I've been getting comments about when I said 'topres aren't as sharp or strong as cherry mx browns. Let me explain.... It was a weird wording that got misunderstood (and I can completely see why, whoops, I'm sorry about that) I also didn't know Cherry MX Browns aren't tactile though, I've always seen the marketing for those that always advertised them as such aha... So when I said that browns were sharper/stronger than topres, I was talking about the bump feeling. Browns feel very linear to me, but the bump at the bottom feels... sharp, a strong feedback, it feels like it's trying to poke you back with the springs. I think the sudden force bottoming out is why I commented that they're sharp and strong compared to topres. Which is the opposite, the tactile bump of topres is in the middle and feels more drawn out, not to mention that they're rubber domes, which is 'mushier' (not in a bad way) and gentler. Topres definitely have a stronger bump than browns, it's just the 'strong sharpness' of that bump isn't as powerful as cherry mx browns (at least to me, personally). I find browns pretty unpleasant to type or play with because it feels like they're out to stab my fingers. That's all!
@lmaolol694 жыл бұрын
Thanks for clearing it up, was a bit confused when you said cherry mx browns
@zetifyy34554 жыл бұрын
Thank you makes it a lot clearer
@MaypleFlower4 жыл бұрын
Yeah that was me. Just wanted to make a joke out of it because I knew people would find it funny. I understand what you mean now though and I am very sorry!!!
@EasternMetals4 жыл бұрын
browns are marketed as tactile but are just sandy reds
@cinna78144 жыл бұрын
I don't think that is any fault of your own. Cherry browns are tactile but there is a stigma/running joke that they aren't tactile at all and that's in no way your fault or true. People go into them expecting a super tactile switch and are disappointed when that isn't what they are. As you said though, contrary to what people say, browns do have a sharp bump when they actuate. After using both, Topre is definitely more rounded compared to browns and isn't as sharp as you had said. I still think you are in the right and it is more so the people who haven't tried alternatives who are mistaken.
@sandarai4 жыл бұрын
ah, i love it when you say 'sample text' at the beginning of every video! makes me feel so at home
@tokaku4 жыл бұрын
I FORGOT OKAY
@cheezclump4 жыл бұрын
@@tokaku imagine editing text in 2020 😤🙄🙄🙄
@thatgabguy96154 жыл бұрын
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@AlexSchendel4 жыл бұрын
@@tokaku it's okay, it's a meme now! 😂 Besides, we know that you would otherwise put "hewwo everybody ^_^"
@blizrd44094 жыл бұрын
Yes
@MaypleFlower4 жыл бұрын
tokaku: "There's definitely a tactile feedback but it's not as sharp or strong as let's say... cherry mx browns" r/mk: oh no
@Gornius4 жыл бұрын
Wait Cherry MX Browns are tactile?
@zetifyy34554 жыл бұрын
Lol Mx browns
@Frugelel4 жыл бұрын
@@Gornius yeah but they suck if you want tactile.
@aaclovern98044 жыл бұрын
Browns are my favourite linear switches!
@Lem0nwtf4 жыл бұрын
@@Frugelel joke
@cryoneve78714 жыл бұрын
ow no. "hewwo everbody" got replaced with sample text. QwQ
@stopit-stahbit22763 жыл бұрын
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@imaperson95823 жыл бұрын
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@lol-ws6po3 жыл бұрын
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@Inn0IWNL3 жыл бұрын
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@Ravalo3544 жыл бұрын
2:55 "There's definitely a tactile feedback but it's not as sharp or strong as let's say... cherry mx browns" r/mk: *loads gun*
@ghoulboards4 жыл бұрын
Have used cherry mx browns, can confirm that they're linear switches
@mw2blackopsamazing3 жыл бұрын
Yeah was she joking or what
@Kokoboro4 жыл бұрын
Lube the sliders and stabs it will make a huge difference for typing feel.
@erenmuse583 жыл бұрын
yeah, have fun doin that
@hw.lds083 жыл бұрын
have fun lubing electrocapacitive switches lmao gonna take you a few weeks
@nymbus11114 жыл бұрын
2:55 More importantly what is that alien mouse you have?!?
@CJSKB4 жыл бұрын
idk but the one in front is the logitech g302 daedalus prime *dont buy it its 5 years old*
@edherman76524 жыл бұрын
some cheap chinese mouse maybe Rexus
@leagy4 жыл бұрын
@@CJSKB *don't buy it because second hand it's pricey
@marshi46833 жыл бұрын
@@CJSKB The G302 is a great mouse even today. It has an amazing shape for claw grip users.
@CJSKB3 жыл бұрын
@@marshi4683 It is, but there are many more options that are better and cheaper
@Aelith7664 жыл бұрын
0:32 actually the spring barely causes any tactility and is just used to sense keypresses together with the PCB. 7:30 I found Topre switches to be bad for rhythm games because they are actually pretty heavy. While they have a peak force of around 45g, that tactile bump is very drawn out and thus you have to use quite a bit of force to get over it.
@tokaku4 жыл бұрын
oh right, I forgot to edit that part of the video. I realised afterwards that the spring doesn't cause it, it's the domes themselves. I think?
@Aelith7664 жыл бұрын
@@tokaku Yep! It's the domes themselves. People have even made replacement domes for Topre keyboards that have different tactility.
@paowaow3 жыл бұрын
The tactile feel of topre actually comes from the rubber domes, not the springs. The springs in topre keyboards are purely an electrical component used for recognizing key presses.
@justinvfernando3 жыл бұрын
A correction. The tactility of Topre switch or any rubber dome is not from the springs. The tactility comes from the rubber dome itself. There is a modification to improve tactility for topre switch. It is the BKE Redux domes.
@nanimuwu4 жыл бұрын
"tactile feedback is not as sharp as, lets say cherry mx browns" Dafuq when i tried mx browns i thought:"why is this red switch so scratchy?"
@absolutelynothing14244 жыл бұрын
3:20 Me typing an essay right befire it's due
@maybeoptify3 жыл бұрын
Yeah i would assume that you would be typing if you're writing an essay
@cartoonknight4 жыл бұрын
This is a mechanical keyboard, there is no membrane layer than is used for the actuation, as you mention, it actuates before bottoming-out which membranes cant do. Just because it uses a rubber dome doesn't make it a membrane keyboard, and I also don't understand how you're gonna say that it doesn't actuate reliably- these are meant to be one of the most reliable key switches of all time. I just feel like you really didn't do your research before making the review which seems common for your channel.
@valedictorias4 жыл бұрын
3:36, me at 11: 59 when the essay is due tomorrow
@terabyteultra16734 жыл бұрын
Topre is probably one of the most controversial switches. It uses rubber domes, which are almost always attributed to membrane keyboards. However, Buckling Spring (which is considered to be a mech switch) uses a membrane as well.
@LeafyGrovyle2 жыл бұрын
Buckling Springs aren't considered mechanical. It's just most people thought it was
@Poopio4 жыл бұрын
I bought rubber bump on feet for my HHKB, I don't like the HHKB layout for gaming, I like the Realforce TKL more for gaming. If you really love the Topre Switches you can always order the MX conversion kit so you can use normal keycaps, but you do have to order a special stabilizer for the spacebar which is pretty spendy, but I do love being able to use any keyset I want, but I wouldn't recommend doing that unless you love the HHKB and plan on sticking with it. I did it because it is my keeb I take to work. I can link if interested.
@ethanoux104 жыл бұрын
Topre switches are mechanical. Just because the use rubber domes for the tactility and return force does not mean that they're not mechanical. Topre boards have a PCB and are capacitive, making a standard membrane rubber dome look like a joke in comparison
@wobbled56092 жыл бұрын
It's somewhat incorrect to describe this as 'not being a mechanical keyboard' when most people refer to mechanical keyboards as something that isn't limited by cheap printer circuits that are limited to 2-3 key rollover. The HHKB uses a capacitive PCB & conical spring combination which has inherent N-Key Rollover and can accurately be described as being mechanical. It is not merely 'just a rubber dome' The conical spring also provides absolutely no feeling to the board - that is solely the work of the weighted rubber dome and smooth sliders.
@JonoCosta4 жыл бұрын
I like how the name implies malicious uses however tokaku jus be playing Osu! With it lol
@nathangenre15854 жыл бұрын
_s_*a*_m_*p*_l_*e* _t_*e*_x_*t* s on the subtitle always get me offguard 😂
@sudochmodx37524 жыл бұрын
Previously on r/mk: Cars and KEyboards tokaku: "There's definitely a tactile feedback but it's not as sharp or strong as let's say... cherry mx browns" r/mk ah yes the next trend will be memes about tokaku
@lmaolol694 жыл бұрын
Oh no tokaku really didn't just say "a tactile feedback thats not as strong as let's say cherry mx browns"
@natearw4 жыл бұрын
which is definitely not true lmao
@tokaku4 жыл бұрын
I couldn't find the words to put it, cherry mx browns feel linear to me until the end of the press which would be this... sharp? sudden? weird bump like you're pushing against this bump that wants to poke you back. Hence 'sharp'
@natearw4 жыл бұрын
tokaku i personally cannot feel any sense of tactility and browns, ig topre has tainted me
@mw2blackopsamazing3 жыл бұрын
@@tokaku I'm about to blow up
@gudetamagang4 жыл бұрын
I love the more frequent uploadsss
@artkrub74 жыл бұрын
I have the same opinion on this. I prefer typing on Topre (I use realforce 30g) rather than mx red any day in a week. However, I would pick cherry keyboard for music game. Topre has a high actuation/release point so jackhammer is hard to do on them. You have to release almost all the way to press them again.
@Nitradoz3 жыл бұрын
For anyone still wondering, yes this is geohot's keyboard.
@Romandy134 жыл бұрын
3:30 love that editing for the screen.
@not_vinkami4 жыл бұрын
0:00 “sample text” Me: nice
@walnutdbd57243 жыл бұрын
You mistyping so much at 3:37 made me so happy to know I’m not the only one who has no idea where my number keys are
@shapeless84 жыл бұрын
i wrote a review about topre switches for the etterna subreddit and i like that my conclusions are the same as yours. good for typing but horrid for rhythm games. it should be noted that the HHKB has a polling rate of 125hz with the stock controller - you can buy an aftermarket one but it doesn't amend the problem very well. also, release timings are messed up because of the way the topre switch works, which means LNs in o!m or minedodge in etterna will not work with a topre keyboard.
@yesrooster7624 жыл бұрын
2:36 YOOO IT'S AN ALCATROZ MOUSE. I bought one for like 2 dollars and it has survived 7 years
@pem73114 жыл бұрын
“Sample text”
@lettucelemonade38254 жыл бұрын
agreed with everything you said about topre and OSU, actually really interested too use the knock off topre now, or change my domes for my topre to a different weight to see how that would go
@dayglass4 жыл бұрын
i like the sample text that reoccurs in videos once in a while
@bobbynooby4 жыл бұрын
Ah yes youtube gods bless me. I open yt and the first thing i see is tokaku video
@mikuu72854 жыл бұрын
I love your videos totaku
@miniman31124 жыл бұрын
That's a pretty interesting sponsor for once! Edit: I mean compared to VPNs/audible/online courses and such, your other sponsors are very cool as well of course :p
@thesyncronisedgamer4 жыл бұрын
Is it just me or have i only now noticed joylene's pinky finger (when doing the test with sound voltex)
@nyathannyuwen80844 жыл бұрын
I actually think blues are better than speed because the tactile bump gives you a more clear area of where to stream without bottoming out. Just my opinion tho.
@willtato87784 жыл бұрын
I have the hhkb hybrid type-s. It doesn't even come with a cable! It's definitely an improvement in many factors over the previous generation
@miwiki64 жыл бұрын
while they have all these modern keyboards i have a normal keyboard but a gaming mouse! (i got it in Christmas 2016, AND IT'S STILL PERFECT OMFG)
@Seacle143 ай бұрын
Why would people use the delete key more than the backspace key?
@mahiru20ten Жыл бұрын
0:00 *sample text*
@dotapark4 ай бұрын
Every time I see the videos on HHKB it sounds like something fit to me, but the price is just, so high even for a used ones 😂
@theycallmezent99584 жыл бұрын
does mechanical keyboard under 30$ exist? i really need a better keyboard but my parents wont really buy me stuffs becuase they think this keyboard (membrane) is fine and its still not broken. I cant even get a decent score on osu TwT
@jbed64 жыл бұрын
that typing test was just a fat flex in disguise
@hhmmm33143 жыл бұрын
If torre switches are less tactile than my browns like she says then they're linear with no tactile bump
@zaraniph4 жыл бұрын
Just a warning for any US buyee customers, EMS international shipping is down meaning the only other available shipping method is either DHL or seamail. These are significantly more expensive and will take much longer to arrive at your door.
@vivid_xyz4 жыл бұрын
The cable actually is mini USB, not micro USB. That's because the keyboard can also be used as a USB hub :) Also, the keyboard Squashy talked about (Niz Plum) is *not* a "knock-off". It's just another electro capacitive keyboard, but I wouldn't call it a clone or something, since it is pretty different from the HHKB/Topre switches.
@tokaku4 жыл бұрын
interesting! never knew, I had an idea it was inspired and their switches are similar but not the 'original'
@katamus4 жыл бұрын
what is that thing above the keyboard with the knob at 0:27 ?
@sipsip33184 жыл бұрын
Membrane keyboard, laptop, or mechanical/clicky keyboard?
@tokaku4 жыл бұрын
laptops are better because they use scissor switches, although some of them have terrible N key roll over so please test and watch out
@noeruchangd4 жыл бұрын
shell out for gateron boards they feel really nice
@mollysandera9914 жыл бұрын
@@tokaku wait scissor switches are better than mechanical? Also that explains why i am faster in my laptop
@handsanitiser95234 жыл бұрын
Another Squashy and Tokaku collab???
@WaveTapper4 жыл бұрын
tokaku's typing speed : freedom dive level
@dxqx37943 жыл бұрын
I have the exact board Squashy used for his test. It is my favorite keyboard to use and is 100% better than original topre boards. Topre keyboards aren't designed to make you a fast typist and are notoriously bad for gaming. This is because they're designed to make typing easier not necessarily faster. I can easily type faster on MX, Opticals, hell even membranes. However I do not enjoy the typing experience and my hands fatigue quickly. With practice you can get faster with Topre switches but you'll still be faster on nearly anything else.
@lucasD39953 жыл бұрын
The motospeed keyboard seems nice, do you know what the product name is called?
@kyuu_094 жыл бұрын
bruh i have to use cherry silent reds cause roomates complain about sound, and it feels so mushy
@sorgair4 жыл бұрын
the plum switches (knockoff ones) are very light and feel linear (theyre like cherry speed silents basically), whereas topre has a hard bump
@RawrBag3 жыл бұрын
Have you tried hitting your keyboard properly and not slapping it on an angle so it slides all over your desk?
@vcxz40093 жыл бұрын
i have multiple topre keyboards and 2 topre clone keyboards and i can say 100% that topre clones are nowhere near as good as real topre my ranking (best to worst) would be this: 1. leopold fc980c 2. realforce 87u 55g 3. realforce hipro 104ug 4. hhkb 5. topre knock off switches in my opinion, topre clones feel pretty garbage in comparison to actual topre and are really nothing like the real thing.. topre knock offs feel a bit mushy and overall feel way less solid to type on and are a bit awkward feeling in comparison with real topre. do i hate the topre knock offs? no, but i would take an actual topre keyboard any day
@crownkaz6854 жыл бұрын
Good review
@XxaerothenutbarxX4 жыл бұрын
what kind of mouse is that the one with the nucleus one?
@ima444 жыл бұрын
I have the same feeling with topres when it comes to osu I just noticed not really feeling slower, but accuracy just dropped to the roof and and a lot of "fingerlocking" or late taps happen but yeah they feel godlike for typing
@miniman31124 жыл бұрын
Prepare for endless discussions on whether or not this is 'mechanical'!~
@maza85694 жыл бұрын
3:20 hackerman
@bomberday_ygo4 жыл бұрын
wait, they removed some keys and upped the price?
@freddiebensonstan70374 жыл бұрын
Holy shit that thumbnail is unbelievably good
@pickle46673 жыл бұрын
the happy keyboard kinda sounds like my gateron brown switches on my keyboard
@erniebarguckle4 жыл бұрын
I cannot do spinners because my desk is SHAKY and also my desk is too high so it hurts my back when I play kbm games so I kinda give up on playing osu until I get a different desk life is pain
@MasoHQlC5GW5btFZ4 жыл бұрын
bro cherry mx browns are so t a c t i l e
@vexsimp3 жыл бұрын
2:56 MX Browns XD
@grqfes2 жыл бұрын
2:37 is that a shidenkai? lets goo
@purrfectcatto4 жыл бұрын
The sound test is the most satisfying portion
@masked71934 жыл бұрын
Hey tokaku if you really want good things for rhythm games, get a mechanical keypad with switches of your choosing. Just a small recommendation
@bmo37784 жыл бұрын
I saw Gandadore Mira-chan on quaver gameplay there
@40ounces4 жыл бұрын
every time tokaku mentions not being paid for a sponsorship I die a little inside...bro you deserve so much more
@rafagibran61544 жыл бұрын
can I play sdvx on my notebook? can I have the link for that?
@ListonCS24 жыл бұрын
What font do you use for your subtitles??
@fleureka79914 жыл бұрын
wow i'm early for tokaku's video for once
@wendyyates71983 жыл бұрын
What was that song in quaver?
@sandoitchi39964 жыл бұрын
Can you help me My quaver wont open idk why
@ninjatunar45194 жыл бұрын
ah yes sample text what a great way to start the video😎😎
@hisogum30454 жыл бұрын
Good video my man
@anhvunguyen1584 жыл бұрын
i love the new hewwo everybody text at the bottom
@jaspercowan66713 жыл бұрын
every single video starts with hewo ewibodi
@terrol31644 жыл бұрын
You could probably get used to the weird actuation with some practice, but then again there's not much reason to use these over linear switches for rhythm games
@humansweredesignedforbikes4 жыл бұрын
I also have an HHKB Pro 2, and I also find that it's difficult to play osu with. Not sure exactly why.
@VanirGod3 жыл бұрын
are blue switches good for quaver
@_Kruma4 жыл бұрын
And well whos is best keyboard "not mechanical or mecanical keyboard"?
@velldurn55784 жыл бұрын
Can you try Alp switches.
@twojstarynachlany4 жыл бұрын
7:00 map?
@miniman31124 жыл бұрын
rubbre domay~
@rynne71534 жыл бұрын
Rubbreh domeh!
@sherrimooncat83684 жыл бұрын
You should try ordering super cheap gaming keyboards from taobao and see what you get
@jakbu4 жыл бұрын
faster writing but no arrow keys?
@UrbanJackJr4 жыл бұрын
>browns >Tactile
@poggatura4 жыл бұрын
You really got tzechi to play speed of link on taiko lol
@sunburnedshirts37243 жыл бұрын
wheres the arrow keys??? you kind of really want arrow keys if youre using something that doesnt take mouse inputs (all linux terminal emulators)
@Lacter124 жыл бұрын
I need to hear more sample text
@kalenipclaw5683 Жыл бұрын
watch my face drop as i try to undo using this and instead feel my pinky hitting solid plastic
@prodigyhimself99864 жыл бұрын
WHATS THE TAIKO MAP?
@ek1ra4 жыл бұрын
You should play malody! Its a mobile rhythm game that you might like!