How Salty is the Average Smash Player?

[@soup_56]

You missed the "spacie playing against marth who switches to marth after a couple games and f-smashes repeatedly in the corner without moving as if to make a point that all the marth is doing is f-smashing despite the spacie getting caught by every dash attack-uptilt combo" tier

[@AlexRoseGames]

whenever I play a marth as falco and closely win game 1 I go marth game 2, usually take the first 1-2 stocks free and then they almost always d/c. and if not I then go ness after I win game 2 and they definitely d/c

[@ripmyhands5649]

I hate that these people exist. I dual main fox marth and the marth gets the wrong idea every time I switch for the ditto. Same thing happens with the fox ditto. :(

[@AlexRoseGames]

@@ripmyhands5649 imo character switching can come across as bm by default so if you want to dual main without tilting anyone, disconnect and start a new session as your other main

[@mlalbaitero]

@@AlexRoseGames or just keep playing cause who cares what some random person thinks. I also get upset when someone changes their character in the moment, but really I shouldn't, it's a game and they can pick who they want. Obviously when I'm playing Falco and they go Falco and they start spamming lasers and taunting, theyre insulting my play, but if they don't its fine

[@dysenkennedy]

People do this against peach too. If they di one d-smash badly and they start mashing d-smash even if that was the first time you used it that match.

[@imaginewagons5414]

I lasercamped a ganon for 6 minutes in falco ganon game one and then played like 10 more games with that same ganon, different and better breed

[@ProcessHF]

Players like this thinking it's cool to lame out low tiers instead of just playing the game and having fun.

[@BlueGrovyle]

@@ProcessHF well maybe this person was doing all 3 at the same time: playing, being lame, and having fun.

[@raiden4647]

@@BlueGrovyle i fucking love playing lame

[@TrevsTreehouse]

​@@BlueGrovyleI do all three at once and I refuse to feel any shame for it loll. Life is about balance

[@Liimbozo]

@@ProcessHF "Laming out low tiers" AKA playing the matchup correctly lmao. If you don't want your character to be invalidated by one strat then pick a better character and then we can play and have fun.

[@SmilePecoSmile]

I am blue Falco. I am not a sweet person. I am not a scholar or a gentleman. I am probably tilted into oblivion but will hit you with the "well played" because my shortcomings are my own fault.

[@Gigabyte019]

You have my respect.

[@serval_ssbm]

you're a goated human being for that

[@Sanjuro333]

Pink Peach should say "Unless they are playing Fox" instead of Falcon. The Falcon matchup is way less rage inducing than fighting Fox as Peach in my opinion.

[@sam.lipchutz]

I’ve been playing peach allot lately and I love playing Falcon and spacies because it’s so pleasurable to gimp them. The ones I hate playing are Puffs and actually sheiks because they camp me out and It’s so hard to even hit them

[@tylerboulware6510]

I'm a pink Peach and I'm ironically in the "... unless they are playing Peach".

[@trollof229antthevariable9]

LOL

[@Finneagan]

Fox is hard but not usually frustrating for me. Marth is the real saltshaker

[@crocworks]

As a green Luigi main, I can confirm that the funniest thing to happen is when a top tier ragequits.

[@SnyderChips07]

Two luigis ragequit on my fox today- I don't blame them though, wavedash-downsmash can't be that fun to play as

[@mattneale1333]

Another Green Luigi here, its amazing how fox and falco will stand there until you get close to them, then they'll quit. its like a mini game, if you can get a hit in before they quit, they'll stay for the first stock then rage quit if you win the stock or taunt and quit if they win it. dude it's one stock, no one has owned anyone yet

[@h3ck774]

Nothing like resting a puff to a taste of they’re own medicine

[@smoceany9478]

can confirm as a black G&W

[@xXDaftPunk101Xx]

In my experience falco mains exist on both ends of the spectrum. I've played falcos that will quit out after getting hit with the first laser in the ditto, but I've also had a few absolute homies that would try to save you with shine if you were about to sd.

[@Yvs8962]

Not a Falco player but I agree. Some Falco's play and act like the biggest dickheads ever (usually Green Falco LOL). Pretty much only down to stick around if theyre winning, frame 1 quit out whenever you land a finishing blow, "lol lol lol", non-stop camping and laser spam to the point where its clear their goal is just to make playing them as anti-fun as possible, etc. But then I have run into the cool Falco’s who are def homie and communicate that theyre just there for some dope Melee. Definitely a spectrum between the two, but also a bit of a binary cuz they usually are more like one or the other.

[@MasterPpv]

I think the huge disparity just comes from the fact that there are SO many Falco players on unranked. You're just naturally going to have a lot of variation when your sample size is that large.

[@dahuterschuter]

Falcon players should be in "Well mannered unless you're playing Falcon" tier

[@Mario_Archive]

I'm a mario main and I get a lot of instant disconnects, I always thought it was just that mario was too low tier, but "I don't want to play your secondary" makes a lot of sense

[@bananastan714]

I don’t usually have a lot of time for games these days. Only 2 or 3 years into melee, and I’d honestly rather just play against characters where I know more about the matchup and stuff like that. If I have a bunch of time, I’m down to play against any character.

[@boxcarTV]

happens to my doc too

[@barakbrooks9288]

I quit out against Mario/doc or Luigi cause I just find way too fucking many of them I don't wanna play Mario all day

[@BringBackOGClubPenguin]

I feel like base fox or falco should be on “Unless you’re playing puff” or “Specially if you’re playing puff”

[@Yvs8962]

Yeah but tbf if you play Puff youre kind of a joke -White Fox

[@CMAT17]

Bring Laudandus for the matchup chart! The Falcon salt from that Scar and Toph show was immensely hilarious.

[@kestrel7493]

I think a tier for "that ONE matchup" would be better than loads of individual character matchup tiers

[@CogzillaOfDojima]

Can confirm I play both blue spacies and have never hit a chat button that isn't "ggs" "well played" or "that was fun"

[@invalidssb]

I think what was missing is the “Wannabe” tier I think that there are some alts that are like you want to be the person who uses them for me that would be Red Fox because mango u know

[@brianbearce5679]

As a green skin main who plays a lot of falco. I wanna break the stereotype. I wanna be the chill green falco who stays forever

[@mwagsoney37]

I feel this and i main falcon and play marth and falco secondary

[@VisaCardholder]

I've been playing Slippi nearly daily since release and I'm now realizing I've never seen a Pichu on unranked.

[@VisaCardholder]

The only Yoshi I know is one of the saltiest people I've seen

[@AlexRoseGames]

@@VisaCardholder the only ICs I've ever seen are the saltiest players on netplay

[@dr_skrrt8606]

he put every skin i use in the friendly and amazing person teir so whenever i get mad now i think back and contain my anger as a blue fox (red marth, green falcon, ect) main to up hold this image

[@RawrJaayZ]

As an unranked Falco player, every white Marth is wholesome unless Marth ditto

[@TacoInvader69]

lol thats me

[@AutumnForHire]

White Marth Power

[@sigmundsoldier]

Literally me. Play white Marth as a huge Fire Emblem fan. Hate the ditto

[@marquezrobinson7492]

Marty dittos suck so hard

[@zelkye]

As a neutral Falcon main, i enjoy your youtube content, but begrudgingly.

[@boxcarTV]

need a “will switch to bottom tier characters for 4 games then ‘lol’ ‘lol’ and dc on their first win” tier

[@AeroAnimationsInc]

Man color psychology is nuts. I'm usually a pretty chill guy. And I usually do either blue or neutral characters. Crazy.

[@CalebBlack]

I only disconnect when someone wants to go "all star mode" on me. If they've changed character for the second time or later, and they're changing to a low tier, I'm out.

[@AlexRoseGames]

haha, I am an allstar player but only vs marth. it takes a lot of restraint to not just go in as falco and I have to play so patient to not get cheesed. when I just wanna chill and not think I switch to the ditto or roy after I win game 1. if I lose game 1 I stick it out with falco and play till they d/c. if I win the ditto convincingly I go ness

[@snailcakes9119]

What if they suck

[@snailcakes9119]

Then that’s me suckie all star player just trying to find my main

[@johnkingery6035]

Purple Gannons are trying to tilt you, neutral Gannon is here to have a good time, and Green Gannon goes for reverse nair

[@alejandrocrespo7633]

One of the Marth shades should go in the "will dc against Shiek" tier lmao

[@Probasaur]

When you put Blue Falco to the bottom tier i popped off in agreement. Def has nothing to do with blue falco being my main and i almost always send "well played" "that was fun" "ggs". Spot on toph ;]

[@michaelmullen1503]

Much respect to Toph's massive integrity

[@samskott2344]

Every Mario main that I have ever encountered seems to have this almost unhealthy amount of dedication to their character. And like, when they can't beat you, they do get reallly salty. Especially if they feel they are losing to a select few options that are really strong against Mario and they think you're being unfair.

[@talkgomilk]

I’m a Mario main and relate to this a lot, a lot of times I’ll play against a Marth and get really frustrated when he just flat out beats everything I have. Marth far out ranges Mario and even though I know the matchup sometimes it feels like I can’t do shit. That being said, I still say GGs Well Played after every match (Unless they quit out on me)

[@samskott2344]

@@talkgomilk lmao I feel that man. As an average Marth enjoyer, I can definitely say I like fighting the Marios because there just isn't much they can do to threaten you, lol.

[@MaybeMintz]

I'm a green Marth. I back air all the time and have no clue how to chaingrab. I feel called out.

[@ZizZazZuz]

This reminds me a lot of the team fortress 2 hat stereotypes videos. This is a good thing. Black Marth is a warpig.

[@drunkhyperjuice]

i was having an aneurysm from shock that it took so long for green falcon to recieve justice

[@nintenx1235]

I’m a Ness main because I feel tiers don’t matter unless you’re at a super high level of competition, and honestly I think I would personally go in the DK tier AND the “well played” “GGs”tier. I’m just trying to have fun and play for a long time. I’m not intentionally trying to tilt people (usually, but I do say OKAY if I’m shmoovin and feeling myself) but way too many people DC and get tilted when I beat their fox.

[@a2rhombus2]

This video is basically just "most people just wanna chill and play melee but a small few take it too seriously"

[@awesomedud3739]

Me a blue spacie main: sigh of relief

[@Thewildmanrules]

Agreed lmao

[@mrwvupersonguy]

Blue falcos where we at

[@CwuLacha]

Blue Falco is the move. Glad to know other men of culture exist out there

[@j-dizzle2946]

I usually dislike blue skins, some e force told me to play blue fox idk what happened.

[@Crzypengu]

Whenever I play Falcon I always go Pink. However I'm kind of there just for a good time.

[@Kitth3n]

Yeah Ive always thought of pink falcon as the fun/silly one throughout all of smash

[@Crzypengu]

@@Kitth3n Part of me wants to classify him as one who wants to fight Breast Cancer. I mean have you seen his nipples?

[@levonschaftin3676]

"can and will rage quit immediately" is this a personal attack

[@ThatWolfArrow]

Blue color players are so chill because it's the color of the water tribe

[@FordFourD-aka-Ford4D]

As a Green Sheik, so far this is *100%* on point lmao 🤣 Edit: As a Green Zelda tho, you buggin lol 😂 I play her the most and I have literally never quit out on anybody ever. I'll play with you forever lol

[@DrewZGmusic]

Blue Fox here! Thank you for the recognition! I understand Fox is very ridiculous, so I do my utmost to show my opponent respect and keep their spirits high if I run them over a bit And I always say ggs well played And sorry gotta go if I have to leave after one game or even like in the middle of one Normalise that shit, it feels good to do and recieve

[@djspencerduh]

The switch to flacon when you think they’ll go fox is next level read. Best part of the whole video 😂😂🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@AlexRoseGames]

this list is so good. my girlfriend was watching me watch this like "I don't get it, it's just the colour?" and I was like, you just don't get it until you play slippi. I called out like 7-8 of your picks exactly before you called them, was so funny watching her face

[@sergioserna3544]

I play ganon for absolutely no other reason than to look like a low skill idiot that looks like he just gets lucky with stray aerials and people usually quit after 1 game. Very satisfying

[@saxamophone76]

Wow, Toph certainly has so much integrity for putting Green Fox in this tier instead of this tier. Yes, this is my honest opinion and I thought of this comment myself.

[@Nikkerman]

Blue fox is the epitome of if anything they're trying to tilt you, they all have insane tech skill and they live to not let the other player play the game

[@TMFisms]

As a Blue Puff player, 100% agree with this list. I will one and done if I have to go make dinner or something, but generally down to just play sets and let you rotate all you want lol.

[@Lynx11364]

I have a few points I’d like to add: - Pink Luigis and Dark Blue Yoshis are a lot like Green Fox, their salt level is all over the damn place. - Green/Brown and Blue Mario are both in the “Well mannered. . . UNLESS you’re playing Falcon” tier. - Green DK and Blue Bowser sometimes take themselves too seriously. They both probably belong in the “stay begrudgingly” tier. - This is barely even a serious point I’m making, but some Red Marths are community elders who are old enough to be Ken fans, and they are probably in a deep catatonic chill level beyond stoner tier, maybe even their own level of chill purple.

[@BB0YThomas]

As a new player one thing i noticed in unranked is that people leave when i take a stock even tho they see i suck. I'm always like bruv.... if you stayed a minute longer you would've absolutely destroyed me XD

[@puunk_9240]

I'm a Yoshi/Mewtwo main and I have gone for multiple very long sessions where I never disconnect and I always let the other person decide when we are done, and I always say "ggs, good luck". With that established, I will say that I think there is a very specific tier that is very real that needs to added: Comic book villain tier. They aren't toxic in a super mean or hostile sense, but they kind of act like an antagonist in an almost charming way. I'd say some mewtwo players go there, some game and watch players go there, some bowsers go there, and for some reason the DKs that show up in the doubles lobbies could also be in that tier.

[@zachariemelanson485]

My thought on ICs is a lot of them played to tilt you, and when it doesn't work they get salty. But then banning wabbling filtered a lot of them out so now it's more of a balance

[@slicksiwik7607]

While watching this I ran into a ganon as sheik who immediately Rage quited when I queued up with him lmao

[@trollof229antthevariable9]

I do get tilted by Captain Falcons but I met a really cool one. He just wanted me to show him my moves. I got some combos off and he slowly ratcheted up his skill level until I was impressed.

[@TheAvenger1171]

Nice

[@sam.lipchutz]

Why do so many people hate falcon. I love fighting falcon with every character but Yoshi

[@jayandjlps8022]

In Melee, NASB and Smash Ultimate one and doners make me so angry. Especially when I was learning their habits, yet I couldn't use my knowledge against them to prove that I was better. Makes me so angry.

[@oceanwaves83]

They scared

[@Andy251153]

I don't think I've ever left until I've played 5 rounds or character cycle

[@lanexyz]

“There’s too many colors”

[@joed9514]

Daisy main and total salt lord, ya got me

[@undercoft7756]

Because daisy is in a different tier than peach it means she has more differences in melee vs ultimate

[@Goreblender]

I play falco and for me, every single person is "can and will rage quit immediately" except for marth who is here to have a good time

[@Yvs8962]

My hard read on Marths that I beat as a spacie is they do not stick around cuz they are sweet and homie, but cuz they know if they stick around long enough my hands will crap out on me and they can kill me at 20 and win games and get the tilt train rolling. They might also just be chill, but this is my head canon cuz every Marth I beat eventually just camps the corner/ledge and communicates clearly that they dont plan to try beating me with real fundies, they just hope I get bored, approach and mess up, and they can cheese some free stocks.

[@mattneale1333]

I think you're approaching this from a very fox/high tier perspective. As a green Luigi, I would move everyone up a tier and move the fox/falcos up even more. They hate us man.

[@mattneale1333]

also super agree about Kirbys!

[@kylebeirne9591]

aye toph im BigBodyBigBandz in chat and i had a ton of fun on this stream! it happened on my birthday and it was super cool to get to spend it chilling and chatting with y'all!

[@_Majunior]

The falcon switch to Fox is so fucking true lmao

[@ElSSBM]

in my experiences. Marth players as people are sweet as hell but when you play them they are tryna tilt you. I also secondary Kirby but only for either bming or just to chill cuz it is fun.

[@alexheathcote8925]

Feel like green puffs are here to have a good time, neutral is will play a few begrudgingly and crown puff is here to tilt you. Hbox fans are here to play soke melee, neutral puff players are actual puff players and are therefore slightly saltier like marth players but without the falcon hatred and crown puff are old mango fans that are only trying to hit tech chase rests

[@Yvs8962]

I play White Fox and I can confirm I am (sometimes) toxic on Unranked, but often enough to contribute to the stereotype LOL Also HARD DISAGREE on all Ganon's being sweet. Majority of the Ganons I play get hella salty and are BM win or lose. One and done when they win when I'd usually start bopping them once I remembered how to play the MU and stop falling for double jump stomp. When they lose theyre the type to triple "lol" me, switch to (always my color) Fox and try to do the whole "Im better with your character/theyre braindead" thing, and the other day I was having a close 2 stock match with one then shine spiked him at low % and he quit out, hit me with the triple "Too good" and left. Also I find it awesome how you said Blue Puff is chill cuz one of the only Blue Puff's Ive ever played followed me on Twitter and DM'd me saying we should play more sometime and my Fox is sick 😊💕

[@delrioway6]

As I white fox, I am just here to play serious matches, and have never fired salty messages...But your placement is absolutely accurate. Most toxic fox color by far.

[@mhicj2827]

Okay, so, on Ganon, I have never played two games in a row against a ganon, I play Falco and Marth for context and I have literally NEVER play against the same ganon twice in a row. They up to one and done tier for me.

[@Space_Lion]

Integrity: immaculate edit: had the dk name discussion with friends like a week ago, nintendo really fked around and named a gorilla "donkey"

[@dog3504]

That idea for a new vídeo with the matchup chart and having a guest is a fire video idea.

[@VisaCardholder]

The few times I've played ICs they were soooo salty. Maybe it's just the same dude over and over lol. A little sad you didn't rank every color of Falcon... I play Red. I think I'm in the "super chill unless you switch to Sheik" lol. I always hit people with the well played or that was fun. I'm trying to level up and be respectful. We all play the game to have fun. Can't we be nice, too?

[@AlexRoseGames]

yeah most ICs I've played are gigascrubs who only play for the wobble even though it's banned throughout most tournaments now, and if they finally get it they d/c afterwards and post "lol" "lol" "lol" "lol". I have never seen an ICs play game 2

[@VisaCardholder]

@@AlexRoseGames I finally played a good one a week or so ago. It was actually a TON of fun. Handoffs, short wobbles. He punished me a ton in the neutral. Hope that trend continues. I've also fought those lol lol lol people. I don't get it.

[@spimbles]

ive seen some good ICs players on unranked. solid gameplay and good sportsmanship from several of em. seems like some bad luck yall have with those guys, honestly

[@Evannyo]

This list is so cathartic, I play puff and the amount of insta ragequit spacies, marths and shieks really blow my mind. You land a upthrow rest (or really any rest) on them because of terrible spacing on their first stock is a 50/50 leave right there or reset games until it doesn't happen, which is such a nothing, infuriating mindset.

[@yurplethepurple2064]

Omg I killed someone off a grab at super low % for free and they’re mad????? So toxic

[@aa-ti7jl]

in my experience, the toxic characters are fox, falco, and marth. other characters are varied but generally good mannered.

[@Yvs8962]

Peach’s are hella toxic

[@sam.lipchutz]

You know green is a cool guy color because all of Plup’s secondaries are green

[@l14m16]

Nah nah the red puffs ALWAYS quite out on my yoshi

[@jakelarson9830]

Toph: "marth will play but begrudgingly" Me: "yeah thats fair, there are some times that I" Toph: "EXCEPT BLACK MARTH! THEY SALTY AF!" Me: "...now I'm salty!....and proving your point...well played"

[@jonathansaraco]

I feel like Zelda needs another placement just for Sheiks that switch to her. I've played a few Sheiks who will switch to Zelda to try to BM. Like they're saying you're so bad they can just spam nairs and fairs and you'll lose. Even if I'm beating their Sheik or staying competitive some Sheiks will do this.

[@sycophant8470]

funny enough the yoshi player in my local was the most toxic in our scene to the point he got banned

[@deganmccloskey3230]

As a doc main I wish you would’ve left him in the “well played” “ggs” cuz I really try to play as much as people want and always at least say ggs before leaving.

[@AllYourRAw]

Same

[@CharlotteMimic]

I play Ness a lot (neutral) and I'm always in "trying to tilt you" tier. Beating people with Ness is 1000% sweeter than any other win, especially because sometimes you can see people tilt off the earth when you beat them. Ofc some foxes just shit on me but that's just what I get for playing Ness lmao

[@CharlotteMimic]

Oh yes, so happy about the last-minute change to Ness

[@SnoopyDrew]

As a blue fox I appreciate being appreciated for just wanting to have fun.

[@invalidssb]

26:54 true for when I play Green Marth I have never practiced chain graving at all

[@oh_gosh]

I play Gold Roy because my retired buddy beat me in a color battle for him and once he retired he re-bestowed me the ability to play him. I only play Golden Roy against people who are very new or also playing a low tier and being chill. :)

[@shaan__real]

As a puff player, i will never rage quit unless the connection is genuinely horrible, because ive been disconnected frame 1 to many times too count. Also kinda funny how half the skins i use are either super chill or toxic as shit

[@Yvs8962]

Usually down to play Puff even if she can be annoying. Only time Ive ever quit out on Puff was one time when in our first match as soon as it started they immediately B-lined for the nearest ledge and just refreshed on it for 20 seconds straight without even trying to get a lead first. Some people clearly only go on Unranked to be annoying and to try to ruin peoples day from a safe distance. Only thing I wont bother dealing with.

[@shaan__real]

@@Yvs8962 literally i fought one like that fairly recently. I took the footage and sped it up to History by Most Def and posted it to yt lmfao. They were definitely trolling

[@fleskorefrog]

As a green marth: chaingrabbing is hard and im working on it but damn if im not having a good time doing back airs and approaching aerials

[@cjkmelee]

green marths are hella chill

[@iswiftyfox8997]

This shit be looking like a GW2 tier lisg

[@LiquidenSSBM]

Ok with roys i think that there are 2 types of roy mains The dog water ones The chill ones who just wanna hit cool clips And the prideful ones who KNOW they are better than you and they express that openly

[@LiquidenSSBM]

Default and maybe gold roys are cool wanna hit combos Green roys are dog water And red roys are prideful zain wannabees Nobody plays blue roy

[@nickh7681]

Blue Falco here, definitely true. I'll play through all my secondaries if you swap off your main

[@mayzedongthought1917]

Remembering the time I got on unranked against a pink flacon and he saw I was playing puff exited spammed lol and left. Not match.

[@noyd4172]

I play yellow Kirby just for fun (Samus main) and I call him the grapefruit.

[@chichechich99]

As a gg -> well played blue falco, obviously agree with that evaluation. I will add that the "I just rage switched to falco" neutral falcos are distinctly NOT here to have a good time

[@WTFA54]

I'm vanilla sheik and I'm always a "that was fun" to "well played" to "ggs"

[@rainbowgg___]

as a sheik main, i agree with Ganon, but we can add neutral falcon noobs in there and certain spacies if i'm on with tech chasing

[@rainbowgg___]

side note this is one of my favorite tier lists and I play so much unranked i understand it soooo well. Coming from a mainly sheik lens, plus i do a lot of bottom 10 characters

[@e50013]

As an 0-2er but occasional 1-2er my neutral falco and blue fox are definitely just here to have a good time

[@dadunddddd]

Im usually super chill and well mannered but when my pikachu gets OBLITERATED by Falcos, I feel dead inside..

[@Carcat25]

Red Falcon is 100% If anything they're trying to tilt you. Excluding Wizard hat Pikachu, Pikachu is in SUPER chill but they dc if you pick Sheik. (Matchup is legit hell imo) As a blue peach. Perfect. Ice Climbers are psycho tier. They act nice, but would wobble you in a second if the rules changed. Yoshi is well mannered unless you pick falcon. Ness is consistently toxic.

[@Yvs8962]

Lol Its funny you say that cuz Ive run into ICs that seem chill at first when games are close or going back and forth, but when I start heating up and 3 stocking them they'll get obviously salty and start wobbling me, sometimes to like 500% 😂

[@pkness5220]

Toph u have so much integrity for putting green fox in this tier and not that tier

[@TalonsII]

As a white luigi I run into 5 people in a row who will either quit out immediately or rage quit after two stocks before I run into someone who's down to just keep playing. I never quit out first but god do I want to against literally any Marth.

[@Suavu]

As a Blue Ness main I can assure you I'm just trying to surprise everyone with some sick tech and combos. Most Nesses if anything are trying to tilt you if they're good. If not they're Satan.

[@tcbobb.8782]

FINALLY A RELEVANT TIER LIST

[@ZombieKitty321]

The black marth thing ive acctualy never thought about at all till you said this (i play black marth for context) but i am also kinda a perfectionist when i play marth so idk you might be right.

[@MrMattacka]

Integrity means that you do the right thing to matter the circumstances, so I believe that putting green fox up there is disingenuous and compromises your integrity.

[@andybilyak]

Place green fox wherever the hell you want toph. You're the competitive melee player

[@danielmango1806]

I know you specifically said “just cause your character happens to be in this tier…it says nothing about you”. Yeaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh