Total War: Shogun 2- Attacking with an Inferior Force

[@MrTcanelo]

"The only thing I can do in battle is to steel myself against defeat, my enemy will provide me with the means of victory."

[@ParleLeVu]

Quote by whom?

[@adamiqmal9627]

Sun Tzu

[@Joji_dayo]

For a second their towards the beginning, I thought I got a Steam message.

[@Goolesy]

+Moe Magic i minimized the window and started searching too haha

[@TasdiqueChowdhury]

I was searching frantically for where I left it open, but really it was completely closed LOL

[@theunfortunategeneral]

an inferior force requires superior tactics

[@MultiDEVILMAYCRY123]

You can outnumber your opponent with even a small army if you are smart enough.

[@a.morphous66]

Remember to defeat in detail.

[@australianword3812]

@@a.morphous66 or you could always just encircle the enemy with superior troops in the wings and a weaker center

[@australianword3812]

@Alvi Syahri except it would be impossible. This is total war

[@kapitan19969838]

@@australianword3812 Hannibal

[@devilhunterred]

Several things you could have done better: 1) spread your infantry line longer, your infantry rank is too deep. when your ranks are 5-6 men deep, the guys at the back aren't contributing to the fight. 2) should have maneuvered your cavs to get into the rear or flanking position earlier to draw a few arrow volleys or make the opponent pull a unit or two away from the main fight, allowing your infantry to win easier 3) the matchlock bait unit should have fired at least one volley before engaging the spear ashigaru, and even better you could have kited them to keep them engaged longer. 4) should have used 1 cav to disrupt the archers and 1 cav to attack the general. would have won the battle a lot sooner if you take out his general first, which is easy with yari cavs. 5) if you are patient enough, could have waited and force him to advance and sacrifice his height advantage. otherwise a good fight

[@zevooxgames2366]

Its so hard to think stright and quick in the fight and because of that i think that it takes much time to learn to be calm in hard situations like this... Also your advices looks good so i will try to remember about them when i try to win another battle ;)

[@nilloc93]

I take issue with points 2 and 4 2the bulk of his armies strength was his cavalry, his infantry was basically worthless so there would be no point in sacrificing perfectly good cavalry to save low teir infantry 4 sending cav to attack a general can be dangerous, BG's can lock down any cav unit if microed well and someone running a full melee spec can outfight shogunate guard cav 1 on 1, not to mention the close proximity to spear units

[@Noble845]

Yo guys are talking about a comment made last year lol

[@MrUnicorn15]

Artorias Sif Doesn't make it invalid now does it? ^^

[@MrAkurvaeletbe]

Artorias Sif well i read it now and i found all replies interesting.

[@luisfck2119]

I can't believe how you pulled this off, pretty awesome

[@arsnakehert]

Watching this makes me feel like the actual target audience for Sun Tzu's Art of War

[@georgecairns8584]

How to win with an inferior force: Step 1:start battle. Step 2: read the art of war. Step 3:profit

[@Lionbug]

was a cool battle, I wonder how military geniuses wouldve handled it (like Napoleon / Hannibal...) I´d really like to see such a great maneuver \[T]/

[@Username93611]

@Username93611 This battle was essentially won by, principally, poor use of yari. Second, his unit of infantry, missing in action mid-battle, third, his dangling general, rather than a sound strategy on either side's part.

[@justsomeguywhoownsacompute9732]

A close battle, I have to say that you didn't win... your opponent lost. Well played.

[@seanwalters1977]

Cav is everything in Total War

[@Ivorytrigger]

even in real life when there was a battle

[@kaleidoscope3234]

it is hard to believe it is still true even in a version of total wars where everyone gets a cheap spear

[@a.morphous66]

You need infantry. An entirely cavalry army will be devastated unless they can keep moving constantly. Cav is not everything, but it is very useful.

[@alexb578]

yes horse archer very good

[@seanwalters1977]

Who said anything about entire cav armies?

[@trapper7954]

More of these replay breakdowns pls

[@oldiesrule1]

I don't think you upload anymore but I learned how to play shogun 2 from watching your videos XD

[@saelaird]

Last night I beat: 2x yari ashigaru, 1x yari samurai, 2x archers and a general with: 1x general and 1x katana samurai. Felt like Genghis Khan!

[@saelaird]

@I am I placed my katana in a single file and charged into their 3x Spear units. Kept them under 'hold' orders. My general had to be used to run around the back of their melee line and repeatedly charged their two archer units. It was only possible after the enemy general engaged my katana after a few minutes. High experience on both units, use of 'inspire' and improved weaponry on katana unit. 😇

[@Chreeeis]

It was no surprise you won, it was over the second he left his army open for your cavalry.

[@peterchuvalov]

at around 6:00 u say that your units r starting to waver cause of heavy casualties - but also look - he used the rally ability, and if he had a retainer which allowed the rally ability to also decrease the morale of the enemy units, then... yea u get me)) i think that was the case then) good vid

[@PutiAndini]

Good advice from u, that we have to use our army to support our core

[@thoughtfulrooster8076]

I usually take a defensive position, when the opponent has the upperhand when it comes to numbers, and use Yari Ashigaru in yari wall to hold the line while I send swords to flank. If I have calvary then its even better. Use those puppies to break their general, then bows. Great plays here dude.

[@Star_cab]

Steam message ping confused me.

[@thelearningimperative6797]

Nice walkthrough, the other guy gave you quite a bit of a chance. Maybe he was waiting to see if you had other ambushers? I don't know why he wouldn't pepper your cavalry with bowfire from the outset, they're pretty vulnerable to it.

[@waynediffin7225]

use your cavalry to draw infantry spear away from his core on the flanks. then while you do that your main force can smash the middle.. he wont have a choice but to keep his infantry spears out of the fight he will eventually put them in to try break the fray, when he does charge the flanks repeatedly and boom

[@blitzkierg3455]

hey I want to ask a newbie question but how close should you be to draw infantry unit using a cav

[@waynediffin7225]

@@blitzkierg3455 make contact and trigger combat then pull them back. Dont hit withdraw let the cavalry move away as the combat stage remains engaged and the infantry will follow for a bit. Once they stop run them again and repeat. You'll lose some.horses but it draws the front lines out enough to get infantry on the flanks. Or use the cavalry to pull them to the flank and use archers from the side which negates armour bonus and dodge bonus. Keep the horses out of tree lines.. keep the horses in open formation as well as their archers will be trying to shoot the cav you can effectively break up their front line like this and have some heavy shock infantry ready to smash into the centre with light support on the flanks. Then get your cav to the sides and start assisting the light I gantry with charge after charge into their rear. Ir run down their archers and route them causing a break test. You can route entire armies like this.

[@blahbleh5671]

Doesn't the yellow/red bar at the top right suggest he has the advantage?

[@albanianprince1]

I always get 4 units of Yari cav. Tip-Always get cav as you can win even if they have a spear army or have spear support always get cav my tip always works for me. Get Rid of hist cav first. So then you can do hammer and anvil strikes.

[@zevooxgames2366]

I dont rly know why it is but when you control your army in the Shogun 2 you rly feel like it would be a real battle! I cant rly feel that way in other TW games like for example Rome II ;/ TW Shogun 2 is just on the peak of TW franchise... Everything that was made after it wasnt that good... ;/

[@kaleidoscope3234]

you are comparing shogun 2, the best TW ever, with Rome II, one of the franchise worse failure?

[@zevooxgames2366]

Yeah cuz i bought Rome II (because i like the period) and wanted to feel great in it but even tho now after patches its not bad it still falls short comapred to Shogun 2 ^^

[@zord1352]

Try mediaval 2. These 2 games made the best feeling and allowed the most tactics. For me, the newest games are just like arcade games :(

[@BlazedBob]

Shogun 2 is my favorite out of all the TW games.

[@rubenheymans1988]

Sauron slaughtering natives was fun ^^ and the map size was how it should always be

[@Gamerofthegame]

Gotta say, that didn't seem to bad. It was a Ashigaru-centric enemy army and you had matchlocks. Bows or not, those matchlocks could have wrecked them. I also gotta say it'd probably have been a safe idea to dismount the general, who becomes basically a Katana hero.

[@carbon1255]

Nah, he easily kept his general away from spears. Mounted they have far more health. Its only worth in dire straights when needing to engage high level spear units.

[@r-saint]

Very nice.

[@MushroomPickles]

Silly boi didnt leave any reserves. One Yari Ashigaru in reserve would have thwarted your whole cavalry charge.

[@wow-oq6jc]

John Dick so true

[@sonseybump]

you are getting bigger everyday keep up the good work ^^

[@twomoronsplay]

@fishsandwichpatrol ya i noticed that at the very beginning. Good battle non the less. i really hope i cna play you

[@nexusx2006]

Can you narrate my games while I play?

[@lordtidus12]

@fishsandwichpatrol is your general a melee cavalry or missile cavalry? I couldn't really see, and i was hoping missile cavalry was back, like in RTW generals could be missile cavalry. Oh yeah, and also, matchlock are gunmen right? I wasn't sure since i havent played this game b4.

[@Pinkpapi]

why didn't you hit his general with your Yari Cav? isn't that gonna have a big penalty on your enemy's morale? or is that the wrong thing to do? Cause i recently did a sneak attack on an enemy general in an MP battle; early game. "killed his general " before our armies even engaged.

[@jameshetherington1]

I could be stupidly wrong as I'm new to total war, but by breaking up the archers and disrupting his enemies lines he gave a bit more advantage to his infantry, when he finally does attack and kill the general with his cavalry (from the rear) it's easier than a head on confrontation - and at that point in the battle losing the general causes the rest of his army to break

[@jameshetherington1]

I just realised after 6 years you probably have lost interest!

[@dabo5078]

@@jameshetherington1 Do remember in this battle the enemy general was initially guarded by a yari ashigaru. Killing the bows and relieving his crumbling infantry line is the right move. Even if you kill the enemy general as long as their units are doing well in their fights they will not route.

[@CitrusFreak12]

I'm just getting into Shogun 2 and haven't had any experience with multiplayer yet, and my Google-Fu is failing me; what are the lone sword units? Are they like ronin?

[@AnthonySmith22]

Posting losses wouldn't really help people play the game. The reason he used the matchlocks the way he did was to try and split the other army up so his own wouldn't get mauled straight away and he could effectively move his cavalry about. I think as the enemy had more infantry units he would be able to commit some to the matchlocks and tear them apart, however it would've been useful to move the matchlocks high up so they could cause some damage to the infantry and maybe rout some of them.

[@romans3v24]

“Here we go”

[@adrianaalonzo3048]

How do you charge with ashigaru or yard samurai? #newbie

[@leevin7546]

By running towards your enemy. So basically 2 arrows

[@twomoronsplay]

A tip with matchlocks. Use them on more heavily armoured units like heros or general or something. they dominate against heavy armoured units. also can we play eachother oneday. if so tell me ur steam username in pm. very good battle btw

[@MisterRandom101]

have you done a campaign walkthrough

[@Mitch-jh7qj]

how on earth do i get good at this game im getting beat on east difficulty lol

[@twostickzach1739]

The campaign mode is devilishly hard IMO - easy for learning is a good call. The biggest things to understand are: 1 - the rock/paper/scissors nature of cavalry/spears/swords. Spears generally beat cavalry, swords generally beat spears, and cavalry is generally good against most footsoldiers except spears (and is very fast/good for flanking to boot.) 2 - the difference between Ashigaru and Samurai. Ashigaru are halfway between peasants and professional soldiers, while samurai are very elite (better morale, better attack, better armor). You'll do well with a mix of both - Ashigaru to roadblock, and Samurai as the hammer. The difference between quality can sometimes upset the rock/paper/scissors dynamic long enough to cause a key rout. The downside to Samurai is they cost a lot more to recruit/upkeep, and take longer to train, hence why mixing Ashigaru in can balance the pricetag. You can also net some free kills with missile units in the right situations, but they are often very vulnerable to melee, and will evaporate under cavalry. Make sure you put them in skirmish mode if you dont want to watch them too hard, that makes them run away when threatened with melee. Also, after your lines engage, turn off fire and will and tell them to halt so you dont arrow your buddies! Alternatively, pick another enemy to shoot that is not currently fighting with your boys. I dont leave home without 3-4 in an army. A good way to start is to have spears within reach of flanks/ rear to try and punish a flanking move with cavalry. Swords are generally good as the main battle line. Outnumber enemy units as often as possible without opening your sides/rear to nearby baddies. Other tips - you want to cause a mass rout in order to win. Things that hurt enemy morale include losing at a fight/casualties (where rock/paper/scissors comes in), being attacked on the flanks/rear, being tired, being outnumbered, and friends routing. Sometimes even moving a unit to threaten a flank can cause a unit to break. To defend against morale, you are trying to prevent the above. In addition, you get boosts from the general being in range, and some general abilities like rally/inspire. Practice makes perfect! Good luck!

[@xKillerPro1997]

nice fight!!u were so fast at thinking a new straregy so u won.i think that u could use your matchlocks better at your right flank but gg :)

[@theomen49]

fish, why do you almost never use the inspire abilitah?

[@shipshrekt2156]

That guy failed so hard.

[@cipher88101]

are you using a 64bit OS

[@AbdulHannanAbdulMatheen]

👏🙂 Badass

[@thunderstorm997]

Honestly, Fish won this battle on the other guy's mistakes more than his own skill, but as Sun Tzu once said, "I am more afraid of our own mistakes than our enemies devices.".

[@leevin7546]

How do you get loan sword ashigarus?

[@fishsandwichpatrol]

They are not available in the main campaign unless you are Ikko Ikki I believe

[@leevin7546]

***** Oh man that blows.

[@kaleidoscope3234]

they are available right away in multiplayer along with other ashigaru tier units even if you don't have any DLCs.

[@Username93611]

Constructive criticism comment: You seem to only post victories. Many times your victories come down to errors on the part of your opponent, rather than sound strategy that you discuss in your video "what is strategy." Here, you stress your discomfort at having to use cavalry to win the battle. That has more to do with your lack of familiarity with using a non-infantry core to win. The matchlock units were useless here, but only the way you used them.

[@BerlinMeinLeben]

@fishsandwichpatrol i want to join too lvl 8

[@JonatasAdoM]

3:34 If only he had rocket artillery....

[@rtgh2010]

Good game . :)

[@alexlewis2248]

the funny thing is that battles arent won with strategy anymore in SHOGUN... join any game and if u don't have vets + clan tokens uve already lost.. even if u flank and have the high ground. Utter bullshit... EXAMPLES: i once sent 2 great guard and one yari cav against one vetted up fire cav with clan tokens (they all routed despite hammering a unit that was just walking and from multiple sides), Another time i sent my fire rockets against an enemies to do a comparison (mine are level 7 vets) his are also level 7 (but with clan tokens) and the range on his unit's is literally 1.5 times what mine are... they got destroyed before even being anywhere near in range to fire So yeh strategy is useless, players with clan tokens and vets just right click ur front most guy and go take a piss... dont even get me started on DLC advantage over default units on top of all of that.

[@General638]

dude why dont you just stop hating? i dont see you posting any videos up