Toph Talks: Melee's Neutral Game DEMYSTIFIED

[@wophful]

Last month I found Machaboo’s write-up on neutral and I started trying to convert the ideas to smash ideas in my head. Little did I know there was a 4-year-old video that did it already.

[@LazyLee]

I've waited my whole life for a toph upload

[@MagikMKW]

I'm SUCH a Toph fan, this is great

[@etherealiska]

I came here just to say "this is great" and it was already said

[@coolguy69verycool]

Aaah I subscribe to the hugs philosophy on neutral, I know my moves, I know my opponents moves, I'm a top player and don't need to explain neutral to you plebs

[@dtdt2121]

This helped me a lot. for a long time, I've just been practicing moving around and getting comfortable with moving around and now I'm trying to learn mind games and learn neutral well and this helped me understand it a lot. So, thank you Toph!

[@Gehis514]

Toph is back with the wisdom, I'm all for the toph topics

[@nage9465]

Really cool video and well spoken. We need more content and discussions like this to raise the level of understanding the broader community has about what's actually going on in high level melee

[@sdw-hv5ko]

I would love an extended discussion on cheese in Smash/other fighting games! The way I think about cheese is low-effort high-reward. So if a Sheik just sits in the corner shielding and mindlessly spams shield-grab, that's cheese, because it takes little effort and can lead to an easy kill. That doesn't mean EVERY shield grab in the corner is cheese, because if you mix it up well and are consciously thinking about spacing/player habits and that stuff, then you're actually putting in effort and making a calculated decision. But I'm interested to hear if other people understand it differently.

[@kevwox]

Your explanation makes this concept so much easier to digest than someone simply saying "melee is rps." The reasoning and examples you give have given me so many ideas to work with. Looking forward to seeing more videos soon!

[@DrunkenHotei]

And so began one of the biggest Melee channels on YT.

[@Binlaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

Man I've been looking for a video like that for a while, amazing content! Also plz do that cheese video it sounds like a dope concept

[@dariosusu1529]

TOPH! glad you share your wisdom. keep at it

[@LeavingMirror]

Been playing since 2016 and I JUST NOW FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS... I pick scissors and get mad at a rock user because I always pick scissors and it's just brute force. As fox, drift back drill is so good, I literally heard how good it was at my first tournament way back in 2016 but I saw mango just go in and I thought that was the sickest way to play. 7 years later, I'm down to walk my own path. This really really helps me learn scenarios that I'm constantly getting punished in, and DAY ONE I'm adapting. Best Toph video ever.

[@TheFBIorange]

Loved this, great explanations. I always thought the neutral triangle was grab/attack/shield but that didn’t feel right, these 3 make much more sense. More abstract and intentions based, also sooooo applicable to pretty much anything competitive

[@Tomatoffel]

drink when toph adjusts his hair

[@FirePuff12]

This is so sick!!

[@FirePuff12]

@@Peter-q1p7t that’s right Kakarrot!

[@adinv9257]

Helpful

[@FirePuff12]

@@adinv9257 🔥

[@ADHDtj]

loved the maplestory music enough to tab back in

[@Acryte]

National Park such a sick song. Gotta love Go Ichinose.

[@mrpinguimninja]

I had just read Machabo's article earlier this week and even though i don't play guilty gear, apart from the examples, I felt most of what was in there. I'm really noob when it comes to fg's still, but reading that helped think of my decisions better and more. Great video, Toph!

[@mousev1093]

Nice maple music in the background ;)

[@theokepler9484]

Toph for President

[@WhatIsACountry]

My neutral just got better 10x by listening to this

[@mrsmoothables]

love this, gonna come back to it. thanks toph

[@RickyAlabasterMedia]

amazing video I hope you make more in the future, this was ver entertaining

[@ssbmKhalid]

subbed. legend. dope content

[@nathanouellet1253]

Demystified. That was demystified en tabarnack my friend. :) Thanks Toph.

[@samskott2344]

One tell for me is that if I get hit with something so hard that I almost felt it in real life, that's probably because I just got read like a book.

[@davidliimatta3684]

This is melee library level material

[@welinsky]

this is awesome!

[@thegamingguy1]

This the good shit right here man love you and your knowledge Toph

[@nago6109]

So basically if someone has a glaring Hole in there Nuetral, dont punish it and keep throwing out options and occasionally beat the Opening they leave but because you are throwing out so many different options they get confused to what they are actually losing to and dont adapt as fast

[@thetouffe316]

Is this another name for bubble theory?

[@jelloSG]

Loved this vid

[@1122markj]

I still after all these years, believe there is no such thing as cheese.

[@BlueGrovyle]

I'm a simple guy. I hear Besaid, I like.

[@ryanobyrne8804]

can anyone link me to the article? It seems to be a dead link

[@SyntheticB]

Good shit toph

[@co_obs]

hell yea toph

[@Rinin.]

Fellas, Is wobbling cheese?

[@EA_SP0RTCENTER]

Can someone tell me what the music is? Toph?

[@falcoisaniceguy5191]

Besaid Island from Final Fantasy X was one of the songs

[@maxono1465]

anybody got the link pls?

[@bobpie7]

I’m toph

[@austinyun]

TFW there's a bigger gap between Toph uploads than Attack on Titan seasons Like when your dad goes out for cigarettes when you're 5 and comes back when you graduate from High School like nothing happened

[@TheCarljeff]

Great vid, definitely deserves more views than this

[@JigChu7]

Neutral...what dat :/