DeWalt's Highest Torque Ever DCF964 + Tabless & USA Made Batteries

[@morenothing4u]

Thank you for taking the carpal tunnel for the team.

[@operator8014]

It's really not that bad. I use the 961 almost every day, and it's never been a problem, I don't even notice it.

[@tollav]

​@@operator8014it was a joke...

[@TorqueTestChannel]

We try to emphasize that it's only when a bolt is able to put up enough fight to battle the gun you feel it. But then, yeah, hold on

[@dethangelishere394]

@@TorqueTestChannel i literally just picked up my DCF961 from my local home depot yesterday.

[@aetorres7422]

Women

[@Titanpower]

We could not be more grateful to have our batteries tested by TCC! This feedback is incredibly valuable to us. We'd love to provide some context to address the questions that have been raised. This is our first generation of power tool batteries, and we recognize there is room for improvement. We’ve read every comment on this video to gather feedback and learn how we can improve the next iteration of these batteries. To everyone who commented, thank you! Performance Issues: We were aware of these issues, as they were brought to our attention a few months ago. At that time, we halted production and shipping of the batteries. After extensive internal testing, we identified the problem as being related to the PCB. We are currently reworking the PCB to ensure it meets our performance standards. This is not the level of performance we expect from our batteries. The cells themselves are excellent, and without the throttling caused by the PCB, we would have seen much better results. If anyone who purchased one of our power tool batteries would like a refund, please don’t hesitate to reach out. Lipo Comparison: As many comments have pointed out, we won’t outperform lipo-based batteries in this specific test. While our cells are strong, they don’t match the discharge rates of lipo technology. For applications like this one, sticking with a lipo-based battery is likely the best solution for now. Made in America: We misunderstood some of the regulations regarding the "Made in America" designation. Some of our batteries are indeed "Made in America" at our facility in Idaho, while our power tool batteries are "Assembled in America" due to not meeting the threshold of materials being sourced from within the U.S. (we are actively working toward achieving this in future generations). This is why we updated the labeling on our website, and all power tool batteries will be labeled accurately going forward. Looking Ahead: We’re currently redesigning the PCB and performing rigorous testing to ensure our batteries meet our standards before they’re reintroduced on our website. We’re hopeful that TCC will be willing to test the updated version when it’s ready. If you are interested in our batteries, sign up for our email list on our website Titanbatteries.com to hear about their release.

[@TorqueTestChannel]

Thanks for the comment and the transparency

[@riba2233]

@@Titanpower these cells are anything but strong, they are in the lowest power tier of 18650 cells and they are not even close to being suitable for power tool usage.

[@Titanpower]

@@riba2233 Appreciate the feedback!

[@riba2233]

@@Titanpower np, if you need any more advice I can assist you, I'm good with the current cell market

[@huzudra]

Honest feedback and transparency is great to see. Thank you for replying so thoroughly. Looking forward to seeing things improve.

[@Pause0]

Personally I love the battery talk! a few months ago at my shop, coworker was trying to remove a bolt that was crossthreaded on a crankshaft and his gun wouldn't do it. I told him to give it a shot with my 9 amp hour flex volt, and another coworker just went "what difference does it make? 20 volts is 20 volts" so i told him the cells were a higher discharge rate, which I learned through TTC, and it worked a charm, they both thought I was full of shit lol!

[@EETechs]

Higher discharge means the voltage drop of the battery was less. So they are both 20 volts unloaded, but the higher discharge battery can hold that voltage to a higher current draw so your power is greater.

[@shadowopsairman1583]

​@@EETechs PIE

[@brentboere5304]

Happened to me just the other day with my dcf891 and a xr 5ah while I was backing out a 5/8" diameter bolt from a detroit series 60 bell housing. Slow and bumpy until the battery eventually shut down. Grabbed my xr 8 ah and it was smooth and quick. Felt like a different tool altogether.

[@andrestoodrip6616]

Crazy to think my dcf961 is now the "little" brother 🤣

[@Random50Cal]

This is a certified Torque Test classic

[@wyattlewis9250]

I work in maintenance at a power plant and this channel has lead me to purchase many of these high performance tools. We run mainly DEWALT where we now have the atomic 1/2”, newest 1/2” mid torque, and now the 964. It’s honestly amazing the punch these tools offer for the size. Thank you TTC for testing these tools.

[@PhillyFixed]

I had high hopes for the USA batteries. I hope Titan sees this and incorporates it as feedback into their product development, it would be pretty cool to see competitive USA-made packs.

[@littlejack59]

I think it means they just need to market them better. Market them for saws, angle grinders, routers, etc, not impacts. So many tools could use more density rather than draw rates, but impacts are one of the few exceptions to that.

[@TorqueTestChannel]

Saws usually require more watts than impacts

[@paulmartin2348]

@@TorqueTestChannel We don't deal in reality around here. Stop it!

[@KeijonAutoVuokra]

​@@littlejack59Saws and angle grinders are more power hungry than impacts and sustain that draw for a long time.

[@Techpriest1010]

Made in USA is a mark of low quality

[@alexlevinson8629]

Hope you feel better dude. I can hear it.

[@TorqueTestChannel]

Thanks man. Channel's got 2 healthy normal sounding dudes and 1 that sounds like a garbage disposal, and guess which one has to do the voice over

[@maxscott3349]

​@@TorqueTestChannelYeah it's that time of year

[@bt5252]

Man! No one’s avoiding this nasty cold going around! Get well soon.

[@douglasyoung6238]

the big issue with the titan is that higher density cells equal less max current output. A 30a 18650 is generaly rated around 2500mah while a 10a will be more like 4000mah. that impact needs high current

[@rolandm9750]

Basically any tool needs moar current for more performance so the Titan DW batteries will be a fail in anything save for maybe lights and fans; but in any event not worth the price. If the 2Ah genuine DW is outperforming the 4Ah Titan...that's a bad sign. Titan should be well aware of the current requirements and favourability of cells for power tools, not just jam in whatever to get a higher capacity number when the cells are not appropriate for power tools. There was a recent reddit post where some clueless guy had nearly the same idea..."why can't I rebuild this 5Ah DW and make it into 10Ah! Hurr durr!" lol. That's the kind of thing you'd expect from a clueless Joe that has no idea about batteries, but some commercial company making batteries (and premium price ones at that) should def. know better.

[@littlejack59]

Honestly, I don't see it as an issue. Just more of a problem with marketing. The people that will use those batteries aren't gonna be throwing them on their impact wrenchs. They will throw them on a lightweight impact driver, a battery draining angle grinder, an endurance killing leaf blower, or something of the sort. I think most people would love to be able to throw something on the size of a 2ah and have it last more than 15 seconds on their angle grinder.

[@1axelloco]

Yep, thats the case even the specs sheet at 9:02, show the max discharge current is 8A of the cell used in the Titan batteries and thats a big problem the normal cells used in DW pack are inr18650-25r with a much higher amp discharge value 20 amps, more than the double, yikes! Even a chep knockoff could beat those titan packs.

[@jamieswain4888]

The same was the case in the airsoft world where higher C lipos are generally used.

[@derekclaycomb9400]

Also, I just thought about this. Since I have Makita tools and have also bought into some of the newer XGT line of tools, I have the adapter to recharge the 18 volt batteries on their 40v max charger. The things of that these supposedly can recharge an 18 volt battery at up to 12 amps which is more that these Titan packs are rated for! 😲

[@sharkbite1686]

We need battery rankings! There are just too many to keep track of

[@Pause0]

It seems like the new DeWalt battery and the 9 amp flex volts are the way to go for top end of their batteries, at least in terms of discharge rate AKA torque. Power stacks seem to be similar to the Titan batteries in that it's geared more towards the energy density side of the equation but still with enough discharge rate for any of their tools. XRs are just good old middle of the road 2650's in a well made package.

[@sharkbite1686]

@@Pause0 Yeah but what's the best bang for the buck too? My comment is more general as well even for other battery brands. After all I have Dewalt, Ryobi, Bosch, and others.

[@nathanielbodine2212]

Got this off my Mac truck a few weeks ago. Diesel tech here. Been using it everyday to take lug nuts off. Hasn’t failed me yet. It does like to eat batteries though.

[@wayneswonderarium]

As much energy as that's taking, can't say I'm surprised. You'd have to have what, a 6 foot breaker bar with 200 lbs a the end to match this torque? Though I suppose if you're adding gravity and jumping on the end you /could/ get higher. But that's not nearly as compact, or fast 😂

[@Pause0]

@@wayneswonderarium Just think how much more of a pain in the ass some jobs would be if we didn't have that much torque in that small a package lol!

[@connor3288]

Does it fit into rear duals to do lugnuts without an extra long wheel service socket?

[@nathanielbodine2212]

@ I just use a regular deep 33mm impact socket. Haven’t had any issues

[@czdejv21]

Its a beast....been using it for about 3 weeks, and so far it took all semi lugnuts with ease, and so far everything...great video, keep the great job...

[@connor3288]

Does it fit into rear duals to do lugnuts without an extra long wheel service socket?

[@czdejv21]

@@connor3288 yes it does, but personally i like the longer socket so i don't get my knuckles his on axel edges.. i bought one on amazon SUNEX TOOLS 433MXL 3/4" Extra Long and its nice...but its on everybody's preference..

[@shawnlachance4427]

What else is there to say. The best, most comprehensive, and entertaining channel for all us tool geeks!! We are simply grateful for TTC!!!!

[@MikeyMobes]

literally was waiting for this review to add to my christmas list

[@Parents_of_Twins]

It is a beast. I personally didn't think it was that much of a handful and I did put my 9 amp flexvolt on it and I'm not built like Eddie Hall or Thor.

[@evanmayer744]

11:42 For the record, 18650 cells are no less inherently capable than 21700 (by volume). The issue is that "Titan" decided it would be a good idea to use cells optimized purely for capacity, with absolutely no regard for power output / internal resistance. These are cells you would use in parallel for things like portable power banks. And they went ahead and put them in a single parallel group for use in POWER TOOLS. Real smart there, guys.

[@Shibby7634]

As he stated, they will probably be great for more standard cordless tools like 1/4 impacts, sanders, maybe vacuums etc. Lighter weight with extended runtime, they have their place, though I admit it isn't abundantly clear and some folks who haven't seen this video may wind up disappointed if they're working on heavy machinery and not just woodworking.

[@skonky]

@@Shibby7634the other thing with high cap low discharge they tend to wear out a lot faster than lower cap high discharge batteries

[@stanimir4197]

@@Shibby7634 woodworking as in a circular saw would ruin the batteries, even drilling through hard wood.

[@Shibby7634]

@@stanimir4197 if you want to go through and list whether every tool you might find in a shop is compatible or not, go ahead, or just use discretion... but that's my main point, Titans lack of communicating what these batteries accomplish is the real issue, not the batteries themselves.

[@leckthetech6132]

​@@Shibby7634That's pretty much what I was thinking. Good for low draw tools

[@Xxshadowman11xX]

As an electrical engineer I love geeking out over the battery tech! This impact is a monster and my wallet is happy I don't do heavy equipment work to need anything bigger than my Hercules Ultra torque. By the way, hope you feel better soon torque, sounding a little sick in this one.

[@Pause0]

heavy is so fun though, never needing the torque is like driving a ferarri around all the time at 20 km/h.

[@Parents_of_Twins]

Finally I've been waiting for this episode ever since mine arrived. If I had known you needed one I would have shipped mine over. Either way glad to see you all taking it out for a Test Torque.

[@TorqueTestChannel]

More like we were holding out for when the M18 3/4" would be announced, and eventually gave up

[@Parents_of_Twins]

@@TorqueTestChannel Understandable. Love the Channel so thanks for all the hard work and quality testing. Nice to see experiments done properly.

[@jennifernunya909]

That same grinding happened to my dcf961. I got it warrantied through MAC tools then about a month later the 2nd one I’ve owned did it again while trying to remove inch and a half Bud wheel lug nuts… I think when you push these tools to their limit they break except for the DCF 900. You can straight up abuse the DCF 900 and it almost will never break.

[@gwall1789]

I have 3 DCF900’s. Two broke the anvils and one went completely dead. I’m guessing the board went bad. All 3 were warrantied, so no worries, but I expected them to handle more abuse than they do.

[@jennifernunya909]

@@gwall1789Definitely. I am a commercial roadside tire technician and I’ve been using my DCF 900 for a little over a year and a half now, so far my DCF 900 is still going strong my anvil still in decent condition and I use it to remove 33 mm lug nuts off semi trucks and trailers at least once every work day when I don’t feel like pulling out, my Ingersoll rand 1 inch. I guess it’s just luck of the draw.

[@gwall1789]

We use them daily for the same thing. 33mm semi lugs.

[@802Garage]

Shame the Titan USA made batteries aren't a bit more impressive, but for other tools they probably make more sense. We need companies like this, so I hope they succeed!

[@Titanpower]

Appricaite the kind words! We expected this and pulled all of our power tool batteries a few weeks ago because we weren't happy with the performance. We are working on gen 2 now and can't wait to get them out there to you guys! Check out the comment we just made for all the details. P.S. We should stay in touch...

[@802Garage]

@Titanpower Wow that's awesome! My primary platform is DeWalt 20V so I'll def follow you on other socials. 💪

[@edgarcornette6387]

Honor , Honesty and Integrity. Love ya Brother !!!

[@HeebzMedia]

My DCF961 made the same noise. Took it apart and found the gear reduction teeth on the larger diameter gears to have damaged teeth. My Mac truck sent it in and apparently those gears are backordered. Posted a video showing the noise almost 2 months ago. Still haven't received my tool.

[@ronblack7870]

so that sucks for the guy they borrowed the gun from. a definite NO for me on this unit. not durable enough. i think air powered is still more durable.

[@todderdodder]

Same thing happened to me, too. But I was under 90day no questions asked here’s a new one.

[@andrewcoffey4694]

A guy in my shop bought the DCF961 on the Mac truck and it broke within a week. Just normal use in a heavy equipment shop. We’re hard on impacts, but my DCF900 has lasted almost 2 years without issue.

[@jeremyr722]

Oooh im excited for this one 🔥 Do i really need something bigger than my DCF900? No not really. But do i WANT a 964? Don’t be silly, of course i do

[@ante12345678m]

I'm in same situation xD

[@GetlostwithKenny]

Same😂

[@ndragon798]

Thanks for reviewing this one guys. :)

[@-tr0n]

Nice. Pretty much what I figured the first time I used a coworkers 961. That tool feels...weird and wrong being only 1/2" drive. Gonna grab one of these as soon as I find one in stock. I definitely feel we're at the end of what these machines can hold up to, being made of sintered metal and PA6.

[@mr2_mike]

Agree. I think next steps will be better internals and more dialed in torque controlling.

[@mikerakochy6023]

Let me tell you, I’m a dewalt guy, I have all yellow in the trade. The new dewalt high torque impacts do not last, the anvil bearing (front) squeals after a few times of super high torque (when it hits vtech) after 6 times or so. Mines been replaced once after 3 months of use , and the replacement is now already doing it too and I was super carful this time to make sure I didn’t abuse it as hard as I have in the past, first time it hit high torque it started making noise. They gotta figure that out or they are gonna lose sales. First time I’ve had issues with their tools in 14 years of daily abuse in the trade.

[@GoldenCroc]

When you say " new high torque", is it only the 961 and 964 that have problem in your experience, or does that incude the 900 as well?

[@westernbola]

Same thing happened to my 961, it developed a grinding sound, but since I wasn't in the mood to get in contact with customer service, I decided to give it hell till it blows up completely, thing still going haha

[@mikerakochy6023]

@ should have been more specific, the 964 is the one I’ve replaced twice now as of today. Maybe I’ve just had a bad run of them, but the front bearing gets tight , then starts squeaking.

[@AntonioClaudioMichael]

Love the battery talk and you exploring on what tools do with different batteries provides lots of good information great video as always 17:30 @Torque Test Channel

[@gregblau8082]

My dcf891 started cutting out. It didn't take 10 minutes from submitting the warranty claim to getting the email that the replacement was on the way. I'll definitely keep that in mind when I'm making future purchases

[@rolandm9750]

Last good/big brand cell manufacturer to make cells in [North] America was Molicel who used to produce cells in Canada, but I don't think they do any longer. Apart from that you have Tesla-Panasonic's 21700s coming out of the Gigafactory but don't think they sell those in qty for other manufacturers to order/use (i.e. use outside vehicles). This Amprius here doesn't seem to really be any better than 3rd rate China cells, but with a much higher price--a bit disappointing TBH.

[@Titanpower]

It's our PCBs not our cells. We pulled these from the market weeks ago because we weren't happy with the performance. Check out our comment we just posted for all the details.

[@reconbbs360]

Those Titans look excellent for my application. Especially the 4AH. I prioritize size over power in my career field.

[@Titanpower]

See our comment we just posted for details, but we expected this and pulled these lines from the market because we weren't happy with the performance. We are working on gen 2 now!

[@EddieRosado-Nieves]

Need one of these as a trunk tool. Also, kinda cool to see Titan on the video; I have their batteries for airsoft guns and they're good.

[@Titanpower]

Love our airsofters out there!

[@CoyoteFeral]

Giving us the unbiased facts. What a legend. Realistically, none of us can afford to purchase every tool until we find the right one and that's where you come in. Thanks a lot!

[@jseen9568]

No one from Titan was watching at 15:00. They had already turned it off 😂

[@joelrodriguez9661]

Glad to see you testing the 3/4" Impacts. Maybe the Bosch GDS18V-1180 in the future?

[@bigfootandbananaman4746]

My dcf891 and dcf961 both had the gears destroyed. These new DeWalts seem so powerful but they don’t seem to hold up, at least for me.

[@Raymo2u]

The Titan batteries are using cells with higher amp hour than discharge rates, resulting in less punch but longer running times with less load. Reminds me of the Samsung 30Q Cells in 18650 versus the Samsung VTC5 cells. The VTC5 was the best in dumping energy for a good amount of time but the 30Q would go the distance if your not peaking it out. I cant wait until Salt versions of these sized cells get produced...

[@Lesterman_1]

I have already bought an 8 Amp Hour Power Pack for my 961 and I am very happy with its performance. I use mine in a high flow tire shop, I hope this helps! lol 👍

[@FireOLTFD5510]

I just bought one of these as soon as I was able to get it. Thing rockets out stuck bolts and 33mm lugs like no one's business. Haven't gotten to use the "VTEC" yet, but it's still going strong in the hammer casing. I'll keep an eye on it as I daily it for lug nuts and U bolts.

[@sage5296]

The titan batteries makes sense somewhat. rechargeable batteries always have a tradeoff between energy density and discharge rate (often measured in C, 1C means you can drain the thing in an hour safely, 2C means you could do it in half an hour. Stuff you might find in quadcopters can be as high as 10-15C sometimes). If the discharge rate isn't there, you can get a lot power, just not enough of it at once to feed the tool. And given that Titan is focused on high energy density batteries, it makes sense that it wouldn't perform well with this BEAST of a tool

[@pigletshut]

Well if they're here to friendshore power tool batteries, another option is Molicel cells - Taiwanese company with facilities in British Columbia, Canada. I have 5 of their P28As on hand intending to build a 2Ah form factor Dewalt battery with. Those are rated 35A discharge iirc. The shell, for me, could come from China, but Titan can certainly try to arrange to make them in the US. Molicel has since upped the 18650s to 3Ah and has 21700s that do 5Ah at 10C.

[@stevemccauley5734]

Those batteries make no sense at all. That’s not what the “C” rating means. It is the rate of discharge. The C is a multiple of nominal rated amps a cell can discharge in a burst before being depleted. For instance if a battery is rated 2000 mAh @ 20C, It can produce 40000 mAh or 40 amps for 5 minutes. I haven’t flown RC airplanes in about 8 years but even back then we had 30C rated LiPo cells. I’d hope they’ve come farther than that by now. As the years went by, the C ratings increased as more energy dense cells were being made. That’s my issue with these Titan batteries. If those cells are supposedly energy dense, they’re doing a bad job of it.

[@jaywelker5566]

they make basically 0 sense when you're trying to run power tools off an 8A CDR specced cell though. 20A is the bare minimum for CDR type power tool usage, not borderline useless 20A "burst currents" which conveniently only hold up somewhat because TTC tests are limited to 15s max and a lot of rest periods unlike changing 4-6 wheels on say a semi or heavy diesel truck. About the only things these batteries would do truly decent at is stuff like random orbit sanders. Power draw is low enough not to cause heatdeath in at least the 8.0, and the tool would have much better balance since it's not ~2.2-2.4 lbs like a standard 8.0 Dewalt OEM pack. These packs would fold so bad on angle grinders and circular saws. The 4.0 would shid itself on impact drivers and the 8.0 would also shid itself just on drills, ex: 1007. Cold environments? Going to choke even harder yet.

[@stanimir4197]

@@jaywelker5566 pretty much my thoughts 8A discharge is not a serious business. I'd go further and call it irresponsible. 8A would be good for lawnmower and vacuum cleaner robots - but that's it. Even sanders can be rated over 200W (so not ideal, either). I didn't see electronics, yet adding mosfets to limit the discharge current is likely a necessity to prevent catastrophic failures. Edit: the case being made of ABS would also means lower impact resistance too, ABS is UV unstable so don't let them outside either.

[@anthonylancer]

The people love you. You guys are really number one out of everybody.

[@aaronbritt2025]

Glad to see a made in the USA option for those of us who specifically shop or that. I read their comment about releasing a second gen battery with an updated PCB.; I look forward to buying a couple of the second gen batteries for my M18's.

[@Titanpower]

Thanks for the support!

[@realandrewhatfield]

They should have made it 60V! 🤣 Will FlexVolt move to this tabless, cant wait to see those numbers!

[@Pause0]

but then they cant sell me another torque wrench lmao!

[@JMiller2106]

bought a dcf964 myself, thing is a power house used with a 9Ah flexvolt no issues with any bolt or nut.

[@thenexthobby]

Mostly use my 1/2" impact as a lug nut remover/installer at home, where the socket-weld is real. Can't imagine wanting to use something even stronger ... but my impact sockets are likely junk quality. Either that or I haven't yet found a car manufacturer that uses accurate lug nut sizes and the slop contributes to the issue. Shame about the Titans, from my perspective. Especially for buyers, who surely bought them because of the FLAG plastered all over them. Like a lot of users I do my best to avoid buying batteries outright, waiting for a sale on a new tool/free batt combo of some kind. Great time of year for that.

[@zachvargas122588]

Finally been waiting for this!! GREAT content as always TTC!!

[@ThriftyToolShed]

That is a powerhouse! Thanks for the testing!

[@jonathanshaw8868]

Let's see the milwaukee 1" d-handle with the new 12ah forge battery

[@bbkmm1]

Please keep us updated on that warranty process. Since I've heard not so pleasant stories with Dewalt warranty processes.

[@gwall1789]

I’m not a fan either. Never had a problem with Milwaukee warranty, even without a receipt. DeWalt requires a receipt and I submitted a reciprocating saw (lock pin for the blade wore out) to their repair center 8 days before the 3 year warranty expired (had the receipt) and they denied the warranty. Had to pay almost the cost of a new one.

[@davidreynolds731]

That’s wild, I’ve never had an issue. They have sent me replacements and told me to keep the old tool. And send batteries no questions asked. I’ve probably warrantied 6-7 in the last 6 years without issue.

[@g8beast679]

A great time to be on the Dewalt platform. They are killing it with the new products. Now only if they focus on expanding their 12v line. A long shot since Atomic line exists, but hey, we can dream... right?

[@brianblithe2271]

Thanks for showing these new Titan batteries, one thing they are missing ( or am i wrong) is the UL listing on the back sticker, everything lithium/electric battery needs to be UL listed today.

[@theterrarianman1018]

As someone who’s a slight airsoft enthusiast, I was like “no way it’s THAT titan”

[@Titanpower]

It's US alright! We are working on gen 2 for these because we aren't happy with the performance!

[@KaminStalker]

Great video! Would love to see more tabless vs pouch cell battery testing

[@knockinhonkers2242]

Man I've only seen Titan airsoft batteries, cool to see them expanding into other areas!

[@Titanpower]

We are working on a few different things right now that'll be launched over the next couple years!

[@tpp4007]

I got the DCF 900 and it absolutely has no problems doing any mechanical work in terms of taking off the bolts or lug nuts. I didn’t even consider the 961, and now this? Wow!

[@andrewfidel2220]

You're probably work on a car or light truck, once you step up to class 6 trucks or heavy equipment like bulldozers the needs get a bit higher =)

[@Slane583]

@@andrewfidel2220 Big trucks, big machines or as the TTC joke goes, a Honda crank bolt. 😁

[@Pause0]

I've had an 891 for bout a year now and its stood up to everything in the shop so far, XR battery works, but if i need that little bit more then I've got a 9 amp hour flex volt to beef it up. I'm probably gonna spare my 1/2" sockets though and get a 964 as the new "fuck you" gun.

[@cheesebone82]

That failure sounds like the same failure I've had on three different 891's. I gave up on warrantying them, and it still seems to work fine.

[@ronbaer67]

im here for the titan batteries. love seeing the reshoring of industry

[@Titanpower]

We love to see it too! We will have gen 2 out next year with improved performance!

[@brianingham3780]

My 964 takes off 33mm lugs all day for the last 3 months and is still the best gun in the shop

[@connor3288]

Do you need an extra deep wheel socket to remove rear duals?

[@brianingham3780]

@ nope my standard 3/4 drive deep will take em off. If you have the real long studs and dual steel wheels it’s a little close but it’ll do it

[@tatertotsandbattlebots]

For the record, Titan is considered the cream of the crop in the airsoft world. They make some seriously good batteries for airsoft/RC use. This tool battery change up is outside of their norm so I'll be interested to see what they offer in a few years time.

[@Titanpower]

Just give us some time! We will knock your socks off. We already know what the problem is and working on Gen2 as we speak...and some new stuff for airsoft as well!

[@tatertotsandbattlebots]

@Titanpower happy to hear it, love you guys!

[@AntonioClaudioMichael]

Wow 1265 foot pounds with dewalts new tablets 8ah PowerPack that is impressive I'm digging this 964 and the 961 models 12:46 @Torque Test Channel

[@MarissaTheMuse]

What’s better power stack/pouch or tab-less cell

[@AntonioClaudioMichael]

@MarissaTheMuse I feel the pouch cells provide more power and amps but the tab less will sustain power and current longer

[@MarissaTheMuse]

@@AntonioClaudioMichael thanks

[@AntonioClaudioMichael]

​@@MarissaTheMuse no problem at all hope the information is helpful the pouch style can dump more amps and power faster but can't do it for long periods of time the Tab less can dump lots of amps and current for long periods of time and sustain that power smoothly

[@Mobile_Dom]

theres a difference between energy density and power density, the amrpius cells are really energy dense, but their power density is a little above average, as you said, impacts dont need as run energy density as power desnity

[@Demorthus]

Awesome video! Really appreciate the battery comparisons as well, it's super useful because it goes to show even if you may not have the immediate cash for the new tabless.. The previous ones still perform damn well! Also, this is one of the first videos where the impact wrench... Doesn't sound like the typical impact wrench 😂 it's like a behemoth when just comparing *sound* profiles (in a good way). Small tip, (YMMV) a small cotton swab dab of Ballistol is what I tend to apply on an anvil or socket to help during times where I suspect it might get stuck. It helps alot as well for smaller impacts where I've had to grab pliers just to remove the damn bit out of the holder (as a more "normal/common" example). In those instances you can of course use less since the it's a smaller surface area 👍🏽

[@Lagittaja]

12:12 Hardly curious. Li-ion cell chemistries have a trade off. High capacity and high discharge, pick one. 4000mAh out of a single 18650? Yeah, sure, sounds plausible. Large manufacturers (Panasonic/Sanyo, LG, Samsung) with all their might and R&D expense manufacture 18650's up to around 3400-3600mAh with rated discharge currents of up to 5-8A maybe 10A continuous. I would love if you guys would do a follow up with these batteries, testing the cells individually at different constant currents. Meaning down from 200mA up to 10A or 20A. Comparing to brand name cells like 35E, 25R, HG2, MJ1 etc. If you're not into testing the other cells I mentioned by yourself, maybe talk with the chap behind lygte-info if you could feature their results in your video.

[@riba2233]

Lygte stopped testing cells a long time ago, mooch and pajda do it now. They have already tested vapcell 4ah 18650a and they are ok

[@Titanpower]

We pulled these from the market weeks ago because we weren't happy with the performance, we know the PCB is what is throttling it and are working on gen 2 now! For the full details see our comment above!

[@riba2233]

@@Titanpower really, pcb is throttling and not these cells that are far too weak to be used with power tools? How did you even get the idea to use low current cells for tool battery packs?

[@riba2233]

Lygte is not testing cells anymore, look at mooch or pajda for more current tests . Vapcell had an 4ah 10A cell for quite some time now

[@TonicofSonic]

This is better entertainment than watching proffesional sports.

[@A-G-F-]

Titan is a great brand, their Airsoft batteries are some of the most durable batteries out there, theyre also pretty high capacity (their 7.4v batteries are pretty dense considering their footprint) But same as here, their Li-Ion cells lack the extra oompfh that Li-Po batteries offer, so theyre not the first option for some fast-cycle airsoft replicas

[@Titanpower]

Couldn't have said it better ourselves! Thanks for the kind words!

[@Xaluber]

Yeah, 8A of maximum continuous discharge is NOT enough for a power tool battery. 15A is the minimum but generally 18650 based tool batteries will use 20A cells. Low maximum discharge current has always been the tradeoff with ultra high capacity cells.

[@stevenaamos]

Is it bad that I want one when I own zero 3/4" sockets?? Great info on the Titans. Would like to see more testing with those. Love the USA Made

[@enthused7591]

Those tabless 8.0 powerpacks are more impressive than I guessed they would be. Tabless is the future I guess, likely for everything from cars to power tools.

[@leoncaly4290]

I’ve been waiting for this video all year. 🎉

[@kristoferfc6525]

"Discharge Delta Detour" xD that could be a great band name lol

[@rkskdevildog1218]

I am familiar with Titan batteries from the Airsoft market and I’m excited to see them in the Cordless Tool market! 1:51

[@Titanpower]

We are excited to be entering it! We expected this performance and are working on a gen 2 now!

[@rkskdevildog1218]

@ I can’t wait to see what Gen 2 has in store! The fact that you guys are even keeping up with this review proves the dedication to making a great product.

[@slingin_tires]

The torque that tests the channel!!

[@americansmark]

My 961 shattered a semi trailer lug nut. Like pieces flying in every direction. This thing would be glorious.

[@DeadKoby]

I suppose it would be more fair to test the Titan battery vs. DeWalt battery in a long run test on a moderate draw tool like a drill.

[@Olliinn]

Came here for a torque test, got sold on some new batteries😂 first time I have seen those

[@Miked1332]

Just waiting for Titan to have these batteries back in stock. I'm getting some for sure.

[@Titanpower]

Working on Gen 2 now! These batteries aren't the performance we wanted and so we pulled them from the market, We are expecting gen 2 to drop early next year! See our long comment for details!

[@laukc7085]

As an auto tech of 13+ years in Wisconsin, that “V tech” would annoy the crap out of me. I don’t want to be hitting on a fastener for 4-5 seconds before the tool starts to “fully” work. Especially on a tool that large and heavy. Having to hold it for any extra time just seems to be a recipe for a needlessly exhausting day.

[@joeschmoe6908]

I agree. I'm only grabbing this beast if I KNOW I need it.

[@Stoyvster]

I'm assuming that these big guns need to ramp up to full torque after some time instead of immediately is to save them from breaking apart. I bet if someone could enable only the vtec setting it would sound like the one in the video at the end after only one use.

[@BrokeGuyBBQ]

It's not bad actually. Been using the 961 for a year as a career diesel tech since 2007

[@laukc7085]

For me, anything my gen 2 milwaukee mid torque can't do, I'm getting my IR 2235. I've had the high torque guns from milwaukee, including the newest gen, but they are just too big and awkward to use around a car most of the time.

[@BrokeGuyBBQ]

@laukc7085 I've ran into that also with the 961 dewalt. It's going up for sale and I'm gonna get the dewalt 900. I keep my air cat 1250k around for that exact reason.

[@ericduckman3135]

Generally, with lithium ion cells you can have High Capacity or High Discharge, choose 1.

[@huntercook6605]

Thanks guys! I was waiting for this one...and then the Titan batteries was a great bonus. Hope they start making some tabless models...

[@Titanpower]

We expected this and pulled these from the market weeks ago, we are working on gen 2 And they will be great! Check out our full comment above for all the details.

[@sixtyfiveford]

Win for team Dewalt

[@gark64]

In the airsoft world, Titan batteries are known as long-life but low-output batteries. A 3000mAh 7.4v battery will only output like 25ish amps, but it'll last a whole game day.

[@Titanpower]

Try multiple game days ;)

[@captindan5460]

This will be good for DeWalt they can warranty the tool and then do a deep dive why it failed.

[@AntonioClaudioMichael]

The titan batteries look like there Wrapped in Blacked Out old Style Dewalt 5ah and 2am Battery Cases 8:00 @Torque Test Channel

[@CL-yp1bs]

Please note there is a difference between energy density and power density… They are the opposite… Since these are high energy density cells that means they are low power density

[@mikethetoolman8776]

sold a few of these and the guys are loving them!!! now if we could get you to fix the many issues with the pastor THOR impacts and air hammers, life would be better!

[@organiccrack516]

Anyone who uses Titan's other batteries will not be surprised to hear that they're not great for high output "burst" kind of loads, typical of torque wrenches and electric airsoft guns. Fine for most applications, but won't do it the fastest

[@ajmalin121]

I have literally shared this video with every man I know 👍🏻

[@jsplasha]

Great work on the batteries

[@HansOvervoorde]

Great that you tested with a 60V Max battery too!!

[@smpstech]

That 4ah Titan would be perfect on a cordless ratchet.

[@tgmotoman1]

Interesting, was rooting for the Titan battery, but it was a little bit of a let down

[@Titanpower]

We agree! Check out our comment above for all the details! We are aware of the issues, it being in our PCB, and working on gen 2 now! We are expecting gen 2 to hit the market early next year!

[@justinv3080]

Always love new record beans!

[@RabidBadger_]

I'd be interested to see how the XGT does with the BL4040F.

[@johnmorrow1628]

I have seen 3 of the DCF961 be warrantied because of the grinding gears

[@default9740]

Good to have this feedback before I recommend this tool to some users. Will wait for the Type 2.

[@johnmorrow1628]

@default9740 I bought the dcf964 of the mac tool truck. If it breaks at least, I can warrenty it easily A few guys in my shop have the dcf 961 2 of then broke after a month. Ajd then mac guy said ge had to warrenty another

[@TheJensss]

For further battery testing I think you should have a high performance reference battery pack, where you know the cells are the actual limitation and not poor conductors etc within the battery. Then you can truly test if new battery types actually perform better than the old traditional cells. The reference pack could be built with Molicel INR21700-P50B the upgrade from the previous spicy packs you have built for the videos

[@mattbowser5274]

I just ordered I have been waiting along time

[@darrenhenderson7076]

Also that Ingersoll Rand impact wrench that has different size anvils tou change out with the splines inside the tool has came out with sockets that fit it and says it provides 15 to 30% more power with them

[@dev_lskr]

Can't wait to see the 36v and 60v gen 2 1" guns

[@Lesterman_1]

My local Mac Tools dealer has had an American flagged version on his truck for a while now but I see no need for anything above the 961 at this point lol. I told him "if or when you get an American flaged 961, I'm going to trade in..." 🤘

[@kanehoward7050]

Titan ought to swap over to Molicell performance batteries. The performance enthusiast flashlight scene has been using 18650 rated at 35amp continuous draw for years. Also 21700 with 45amp continuous draw. Check out P26A and P42A from Molicell.

[@Titanpower]

The Amprius cells should hold performance with Molicell, just have a longer runtime for most applications. The issue in this test was our PCB and we are working on gen2 as we speak!

[@kanehoward7050]

@Titanpower good to know! Can't wait to see what kind of power y'all can make! Also, thanks for the response!

[@Titanpower]

@@kanehoward7050 Of course! Appreciate your time to give feedback!

[@slingin_tires]

I'm really hoping the 961/964 get an in-depth look at the planetary gears and the ring gear to determine what causes the failure, I've tried adding additional grease but that seemed to help much if any. Never was sure why the gears are a thin 2 stage setup when they only use the one stage from what I can tell. The DCF900 has a much bigger/beefier single stage gear that holds up much better overall. Hoping DeWalt can and will resolve this...

[@Benerman2006]

Test all the new forge line of Milwaukee lineup. I’m interested to see if the 6ah still wins out of the other amps. Thanks for all the great content.