DON'T BUY K-Tuner or Hondata until You Watch This

[@TORQToolbox]

*Correction:* the Ktuner has come down in price quite significantly. So the prices I mentioned aren't accurate

[@JDJK20C1]

Ktuner does not have antilag on the FK8.

[@clintpopham5691]

@@JDJK20C1 unless you know what your doing don't antilag the FK8... It's all over the forums. And Honda doesn't want to warranty anything on our fk8s

[@clintpopham5691]

Hondata shipped and unlocked to California after tax is 1043. Ktuner is less but I don't have an exact price. MOTEC ECU system is 7922 after Tax and shipping in California. As of this date.

[@bombadoosh]

So just checking, you definitely CAN get the race version shipped to California? And $1040 includes the unit, plus the $250 instant jailbreak?

[@clintpopham5691]

@@bombadoosh mine is the race version as well yup

[@marcelchenevert7251]

That was really nice of you to hook Cameron up, the 10th gen community felt terrible when he got jacked.

[@xSyrious]

I agree when it comes to Hondata/Ktuner it comes down to personal preference and your needs, as you stated earlier! :). I ran Ktuner V2 for over a year and recently switched to Hondata and have been doing quite a bit of hands on research within the system and the various features. Hondata is more up to date on current features and seem to be WAY more active with the community as well as being more willing and driven to experiment with their ideas to create even more reliable features. Innovation is a beautiful/advancing thing :). What ultimately made the switch for me was traction control and that I started tracking my car. Also In my experience most tuners will be more comfortable when you walk in their shop with Hondata, In regard to custom tuning. Both are excellent options at the end of the day, but it's unfortunate it turns into a battle between the two. But at the end of the day when there is competition it creates better products for the consumer. Also Ktuner can hold up to 5 maps :D! Having the screen is cool and all but there's other ways to get the same information without obstructing your view. My favorite tune with them is the PRL Multistage tune, the power is managed really well and is consistent throughout the entire power band. I've never tried to custom tune on Ktuner. Thanks for the awesome video man! 🔥

[@Guavvaisgood999]

10 months late but didn’t realize you gave Cam Hill the v2 because his got stolen... shows enough character for me, earned a sub for sure

[@hondaforcedproduction2469]

I know I’m late lol but dude I’ve only ever watched your gun vids haha had no idea you were into cars lol

[@rbfokc3470]

bro me too hahaha

[@christianservin7635]

He does gun vids lmao

[@brandoj5042]

Same here 😂

[@RattygamingTV]

Seriously broo lol

[@8gocrazy]

Broooo me tooooo

[@socomelite1]

Hell yea. I’ve been watching your gun channel for years. I just discovered this while searching for some ecu tuning and was like I know that guy.

[@RoaminRomeros]

I remember way back in the day I had to send my ep3 ecu to hondata and it was the scariest thing ever. Thanks for all these videos I’m a new Type R owner from Arizona so all your vids are def helping me with my upcoming build.

[@ZxKingSepanxZ]

Soon as I heard you say you're going to give the Ktuner to him I subbed, good shit man👍

[@atifsarfraz7621]

me too... !

[@AlexMartinez-rb7lw]

I was just about to comment the same exact thing 😭😭😭😭

[@jimmysapien9961]

Hell yes

[@courtneyhaedt9396]

Me too!!!

[@jordyariaszapata6124]

ktuner has stepped up their game as of 2021 most features you said weren’t available now are, i think now is just which one you preferre. great vid bro

[@hiepta2076]

This channel's video quality is too high to have such little amounts of viewers.

[@clintpopham5691]

Type R owners are a select group. Not everyone has 1... That's why the little views. He's doing us justice though with content.

[@letd1995]

he has other channels that’s why the videos are so high quality

[@landofsyn2980]

@@letd1995 what channel because he ditched this channel it seems

[@letd1995]

@@landofsyn2980 I really don’t know I know it’s a gun channel

[@letd1995]

@@landofsyn2980 it’s called tactical toolbox

[@Ryan57Garr]

Dude! I used to watch you on Tactical Toolbox a few years ago when you only had like 20k subscribers! I never knew you had this channel! Always loved your 8th gen Si you used to take out to the range at the end of the videos! So cool to see that you’ve come this far and branched out since then! Hope you’re doing well man!

[@ashesofourpast]

Please note: The Hondata unit costs $695 and the instant jailbreak still runs an additional $295. When it comes to price, Hondata and KTuner are very competitive.

[@Rip84LW]

Why do car companies limit the engines power so much. These engines are naturally safe to push more power.

[@suitedandbooted6612]

Fist bump for sending Cameron Hill your ktuner. I’ve been watching a lot of Honda-based car videos lately and both you guys have awesome content. 👍🏼👊🏼 On a side note, I don’t think Honda and Nissan should be locking ECU’s. If you pay for the car, you own the whole car, to do with it what you wish.

[@j-pargefournier3114]

True that!

[@BassFace1776]

Wow I got this notification I watch your gun videos I didnt know you had a type r. That's my goal in the next few years.

[@TORQToolbox]

Badass man! You'll definitely love it

[@muchcat1113]

Do it! I got rid of my 5.7 Daytona Charger for my type r and it blows my mind everyday. Seriously, it's an amazing car. Do it when you can!

[@michaelphaphon8883]

I knew I recognized him from somewhere

[@kawboykody]

Dude it literally made my dad when I found out he was a Honda guy lol

[@Camhill182]

great video! Phearable does include a free suction cup mount with all Ktuner v2 purchases as of now. I greatly appreciate everything you have done and continue to do to support me and my channel, Jon! Your channel needs to explode. Also, I still need to figure out something I can get you for your car

[@clintpopham5691]

Get him a MOTEC system. He deserves it

[@JeanSpams]

The consensus is Ktuner for all civics except the Type R. Hondata for the Type R.

[@pacotaco1234]

civic hatch sport? ktuner?

[@ericlugo8790]

@@pacotaco1234 just here for the replies cause I’m not sure which one to get either 👀

[@dionysus7055]

Bruh my boy tactical toolbox is doing car videos now....love you brother.

[@jovanovicfamily1]

What a guy to help out Cameron.

[@fantheman1126]

I chose k tuner v1.2 as it allows a pop and bang map, and I am a sucker for that. Yeah yeah what about the cat, it’s a tiny amount. Maps switchable on the head unit done by a great tuner

[@diabeticnova2636]

What’s a pop and bang map?

[@dylandominic]

When you said 50hp stage 2 I was like Holy shit but I realized it's for the ctr and I was like 😔 damn no 50hp in my si

[@cristianmunoz7002]

theres a tsp 1 50hp and 81 lbs increase on two step performance

[@user-pwfus]

@@cristianmunoz7002 I got over 50hp just with a k-pro and tune with basic bolt ons so ya it is more than possible dc2 type-s ;)

[@jasongreashaber2223]

Interesting review. Waaaaaay back in the early days, I used a Hondata ECU which had to be modified by them. So we frequently had to buy a host ECU to send to them for modification. Even back then it was the best route for major modifications. Glad to see it has evolved into something very simple and doesn't require removal or replacement anymore. Years ago I ran a Vortech supercharged Civic Si with 18-20psi boost on a built B16. Stupid fast, but dont miss having to work on it all the time. Now I have an ILX with a stock K24. I wonder if the Hondata would be able to unlock any hidden performance for that still?

[@rickyperez46rp]

It does lol

[@imschittles]

I also have a 2014 ilx and just seen this video now. I’m curious if you tried either tuner for yours, trying to figure out which one to get

[@jasongreashaber2223]

@@imschittles Not yet. I still might, but waiting to give it some boost probably.

[@jonathonabel1548]

@@jasongreashaber2223 do you have a manual ILX or the 8 speed? 8 speed won't handle more than 300 hp and WILL break.

[@jasongreashaber2223]

@Jonathon Abel Unfortunately the 8 speed. I suspect the transmission could, but the clutches wouldn't.

[@ryandoyle2338]

I would go with the Hondata . I just want the functionality. Appearance is one of those things that is just a bonus if it works great.

[@briancokley249]

Love this freaking channel. I’m late to this video but that’s awesome how u looked out for dude. I had ktuner v1.2 and sold it and bought the V2. Such a big difference!!

[@shuvitcree]

i love that i can watch you for both of my hobbys

[@rodrigogonzalez3151]

You are really helping me with building my type r I would love a video that shows how to work the hondata as it’s the one I’m going to buy and have no idea what to do after I get it in the mail thanks!

[@jutros]

Great question I hope you get a answer soon

[@hunterzenger232]

very nice of you to give that guy the tuner proud of you

[@aksnapped452]

Hard ass picture in the back bro 🧼🔥

[@dallashamilton9217]

I can’t find any information on sending in my ECU to Ktuner other than this video. Did Ktuner update their software to be like Hondata?

[@JKPham23]

Instant jailbreak is an additional cost of $250 I believe, which is cheaper than sending in your ecu physically by $50 but is not included in the sale price of the hondata flash pro it self

[@darinwong2197]

I subscribed immediately. Excellent message delivery. Very practical approach on this accurate and objective review. Made my decision as I’m a set it and forget it “Simpleton” who’ll just gravitate to a single tune that I like. We’ll done sir! Thank you

[@chapel976]

the flexibility of the Hondata is what got me to get it.

[@cia6911]

What kind of flexibility? I'm in the market for a tuner

[@chapel976]

@@cia6911 there's so much control over VTC, fuel, ignition, etc.... For my TSX.

[@cia6911]

@@chapel976 I have a 22' civic ex cvt and I don't what to go crazy with power or I'll blow up my transmission. That's why I'm leaning more towards ktuner v2 because I'll be using OTS tunes with some bolt ons. Maybe custom tune later on if I get a drop-in turbo.

[@Justintm]

Great video! Looking for a detailed video on how to navigate all the features/tunes on Hondata. A lot of guys are just checking boxes without knowing what they are doing.

[@cbounchanh]

I chose hondata because I have heard good things about them and I was right!!! Nice video I love the content

[@dub2094]

I have watched so many of your videos on the Tactical Toolbox channel! Happy to see your reviews on other hobbies I have 🤣

[@BoostedWhipz]

5 Tune Slots for the K-Tuner

[@ScooterBlia2]

It's nice to see that something like the Cobb Accessport is out for the Honda guys... Although, the KTuner isn't aesthetically nice. Cobb has been doing this forever, especially in the Subaru community.

[@danielscott7001]

Confirmed... Hondata seems to be the way to go for my TSX

[@ObsidianSilence]

If you have access to a Hondata, can you instant jail break the ecu, then marry the KTuner and use it?

[@clintpopham5691]

MOTEC > HONDATA > NOOBTUNER The noobtuner is cool if you got an EX or some sport hatch etc and your running base maps. Hondata is where most of us will be around bolt ons with flex fuel set ups etc.. MOTEC is where the big dogs play. Understand from a TUNERS point of view, ktuner and hondata have virtually the same access to certain information on the Bosch ECU we have.. so while you might not be able to do any traction contr on off antilag etc...once you get a custom tune it's possible... But if your at the point where your getting custom tunes and using antilag etc.. invest in new rods and start building that motor (4piston racing comes to mind here)

[@ashemorris]

Love this video. Im about to order Hondata for my own Type R. But would have been nice if you had done an install or setup vid of hondata. That and you never did show us how you got Hondata onto the infotainment. I know there are other vids out there but just letting ya know sense you did say "Ill show how thats done in a later video" but ya never did. Anyway, keep making great content!

[@baggedz2232]

Hey man, what’s the difference between the US and International versions of the Hondata FlashPro?

[@jessepotter365]

I've been researching hondata and they recently stated in a forum post that they do not clone the ECU.

[@Securitytips909]

They don’t make hondata for the 10th gen civic lx 🙁

[@eduardoalfonso8521]

Do you absolutely HAVE to keep the hondata in the car at all times ? Or just if you want to use the gauges ?

[@thebritish910]

Really good if you to help Cameron out. Very useful guide too!

[@clintpopham5691]

TORQ it is worth noting that once you flash your Type R one time HONDA can see it and will never warranty your Type R... You can switch everything back to stock unflash it etc. They will pull logs and figure it out.

[@SosukeAizenDaKid]

Really? Thats just with hondata ?

[@clintpopham5691]

@@SosukeAizenDaKid any tune any platform.

[@SosukeAizenDaKid]

@@clintpopham5691 didn't kno that,thanks

[@mouth195]

Fuck! You ruined my day, but I appreciate the heads up!

[@earthdreamsuk6657]

I switched from Hondata to Ktuner v1.2 on my fk8... on my build a massive increase.. 430bhp... Hondata constantly froze on uploads

[@jonivanart]

Can you put a link to the other guy for the Ktuner in the description plz? Thanks for the info! Great video!

[@JaidanBalban]

Such a great vlog, lots of information. Is it possible you can make another vlog solely on the hondata? Showing how to install, all is features? Like a in depth video. Keep up the content! Getting my sub.

[@watsonfamily6198]

Damn that was nice to give him the Ktuner bro

[@G23teknik]

Oh damn! I didn’t know you also had a car channel! Cool!

[@markrodriguez9206]

Different strokes for different folks.

[@aaronmurciano4738]

Don't forget the 250 for the instant jailbreak on top of 650 price.

[@boricuajr84]

I do not own an SI, but I was looking into Hondata for my 9th gen civic. And a lot of people tell me not worth spending the money because not going to be a lot of gains. But the way I see it, it wouldn't be stock form and is more power. Idk... all I have done so far is a CAI.

[@marcelchenevert7251]

Was worth it for my 8th gen, and love it on my 10th. Definitely recommend it.

[@Nelsg]

@@marcelchenevert7251is your 8th gen a si?

[@triclunderclops4042]

I had to get Ktuner because I have a 2004 TSX and I couldn't find an 06-08 ecu to use with Hondata. Great video though!

[@donovankelley9897]

I actually have Hondata for my 8th gen Si and absolutely love it, just wish there was something like a touch screen where I could monitor different things while I drive Also, I don't have the center display that some of the 8th gens got, do you know if the Hondata app would work on it?

[@johnkrstyen]

I have seen different bluetooth headunits that could bring up the Hondata info.

[@Shoto_Mist]

I have 8th Gen w hondata and an android head unit and latest hondata app won't allow download to a head unit just your mobile phone. 😢 If anyone figured a way to get hondata on head unit on 8th gen please reply and share

[@grn4rnr]

Thanks man. Great comparison and helps with my decision. When Hondata is plugged in where do you put it?

[@bazonka1]

Did I miss the link to Cameron's channel? My buddy has an Si and he would be interested.

[@TheMissingxtension]

The main reason for skipping Hondata is that a 2012 k20 will only support one set of ECU. ktuner can support multiple different models across years like k24, k20, r18. I never understood why Hondata was so locked down without a good reason. Mitsubishi and subaru have had beautiful software for a long time

[@lovepreetkular2264]

yep yep yep

[@NoEgg4u]

I have a 2020 Accord, 2.0. I would like to program the "Econ" mode to work like the "Normal" mode, have the "Normal" mode work like the "Sport" mode, and have the "Sport" mode set to get maximum performance out of the car. Also, once programmed, I do not want to have to keep anything plugged in. Also, I want the turbo boost dashboard monitor to remain present, regardless of whether I am in "Econ", "Normal", or "Sport" mode (the factory setting shows the turbo boost only in "Sport" mode). Lastly, I want my 10 speed automatic to always display which gear it is in. The factory setting shows the gear only when you use the paddle shifters. Do either of the products in this review qualify for doing all of the above (or most of the above)? Thank you.

[@anthonylabuda]

Correct me if I’m wrong but you still need to get your ECU jail broken with the Hondata which cost $250 bringing the total up to about $950

[@clintpopham5691]

💯 correct. It's 1040 after tax and shipping in California

[@JKPham23]

Matt Mayberry 2020 instant jailbreak releasing very soon they just announced it with Cody Walker

[@rafff09]

Do you mean ecu tuned by “jailbroken”? If yes does it need to jailbroken if used the ktuner too/?

[@miguelcorral5507]

California would be the special child 😂

[@kickerbud]

You have my sub and like simply for generously giving your ktuner to someone whose ktuner was stolen

[@nathanmartinez4263]

Damn i remember watching this video when I first got my 10th gen rip to her 🙏🏽

[@Rafaelhrndz]

Can you use the k tuner v2 without having an android

[@julianperez1270]

I almost purchased the Ktuner but something told me get flashpro and did got flashpro since I know my way on kpro and always been a Honda modifications ECU..remember back in the day on 91 civic si with chip ECU them engine used to Rev up to 7,200rpm

[@fa5.problems895]

I watch alot of your gun videos and gun builds and you have a 8th gen si too?! or used too. thats pretty dope! haha but im tryna figure out k tuner or hondata atm cause i just picked up a 8th gen si. im mind blown rn haha.

[@michaelw6645]

had no clue you’re a honda guy 😂 seen lots of your gun videos before

[@305dave]

Whats yours or anybodies opinon on either of these tuners with a cvt transmission in terms of wear and long term use. I have an 2018 Accord and I'm just a little worried about long term reliability if I were to get one.

[@KwyattCreations]

Of course the Gucci Glock guy is into Honda’s! Never knew, heck yeah!

[@gregatron11]

Can you make one of the tunes in the Hondata a detune? Like bypass the turbo or whatever and then have the stage 2 as the other tune. I basically want the option to make the car slower and better on gas mileage but be able to switch to the monster 280hp/370tq tune on the fly.

[@melanideep1]

I thought its just plug n play 🤦.thx for information it helps.

[@mr.tennessee]

Will they work with apple?

[@jtjoemamma]

no unfortunately

[@ozgur.ruzgar]

Which one would you recommend for the 2023 model 1.5 gasoline Civic?

[@QRS365]

can i use these on the 6th gen honda accord? why isn't there tunes for th 6th gen accord?

[@CoolGuynumbawan]

Hey man, I have a 10th gen si that I daily commute with 35kish miles a year. I’d appreciate your insight to if it even makes sense to flash it with an intake and exhaust setup

[@busterdouglas3911]

I have a 2009 Honda Civic lx and I just installed a short ram intake and removed the resonator and installed a skunk2 exhaust on it and I’m getting backfire I feel like the car ain’t running right I know I have to get it tuned what do I need to buy to tune it?

[@jeffrubalcava1633]

Wth! You do car videos too!??? I’m normally here for gun vids and tips. This is awesome lol

[@MarcoGiudice]

Dude what are you talking about the K-Tuner v2 is only $650.00 not $800. So who ripped you off? I just bought one and paid $650

[@darsgaming5656]

So Ktuner or Hondata can install either you have 2020 honda civic sports for non turbo or any civic that non turbo which one is the best to install for non turbo civic?

[@yaadi4286]

Question.. With ktuner 1.2 do I still have to ship out my ecu to get jail broken? Can I use another person ktuner to tune my car, if yes what is the procedure to do that? If not why not? Can you get a burble tune from either one?

[@iiZx10ii123]

It sucks cause they’re so much I’m ready to do to my car, but due to me just buying the car almost 2 years ago and still being under warranty I can’t do certain tunes or mods.

[@iiZx10ii123]

I got a 2016 honda accord sport, I’m on a 3 year warranty, but I’m ready for straight piping, turbo, all that stuff

[@elijah2257]

Have a 8th gen lx going to stage 1 and wanted to tune this helped thx

[@What_iv_Don3]

Bought the ktuner because my car doesn't support the flashpro, got a 2012 Honda Accord V6. Not in their supported list.

[@patl6978]

This is all new to me. I bought a 2.0 accord with the 6speed. The first thing i want to do is get rid of the throttle hang. Im told to get a ktuner to get rid of it but I suppose hondata can do the same thing? Id like to see how specifically to do this.

[@totljag1]

Do u have to keep them permanently plugged into ur car ? Or can u just flash them u plug them and be done ?

[@wasdishowiplay]

Having fewer things obscuring the dash making it look standard lends to the sleeper look

[@clintpopham5691]

You live in the high desert?

[@wasdishowiplay]

@@clintpopham5691 no, why?

[@clintpopham5691]

My bad lol.. you have a twin. Same stache and glasses

[@wasdishowiplay]

I've heard i have doppelgangers all over one was a sushi chef another was a musician another was a car salesman another was a tattoo artist

[@jonathanwilliams9612]

Lucky for me I got my ktuner v2 for 550 brand new, people sell em used for like 400 around my area

[@chasemarquez7620]

i wanted a ktuner for years i finally got one and i tuned my 2015 accord lx with a takeda intake and dual exhaust stage 1 tune. I feel no difference at all im very sad i was so hyped for this day and im so let down... idk if i did something wrong or what but it seems like everything went smooth with the flash but if anything it feels like its slower now in sport mode

[@Hood_Toyotav4]

If you have si or type r go with the race flash pro

[@user-rv9lu1sh6o]

Ktuner v2 is like 690 and v 1.2 450

[@DCGEMINI202]

How much did it cost to get the hondata? Ecu shipped and returned?

[@JKlempke]

Holy hell. First video i click on and you're doing a review on this is awesome and surprising. I've watched a lot of your gun reviews specifically on AR9 builds. You helped me build one and helped me decide to buy the cmmg banshedanshee 300. I'm looking forward to watching this now... Definitely gonna trust your word. Keep it up. 👍

[@Sleptking994]

Theres only 1 tune available for my car. It's meant for exhaust mods. I dont have any mods atm, can i still flash this tune?

[@billspeight6831]

Can you tell me what tuner is best for a CRV (ya I know) Ive got a 2016 with the 2.4l. I havent been able to find any tuners for it. Looking for a plug and play. Any help is appreciated.

[@martinabrante8571]

I but my 2017 civic sport they say was tuneup computer how can i find out what i got please???

[@vsmadhu]

Can you make video about why not use anti lag with the stock motor. Sorry about the noob question. Will the extra boost bend the connecting rods ?

[@soho281]

Nah I rlly doubt it’d bend the rods, they’re built to handle up to a certain power limit, so some research on what your car can handle

[@juanmendoza2446]

So then traction control is already on there and not an option you have to pay for extra like the jail break?

[@Erre9z]

can it be used for a 2021 honda civic hatchback sport?

[@kimjansson2338]

thx for a very informative video. can you use any of those on an older civic? say year 2000? thx