Torchwood: Miracle Day 4x1 REACTION!! "The New World"

[@BlindWave]

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[@lostfiresanimations6541]

The reason for people forgetting is RETCON in Torchwood season 1 they explain all this. And as seen here all evidence of the word Torchwood has been deleted. Why not images? Information in general, remember in the first episode where the information on Torchwood was deleted by Yanto?

[@violet7474]

I genuinely enjoy Miracle Day. It feels different, and I like it. The scale is huge, the performances are *incredible*, and it's great in terms of questions of morality and darkness.

[@zeallust8542]

Yeah i loved Miracle Day, the conclusion is a bit meh, but everything the series explores is great.

[@uosdwiSrdewoH]

Me too. I prefer Children of Earth as an overall story because Miracle Day doesn't quite wrap itself up as well. I suspect they decided to run with it because it was too good of an idea not to use and when else would they get the chance to tell this kind of a story in this way. It starts out and all you think about is how nobody can die but then you begin to wonder what the domino effects might be. Nobody dies. Population can only go up. Prisons become not only overcrowded but a life sentence becomes infinite. Resources can't hope to keep up. Then what? It creates so much to think about.

[@j-train13]

the photo of Jack is actually a still from "The Empty Child"

[@mr.scarlo2234]

Which is annoying, as they say that's him from 1939, when it's actually from the 1941. Let alone that someone was taking a picture can't fit into the episode.

[@pcgaming4944]

"Looks like a viking place".. still in Wales Aaron 😛

[@Wolf6119]

"Everything that happens to him happens to everybody!" Yup, that's a Calvin conclusion if I ever heard one alright.

[@zemoxian]

I was trying to figure out where he got that from. It seems like if that was the case, they would have showed a lot of people with mysterious injuries.

[@uosdwiSrdewoH]

That was definitely a unique hypothesis.

[@Wolf6119]

If there's one thing this series does pretty well, it's exploring the initial idea of nobody being able to die, I always thought that was handled pretty damn well in the beginning. It falls apart a little at the end when it tries to explain what the fuck is going on and falls flat, but on the whole the opening at least is pretty good.

[@theintelligenceagency3638]

I mean SCP End of Death did the same thing

[@mr.scarlo2234]

If you watch Everything Changes, that was what Suzie"s intentions were if Jack didn't find out.

[@abavendarlocke5455]

@@theintelligenceagency3638 Pretty sure End of Death was made after this, though.

[@npe9483]

I appreciate this series wasn't in the same league as Children of Earth, but the premise is interesting and at times it is a lot of fun, despite its flaws. If you pushed yourself through the trainwreck which was season one, then you can definitely sit through this.

[@sophiefilo16]

Yeah, season one had a few terrible or forgettable episodes and only a few good ones. The rest were in the middle. This is why I am not sure if I would count 1 or 4 as the worst season. Considering the drastically different styles, they are difficult to compare. Either way, 2 is still my favorite season...

[@zemoxian]

Quality is in the eye of the beholder. I’ve heard people say seasons 1&2 were the only good seasons and others say only 3&4. I think all the seasons have their merits.

[@LuvSlushie]

I’m sorry, but I can’t wait for my favourite Gwen line... “No. I’m Welsh.” *BOOM!* 👊🏼

[@JHarris533]

"This is so fucking American"... Sums up the entire season.

[@MatildyMatilduh666]

I remember watching Miracle Day with my sister and my dad, we enjoyed it. Looking back it’s not as good as Children of Earth but I don’t think it deserves the hate a lot of people give it.

[@mornnx01]

Yes it was shown on the bbc

[@TheGotenza]

mornnx01 only in the UK but it was a Stars production that aired on Stars in America

[@Payne2view]

The beach is Rhossili, not far from Swansea in South Wales. Also where New New York was CGI added in Dr Who. It was fun seeing the character's over reaction to the Severn Bridge. Your observation that everyone is attractive was telling too, since the production was American. American TV - Where all the good guys are attractive and under 50.

[@charuzu2895]

Eric also forgot about the stuff with the Daleks in Journey's End! I mean even that lady in Waters of Mars remembered that! I also remember daleks in the street and some people getting killed lol.

[@DiegoE02]

I really don't get the hate for Miracle Day. Yes, it's not as good as Children of Earth (can you blame them?) but it's still really enjoyable, and does a lot of interesting stuff with the premise.

[@MrDylancutter]

Exactly. The hate for it is bandwagon, boring hate. If people don't like this series, why are they spending their time watching people react to it?

[@telectronix1368]

Dylan C - "is bandwagon, boring hate" Or you could not be so dismissive of any reaction to TW:MD that is negative.

[@MrDylancutter]

Or I could continue to believe that the majority of hate for Miracle Day is by people that didn't give it a proper chance, and can't take change :D xxx

[@ebalao7062]

I think the majority of fans dislike Miracle Day for genuine reasons. Many had high expectations after the last series which is understandable and this simply means that Miracle Day didn't meet a majority of the fans' standards or expectations. It's fine if people like it (we're all different after all) but Miracle Day is expected to get criticised (and ended up getting panned) because of its Americanization and drastic alteration of what the series was which I think is justified. I mean it's no surprise that people were way more satisfied with Big Finish than Miracle Day.

[@MrDylancutter]

I was way more satisfied with MD, but then I don't enjoy Big Finish at all. Also, I'm fine with people disliking Miracle Day for being disappointing compared to COE, but there are so many people that say it's awful and not even worth watching, which is simply not true. Just because it's not AS good doesn't mean it's terrible.

[@danic9304]

I daresay it's been mentioned somewhere in the comments but just in case it hasn't: Starz were actually up for doing another series but Russell T Davies had to return to the Uk and slim down his commitments when his partner was diagnosed with a brain tumour.

[@JohnAShort]

No spoilers, but there is a big excuse coming (that you are about to watch) in the 2010 season of Doctor Who for why the population of Earth may not remember some of the big world changing events (that we have seen) in the Whoniverse.

[@christopherkraemer4023]

that i think was a pretty dumb decision on moffats part. But I like to think EVERYTHING went back to normal in the series finale. Including all the events that were "erased"

[@jessica-mh3os]

I love how they're wondering where Anwen's name comes from... Just Wales and their freaky words man

[@aidanschannel7183]

I don't think people don't believe in aliens or believe cover ups, it's just because imagine we had alien contact tomorrow, and on tv we all saw alien spaceships or whatever. Even then, if I was talking to someone and they said 'My job is fighting aliens', I would still be like 'Come again?'. So, for me anyway, Esther isn't necessarily shocked to hear about aliens, just that Jack combats them. Just because you hear about something once, doesn't prevent it being shocking if you hear it again.

[@obiwankenobi687]

It is true tho like we have MI5 people all over the place but if I met one of them I’d be genuinely surprised and fascinated and also confused

[@Bobzilla456]

It's set after series 5 of DW so would they even remember?

[@obiwankenobi687]

Bobzilla456 yeh everyone still remembers, but I’m pretty sure it was aired in the gap between the end of time and doctor who series 5 starting. There’s a certain moment in a certain episode long down the line of doctor who which pretty much confirms that certain events didn’t really alter anything substantially and that everyone still remembers previous alien invasions.

[@Bobzilla456]

Miracle Day was aired between A Good Man Goes to War and Let's Kill Hitler. I don't think they do remember all the previous invasions (although of cause it is not exact and was never entirely explained).

[@CaesiusX]

*Courtesy of the interwebs: Miniseries* min·i·se·ries ˈminēˌsirēz/ _noun_ A television drama shown in a number of episodes. A miniseries (or mini-series, also known as a serial in the UK) is a television program that tells a story in a predetermined, limited number of episodes. _So you're all correct._

[@MrMCIJ123]

Miracle day I personally think is pretty good. Also, I don't get this convenience thing Shane's going on about, how everything seems conveniently edited or in place to happen. I mean convenient shit always happens in shit like Game of Thrones, even Star Wars but he never complains about it, so why Torchwood? Also, about Eric saying she was shocked at the existence of the aliens, I don't think she was. I just think she was surprised that Torchwood was an alien hunting institute and the shock value of seeing Jack in the old photos.

[@dvader518]

In regards to them not knowing about aliens, it takes place in 2011 and The Eleventh Hour explains why they don’t know. Speaking of timeline placement, they got Gwen’s join fate wrong. Starting with Aliens of London and ending with Journey’s End, the present day of Doctor Who was a year ahead of reality. Gwen joined in 2007, not 2006.

[@PoissonVisageStudios]

Miracle Day was aired on BBC 1 as well as Starz. I watched it in the UK, when it aired, when I was like 12.

[@lostfiresanimations6541]

The reason for people forgetting is RETCON in Torchwood season 1 they explain all this.And as seen here all evidence of the word Torchwood has been deleted. Why not images? Information in general, remember in the first episode where the information on Torchwood was deleted by Yanto?

[@lelmdrWHO]

Miricle Day is my favorite Torchwood series! definately different and not as 'fun' as the rest of show, but it's my fave. so happy yall arewatching it! and now I'm all caught up to yalls reactions

[@sophiefilo16]

I don't hate this as much as others do, but why is this your favorite?

[@anonymes2884]

Not as 'fun' as "Children of Earth" ??

[@lelmdrWHO]

i mostly meant the first two seasons or doctor who. like Miracle Day is not a fun show, but it's damn good

[@lelmdrWHO]

I'm not completely sure why it's my favorite I just know I like watching it the most. I think it may be because I love Jack's story in it and I love his vulnerability. Like Captain Jack Harkness is one of my all time favorite fictional characters and to get to see more of his past and to see him stripped of what made him such stand out character and see what is left when knows he can actually die. And a time when basically everyone he loves is dead or beyond reach with the single exception of Gwen Cooper...who has moved on and has her own life now. I just find it extremely fascinating and compelling

[@anonymes2884]

"i mostly meant the first two seasons or doctor who" Ah OK, that makes more sense to me. "Children of Earth" is pretty bleak I think so you had me wondering what 'fun' meant to you ;).

[@MrDylancutter]

I'm glad you guys enjoyed this opener! Too long have people unfairly criticised this season. It's only because Children of Earth was so flawless that people compare it, and that's so not fair. It's a different season and should be judged on its own. Looking forward to more episodes, this season is truly phenomenal!

[@tomw4955]

hm went to BlindWave.net and there was never a link to the full length ep? Was curious to check it out.

[@ZakJordan98]

I didn't hate Miracle Day but i didn't love it either it had an interesting concept, somewhat interesting characters. I just found it boring and dragged out. It went on for way too long and it didn't feel like Torchwood anymore. It was turned into a Generic US Crime drama. Thank the lord for Big Finish for giving us Aliens Among Us (S5) which is a definite return to form

[@dustinheese]

I saw this on Starz and recalled it more like a movie. Didn't see any Doctor Who until The Crimson Horror, went back and watched all of Who, Torchwood, and Sarah Jane.

[@telectronix1368]

9:26 Although people can't die they can still feel pain and can sustain physical injuries. And they would continue to be hungry and thirsty (and it would be worse now since there'd not even be the chance to die and stop suffering). The logic doesn't really work but essentially "whatever parts of your body still exist will continue to be 'alive' " so the blast of an explosion can damage huge amounts of that guy's body but the parts that are left are not technically dead.

[@UncleMilo]

Really liked Miracle Day. It's my 2nd favorite Torchwood series.

[@PoissonVisageStudios]

Everyone seems to slag off Miracle Day, but I really love it. I prefer it to Series 1 and 2, although they're great too.

[@WSDigitalArtwork]

they did air it on the bbc but it was produced and also aired on starz

[@TheBS1000]

Do NOT get your hopes up with this season. I won't spoil anything for you, but you need to be warned that despite the very intriguing premise, this season was not executed as well as Children of Earth. This season was not very well received when it aired and the show was cancelled, making this the last season of Torchwood, unfortunately. As is the case with most shows that get cancelled quite suddenly, this season does not provide the most satisfying ending.

[@aidanvickery7308]

Best thing about that bridge, you only pay the toll in one direction. To go from England to Wales you pay but not when you go in the other direction :-)

[@Sodmylife36]

"I love pissing in the dark" a sentence that I never thought I'd hear.

[@octopus1992mv]

Nikki was the mum of Jonah the kid to got pulled through the rift and sent back

[@tallicafan85]

nice. i love this season....

[@liamcook2670]

15:38 calvin... you can't feel pain if you can't feel.

[@BadedasTheBlue]

The Severn bridge only charges when people leave Wales to enter England. Why is complaining that he paid to get there?

[@PoissonVisageStudios]

Yeah, Miracle Day's really different and American, when Torchwood used to be this really Welsh show and I'd have a problem with that if it wasn't really fucking good. It's such a great concept and they handled the reaction that the whole world has to the event perfectly.

[@shadowphoenix1696]

I liked MD it does have some good even great moments but it does have 2 problems which sums up all of the show problems 1. it did not need 10 episodes to tell this arc it allowed for to much BS. 2. the company wanted best of both worlds the dark tone of Torchwood but also a wider audience which just doesn't work as many TV/Movies/games have try and failed to do the same thing

[@EloImFizzy]

I agree with most people here in that I didn't really enjoy this season much, but lets be honest here, if Eric and Aaron could enjoy watching Inhumans, then they will have no problem enjoying this. xD

[@CaesiusX]

_"I like pissing in the darkness."_ ~Shane

[@JoshuaHillmanatorHillman]

It's called Buckingham palace

[@LudiXP]

I'm glad you guys are reacting to this. Even though I really dislike it and never want to watch it again, rewatching it in bitesize chunks with you guys will make it much more bearable lol

[@TheGotenza]

It’s funny because I know for sure if Eric lived in the doctor who World he would not believe in aliens at all. So him complaining about it is ironic

[@liamcook2670]

SuperNerdGavin no because there is too much evidence

[@mr.fandango6223]

Eric asks about why no one knows about aliens after all the invasions in Tennant's era of Doctor Who, they explain that in Series 5 of Doctor Who which airs before Miracle Day

[@NonsensicalSpudz]

And so it begins.

[@toonguy7739]

Personal opinion, while I'm not a fan of Children of Earth, it was development in the right direction. No real camp, actual darkness that doesn't feel forced and legitimate tragedy in what happens to Jack and the other characters. This feels like a regression, and a elimination of one of the USP's of the series (Namely, set in Cardiff which for a Welsh person is pretty important,, not many big drama series are set specifically in Wales) and makes it feel a lot more generic. Hope you enjoy this more than I did, though.

[@alex_gaimar]

Considering all the talk about the humanity not accepting the existence of aliens, I'm waiting for the reaction to DW 5x3, first of all.

[@SinematicClips]

the premise is great but it flops when it comes to small details, like rhys holding his daughter towards the chopper shooting at them instead of putting himself inbetween them and how did rex even call for back up and set up an entire ambush while in torchwoods company the whole time or gwen walking towards a gun fight against a chopper that could shoot back at any second for all she knows while holding her baby, if you're gonna write stuff about CIA/ alien spec ops you dont get to ignore the small details it just ruins the show, plus jack was never immortal, he literally dies just doesnt stay dead so the whole premise is actually fucked from the start you just dont realise it until the end of the series

[@WSDigitalArtwork]

thank you sooooo much for continuing this show iwas so worried because of bad press for miracle day that you would stop

[@pree381]

For some godforsaken reason, I was allowed to watch Children of Earth and Miracle Day back to back when I was ten and from then on my tolerance for violence was permanently skewed.

[@OtakuD50]

Bill Pullman. That is all.

[@aureliaansah1462]

Guns, guns, guns....This is America__n production.

[@DuoHaptism]

I hated miracle day, but loving your reactions.

[@Elnont]

I think Nicky was the bloke who shot Owen in that episode with Martha.

[@SuperKnuckels]

you guys ever watch Shelter? should do a reaction for that music video.

[@fizzystarsong]

Torchwood basically diverges from the Doctor Who timeline at this point.

[@aguyonyoutube9264]

Did I hear correctly? No episode next week? Why?

[@sophiefilo16]

No, you didn't hear it correctly. "We have another episode of Torchwood next week..."

[@Deception975]

Something like this happened in an alternate Marvel universe, called the Cancerverse.

[@Scribbles69]

Love this season

[@extraleague01]

This seasons as... Well, I enjoyed the 1st episode the most. Anyways, regarding people on Earth still not knowing about aliens... You will get an answer in few weeks... ;)

[@galonski64]

While This season did disturb me a little for how it done, I say it still on pare with the other season for how awesome Torchwood is.

[@dylanshadowstar9779]

Miracle day is amazing I wish more people would love it.

[@MellowGamer1999]

I like this series not sure which is better last or this season

[@DavidWright1138]

I don't think world hunger is a problem. We can just eat each other.

[@SlightChanceOfRaine887]

Huh, I'm going to have to give this show a watch

[@Wolf6119]

For anyone else wondering, Nikki was the mom of that kid who fell through the time vortex and got all deformed-looking and crazy, so they had to store him at the Torchwood facility on that island, and she found out what happened to him and chose to leave him behind, or something like that. Also, Anwen is just a traditional Welsh name meaning "fair" or "beautiful"

[@robvanriot]

Add me to the list of people who love Miracle Day. I really don't understand why people hate it. It doesn't quite reach the standard of Children of Earth, but it's way, way better than series one or two.

[@Craigy2818]

It was 10 episodes, running for 10 days, I'm pretty sure. It's a miniseries

[@CaliVsAk]

I love this season!

[@Pinxku]

I had hard time enjoying the S4 cuz i missed Ianto so much...!

[@Pinxku]

Great video keep going your great!

[@blakan1478]

hey guys i know this is not a viking reaction but pls pls pls watch ragnar lothbrok the choice i have been wating for u guys to drop that reaction ever since u finished season 4

[@Macapta]

well this is a suprise

[@TheOnijester]

The thing that makes this so much worse is that the people who died and still live now become walking (or not walking in some cases) disease factories. Add to this is it only humans affected, well humans not including Jack, or is it all life meaning trees keep growing and animals keep living?

[@mephamjohnson4422]

I feel Miracle Day is alright if you just don't count it as canon

[@mephamjohnson4422]

It just doesn't feel canon to me tbh as it's so different

[@biocapsule7311]

'Miracle Day' is along the lines of Doctor Who Movie... they somewhat try to retool the show for Americans market and it just doesn't work.

[@zemoxian]

Oh no. The animal discussion. I would definitely go vegetarian if the food was still alive... OTOH, would that mean ground beef wouldn’t turn that sickly gray color? No preservatives needed? I’m still confused about how strong the life force is. When the guy was decapitated, did his body die or continue to live?

[@gavinhenderson7250]

Man are they gonna be pissed after watching the final episode.

[@peterguy986]

Nikki Bevan from "Adrift". She was the mother of the guy that was taken by the Rift. When she witnessed him howling she essentially disowned him.

[@christianmh9549]

For me this was okay, the americanization of the show makes it kinda of boring IMO, but the concept of it is really interesting and I love it, the best moment for me are when they are talking and making plans about how to deal with a world of people that can't die and all the problems that comes with that. That is the most interesting part for me.

[@lukeevans6070]

Christian MH *All great shows ever are american*.....ok then

[@jackrichardson7020]

Luke Evans Neither this show nor Doctor Who is American. Black Mirror was originally British. Sherlock was British (the first two seasons are great).

[@Charizarzar]

Luke Evans A lot of US shows are great but there is such a thing as Americanisation.

[@kayleyhodson7079]

I'm curious, what about it being Americanized made it boring for you? Granted, I'm American and I'm used to this style of television, but I tend to find the crazy action gives it higher stakes

[@jackrichardson7020]

Kayley Hodson I think it’s just because there’s such an over saturation of those kinds of shows. Even when Torchwood was terrible it still had a distinctive tone and style, and Children of Earth managed to be large scale and cinematic without it. The explosions, the American actors and settings, Gwen having the makeup of a movie star. It all feels a touch obnoxious and very much not Torchwood. It’s just that really good, high profile British TV with international appeal (especially set in Wales) is hard to come by, and the Americanisation of this show also coincided with a drop in writing quality, so the two are associated. Also, Torchwood is obviously linked to Doctor Who, literally the most British thing on TV. The Americanisation of that universe in any way is kind of insulting. Thanks for asking, hope I didn’t offend in any way!

[@mismismism]

I don't get why people don't like Miracle Day. I like Children of Earth better overall but I really enjoy Miracle Day too, it's another interesting, dark morality story. Granted, it is American as f**k lol.

[@carealoo744]

9:54-10:17 XD!

[@bookreviewer4932]

Everytime I tried watching full length I have the video and audio perfectly lined up then 5 seconds later it is no longer lined up, did this happen to anyone else

[@christopherkraemer4023]

I honestly do not understand any of the hate for this series. It is so encapsulating, and it felt intense the whole way through. It has a beautiful way of making this feel real for you, and its incredible. The only moments of levity I had where I didn't feel under pressure were the first 2 or so episodes, and then the flashbacks with Jack in New York in the 20s. I think that most of the hate for this series is just a bandwagon because they took the show to America. People don't give this series a fair chance, especially after the masterpiece that was Children of Earth. But its an incredible series, and my personal favorite, it keeps you enticed in the story all the way through, making you feel like you're there alongside Jack and Gwen and everyone else. It has an interesting and frankly creative way of tackling the way that it is now impossible to die. It also took the next leap, and showed the how it would affect the world overall. I honestly think that Miracle Day was an incredible series and that most of the hate for it is just one big bandwagon. People don't give this series a fair chance, which i think is a crime, considering how good it really is, and how barely anyone knows it.

[@travisspazz1624]

S4 could have been great if it was about six episodes. S4 is very dragged out, and the lacks the original Torchwood tone. I do remember really liking episode 7 though.

[@heathsherer6172]

#FIREBI #FIREBI #FIREBI #FIREBI #FIREBI

[@hmsljj]

Yikes, they're going to watch Miracle Day. The American production was a big factor with how disappointing this series was. They need to return to Cardiff then add Mickey & Martha to the team. Now that would be cool .....

[@Steviio]

Henry in NorCal yess, they literally should’ve just done that for series 4

[@christopherkraemer4023]

honestly miracle day is my favorite series because of how it just encapsulates you into the story and makes all the tension feel real

[@EditedAF987]

Henry in NorCal they actually returned to Cardiff for series 5 and 6, although Mickey and Martha didn’t appear

[@lucaslevada7272]

thousands of pictures, if not hundreds kkkk

[@Animalfriend777]

I've always thought Miracle Day was a cool concept, but that tieing it to the DW verse kind of caused way to many issues and questions. If this had been a standalone miniseries unconnected to Torchwood and DW it might have been better

[@SpyroCynderFan]

Finally! The start of my favorite season!

[@spectrablaze3760]

Wow still doing this?

[@runshouse]

The bickering while nerdplaining is charming.

[@steviecoulson1955]

There's a series 5 of Torchwood if you're interested in continuing after Miracle Day, but it's an audio drama.

[@ZakJordan98]

Dannie Tate Aliens Among Us is so much better than Miracle Day and a real return to form for Torchwood. Plus i love Mr Colchester

[@steviecoulson1955]

Zak Rosenfeld Mr. Colchester and Orr are 100% my favorites on the new Torchwood team. I hope they listen to it, but Miracle Day has a tendency to put people off.

[@ZakJordan98]

Dannie Tate Mr Colchester is the best character since Owen Harper, he's pretty much the badass dad of the team, plus Yvonne has been a fantastic addition love her efficiency approach. Orr is great and i can't wait for more development. And i really can't wait for S6 which was announced a few days ago

[@steviecoulson1955]

Zak Rosenfeld Neither can I. I want to know who the Sorvixs' God is.

[@ZakJordan98]

Dannie Tate Something tells me that their God is connected to Billis Manger somehow considering the events of "A Kill To A View".... Or maybe I'm just hoping that cause i want more of him

[@TheAcworthdude]

Hit like as soon as I saw this :)

[@OhitsJuly]

FUCKING ROSE "ERIC VOICE"

[@patriciog4624]

This was not the episode to eat tacos al pastor

[@mr.scarlo2234]

As to why Ester and the others don't remember the alien incursions, The Big Bang is why. This series takes place from March - September 2011. This specific episode takes place from the 18th - 21st March, which is after the reboot of the universe on the 26th June 2010, almost a year prior to this event. Gwen, Andy, Rhys & Jack remember as they were personally dealing with the aliens and rift energy, it couldn't be erased from them. Bystanders are completely different as they had no impact on the invasions.

[@markc4008]

I do love the fact they're questioning why Esther doesn't know about aliens, while co-currently watching S5 of Doctor Who :)