Total War: Shogun 2- How to Defeat Matchlock Campers

[@PennyTheGoblin]

One thing I've found extremely important in Shogun 2 is to zoom in all the way A LOT. This really showed it here, but most people stay in a more "tactical view" top-down. When you zoom in you can really see the terrain bump. Sometimes I use matchlocks and I never understood why very few men were hit. When I zoomed in, I realized they were shooting into a hill.

[@VelthAkabra]

RIP Yari units; the heroes we need, but not the ones we deserve.

[@TheAnigai]

Jesus Christ your PC is screaming.

[@TheGurkenfass]

Well the key is to avoid direct hits. You can easily drain all their ammo without even sacrificing a single unit if you do it right. The Koku exchange then is in your favour.

[@Yakuzathug]

Fantastic video, I learned a butt load. I don't need to read the art of war when you *are* the art of war. Major props!

[@MrBlue006]

I was playing a siege battle against a guy earlier who basically spammed the Red Bear unit, along with 2 units of spear kachi and 1 katana kachi as well as his general. I spread my units out his fort to begin with but when I moved my archers within range I noticed his units weren't firing back because I had unintentionally placed my archers below a hill. I lost about 6 archers but killed 180 of his men before he quit!

[@nilloc93]

yes, for FOTS i would recommend bringing naginata attendants (rise of the samurai DLC) or Yari samurai like the author suggested. A thing to note with FOTS is their Shogitai (no dachi) are the BEST MELEE INFANTRY IN THE GAME, if you see them don't try and melee them, hit them with cavalry and bow units. Also FOTS units do not usually have armor so ranged weapons are devastating if you use them right. Terrain is also the FOTS weakness, small hillls and the sort will ruin them.

[@mangosquirrel117]

Oh I miss this

[@jsvaldes88]

I honor your Yari Samurai's sacrifice.

[@blackkraut76]

Lol: Yeah! Give it up for all those brave, unmentioned Yaris out there! This brief moment is just for you!

[@Droverious]

Very very great tips and strategies I'll definitely try out screening my meatshield infantry to dominate the battlefield

[@speakdino10]

The whole point of the hill is that the screen won't take a lot of fire, which means they won't route and will tie up the matchlocks. On flat land, you might have to completely rework the strategy.

[@radports]

It's not exactly fair to call the guy a camper since you were camping just as much until you came up with your clever plan of attack. Up until then, you were both just sitting there taking potshots at each other.

[@porterhouse]

As a new Shogun 2 player the videos this guy is putting up are EXTREMELY helpful.

[@steeltwistercoaster]

forget the old ways. we must all use matchlocks now, they are superior.

[@EvilMonkey403]

shamful dispray!

[@brdfnick3886]

you can say shameful dispray when you are dead because those europeans!

[@Hihihihiririri]

They're not the best unit in the game.

[@NaCk210]

I'd NOPE too if I saw angry monks with guns suddenly materialize.

[@Warman00011]

I took this video in a more of what to do with matchlocks to secure victory more than how to defeat them. Good job defeating them.

[@MrGhostly12321]

The argument up top...just...so sweet.

[@Emergence11]

Don't know if it's already been said but I would have pressed F and sent one unit of matchlocks to meet your yari so I can keep shooting.

[@HuskyPride53]

pretty good video man! extremely helpful at this point i am thinking the best way for a matchlock camper to win. put all of the matchlock units and rockets on a mountain along with some yari units?

[@MonsieurTimuel]

The reason bow ashigaru seem to have more ammo than monks is because monks shoot faster, thus depleting ammo quicker, they should all have the same amount of arrows

[@ProudMexican3]

the terrain part is the only thing i forgot when i fought a match lock camper. but i won since i was able to get behind a lil mountain.

[@survivor686]

Thanks for the fire rocket tips!

[@TheBritzius]

I played a match as a vanilla avatar vs. a FotS avatar. It was very reminiscent of "The Last Samurai" sans Tom Cruise.

[@DJYC21215]

@rsetha01 Heir has one but it isnt very helpful. The guy had 1 matchlock vet in heirs video, instead of the typical 3 we see online.

[@Luke_Danger]

16:48 What the heck are they wearing on their backs? Looks like some sort of pack but holy hell that's... a lot of weight. That's gotta fuck up their ability to move. Are they the general's packmules or something?

[@fishsandwichpatrol]

They're actually empty silk bags that were used to stop arrows with decent effectiveness.

[@Luke_Danger]

***** Ah. Makes sense. It just looked really weird; like it would completely throw off their sense of balance and make doing any maneuvers difficult as hell. Never played Shogun 2 but your videos sure are informative in general.

[@MrPicklesAndTea]

***** Not true, that is where they keep the sake. XD

[@keepsake327]

Horo: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horo_%28cloak%29

[@CoDWikiTMOI]

Yep. 5 shots per man, like 15 shots per man with a bow ashigaru. The ammunition amount at the bottom is how much ammo they get.

[@Toratchi888]

When you ran in with your yari samurai screen and engaged the 3 matchlock-monk units, did you charge them properly, or did you run your samurai in the monks' general direction(s) and they happened to collide?

[@TheNighthawk00]

-The other mistake you made was not protecting your archers with your yari samurai. this could have been done had you not send all your spears to take one structure. For the rest I think you played very well. Other approaches were of course possible like swinging your cav behind his lines using the trees as cover (you don't really need to march through the forrest, you just need to keep trees behind your cav and his matchlocks). Maybe a multipronged attack would have worked?

[@itsmrproducts]

Dude what do you think about Bow Samurai vs. Bow Ashigaru? I know most players fav Bow Warrior Monks or Daikyu samurai (who i find quite deadly). I use one Bow Ashigaru + one Bow Samurai - incase they get rushed I find the bow sam stand up ok to other melee units

[@gerritswehla19]

Thanks for all those tips, they were very helpfull i finally can win some battles :D

[@simpbeforeusleep]

Battles are to fast and units move to fast imo, which is why that guy only gets off one volley (as well as you did a good job with your timing). Interesting battle man, I had to do this in Fall of the Samurai and it was epic. I think Rome 2 is slowing down some, we will see.

[@bernhaland]

Hi fish, could u show us your avatar upgrades, it would be usefull to see how u balance it, me myself has one defence 1 bow and all the rest on leadership.

[@faisalnehal372]

I tried sending great guard to kill fire rockets once thinking they'll do it as they're swift. Learnt the lesson the hard way

[@fishsandwichpatrol]

that's an oopsie!

[@faisalnehal372]

Was VERY pissed off. Ended up rage quitting (it was with a friend)

[@DanielSmith-kf3ts]

very nice job...i wish i could think as efficiently as you during battle.. that's one more subscriber for you bro

[@guitarhamster102]

learned to use hills for screening back in empire and napoleon

[@Hobbadz]

dont have this game, yet. i ordered it yesterday and im wondering if is it hard to learn to play it? tactics and all of that? would be nice to know from a guy who plays the game (and yes i ordered shogun 2, not FotS because i want to play this before buying FotS.) and btw, can the enemy see units hiding in the trees? even if its a real player. looking forward to play the game. :)

[@flofelipe]

@THENIGHTELFKALDOREI Can you explain the difference? I had always thought the two were synonymous.

[@Dolfy]

First non boring guide ever

[@Wildcat425B]

Would using a setup similar to your oppenents but with some more support, like swords, work effectively if used aggressively?

[@LeOverlord]

The one dislike was obviously from red...

[@Username01234ful]

if i was the matchlock guy i'd ditch rockts and get more melee infrantry to tie your men down while my rear lines blast u down

[@TheGurkenfass]

Anticav? I usually use cav against fire rockets. I let them shoot and then just dogde their missiles. I dont know if it got patched after the video was out, but i allways found fire rockets landing in my infantry was way more deadly then in cav, since i just microed them out so they dealt little to no damage, whyle with a fire rocket vs inf you could get 200+ kills with ease.

[@p1zzaman]

very clear and concise.

[@TheVideoninjaz]

what do you mean now that fots is out i play original shogun2 so how would we take down the capers on flat terrain

[@kuentai]

go all yari cav, katan cav and great guard, surround him out of range, charge in all directions at same time = break = win.

[@TheNighthawk00]

When I read the title of the video I was thinking how your opponent would play? I was thinking he would either bring archers to defend against yours but that would make his army weaker or he would be very aggressive but being very aggressive with only matchlock units seems quite difficult. I liked your idea of launching the attack when he was on the move. Very smart. I think you played well but I did notice 2 mistakes: -3 yari samurai for taking 1 structure. You should have send 1 or 2 (+ cav)

[@RahulDevanarayanan]

why is it that you cannot put matchlocks behind infantry anymore? wasn't friendly fire always an issue with matchlocks since release?

[@itsmrproducts]

I hate that map. I also hate matchlock warrior monk campers. Love your vids man. I faced a Bow Cav Spammer on this map. I beat him but he constantly kept running away and trying to charge me with his general. Lucky for me my units left were too much for him!

[@THENIGHTELFKALDOREI]

@dexter432432 It's actually tactician. Common misconception. :)

[@MrYaelification]

great strategy man!

[@Quadro2k]

This is much...much....much better than PoM vids! nice!

[@zgSH4DOW]

Matchlock warrior monks vs Red Bear Infantry(etc)?

[@CrimsonGuard1992]

Can you send matchlock units to the fight the campers? In the process it will become an 18th century style warfare.

[@DJYC21215]

@fishsandwichpatrol I think some people hack the game i really do. Ive beaten good players when they had 5 lv 9 matchlock vets, but the other day in a 2v2 the guy had ONE vanillia matchlock ASHIGARU, and as soon as he opened fire, my partner's army routed. the thing is no casualties were created at all, he was in a forest, and the matchlock guy's general died like 10 minutes before he opened fire. Same thing happened on my side. It makes no sence what so ever! We killed 70% of there army!!!!

[@rsetha01]

wow that guy was terrible with his matchlocks. Typical armies i've been facing is matchlock/vet loan sword/spear spam. Its very hard to break through :( Any videos on that?

[@begeura]

I still play vinilla and have no problem killing expansion players, the bows out range them and can out skirmish and if its a map that has woods i can hide my samari and lay the down the hurt then they least expect it; those things destroy moral if there able to get more then 2-3 volleys off before you can get on them, if you can negate that it becomes easy

[@marineninga]

What did you put your skill points into for vet katana samurai?

[@ZeroDarkOmega]

Any tips for taking on Fots armies in the field?

[@t0x1cDr4g0n]

he got crushed hard by the glorious katana samurai^^

[@Rebelcommander6]

I never placed much faith in Matchlocks for this game, but the same strategy you used may give players like me trouble in Empire and FOTS.

[@123swierstra]

lol i just started up multiplayer for the first time cause the campain was so fun then i made a army i joined and coulnd even hit the enemy cause the had matchlock and i had yari asigaru and bow asigaru they where the only ones i could choose o and my general

[@Limrasson]

So, the best way to coutner matchlocks is to to use the terrain and skirmish with bow ashigaru set on loose formation. If they are veterans, then I guess morale, range accuracy and relaod skill are neat for them (or move speed if available). Perhaps use some mounted archers so you can flank a little or skirmish better if enemy army has a better composition? Then use some thorwaway units, some cavalary backed up by bulletproof samurai for isntance? Honestly I prefer quality over quantity, but whenever enemy has guns, it's my bane of existence.

[@goodcomrade2949]

this why i love my bows

[@Thatownageguy1]

i would like to see 2 matchlock campers Versing each other

[@TheJimmyJazz1994]

2:20 - Takeda Katsuyori found that one out the hard way lol

[@TheJosdekerpel]

dude your advice is awesome! keep it up :D

[@CoDWikiTMOI]

Really, Normally I can devastate infantry units when I play with Fire Rockets.

[@OMGitsFMA6666]

The real way to beat matchlock spammers is to spam matchlocks harder.

[@anthonydouglas8229]

i want to play this game but i cant :(

[@RideThruSpace]

Ive noticed, in your video's you barely ever tell your general dismount. Why? Online in the avatar system i like to like my general to dismount cuz he's a melee general and hasnt gotten the No penalty vs spears skill yet

[@oxjmanxo]

the other one was his yari samurai

[@LordMacragge31]

what is FotS?

[@Net_RunR]

You really sound like Jim Halpert from The Office!!

[@Pandemonius88]

fatal floor was his horrible positioning, would like to see you fight a similar battle where your opponent isn't bad :)

[@THENIGHTELFKALDOREI]

What map is this???

[@Exkcal]

Does this work with FOTS units

[@MegaPhoenix39]

matchlock scrubs. nice one man

[@curlykid100]

dude your awesome ive subbed

[@Latwis]

nice one, thank you, had fun watching :)

[@ManCheat2]

.... FOTS you cant play RoftS during that...

[@Ruttledof]

''Spread 'em out wide.. As wide as you can'' Phphphppppphhhh....! xD

[@redtihor1]

Artillery & guns.

[@Yakuzathug]

Just read through the comments, and I couldn't help but laugh at all the people you've upset. It was painfully obvious that your opponent was married to that copse of trees there (camping). You were the only one being proactive in skirmishing, capping and screening a charge (not camping). Can't believe there's even a debate about this.

[@Dusty7460]

make a video with tactics defeating dlc units portuguesse gnneres daiku samurai fire cav, etc...

[@Mortjep9531]

warrior monk bows have 5 more arrows than bow ashigaru

[@magicwing777]

numbers

[@SGProductions87]

irrelevant if they reload faster.

[@Mortjep9531]

A Weir ineed. longer range, faster reload, more arrows, more dmg.

[@Panzerkuchen]

fire rockets are awesome vs anything imo, but you should wait with firing until the enemy is closer i have a rank 8 fire rockets and it rapes everything if its close enough

[@Thatownageguy1]

@fishsandwichpatrol hahahaha so true

[@AntonioJelaca]

takeda

[@blizart08]

Yari samurai Rock :D

[@THENIGHTELFKALDOREI]

I'l pm you.

[@Warman00011]

"The Supreme Art of War is to subdue the enemy without fighting." -Sun Tzu. I don't really think it's impressive to kill a lot of people in war. If you made an army of 4200 rout with minimal human death to both sides I'd be impressed.

[@redtihor1]

I remember a hotseat I played where me & my friend slaughtered over 8000 enemies with only 1500 guys of our own. Are you seriously using kill ratios as a measure of skill? The title speaks for itself- defeating matchlock campers. Good players don't camp' neither do most good Shogun2 players keep more than 2 Matchlock warrior monks in their army. Most clans have home rules for them too.

[@qwertyxxxx12]

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