Shallow The Golf Club Vs Across The Line

[@garrywilcox2921]

Clay really enjoy your lesson, I'm in Mi. Its winter I try to hit 100 balls a week I take my sc 200 club caddie with me after your lesson on using the hips I went from 76mph club head speed to 84 with the 7i that's 140 to 151 yards incredible thank you.

[@TopSpeedGolf]

That's great Garry! Thanks for sharing. Keep up the hard work! Quentin | TSG Instructor

[@Badfinger4]

Great video Mr Ballard; you explained the how and why of shallowing better than anyone else I've ever heard. And that shot at 6:15 was pure a.f.

[@TopSpeedGolf]

haha thanks!

[@injuredtabletennisplayer1474]

Your swing...so pure.

[@TopSpeedGolf]

Thanks!

[@TTT-1961.]

Clay, I used to have a horrible problem with a severe angle of attack with the driver (in particular). At its worst, the attack angle was (gulp) minus 9 or maybe worse at times. My problem is compounded by a forward sway. I have generally fixed it BYU’s changing my set up. I now start by loading up on my back keg which is slightly bent. I have almost no weight on my front leg which stays stay. I start by being really loose and loaded up. When i start the down swing I shallow it out so the swing plane coming down is not on the same plane as when I am bringing the club back. Huge difference. My attack is now fairly neutral. It is not a positive attack angle yet, but I am getting there.. Your videos helped in me finding a way to shallow out the club and realizing that the swing going back and the swing going through the ball are not on the same plane. The net results have been very positive - longer, straighter, better trajectory etc.

[@TopSpeedGolf]

Hi, thanks for sharing. Sounds like you're on the right track. Keep up the great work! Quentin | TSG Instructor

[@elongatedmusket5630]

Absolutely crushed it with that laid off swing!

[@TopSpeedGolf]

😎

[@poppajack5332]

Awesome video here clay, after filming some of my shots from my last range session I could pick that I was slightly over the top in an almost "Wood Chopping" style, but it was so subtle. This week I decided to make some changes to my swing, shallowing the club and using your method of feeling like turning a motorcycle throttle to achieve that bowed wrist feeling as I start the downswing, I must say it worked very well, a lot straighter shots with a touch of draw, and seeing over 180MPH ball speed with range balls makes a nice sound with my M5 driver and brings a smile to anybody standing nearby. Keep up the great work

[@TopSpeedGolf]

Nice!

[@grantpopplewell38]

Hi Clay I had a terrible slice, Was very difficult for me to correct it, I eventually found to shallow my swing by bending my knees a lot more, this has helped me so much that I cut 8 shots off my handicap. Cheers I like your information

[@TopSpeedGolf]

Hi Grant, thanks for sharing. Sounds like you're on the right track. Keep up the hard work! Quentin | TSG Instructor

[@Hittingitsolid]

Great video Clay, awesome to get some clarity around the subject of shallowing, laid off and across the line. It's a confusing subject for many of us, but this really cleared things up. Cheers, Troy.

[@TopSpeedGolf]

Thanks!

[@paulstewart1772]

Hi Clay Great video hat would the fix be if the club was above the line ?

[@albertfebry]

You deserve more than 1 mil subscribers clay.. nice video as always

[@TopSpeedGolf]

Thanks!

[@paulpanamarenko]

Awesome explanation of shallowing. It is a hard concept to understand for most of us!

[@TopSpeedGolf]

Thanks!

[@andrewsmythe4224]

Thanks great video , great coaching

[@TopSpeedGolf]

Thanks!

[@MarkSmithhhh]

I always struggle with this, if I get flat or shallow i tend to whip it inside too fast, too much forearm roll, I come over the top...etc. I've tried to change it to make it more aesthetically pleasing but it just leads to chunking and slices like crazy....I feelnlike when I'm that far across the line I will always shallow it AND I have so much room to hit from the inside... it doesn't even feel possible to come down steep AND it forces me to slow down to let the club shallow and not get quick with my backswing...I guess it just depends on what you do naturally...downside is I basically can only hit a draw with across the lime

[@TopSpeedGolf]

Thanks for sharing Mark! If you have a longer swing then it's much easier. You have time to organize things. If the swing is short and across then it typically leads to a steep transition because their isn't enough time to shallow it out early. You'll have to make compensations later on to get the club back on plane which usually involves early extension. Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor

[@scottt3269]

Great tip, going to focus on this at the range today!

[@TopSpeedGolf]

Thanks!

[@johnnewell4383]

Thank you Clay you are the best instructor i have ever heard making sense of the golf swing and keeping things simple

[@TopSpeedGolf]

Thanks!

[@USCFI]

Great explanation.

[@TopSpeedGolf]

Thanks!

[@lbshim]

I noticed my swing is just like that. “Crossed the line at the top of the swing”. My driver is alright for a bi-weekly golfer.. straight with a reasonable yardage, but I will keep in mind that I don’t cross the line too much. 😀

[@TopSpeedGolf]

Sounds good! 👍

[@scottcov56]

Another great tip - thanks. I did take a video and it seems I need to shallow a bit more - and I think swallowing the club gives me more "pull" on the club. Is this the same for iron's as well? I've also noticed keeping my left wrist flat at the top of the swing helps me keep the club shallow. This allows the club NOT point so far over my head and more down the line I want to hit the ball.

[@TopSpeedGolf]

Thanks! Yes, this applies to irons too. Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor

[@kakarotkakarot177]

Don't understand why there are 11 dislikes, it's only another great video

[@TopSpeedGolf]

Thanks!

[@mattbrown4269]

It’s the Internet. There will be dislikes.

[@mattbrown4269]

Eureka moment: “As long as you give yourself time.” In other words, the more steep/across the line you are in the backswing/top of swing, the less rushed you need to be to shallow the club (eg Couples). So, across the line + quick tempo = no way to get back on plane before impact. The more laid off you are nearing the top, the more you can get away with a quick tempo (eg Rahm, Fowler). No prizes for guessing what results I get with a Nicklaus position halfway back and a Rahm tempo ...

[@TopSpeedGolf]

Thanks for sharing! Play well!

[@harryel-kara7712]

You are describing Ben Hogan downsing plane is Shallower than the Backswing Plane. Doesn't matter the position of the club on top of the swing 😉.

[@TopSpeedGolf]

Hi, thanks for sharing. Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor

[@monstergear49]

Good morning clay. I have a question. I have a hard time transitioning from driving to irons. So when my driver works my irons fail. And this goes vise versa. How do i keep everything where it all works together?

[@Johnnatheman]

Happens to me all the time. Trying to work on the transition, right now just gonna try using reminders on my bag, see if that helps.

[@gregoryjames7976]

I, use to, suffered from this too. A place to start and keep in mind. They are two different swings. Your set up and angle of attack on the ball are different for each shoot. A lot of really good stuff available. Better than I can convey in this post.

[@MikeJones-wk5kq]

.....conveying certainly appears to be an issue

[@TopSpeedGolf]

Hi John, mechanically, the swings between the two are really the same. The only difference is that you miss the ground and hit up into the ball with a driver and make ball first contact then hit the ground with the irons. It's the same swing but one hits the ground and one doesn't. If you think about it in this simple way then it should help. Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor

[@glennwatson3313]

I see what you are saying and I agree but that loop at the top makes me nervous. I feel like I am losing control of the club head.

[@TopSpeedGolf]

Hi Glenn, it may take some getting used to if you do something completely different right now. Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor

[@ernie1060]

I tend to get too under the plane and hit blocks or big hooks. I tend to drop my hands straight down in the transition. Any tips for getting less dumped?

[@TopSpeedGolf]

Hi Ernie, it's hard to say without seeing your swing but it sounds like you're sliding your hips instead of rotating. I would recommend focusing on pushing with the lead lead to open the hips in the downswing. Best of luck! Quentin | TSG Instructor

[@SunRider69]

I wish I would had this lesson 5 years ago.

[@TopSpeedGolf]

Thanks for watching!

[@bloatedsodium7301]

Clay, is it true that you must start your downswing with your hips in order to shallow out the club? I've read that if you start with your upper body, then it's virtually impossible to shallow the club.

[@TopSpeedGolf]

Yeah, if you start your downswing with the upper body then you'll usually come over the top. Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor

[@jeremydanforth4954]

Hey clay , I've been working on bowing the left wrist to square the club face. Wondering if strengthening the grip yields the same result? Or is there a downside I'm not seeing?

[@TopSpeedGolf]

Hi Jeremy, strengthening the grip won't likely give you the same result but it may make it easier to get that face squared up. Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor

[@danallan2]

Clay, even though I score pretty good, I have always and still have a lift and opposite rotation at the top. I just can't stop it. Suggestions?But HOW do you shallow it?

[@TopSpeedGolf]

Hard to say without seeing your swing. I would recommend checking out our many videos on "shallowing" in our channel. Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor

[@danallan2]

@@TopSpeedGolf I llok just like Clay at 7:24. I just can't re-route it under. Steep from there.

[@zenshengtan1153]

So how do we fix the "Across the Line"? I really don't like the across the line look in my swing.

[@TopSpeedGolf]

Here's a video that has a great drill to overcome this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJPakIqFr5tlhNE Best of luck! Nate| TSG Instructor

[@zenshengtan1153]

@@TopSpeedGolf Thank you so much!!

[@TopSpeedGolf]

My pleasure!

[@petterenglund3736]

Hey Clay! Thanks for the video! However, I have a question: When drawing my swing plane lines, my driver club head does indeed travel BELOW the red line, but my SHAFT is still more steep on the downswing compared to the shaft on my backswing. Does that make sense? Is that a problem? (Trackman numbers still says I'm hitting in to out with faced closed to path).

[@TopSpeedGolf]

Hi Petter, it sounds like you're coming down steep then standing up to get to plane to drop to the inside. It's hard to say without seeing your swing. If so, I would recommend working on getting it shallowed out so you don't have to stand up and flip losing compression. Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor

[@johnpulido5154]

Hey coach I have a question on your driving stance are your feet at equal pressure or do we have a little bit more weight on one side than the other as we are driving the ball? I hope this question makes sense LOL

[@UFBear15]

i'd imagine he'd tell you that you want it equal at stance and on your heels.. Then it's gonna shift from right foot in swing and back left coming down as your balance. One thing that's always helped me hit straighter bombs, don't let your feet get too active, especially that front heel. Just always feel yourself behind the ball at impact

[@johnpulido5154]

UFBear15 OK THANK YOU 🙏👍

[@TopSpeedGolf]

Hi John, balanced at address is good. Tour players on average have 55% in the lead foot and 45% in the trail foot. This is to help with a little momentum shift to the trail side to start the swing. Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor

[@johnpulido5154]

Top Speed Golf - Clay Ballard Ok Thank you I will let you know how I do on Sunday I’m only a once a week golfer Thank you 🙏

[@johnscott971]

Did Jack have early extention?

[@TopSpeedGolf]

no

[@tobybarker6808]

subbed!

[@TopSpeedGolf]

Thanks!

[@intentionaloffside8934]

The shallowing technique is different for almost every swing. David Feherty said Jim Furyk’s swing, “is like someone trying to kill a snake in a phone booth.”

[@TopSpeedGolf]

Hi, thanks for sharing. Play well!

[@liamburns8554]

But how do you shallow it??

[@ryanbobian1]

Sad you didn't drop a Matthew Wolff reference.

[@TopSpeedGolf]

😢

[@dannyjames9986]

man I just want to go play some golf but it won't stop raining.

[@TopSpeedGolf]

😐

[@janakpatel1557]

Great I am 69 but I am hitting much better I need little more confidence

[@TopSpeedGolf]

Keep on working on it and you'll get there. Best of luck!

[@jakeallen476]

If you watch matt wolff he's the best version of this.

[@tessagus2]

No he's not.

[@TopSpeedGolf]

Hi Jake, thanks for sharing. Hope you're playing great! Quentin | TSG Instructor