Toro Greensmaster Showdown 1600 vs 1000

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I wanted to do a comparison mow between the Toro Greensmaster 1600 and 1000. The 1600 has an 8 blade reel, while the 1000 has an 11 blade reel. The 1600 out performed the 1000.
This was interesting to see the differences in the cut quality.
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[@davidgunn6646]

I just started watching your videos today, and I have to say, they are fantastic! By far one of the best lawn care channels that I have ever seen.

[@Doober80]

Great analysis of the 2 mowers. Definitely can't say enough how fabulous your lawn is! Love the vids, Connor; have a great weekend!

[@radu9317]

I just got myself a 1000 and its freakin awesome, my zoysia lawn looks even better now, thanks to you Connor I'm hooked, its really a game changer, much aloha for the bad but yet awesome influence, I wish I could show you a before and after picture of my lawn from the very start and now🤣🤙

[@belfordlancaster6818]

Love your lawn and videos and especially your attitude.

[@deiselsti2215]

Such a great channel, please keep making these

[@paultanner2007]

Just subscribed. I enjoy lawn care and landscaping. Thank you for sharing.

[@PimpingOutPain699]

You Can Tell You Love What You Do..Nice Illustration Video.

[@francescodias5333]

Your lawn is amazing!! Love to see that! Your video editing is improving a lot also.

[@lawnrebel]

Thank you for the love. The editing will naturally get better with experience. It is not my background... Nor do I do lawn care for my profession.

[@johncronin1082]

Lovely lawn really enjoy these videos keep up with the good work 👍👍

[@Evlh4x]

We use those mowers at the private course I work at. 1600 for tees at .340 and 800s/1000s on greens at .125. Your lawn is amazing sir👌🏼

[@Blougheed]

videos are looking great Connor !!

[@carsoncrosby7232]

you have inspired me!!!!! I am hunting for a cylinder mower now. They seem to be few and far between here in UT

[@miggity803]

8 Blade vs. 11 Blade = Apples and Oranges. More blades means less trimming height. IOW, 8 blade trim slightly higher, 11 blade finish at desired height. The Toro's blade speed is the same, so there is more time for the grass blade to stand back up on an 8 blade cut rather than an 11 blade cut in order to be re-cut by the next blade, resulting in more longer stranglers on the 11 blade than the 8 blade reel regardless of 1000 or 1600. On another subject, sweetest lawn ever! Nice job and keep posting updates for those of us who like to live vicariously. Subscribed.

[@ColonelK0rn1]

Wrong. Depending on whether you choose the 27 or 22 tooth pulleys on the drive, and the driven pulley, you can change the frequency of cut, which should be as close to the desired HOC. Simple gear reduction, this changes the reel speed.

[@danielsadowski9180]

I love toro, the best machines are when they are used for proper tasks, 8 Blade on high height of grass growth and 11 Blade in everyday use when this growth is small or 2-4 mm, there is also the mowing principle: you should never mow more than 1/3 of the length of the grass, i.e. if the grass is 50 mm high, the lowest length to mow should be 35mm (the height of mowing), the mower will take everything only to graze and the grass will get and suffers from the grass, for example anthracnose

[@nickforest]

The reason the 11 blade reel leaves missed spots is because they are designed for use on golf greens cut very short! Love the channel! Looking for a reel mower to start stripping my lawn!

[@gregau21]

Connor, it's an absolute privilege watching your channel. I get so excited when you post a new video. Could you possibly do an irrigation video soon showing how often you water and your irrigation setup?

[@lawnrebel]

Yes I sure will. That one will come.

[@ryanesposito5755]

I love the passion this guy has for his grass. I can relate. I would love to be a fly on the wall for the convos that must go on in his house with the wife about the time he spends in the yard. While there could be worse vices, you know this must drive her nuts.

[@lawnrebel]

I have a Coca Cola addiction unfortunately. I would say the coke is worse. At least with lawn care I get exercise. My wife knows that I love it and supports me in it. Better me be outside working than inside bugging her.

[@SouthPawEd]

@@lawnrebel In reference to my time in the yard, my sister in law sent my wife a meme that said "Why would anyone do drugs when they could go mow a yard?" Truer words were never spoken.

[@silvernatedogg]

"..the camera was not recording..'bout lost it there.." .😂

[@pixe1637]

Your videos are awesome, really enjoying the content. Keep up the good work!

[@lawnrebel]

Thank you Sam

[@Gixer750pilot]

Love your channel !!! 250,000 subs by Xmas I recon

[@agu003]

lol

[@rmm223]

Man, great stuff. Looks terrific.

[@chrisa8112]

Awesome vid Connor I appreciate the info you give on the greens mower!

[@lawnrebel]

You have one... Right?

[@chrisa8112]

Not at the moment, but your pushing me toward that way.

[@joshcarls]

This video has officially solidified my bromance with you. 😉 Love what you do with your yard!

[@lawnrebel]

Ha ha. Awesome. I need more bromances anyway.

[@paultanner2007]

You have the best looking lawn on earth.

[@Zebrahead6000]

The 8-blade mower's reel is probably spinning at a higher RPM. I'm guessing that's why it leaves less stragglers. Great lawn man.

[@stallen1066]

Thx for the post.

[@p.rvictorin5932]

i do appreciate what you do here, you've helped me, thanks. 8:51 mins... I don't know, maybe if you did not repeat as much but thank you again.

[@felixaberg8651]

Ive noticed the same on my lawn, its not as tight or uniform as yours (love your vids by the way) but with my 5 vlade suffolk mower from the 70's I get a lot less long blades left behind than with my 11blade ransomes gs55(greensmower), its first when I get down to about 7-8mm (dunno - 3/8 inch?) and min 3 mows a week when I can see the advantage... keep postin, youre great!

[@TheFlowerGuys]

My experience with reel mowers is the height of cut matters. the shorter the better. The hight the turf the more of those pop up stragglers you get. I'd like to see them cut at the same height and see the difference. Excellent video

[@korzym]

I'd be honored to drive the 12 hour and 40 minute drive from my house, cross the border, and nail it down south to buy that mower off you.

[@lawnrebel]

Are you in Canada like Bill mentioned?

[@nathandiesser2888]

Very nice lawn an explaining the different mowers. Right now at work we are moving the greens at .140" with 11 blade reels on a Toro 3150. They only last about one week moving 19 greens every day if it all goes well. Then take off and lap with 120 grit.

[@mikefreeberg576]

Nathan Diesser greens at .140”? That’s long. You have blue grass greens?

[@nathandiesser2888]

mike freeberg Creeping bent grass, that is what the mowers are set at for now. The true cut on the green is about .125" because of the wiehle rollers. I put on smooth front rollers when the greens start to stress in the extreme heat an that changes the true HOC on the greens.

[@rxlo1062]

Great video 👍

[@smithbeee]

Another good one, Connor. Keep it up.

[@jasondecarlo]

That lawn. ❤️

[@harryharry3193]

Im not a reel guy, however this was a great video Connor. thanks for the comparison.

[@rosscraddock6241]

How fast do the reels spin? Might be why the 1600 cuts cleaner?

[@TripleWhopperWithCheese]

11 blade does not cut as well because the Frequency of Cut. The lower you go the better it will cut. If you were to cut it a .125 the roles would reverse. It would cut better at that height than the 8 blade. 8 blade is better for fairways heights. 11 blades is better for greens heights.

[@zachr1538]

Hi @Damage, Inc. What's the lowest you could go with an 8 blade reel and still achieve a very nice cut?

[@ElMagnificoRe]

@@zachr1538 I would not go lower than .230 with an 8 blade, they tend to start biting the grass instead of cutting it.

[@snakeplissken2018]

@@zachr1538 I cut greens on a golf course at 1/8 inch with an 11 blade reel but that is a different type of grass to, but you can set them really low

[@toddhickey1956]

What kind of grass do you have? What are the retail price differences between the two mowers?

[@trevortodd6060]

You talked about 2” height. That is what my lawn is at right now and I agree it is a great height. Only down side is I mow it every 3rd day to keep it looking nice till the PGR goes down. I might talks in down to 1.75 not sure yet.

[@johndoe-sw4sb]

Where do you live. In order to get your grass that short. I’m in Michigan here. And I want to try this style of mowing. But I think it would totally burn the lawn. What’s the highest you can mow with these machines. Mostly Kentucky blue grass. And Fikas grass here. Thanks

[@genemanning2236]

Great video Connor! looks like there's quite a few Lawn KZbinrs following your trend.

[@lawnrebel]

Yes. This is happening. It looks great so I can not say that I blame them.

[@andrewp.619]

Connor Ward, now if you could compare that to the new Swardsman machine, that’d be awesome! I think your turf quality would give it a proper test! Looking great! If I was anywhere near your area, I’d be the first to give an offer on your reel. Great comparison that more, is not always better.

[@aaronvaught7049]

Where do you get parts for the greensmower 1000? I just got a used one and need some small parts.

[@PaulsPrimeCuts]

That’s reel interesting 👍🏻

[@Stegs]

dang that 2" grass looks amazing! look how dark green that is! Now do the honda rotary at `1.75 or 2" and show the color difference!

[@misiakzhor]

How much you waterring your lawn? One time in day? how long ?

[@ronhart4166]

1600 Most definitly !!!! I like the wider stripes also. Beautiful lawn. I thought it was Zoysia !!! :)

[@lawnrebel]

Nope. Kentucky Bluegrass. I'm addicted to the lawn care.

[@pontuslindberg]

Hello! First I’d just like to compliment you on your fantastic lawn (and beautiful surroundings)! Regarding the showdown, I don’t think it was fair to the 1000 machine since these machines are meant to cut at different heights. Basically the more blades, the shorter the cut. If you try to cut ”tall” grass with an 11 blade cylinder the distance between the blades will be shorter than the actual grass itself, causing the blades to slide over the grass. If you on the other hand were to cut at green height (< 5 mm), the 1000 would most likely outperferm the 1600. Keep up the good work, I really enjoy watching your stuff! Regards, Pontus

[@lilbabykenny]

Really wish I could cut my kbg this low. But without in ground irrigation, I can say it’s definitely impossible to keep green unfortunately. So I’m left to enjoy yours 👍

[@kove]

How big is your lawn? If your front is like mine ~1k, you can easily water it from a spigot.

[@Kam-Bogey]

You are a lawn GOD!!!

[@jperez1083]

Surely these mowers are recommended for certain types of grass?

[@sorrym8421]

I like how the 8 blade wheel cut.

[@nofim_susanto]

I want to ask you..What's kind of the grass? Look very good and beautiful..

[@kyleb7992]

Love your channel. How did you educate yourself on how to grow an awesome lawn.

[@lawnrebel]

Learned by doing. Trial and error. The lawn forum.

[@paulrhodes482]

Wow, your lawn looks amazing! Really enjoying the channel trying to work my way through all your videos. Can you please tell me what turf you have? Also, can I get the same turf in seed? Thanks, Connor for all you do to help us, newbies.

[@lawnrebel]

It's Kentucky bluegrass. Can't think of the exact varieties right now

[@paulrhodes482]

Connor Ward thank you looks amazing

[@reallybadaim118]

Like a boss.

[@andrewlyon6834]

Where do live I'm in Toledo Ohio and got a lane that looks good super green and no weeds though it is quite bumpy been trying to get some way of leveling it out without spending a bunch of money bought a lawn roller to try and flatten it out but still bumpy

[@lawnrebel]

Roll it with your roller when the grass is soggy and soft.

[@GoFastGator]

Thank you for making this video!! And proving I’m not crazy! 🤪 It’s all about mower setup for the turf conditions. 11 blade reels will do things under .250” that an 8/9 blade will only dream of. Just curious but do you know exactly what bedknives are installed on each machine?

[@lawnrebel]

I do not. I know they are both greens knifes. I wanted a fairway knife on the 8 but my guy just did the other. They are not the ultra low style knifes.

[@GoFastGator]

That’s ok, just wondering how much better a super heavy knife cuts than a standard. Once I finally get my Jake mowing again, I guess I’ll find out!

[@johnmccullough8856]

Do you think the reel with more blades requires a slower walk speed or reel speed to get the same cut with the reel with less blades?

[@lawnrebel]

It's likely but I do not know for sure.

[@rjracing12]

Wow I never would’ve thought someone would cut their city lawn with greensmowers! 🤣🤣🤣

[@kprestwich1]

Live in Utah as well, what is your fertilize and lawn feeding strategy?

[@lawnrebel]

Keep watching my videos. I have talked about that. I like to do several fert apps a year. I also do a bunch of humic as well.

[@franky7]

It's like carpet. Wow great job. It looks awsome. Being so short does the sun burn it easy. Sure don't look like it .

[@brettcarlow5779]

Yeah doesn’t look it my grass bakes if I cut it too short idk why his doesn’t and I water mine too

[@austinlharris]

I want to go low but it seems really intimidating and technical. What are your thoughts about going low? Or do you already have a video out about that?

[@lawnrebel]

No video yet on that. I should make one. You can do it for sure. All that it takes is commitment. It requires more time.

[@austinlharris]

Connor Ward it would be cool if you did some sort of step by step tutorial for going from high to low. I am in Salt lake, KBC. I have a pretty green lawn and it's usually about 4 inches. It is also a pretty bumpy lawn. I don't even know where to start. But I'm sold on the fact that I want to do it

[@marsingoutdoors]

Connor, my family and I just road by your house last weekend, and i was like HEY THAT'S THE KZbin GUYS HOUSE! Love the lawn bro! I'm shopping the 1600 right now.... trying to find one for sell... you still recommend that one?

[@marsingoutdoors]

Also, should I be concerned with the year? Looking at an 11' with 1300 hours, and a 16' with 550 hours...

[@lawnrebel]

Yes still the 1600. Year doesn't matter. I have an 03 and a 11 I like both. My tri is an 03 as well

[@tonywilliams49]

Did u sell it

[@xDuffBeerx]

Breaking rules again!! . It seem like every video I look you break rules in it. And that why I like them ! :P Can I ask what's up near the road in front of your home ?

[@joelhenderson5526]

Have them cutting the same height then we'll see both look good though!

[@brettcarlow5779]

So I have no idea what type of grass I have I do the lawn at my house but Im 14 so I don’t have my own house yet and if I cut it lower then an inch and a half about it burns out is that my type of grass that it does that or is it the way the rotary mower cuts it that damages it can anyone help and explain

[@lawnrebel]

It is the rotary mower. My lawn will do the same thing if I cut low with the rotary

[@kove]

Something that will help is mow it often and sharpen the blade often.

[@diarmuid858]

Opinions on back lapping anyone...??

[@cepuras]

What kind of grass is this?

[@dbasco]

Greensmaster 1000: - 21-inch (53.3 cm) width of cut - Legendary quality of cut and reliable performance - Standard 11-blade reel (14-blade optional) for superior performance in any mowing condition Greensmaster 1600: - 26-inch (66 cm) width of cut - Wider mowing swath for increased productivity - Standard 8-blade reel for mowing aprons, tees, and other surrounding formal turf

[@ovi1990]

What type of grass seed is that? Lollium Perenne?

[@lawnrebel]

Kentucky bluegrass. Not sure what it's called elsewhere in the world

[@JEK]

Great footage as always. Does your wife ever complain about grass stains in your clothes, you're like a kid out there playing in the lawn.

[@lawnrebel]

No she does not. She is happy that I am happy. Good wife I have.

[@jordanforch6189]

Keep it in your pants john

[@jordangolson4508]

I’d love to get a reel mower but concerned of how to sharpen the blades?

[@mikefreeberg576]

Jordan Golson don’t do it.

[@jjg052590]

mike freeberg don’t get a reel mower or don’t sharpen the blade?

[@Tshizzle42o]

Might be able to talk a mechanic/maintenance tech at a golf course to do your reels for a fair price.for the last 4 years before we got our auto reel grinder i was grinding 37 reels on a manual grinding table 1 blade at a time. I was allowed to bring my reels in from my 3 gang. Also its not just grinding. Endplay in bearings has to be kept within tolerance, bearings go bad and that means dissassembly of the entire reel to replace, bearings in rollers, bedknife tension needs to be adjusted properly and regularly. Powered reel mowers are much more expensive to buy and maintain than a rotary. As a greenskeeper i honestly dont know why someone would want to spend so much time and money on their lawn when a rotary mower and proper turf maintenance do a great job but the grass is taller making it easier to keep green. Less water, fertilizer, time etc.

[@ChuongNguyen-up9fy]

How about wallet showdown? Which one is cheaper? :D

[@Robert-ij9ih]

How often do you sharpen the blades?

[@lawnrebel]

I take my mower to a guy or golf course who has a grinder sharpener machine.

[@youraveragerat1280]

Where do you get all that pro equipment! Lawn looking super tight!

[@lawnrebel]

Local online classifieds. I have been patient and have waited for the right machine to come up.

[@youraveragerat1280]

Nice!

[@jamesmiller3388]

Machine finder .com

[@mikefreeberg576]

How often are you back lapping and or grinding?

[@lawnrebel]

I generally grind one time per year in the winter. I've not back lapped. I'm going to this summer like maybe 2 times

[@mikefreeberg576]

Your yard has inspired me

[@manga669]

Hello there I just came across your page what kind of grass is this ?

[@lawnrebel]

Kentucky bluegrass

[@manga669]

Thanks for the quick response I really appreciate it

[@lawnrebel]

@@manga669 yes no problem. I'm here and will reply if I can.

[@manga669]

Connor Ward really appreciate it just sub to your channel too😎👍🏻

[@markschmaus3430]

What type of grass is it ? Looks great !!

[@lawnrebel]

Kentucky bluegrass. Not sure what cultivar.

[@planetaboy]

What can I say, you cut a mean lawn! It looks amazing! I'd show you mine, but I'd hate for you to have a seizure!

[@paultanner2007]

I’m a electrician but my passion is landscaping.

[@remgroup8401]

Just wondering, why is your preference a reel mower?

[@lawnrebel]

Because of the quality of cut and the ability to cut lower and not sacrifice the quality of cut. The reel cuts like sharp scissors where a rotary cuts more like a machete. You do not get those torn ripped tips.

[@remgroup8401]

Those things are badass.They must be popular where u live because ive Never seen those in stores around these parts

[@lawnrebel]

They are not popular here. Not sold in stores

[@Tshizzle42o]

rem group those mowers are for golf course greens and tees. Not sure of the cost for a walk behind but the 3 reel riders cost $20-30,000 and a new 5 or 7 reel fairway mower starts at about $55,000

[@marvinprocter4407]

Hey Connor, Id sure like to be considered when you decide to sell your mower. I live close to ogden so you could come visit anytime you wanted. Just got my lawn as low as I could with my rotary mower and top dressed it to get it more level. Thanks for the tips!

[@lawnrebel]

good work

[@rey3472]

You need the Clip Kit for the GM 1600. Your FOC is still too high for mowing at 0.5" I put the Clip Kit on my 1000 with the 8 blade reel and it just ate up overgrown Zoysia without leaving stragglers. Only time it misses grass is if I let things get way way overgrown.

[@lawnrebel]

Where do I get one? link?

[@rey3472]

No link. This is a Toro Dealer only part. www.toro.com/en/parts/partdetails/?id=18154

[@lawnrebel]

Thanks doc

[@patcrysler6102]

Hey. Is that your vinyl fence or is the neighbor fed up with your racket??????

[@lawnrebel]

It's his fence. We both wanted it for obvious reasons

[@pablocastro2210]

You have a buyer here!

[@lawnrebel]

Let my baby go?

[@pablocastro2210]

Connor Ward yes, she needs a new lovely home. My garage has a perfect corner for her...

[@Tundra_Guy]

Looks good but you lose all the green color when u mow that short. I have a blueberry mono stand and notice color loss when under 2 inches.

[@lawnrebel]

6 of one and 6 of the other.

[@runningrabbit04]

Selling your first reel? Got a new Rockstar mower on the block. Toro 1600 wins, the new undisputed champion of Utah's best lawn! 🥊

[@lawnrebel]

Lol. Thanks for the boxing glove 🥊. That made my morning.

[@ericchambers1672]

Looking for a 1600 already. Hard to come by. Let me know if you know of one for sale. Thanks EC

[@lawnrebel]

I have one. I'm in Utah though

[@ericchambers1672]

@@lawnrebel Thanks. Yep, a little far away. Beautiful country. We were there a couple of years ago. Wanting to visit again

[@chrisfink1]

Mowing low is the trend right? What's next since you lead and we follow?...

[@lawnrebel]

Ha ha. Yeah I guess it is. The southern folks have been doing it forever. I have always liked low mowed turf. This is not new to me.

[@gregorysampson8759]

Yeah that reel not made to cut off that much of the grass blade.

[@rumblestiltzkin]

The Lawn Care Nut sent me here.

[@lawnrebel]

That's awesome. Allyns videos... I have been watching them for years. He is awesome. What do you think of the videos?

[@Starlight_GT]

I'm just here to look at your lawn damn

[@brighb123]

You so need a putting green round back

[@markwilliams3940]

The 1000 could cut better if you walked slower. These are designed for putting greens. Grounds keepers walk much slower when cutting around the pin compared to the fairway. Great vid. A little too much reiteration though. Thanks!

[@dustinwalden7091]

Probably the same concept with endmills. Too many flutes will load up with material and just lay it over.

[@WaveAction777]

I'd keep the second reel mower as a spare

[@lawnrebel]

Probably will

[@jizfajiggaable]

The 1600 has less blades so presumably it is turning at a higher velocity equating to a better cut

[@hosoiarchives4858]

What do you do for moss

[@lawnrebel]

I do not have any moss. Sorry

[@hosoiarchives4858]

Connor Ward don't be sorry be happy!

[@williamgates2466]

I like the 1600

[@snakeplissken2018]

I've never seen a lawn that flat And reel mowers don't cut tailer grass very well the grass has a tendency to lay down instead of cutting