BMW parts are shit. They're kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place.
@YusufGinnah
@YusufGinnah 4 жыл бұрын
Don't buy into all the marketing hype about parts being re-tested and strengthened... Toyota may have tested parts for fitment compatibility but nothing's been changed. The part numbers are even the same as the z4. And all Toyota dealerships that provide servicing to the new Supra have a single BMW technician on-site to do Supra servicing. So it's a BMW that they're now able to sell to Toyota customers. Everybody wins... Except the buyer of course.
@YusufGinnah
@YusufGinnah 4 жыл бұрын
@Chaminda Thushara Ruwan Kasturi No doubt buddy, I have mad respect for the B58, it's very tunable. But it isn't a Japanese creation. Simply put, with Toyota being maybe the world's largest auto manufacturer, they can't have the excuse that a new model will cost too much to produce. It's just a dilution of what a Toyota actually is. 👍🏼
@kylekennedy420
@kylekennedy420 4 жыл бұрын
300 arsepower is plenty
@leolopez626
@leolopez626 4 жыл бұрын
The old Supra didn’t make all those noises until the tuners got their hands on it and the 2JZ didn’t come stock with 800 horsepower.
@Dominik189
@Dominik189 4 жыл бұрын
1200 WHP** xD but true, however, the 2JZ-GTE did make some lovely noises all it's own from the factory.
@lordderak
@lordderak 3 жыл бұрын
@@Dominik189 not as nice as the noise the bmw in-line 6 makes in stock form, people need to move on from the 2jz obsession, it’s old tech. Great engine for sure but not an engine for a modern sports car
@Dominik189
@Dominik189 3 жыл бұрын
@@lordderak I've heard all of 1 BMW engine who's tone I liked and that was the old ass S14 engine. BMW engines sound like garbage to me, in fact most European car manufacturers engines sound like complete and utter shyte regardless of the exhaust on them. At least to me. I'm a rotary guy, the best sounding engine ever made in my opinion is a NA Rotary, whether it's a 2 rotor, 3 rotor or 4 rotor doesn't matter.
@lordderak
@lordderak 3 жыл бұрын
@@Dominik189 AMG engine as well? I think that statement is nonsense tbh
@Dominik189
@Dominik189 3 жыл бұрын
@@lordderak we all have our own taste man. There's people who hate the sound of a rotary, people who like me adore that same sound. Some people like the sound of boxer engines with unequal length headers and others don't. Some like European makes, others don't. It's all personal taste. My taste is my own.
@gerardjaleo381
@gerardjaleo381 4 жыл бұрын
They should edit some subtitles when these two "talk"... still, gotta love Chris Harris
@jjgates6351
@jjgates6351 4 жыл бұрын
"It's a BMW. It's so wrong" blah blah blah but since when being a bmw is something bad and wrong?
@shinobihiriyu-originalninj4634
@shinobihiriyu-originalninj4634 4 жыл бұрын
Toyota sold their soul to BMW and got a Z4 with a sexy body. They could and should make it on their own with a new inline 6 cylinder petrol engine. 400 BHP turbo charged and with two gearbox options, manual and automatic. So for god sake, do it TOYOTA OR BURN FOR EVER IN HELL !
@FrancisMarcosGaming
@FrancisMarcosGaming 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine complaining about a BMW powered car that isn't a McLaren
@Krozhin
@Krozhin 4 жыл бұрын
This is just a rebadged bmw, complete garbage -The neckbeard who drives a corolla Shame on bmw and toyota, two makers of insane sports cars, for coming together and bringing us a sick affordable sports car with a fantastic powertrain and chassi
@MalakhiW
@MalakhiW 4 жыл бұрын
i’m a bmw guy but i think it’s wrong to put basically all bmw parts in a toyota that has so much history behind it let’s be honest it’s a z4 with a body kit
@Krozhin
@Krozhin 4 жыл бұрын
@@MalakhiW In all honesty the mk4 is not a good car at all, it's a grand tourer with extremely heavy drivetrain and bad handling The only reason the car is worshipped is because the iron block can take a huge amount of power Yeah it's got history but the new car is just better in every way, except for not having a manual option.
@Ren_1106
@Ren_1106 4 жыл бұрын
@@Krozhin older car is still better than new car. Less technical than new car and it can controls more better
@Krozhin
@Krozhin 4 жыл бұрын
@@Ren_1106 what?
@user-tb5ns7hc5i
@user-tb5ns7hc5i 4 жыл бұрын
A Toyota Supra should have Japanese styling, engineering, feel, and character... Not German. The same way a Porsche or BMW should look and feel and drive like German cars.. Not Japanese. That’s why a GT86/BRZ collaboration works, but this one does not. Fail. :(
@Joel_B07
@Joel_B07 4 жыл бұрын
I miss the Old top gear!
@wdmfan
@wdmfan 4 жыл бұрын
Is it a good sports car? Yes But does it have a soul? Nope, sold it to bmw. Does it have a personality of its own? Nope, borrowed it from bmw.
@mrjjthor
@mrjjthor 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly!! It's a great sports car but one without an identity. It's trying to pass off as a Supra but most fans know it's technically a BMW Z4 coupe which was also a great drivers car.
@thisisjcs3620
@thisisjcs3620 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe a 25 year old motor engineered by a piano company is the definition of "soul" and "personality" for you
@wdmfan
@wdmfan 4 жыл бұрын
@TheStatistnr27 nope, just stating simple facts, 3 basic things define personality & soul of any vehicle- 1) chassis 2) engine/transmission 3) balance & suspension system,(All BMW). Only work toyota did was tuning of the above 3. Dressing up differently won't change who she is.
@wdmfan
@wdmfan 4 жыл бұрын
@@thisisjcs3620 Toyota don't need 25 year old engine, they can design new powerhouse, drive train, & chassis in a blip if they want to. But they know people are stupid enough to buy a tuned up & rebatched Z4, So why bother! Sell enough rebatched Z4 to stupid people, keep money & name afloat. MeanWhile invest in future i.e. hybrid & electric vehicle technology.
@thisisjcs3620
@thisisjcs3620 4 жыл бұрын
@@wdmfan first of all, the main reason why Toyota borrowed "soulless" components from BMW was because they didn't want to spend their cash on developing a new I6. If they did come up with a 3JZ or whatever, the sticker price of the A90 would've been too expensive and it wouldn't be so much of an affordable sports car, meaning you guys would still complain. Meanwhile BMW produces some of the most bulletproof I6s and they also have a solid motorsports background, so you could see where that was going. The Supra name and the 2J themselves wouldn't be considered "legendary" if it weren't for FnF, since Toyota themselves replaced the 2J in favor of the 3S and the 3UZ on actual motorsports like JGTC. If Toyota were to use an existing engine from their own arsenal like the Camry V6, the Supra fanboys would still complain.
@ONYX-365
@ONYX-365 4 жыл бұрын
*I wish Top Gear would do more on cars your average person can afford!* _Sub 50K cars, & more hot hatches_ 👌
@crxdelsolsir
@crxdelsolsir 4 жыл бұрын
Could have just rebadge a detuned and restyled LFA or Lexus Coupe a SUPRA and called it a day! Not to mention costing less in Research and Development and keeping the Spirit and pedigree of the "Supra" pure.
@BaconNCereal
@BaconNCereal 4 жыл бұрын
I agree they should’ve ATLEAST recreated the mk4 Supra interior driver dash ...
@chrishewson40
@chrishewson40 4 жыл бұрын
I don't understand why they couldn't put a Toyota engine in it, but yes i think its a great sports car but im 50/50 about the heritage, i have a Toyota gt86 which looks like a Toyota and has a subaru engine but at least its Japanese and Toyota part own Subaru. I actually think the gt86 is still more fun, not that much slower, and better looking than the Supra for a third of the price (in my opinion)
@ChimcharrNo1
@ChimcharrNo1 4 жыл бұрын
Not a Supra sorry
@ShadowFalcon
@ShadowFalcon 4 жыл бұрын
So, I guess the MA-70 Supra isn't a Supra either, since it doesn't have a JZ engine.
@user-tb5ns7hc5i
@user-tb5ns7hc5i 4 жыл бұрын
This Supra should have been an LFA-Light. That’s what we wanted Toyota. Not a German car. :( I buy Toyota’s specifically because they are Japanese and not German or American.
@ethan60645
@ethan60645 4 жыл бұрын
considering BMW has to recall them not toyota i’d say yes
@bkirkbir
@bkirkbir 4 жыл бұрын
Toyota made a good car, they only did one mistake, which is calling this car Supra. Even if they named it shit box, nobody would have problem with it.
@nessuno5403
@nessuno5403 4 жыл бұрын
The first 3 minutes of this review will do for me just fine, to UNSUBSCRIBE :) Stupid review up to that point. World's richest company can't do a new Supra/Lexus? Yet Honda NSX and Nissan GTR could and Mazda with FIAT have enough of a different MX5 between their twins. Sayonara new BS Top Gear.
@TheWutangclan1995
@TheWutangclan1995 4 жыл бұрын
This car makes me think of the LFA the closest thing to being the new Supra minus the price.
@akeelabbas28
@akeelabbas28 4 жыл бұрын
Me: I will never buy this it's not a real supra Also me: I cant afford this anyways
@viralityfactor987
@viralityfactor987 4 жыл бұрын
My only problem is going to be BMW reliability.
@petitglu007
@petitglu007 4 жыл бұрын
Lots of pieces badged bmw. A lot! It s more a bmw than a Toyota....
@crxdelsolsir
@crxdelsolsir 4 жыл бұрын
This supra had lots of BMW parts. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZ_OnmCNpK6ngck It is as Toyota as the Toyota engine in the the BRZ and 86.
@pieyield2255
@pieyield2255 4 жыл бұрын
I’m still waiting for James May to make another sandwich tutorial rather than this rubbish
@wtfchazpwnt
@wtfchazpwnt 4 жыл бұрын
The presenter talks about how fast he is going through the corner at 1:13 but they show the gauge and he downshifts to second gear at 18 miles per hour for a hairpin that isn't even that sharp. Get this fool off here and only let chris harris do the REAL car reviews.
@oxyriamz
@oxyriamz 4 жыл бұрын
This bloke accent is totally liverpoolish
@xjlfx1756
@xjlfx1756 4 жыл бұрын
No its not😂
@hellobooom
@hellobooom 4 жыл бұрын
Nope hahahah
@TermlessHGW
@TermlessHGW 4 жыл бұрын
People say the old Top Gear magic is back...? Where....?! It's not and it never will be, let's just move on.
@vigi_5192
@vigi_5192 4 жыл бұрын
Pros: It's a BMW Cons: It's a BMW
@ashystyle
@ashystyle 4 жыл бұрын
I can speak and understand English on a enterprise level but have not a clue about what this guy is saying. Get rid of him ASAP!
@crxdelsolsir
@crxdelsolsir 4 жыл бұрын
"Is it a good sports car?" - Yes "But could it have been better if designed and built by Toyota in JAPAN" = Most certainly and Definitely YESSSS!!
@crxdelsolsir
@crxdelsolsir 2 жыл бұрын
@TheEpic Triot Only the skin. The chassis is BMW aswell as the Engine. Every major component that makes a cars DNA. Let us reverse it, would it be a Ferrari or Mercedes if it was all Hyundai (engine, transmission, chassis etc) other than the outer skin, tuning, seats and steering wheel? I rest my case.
@crxdelsolsir
@crxdelsolsir 2 жыл бұрын
@TheEpic Triot Keep justifying it but it is not what a Supra. Shared parts and chassis with another totally different maker is not how or what a Supra should be. Your argument is like justifying a BMW M3 or any BMW as not being a HYUNDAI because of tiny differences when the whole thing should be 100% unique and original. It is a Supra by name only tainted and unoriginal. More a totally different product that is not a Supra.
@LnDSuv
@LnDSuv 4 жыл бұрын
Next thing you know Toyota will outsource Land Cruiser production to Land Rover 😂😂😂
@joshschegan
@joshschegan 4 жыл бұрын
All of the hates on the new Supra, but in Japan itself this new "Supra" is very well perceived
@hellobooom
@hellobooom 4 жыл бұрын
Didn't know they were into BMWs
@KeenanStyles
@KeenanStyles 4 жыл бұрын
That's because the people here dont live in a constant haze of stupidity like fan boys who've never owned any time if Supra to begin with across the internet crying about the new car. Even Orido the Supra god is in love with this car and his credibility and word has way more meaning than the typical internet fan boys who can only wish they had a Supra.
@epicshade3463
@epicshade3463 4 жыл бұрын
I think that's because they actually trust and put faith into the successor of one of the engineers who originally built the car now.But to other people they wont let it go and realize the actual good reasons why they decided to go this route. Just saying this video proves my point in a lot of ways. The actual heritage of the actual engineering is carried on in it.
@AugmentedGravity
@AugmentedGravity 4 жыл бұрын
I hate the unjustified hate haters give this car.
@quest8795
@quest8795 4 жыл бұрын
The fact we even *got* a new Supra that wasn't a hybrid or electric (or even a crossover SUV) is enough. The fact that it's made with German engineering is a good thing. It's a sports car, not a car made for people to say "ew BMW".
@jimmyspencer1221
@jimmyspencer1221 4 жыл бұрын
It would be a great car if they didn’t name it the Supra you gave it to high a pedistal and it can’t match up to the fame of the old one should of just called it the new gt86
@yissibiiyte
@yissibiiyte 4 жыл бұрын
The question is how much did Toyota pay for this video?
@ifixthings633
@ifixthings633 4 жыл бұрын
How many ass did you have to kiss to say it's a good car? At least Chris is honest about it rather than being optimistic and carry on with a total disappointment 😒
@mykevenable8180
@mykevenable8180 4 жыл бұрын
Finally, some good reporting, this !!
@idknils2920
@idknils2920 4 жыл бұрын
Is it a Supra As long as it has the badge and the spirit YES
@adh6712
@adh6712 4 жыл бұрын
Love how Chris still mentions the 2JZ engine..respect!
@Strike86
@Strike86 4 жыл бұрын
What they should have done is used the V8 from the Lexus RC-F. That would have been proper.
@christopherrod7
@christopherrod7 4 жыл бұрын
5:40 He asked him if it was a good sports car? As if that will justify it as a Supra. This may be a good sports car but it's no supra, and that's what the nice/newbie guy doesn't understand - it's about character and experience. Chris appreciates not just the engineering, but the character and culture behind the legendary mk4
@привет_лунатикам
@привет_лунатикам 4 жыл бұрын
*The roads haven't changed, but the competition has. No one bothered about the BMW aspect? Haha, many many are. Is it a good car - yes, no one denying that. Is it a good Supra - no*
@deriwhiteswift
@deriwhiteswift 4 жыл бұрын
Anyone sees something strange with chris harris' head?
@KeenanStyles
@KeenanStyles 4 жыл бұрын
I'm just here to laugh at all the butthurt internet Supra fan boys in the comments
@plutobaby9996
@plutobaby9996 4 жыл бұрын
I’m just here to say I miss Jeremy
@FluffyTitanium
@FluffyTitanium 4 жыл бұрын
Watch grand tour
@bowser515
@bowser515 4 жыл бұрын
Chris Harris is only thing that Top gear has going for it now. Just get in as much if him as you can...
@TheDoosh79
@TheDoosh79 4 жыл бұрын
"Imagine doing your big shop at Lidl and getting home to find your bags full of Waitrose gear" - lol, genius.
@alex042687
@alex042687 4 жыл бұрын
Lame . . . Give me the BMW version with a manual on that twisty road any day. I'll take my 94 MKIV 6 speed instead.
@idknils2920
@idknils2920 3 жыл бұрын
Supra Checklist Turbo I6 ✓ Tuneable as all hell ✓ Good nimble sportswear ✓ Japanese looks ✓ Seems like a supra
@tom9154
@tom9154 4 жыл бұрын
It's a bmw so reliability will be an issue. I just think Toyota phoned it in with the supra just like they did with the brz/frs/gt86. Toyota has talented engineers and I haven't heard of them having financial problems at the moment. They could've made this in house if they wanted to. MHO anyway.
@carboydorifutoparty3976
@carboydorifutoparty3976 4 жыл бұрын
Well isn't that because they've been using the same engines and trans for decades now while nearly every brand now makes new engines or uses new trans? They obviously weren't going to put money down in making a fresh new sportscar knowing that they can barely sell a car that's worth 100k. They knew financially that it was going to fail just like the last one if they tried making it themselves so they went with someone that actually had experience in making sports cars and still made i6s.
@jorgnyoa3561
@jorgnyoa3561 4 жыл бұрын
I went to a dealer 2 hours away just to sit in one. And it didt feel like a toyota at all. I got a massive bmw feel the moment i sat down
@BF109G4
@BF109G4 4 жыл бұрын
The joke is, it was recalled by BMW
@Shivaprasad.04
@Shivaprasad.04 4 жыл бұрын
Old one was much better looking
@greathey1234
@greathey1234 4 жыл бұрын
Old one is still the last one. This is fake
@michaelmassart2349
@michaelmassart2349 4 жыл бұрын
If this car is granted to soil the Supra name and legacy, we therefore should also embrace those two new barely understandable TG hosts? Too much tripe to swallow in my book! Thank God for Chris Harris, he single handily rescues Top Gear from it's own demise. Sadly, badging this as FlopGear comes too close for comfort lately ...
@basithph8958
@basithph8958 4 жыл бұрын
It needs a manual transmission!
@seang2822
@seang2822 4 жыл бұрын
Toyota could have based the Supra off the lc500 or the rcf
@ashishpeddada7469
@ashishpeddada7469 4 жыл бұрын
The accent is a wee bit Scottish 😂😂😂
@NikesZ28
@NikesZ28 4 жыл бұрын
Ill bet you its just simply about profit, Toyota could have made a whole new car but the suits in there office would have had a little less profit. Greed, never a good thing. Im with Harris on this.
@carboydorifutoparty3976
@carboydorifutoparty3976 4 жыл бұрын
Well...they can barely sell cars like the LC and they wanted the car to be in the price range that it is now. So would u want them to give u a 400hp Camry powered mk5 with the weight of a rcf?
@EazyE373
@EazyE373 4 жыл бұрын
Bloody hell you lot are late aren’t you
@MHanssen
@MHanssen 4 жыл бұрын
Why are people so dumb, 90% of the comment section is just "it is not a toyota, it is a bmw" or calling it a z4 even though it the Toyota Supra mk5 is more Toyota than bmw
@mrjjthor
@mrjjthor 3 жыл бұрын
The mkv is definitely not more Toyota than BMW.
@svenzerx8490
@svenzerx8490 4 жыл бұрын
but the mk4 was modded on steroids which was perfect 💀👌
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