Totally Not A Podcast #13 - SURPRISE

[@ItsGravyBabyy]

The Hybis part was funny for me simply because his biggest problem of the dehumanizing act is “this is messing up my pants” like that’s just perfect Hybis to me lol

[@CheemsBased]

Ajay’s based, this episode was really fun. Made my Friday for sure

[@eyeofthebeholder_]

I think Ajay made his best point right at the beginning of the episode. Daima as a narrative has absolutely zero stakes because we already know how it's going to end, so there should be more focus placed on the journey itself presenting something new and exciting, which is something that (according to Ajay) this episode succeeds at above all the others. I'm more on the side of Mark's argument where, I thought it was a good episode but it didn't move me like it clearly did Ajay. Calling it a waste of time, on the other hand, is unwarranted.

[@Stratilex]

Not a waste of time, but still allowed to be a weak episode to some people

[@narddog2151]

It's warranted.

[@orbboom6119]

I agree that this was the first time the world felt unique, cuz otherwise this 2nd world wouldve been the most bland, and it helps to build up the dynamics of the gang before they start fighting in the climax. But yeahhh being episode 13 in a short series, it definitely feels like a filler episode.

[@duckboyprimer]

​@@orbboom6119 yeah I agree I like what it showcased I enjoyed what we saw of this world it had a little bit of lore in the energy source for the ship which will probably lead somewhere, otherwise I definitely understand how it could be considered a filler episode, but I did thoroughly enjoy it for what it was.

[@t-nmint5381]

It's warranted. Boring, stupid, unfunny episode.

[@TheKingOfRooks]

15:37 what did this series ever promise that wasn't this? If people went in expecting anything other than a limited adventure series with the goal of taking the series back to it's roots then that's just them hyping themselves up and getting disappointed. Did people really expect like SSJ4 or something in this series? The idea it'd be anything other than what it is is absurd, and anyone who expected that just wasn't paying attention or was wilfully deluding themselves in hope.

[@aldente42092]

I almost wanna bet money that we will see those giants again in the last episode. Like Gomah ends up as the dogs chew toy or something.

[@matthewcurcio2923]

Tyson came across like an IGN reviewer here lol, he trashed this episode to hell and back and then gave it a 6.8 😭

[@joshuaguevara6775]

I had to replay this episode 2-3 times kept falling asleep

[@Rizzo258]

Shin/Nahare said they can’t travel through the Warp-Sama’s without a ship. Glorio is obviously sabotaging the ship to slow them down so Arinsu could get the Dragon Ball.

[@SuperSuperSpork]

I 100% think Glorio is messing with the ship If the constant crashing isn't something bigger, I'm going to be kinda annoyed

[@KnightsGone]

I don't think so, I kind of doubt that Arinsu is updating Glorio with the first ball

[@theradionicrevival8068]

i think the broader issue is the execution of it if true. so now the ship's just been repetively crashing in mostly the same ways and no ones becoming all that wise to it beyond pointing it out as a pattern. shin is a non-entity now. a good way to shake things up may be to play with the fact that he's watching him so now the ship tampering becomes infrequent and replaced with other intentional obstacles, making each time he does it, ESPECIALLY to the ship more tense due to shin no longer capable of being fooled the same way twice anymore. now that he has more members on his side outwardly saying things to make everyone question glorio as much as he does. using each oppurtunity and failure at masking/distracting him as an oppurtunity to plant seeds of doubt in more of them. have it be different and escalate. while everyone else is in dragonball, these 2 are in love is war ntm in stories like jojo's and sandland they switch to vastly different vehicles every once in awhile for more grounded and the who, what, where why and how they get destroyed or ditched is varied interesting each time while serving the meta narrative purpose of being an excuse to get us immersed in the adventure and not just skip to the end in jojo and sandland it's going from cars to ships to tanks and jeeps, to planes, camels and submarines. they're not only aware that wrecks are happening they take constant unique strides to prevent them and semi-succeed daima is mostly just planes in the same general places mysteriously being destroyed in the same general way.

[@PuuberZ]

Should of been an early episode to set up the demon realm.

[@KnightsGone]

honestly true

[@jasonmolisani1864]

I wouldn't have had it as a very early episode since the one character beat it does progress is having Panzy and Bulma work together. It also has Bulma learn what the piece she couldn't fix on the ship was. Ideally, I think this episode should have happened immediately after they left Namek to travel to the second dragonball. This is the point where the plane started taking on a bunch of extra passengers and would have been a reasonable explanation for why they crashed. Making the crash there would have it be earlier in the exploration of the second demon world and would have also offered a chance to explain that the demon worlds are concentric. It would also give a chance to explain why this planet (and Namek) was a stand-alone orb. The third demon world was basically a giant plane, which explains why it felt same-ish wherever the party went. This is a giant ocean with planets floating above them, allowing for each stopping place to be a unique experience. That is a cool concept (and flows naturally from the explanation of where the plane's stone comes from).

[@vellamattfilms]

1:17:00 - isn’t Mr Satan the World Champion? Doesn’t this implies he’s won every single martial arts tournament Goku wasn’t involved in? He shouldn’t have any issues beating dudes like Nam. He’s the strongest human that’s not a Z Fighter, isn’t he?

[@IvanlyChannel]

The episode was fun and looked great but I agree that it sort of stopped the momentum in its tracks. People act like the first half of DB is a lot of adventures but besides Toei filler the only adventure focused arcs were Pilaf and Red Ribbon, and then just Namek for the Z half. And Daima is its own thing, but its also almost over so ignoring the larger story just feels weird at this point.

[@pablodarosa8429]

Ajay my guy, never been wrong

[@barisaxman2]

I don't think shitting on the earlier world building helps his argument selling this episode world building. This episode just felt like the earlier episodes with less story progression and better animation.

[@johnathanscott4187]

Funny enough, I actually agreed with Ajay here. I think everyone that blindly yells about worldbuilding in early Daima is kind of missing the forest for the trees. Worldbuilding isn't just showing that things exist in your world, but how they interact in the narrative/world. Demon world 3 felt like Goku and friends flying over a world independent of them.

[@barisaxman2]

@johnathanscott4187 I don't personally agree with that assessment of early Daima. Sure we move from location to location, but we learn from their interactions with the 3rd world that it is a bit of a slum/dive with the dingy bars they visit. They interact with the town where the villagers have been enslaved. They visit the little shop with the magical bugs. Unless you are specifically talking about a more magical fantasy type of world building, then sure. All we really learn from the episode is that giants exist here and we are told even bigger giants exist too.

[@johnathanscott4187]

@@barisaxman2 The criticism with the giants is the main point. World building is fun when things are called back on. A throwaway line, observation, law/rule, etc should all be leading back to a central point or idea. One that should be referenced and called back upon later. Although Daima had a lot of interactions in the 3rd demon world, none of it seemed to go anywhere? The cities are bankrupt and in decay, not of concern. There’s a life force tax, Goku beats up the demon cops and that’s it. Random shop with magic and ships, we visit once and never again. Together, this stuff makes world building feel lackluster over all. Like it’s missing the sauce that should tie everything together and make the world alive and dynamic. At least with the giants, the episode solely focused on them, so there was some gravitas to the concept.

[@pretzelpop78]

Also what the hell is up with Gomah and degusu they literally saw Arinsu take Buus essence in the past and seemingly forgot about it until they see the fight for the first ball

[@PalPlays]

None of the characters feel on brand.

[@KnightsGone]

think thats why they shut down warp sama

[@pkpyro2000]

Are you really telling me seeing Vegeta clock the shit out of a giant hamster that Goku was desperately trying to avoid hitting or Goku blasting a giant dog with a Kamehameha didn’t make you laugh out loud Edit: I thought turning off warp sama being so dramatic was a joke cause he makes such a huge deal about it and he’s freaking the fuck out and it’s just a big ass switch and he just flicks it and it’s so simple and easy despite how they were acting it’s just so funny

[@SuperSuperSpork]

I feel like it might be revealed that "turning him off" is the same as killing him

[@johnark4723]

I mean, I think it's a pretty big deal. You're basically cutting your kingdom into thirds with no way to interact with each other. That also means cutting off any important imports or exports. I think they were showing how big of a deal this is by introducing a main power source that mainly comes from the second world in this episode.

[@SuperSuperSpork]

@johnark4723 that's a really good read on it tbh

[@Yak2242]

Yet another episode of Ajay being based for 1h30

[@spideyboy2358]

Does anyone else find it weird how stupidly powerful these demon realm creatures are like dabura was supposed to rule this place how he is so weak compared to everything in this world he can get killed so easily by so many things the tamagami , krakens,giants ect… there is just no way he could rule such a place

[@DemLep]

Who said he ruled purely with might? The krakens seem more animalistic, the giants just do their own things and the tamagami are just waiting for people to challenge them. None of those seem the type to challenge the rule of any one.

[@SuperSuperSpork]

I agree, its a place where the average person might live long, but are basically human, Daborha is as strong as Cell. He could probably do whatever the hell he wanted, as long as he stayed away from the giants

[@TheKingOfRooks]

There's only 2 races confirmed to be strong enough to take him with power and it's established they have no interest in anything of the sort. The only other things are sea animals on one planet ans Tamagamis that don't fight unless challenged. That's also not mentioning the fact that Dabura can turn people in to stone lol

[@SuperSuperSpork]

I've mentioned it before, but I think it's interesting to have wildly strong animals and creatures roaming around The Kraken and Broly's dog snake are some of my favorite creatures in all of DB It kinda explains why random characters like Cabba don't get obliterated by the Z Fighters, they might just live in a more dangerous place

[@AnimeAjay]

I am correct 😌

[@TotallyNotMark]

*wrong.

[@pretzelpop78]

At least someone liked it

[@bardokadonk_1202]

An example I'd like to make as someone who has been recently watching coybow bebop. each episode feels like it's own condensed story that also slightly pushes a plot line. Now id compare that to this episode of daima which is also its own condensed episode that pushes the plot line. which unlike most previous episodes of daima felt more like an episode that was cut up into multiple smaller episodes. Also as Ajay said we get a world that is mysterious and introduces a race that most likely will show up later. Since if a child could take on ssj2 goku with ease how strong are the adults? this kind of mysterious world building is what I personally love cause it makes me wonder and think about the possibilities!

[@ultimateditto4380]

Pop off king!

[@pkpyro2000]

I’m 100% with you man ya gotta have your chill fun adventure episodes interlaced with your punch fight/plot episodes or else the series becomes stale

[@antonionii]

Episode was incredibly fun and funny. How is Vegeta fighting an army of hamsters and goku doing a kamehameha at a dog not hilarious… Definitely with Ajay on this one. I watch a lot of reactions of people who you would expect would dislike this type of episode but they all really enjoyed it.

[@The_One_In_Black]

I'm commenting this early: I hope someone on this podcast recognizes that this is the first time in 13 episodes that Goku has experienced an obstacle. Not Glorio or Panzy - the first time Goku has encountered an obstacle that challenged him to solve it.

[@The_One_In_Black]

I also do not know how you can call this episode inconsequential with they've set up the Chekhov's gun of the power source (and possibly of the Dino Caps, if that goes anywhere).

[@MetalHeadGrace]

I interpreted the ship messing up as a hint that someone on the team is tampering with things. Like when Pansy fixes the ship I assumed Gloria or Neva had disconnected the cords in an attempt to slow the team down so the bad guys can get more of an edge. It feels like it was something that started off as a gag and the show kinda wants us to think it still might be a gag but it’s actually someone sabotaging them to slow them down and stop them from getting all the dragonballs

[@theradionicrevival8068]

i think the broader issue is the execution of it if true. so now the ship's just been repetively crashing in mostly the same ways and no ones becoming all that wise to it beyond pointing it out as a pattern. shin is a non-entity now. a good way to shake things up may be to play with the fact that he's watching him so now the ship tampering becomes infrequent and replaced with other intentional obstacles, making each time he does it, ESPECIALLY to the ship more tense due to shin no longer capable of being fooled the same way twice anymore. now that he has more members on his side outwardly saying things to make everyone question glorio as much as he does. using each oppurtunity and failure at masking/distracting him as an oppurtunity to plant seeds of doubt in more of them. have it be different and escalate. while everyone else is in dragonball, these 2 are in love is war ntm in stories like jojo's and sandland they switch to vastly different vehicles every once in awhile for more grounded and the who, what, where why and how they get destroyed or ditched is varied interesting each time while serving the meta narrative purpose of being an excuse to get us immersed in the adventure and not just skip to the end in jojo and sandland it's going from cars to ships to tanks and jeeps, to planes, camels and submarines. they're not only aware that wrecks are happening they take constant unique strides to prevent them and semi-succeed daima is mostly just planes in the same general places mysteriously being destroyed in the same general way.

[@Baikanon]

There has to be a confession that Glorio has been sabotaging the plane on purpose, right? Otherwise it has gone way too far

[@spideyboy2358]

I think the biggest problem with this episode is that for almost the entire episode they stay in one area which is near the ship and we are just stuck looking at the same area I think this episode would greatly improve if we actually explored the forest kinda like the episodes they did in demon world 3 we went to a bar,a hotel, a castle ect… honestly for the most part in this episode they just stood around talking ,hiding and fought in the same area making the episode visually to me looking very boring not to mention there barely any story here only just small amounts of world building overall just a very boring and uninteresting episode 4/10

[@ZuriiArt]

I think if this episode happened earlier in the series, it would have been great for early world building of the demon world. The fact that it happens this late in such a small series makes it like a "waste" I guess? Like it feels like the kind of thing you do in a longer run series than a limited 20 something episode one imo

[@ShrugWheresEveryoneGoingBingo]

At least half of Daima is a complete waste of time, so criticising this episode specifically for that seems somewhat hypocritical. The execution, including the animation, atmosphere, pacing, and scaling, is what Ajay is impressed with, which are all noteworthy when at least half of the series is vapid busywork.

[@dp3of5]

This is just incorrect.

[@Vyhox2000]

Why was Hybis alone with two kids 🤨

[@najibosman6497]

Showing some appreciation to editor san’s very cute Thomas drawing 🫡

[@GreenTornadoX]

Oh, forgot this show existed since ep 2 until seeing this video...

[@Tyk0tic]

I’m with Ajay here, this episode felt like I finally saw the crew deal with a unique threat in the way the child and dog were presented with goku not wanting to harm them out of good will, but still needing to defend himself and his friends. Much better than “bar fight episode” and “random guy steal dragonball from room and goku immediately beats him and then goes back to sleep”. This episode was interesting, fun, and showed a lot of character traits with how everyone handled the situation (like Vegeta absolutely yeeting that hamster with an uppercut 😂). Team Ajay all the way here.

[@KnightsGone]

can't wait to see the next episode be a mix of those two concepts you mentioned

[@123kenechi]

I thought they explained the hesitance to turn off warp sama was because it had never been done before

[@crazyhead2267]

I had alot of fun with this episode I'm with Ajay on this one.

[@kingofredleopards]

1:08:27 And yet none of those mentions made the cut until now 🤣

[@AnimeAjay]

Haha, there's actually no Hamtaro mentions cut from the stream, that's just Mark being hyperbolic. Tyson had titled the stream Dragon Ball x Hamtaro and brought it up earlier on.

[@kingofredleopards]

@AnimeAjay I did catch the first half of the stream where Tyson brought it up, just thought it was funny how Mark's comment made the edit, but not what it was referring to 😆

[@AnimeAjay]

@ It's still in the edit at 47:01! And again at 47:40 roughly :D

[@kingofredleopards]

@AnimeAjay Huh... well, I must have spaced out or gotten interrupted at work while listening and missed them. My bad haha 😅

[@kingofredleopards]

Or just not paid attention to the section I caught on stream 😝

[@Karixkaar]

It feels like a filler episode 😂😂

[@CountofBleck]

I think if we wanted Daima to be GT done right", it makes sense for the people who disliked GT for the filler episodes and pacing issues would be given familiar vibes with this one. I think it was fun and fine, but also Im not super concerned about the overall plot since we know due to super where just about everyone will land in the end.

[@TheKingOfRooks]

People went in to Daima expecting it to be something it was never advertised to be and are now complaining that it is exactly what they promised. I can't anymore dude this shit is too annoying from like every DB KZbinr. Cool light show pyoom pyoom time is all that matters to people anymore, well you'll only get that from here on because Toriyama is dead and the dude who does AF is running the show now. Enjoy this last thing that oozes his style, ain't anything else ever coming from him again.

[@ryuhayabusa3302]

I went in not just expecting an adventure like OG DB which still is my fav to this day, but I was hyped for it. But it's really mediocre at best. Barely anyones watching it or reacting to it. Some cool and funny moments but that's about it. The writing is really disappointing to me. Maybe part of the problem is TOO MANY characters onscreen that dillutes dialogue because you have to share a limited time and that's never a good thing. OG DB was exceptional because it was just Goku and 2 other characters at most sometimes less now you have what 8 characters together? In a 15 min episode or so. Yeah writing is gonna suffer for it. Instead of SSJ4 we got another SSJ3 and what looks like another ending with a fusion YAAAAAY so original. If you need transformations to get peoples attention you have failed as a writer. I want more filler episodes not just fights but they have to be written well. Toyotaro might also not be that person unfortunately. The only thing he's good for is edgy transformations that make little sense. At least Toriyama is able to write an adventure doubt Toyotaro can even sniff that.

[@AlphaNeedsADiet]

Only issue was overthinking that Goku and gang should’ve got out of the plane and stopped it but realized they were moving around a lot and panzy immieidiatrly told everyone to hold on. Glorio was still trying to move the plane. I did over think this a lot and they should’ve done a different approach but overall episode was chill

[@martinkeifer1905]

Idc the episode looked cool I'm happy

[@ShiningDestinyKai]

I enjoyed this episode but lean more towards it being good yet middle of the road. The biggest issue is last episode saw the most major plot advancement of all three dragon balls now being collected with Gommah and Degesu becoming fully aware of Arinsu's plotting under their noses. Yet this episode ignores that and only has them try to cut off our heroes from getting to the first demon world in a very brief scene. Otherwise it's just shenanigans on the Mega planet, which while fun IMO don't see how this is better adventuring or world building than the earlier episodes? Specifically talking about King Kadahn and his followers as Ajay asked "what their point is" and i think its obviously that they're going to try and help our heroes defeat Gommah and his forces to overthrow his tyrannical rule as was their established goal, so they're absolutely going to become relevant to the plot again which I highly doubt the Mega people are.

[@ryuhayabusa3302]

Also I have zero hype for the ending knowing it's gonna be another fusion. And I fundamentallly dislike fusion. What were they thinking showing that scene smdh. That was a major spoiler. Sucks for me though. I would prefer if Piccolo Orange popped up and defeated thr enemy or Panzy went ultra princess or Bulma went Ultra Saggy Tits or something and got insane powerups that arent earned or made sense (not like DB hasn't done that lol).

[@PalPlays]

For a 20 episode series, I dislike how cutting this episode out changes nothing. The episode wasn't funny. It was also incredibly strange to go from seeing Vegeta go from turning SSJ3 to shaking in his boots looking at a giant child. The only thing I'll give the episode is that it was gorgeous. The atmospheric shots were delicious and the animation was stellar. Just weird to put an OVA here of all places.

[@ryuhayabusa3302]

I'm really saddened that I don't enjoy Daima like I hoped I would. I can already predict that they'll end it with another fusion ugh. Anyone else feel disappointed ? OG DB is my favorite. I was happy about going back to an adventure even if majority don't care. Goku going UI in Super broke the internet but Daima barely gets any views sadly. The humor in Daima is so hit and miss (the Minotaur one was exceptional but then the poop jokes were so bad). The action scenes are always cool but then again DB is the GOAT in anime fights in that regard. I'm gonna say something many are going to hate me for, but I dont mean any disrespect. I am very grateful for Akira Toriyama. He is the reason anime is the way we love it today. A revolutionary man of his time, the godfather of anime. But with Super and now Daima... Both would be bottom ranked in the franchise. Both have cool moments funny moments but also a lot of bad moments. The writing is so outdated. I think Dragon Ball needs new blood. I'm not sure Toyotaro is that man going off his past. DB needs a modern writer. Someone that can write funny moments, write cool fight scenes, transformations that are earned, more filler moments that are written so well you like them as much as the big action scenes. Maybe even write wholesome romantic episodes of Chichi spending time with Goku. Take Spiderman for example he's the main character you know he will never die he's always there but decades later you have the animated ones and they're so well witten. Toriyama is writing DB with that same old mentality but without that magic. Hopefully im wrong about Toyotaro but I just don't have a great feeling about him.

[@fishpop]

The only plot relevant thing this episode was Warp-Sama being turned off Everything else was just world building Oh i think Glorio also reported in to Arinsu

[@sageseraph5035]

Loved this one!

[@Agent29416]

This episode by itself was very good. But from what we have already experienced in diema it is yet another complete stop the plot episode. It used the exact same conseat to do it too. The ship had yet another problem. Like i agree with ajay that the setting of the demon realm is better for this episode. It just in my opinion, and i hate to say this because i felt toriama a lot in this episode, it has the exact set up of a filler episode. I personally feel the episode 6 is the worst episode but this isn't far behind.

[@Wormpole]

If they reanimated Dora the Explorer to have great animation and changed NOTHING else, Ajay would call it a masterpiece.

[@jasonmolisani1864]

Sorry Tyson, but I have to disagree with what you say at 49:22. The ticks were by far my least favorite part of the episode. As Mark pointed out, the scaling was terribly inconsistent. If there is one thing that bothers me in any media it is when they can't maintain internal consistency and this episode failed at that spectacularly.

[@joshuatvernon]

I can’t imagine the fury of the fights if you weren’t all calmed down by drawing ☺️ I was team Mark this time though. It was an okay episode. Not bad. Not great. I ironically like the GT giant episode though 😅

[@fishpop]

I agree there are devout Thomas fans, i'm one of them Also calling him "Thomas The Train" is cringe

[@Midori_Hoshi]

For me, it was the worst episode. Boring, dumb, and not much happened to advance the story or develop the characters. I felt like I was watching GT again. That said, the visuals were indeed extremely high quality and enjoyable to look at. Also, the HDR was particularly nice due to the high contrast at times. I'd give it a 4/10.

[@pretzelpop78]

Literally nothing happened to progress the story or even show interesting character moments either. By far the worst episode

[@Midori_Hoshi]

@@pretzelpop78 Not literally nothing, but I hear ya.

[@casf120]

It's so strange for me to see Mark get it so wrong when it was his interpretation of Dragon Ball that originally drew me to his channel.

[@KnightsGone]

he's been rotted by super...

[@piotrkarp9562]

I love how in Daima intro there's line "you'll be hooked for sure" and then, since beginning, most people are commenting how boring Daima really is xD this is the best of Akira jokes. He knew, he even commented about it once that he prefer different style od DB than most of its fans. Guys, there is a reason why NOTHING worked for him after DB. His genius was mixed with endless corrections from his editors. That's why it even worked. There's cool article in kanzenshuu about how early DB was almost cancelled cause only thing Akira wanted to write was characters goofing around. That's why after World Turnament we get RR arc, cause J-O-K-E-S. Honestly, I'm curious what Toei will cook without him now. I hope it won't be another 'memberberries' like with Freeza, SSJ1 (but blue) with Goku & Vegeta, Cell (but dumb), twin androids (but with capes) or SSJ2 (but grey) Gohan. Oh, there was Broly (but nice) and Turles but from future. So far we have Buu (but green) but Z material is at it's end so meaby, meaby some sparks of creativiti will born. Or we get another GT and in this reality, see you all around 20 years.

[@narddog2151]

@@piotrkarp9562 interesting take. …I’ve been thinking for a while now that Toriyama might have been something of a George Lucas type low-key. Some people have so much talent and great ideas, but just don’t know how to spin the ideas into something cohesive or pick out the right ones by themselves. In both cases I think they didn’t entirely understand what made their own creations work, because they both had benefitted from an editorial process that they no longer had access to. Their own success ultimately isolated them from the conditions they worked best in, and they became “geniuses” who were supposed to magically provide a new direction every time their respective franchises faltered-especially in Toriyama’s case. It was never fair, and it’s really not surprising that it never quite worked.

[@piotrkarp9562]

@@narddog2151 Couldn't agree more. You're right. He was just like Lucas!

[@specialnewb9821]

I miss ForgottenRelics

[@pretzelpop78]

Ajay would rather watch a show about a plane crashing every episode with no other plot progression 😂

[@AnimeAjay]

Not at all what was said lol

[@jan7256]

Real shit lol

[@Volfyrion]

This episode was a huge waste of time. Another plane crash, fake tension, ordinary dialogue. Warp being shut down was the only advance in the story for the entirety of the episode.

[@Amplifymagic]

I love the show but I agree, this episode felt like filler.

[@cheeselover7368]

“This is the worst episode of daima because it has all the bad parts in every other daima episode”

[@duckboyprimer]

Idk mentioning the power source and how the demon king has a monopoly on it is probably gonna mean something, and it caused us to see another side of neva from the goofy old guy to stoic and now to showing genuine worry or fear, and it was also silly fun and had multiple great set pieces that personally kept me interested throughout.

[@JPsupper2]

Ajay W

[@DemLep]

Not all stories need to be rushed. A good adventure has derailments. Daima is an adventure anime over everything else. It is about the journey, not the destination.

[@michaelbrower3623]

The episode was bad. The podcast was good.

[@deltase7en717]

Common Ajay W

[@Bluelaserbeam]

Yeah sorry Ajay, gonna have to side with TotallyNotMark and Tyson here about the episode 😅

[@JackRippa-bq9qo]

Ajay was coping really hard in this one

[@SuperSuperSpork]

Comments are on King Ajay's side

[@Karixkaar]

I was so sleepy in the middle of this episode 😴 in my opinion this is the worst episode I have ever seen in dragon ball (except gt bc nothing is worse than gt)

[@lionsward]

It was ultimately a nothing episode with very cool animation. I'm sorry Ajay, I know you enjoyed it a lot, and it's charming enough to make a lot of people enjoy some of its moments aswell, but for a series that yes, we already had zero stakes going into because we know it's a prequel to Battle of Gods and Super, to make us care *even less* about it after having gone already through the first half is, to me, fucking insane. Barely 20+ episodes in total and we're still getting episode 4 ~ 7 levels of "nothing is really happening in the grand scheme of things" at this point is absurd. They clearly did not know how the hell to fill time for the series as a whole. Not a well thought out series whatsoever.

[@saldana787]

Ajay critics the first episodes for being nothing towards the story line and then critics tagami 3 fight for not really adding to the story then likes an episode that does nothing for the story and has a nothing-story related fight just because of the animation lol Hypocrisy at its finest.

[@AnimeAjay]

Well that's just not even remotely representative of what I said. I enjoyed the Tamagami 3 fight, I just wished it was longer so the battle itself could feel like it had a meaningful ebb and flow to it aka real battle narrative. The overall plot of the episode is packed full of stuff and I have never once said that was my issue there. I said I liked this episode because it was an adventure episode that actually felt like an adventure and had no pretences of advancing the story. While it would have been great for this to tie in to the overarching story more meaningfully, we've seen time and time again that Daima rarely makes anything feel meaningful in the first place. To cast aside all pretence and just deliver a solid 25 minutes of fun adventure with top-tier visuals to boot is a better experience for me than mediocrity that just happens to move things along. There's no hypocrisy there - that's a perfectly sound take to have. Don't invent and label things just because you don't agree.

[@saldana787]

@ mate, you have argued in the past how fights that have no meaning to advance plots are lack luster and not good. You have also argued that side quest plot lines that don’t advance the plot are equally not good. None of the first set of episodes made any promise of advancing anything, it’s the same thing over and over again. Goku and the gang are on their way to collect more dragon balls and they encounter some set back (e.g., transportation, thieves, etc). It’s perfectly fine to like this episodes, I enjoyed it a lot. However, to pretend that those episodes promised something different than this one is hypocritical since no episode besides the big set up to fights (tamagamis) promise anything but just moving the gang from point a to point b. This episode does that too and only that. At what point do any of the previous episodes that you think are slow explicitly promise anything besides an adventure lol if it’s not an adventure you like that’s fine because it’s a subjective thing but to pretend this is any different besides subjective preferences is wild.

[@AnimeAjay]

​@@saldana787 That is categorically untrue, though. Inarguably so. Everything from episode 3 through to episode 12 has been about advancing the plot within the Demon World. Retrieving the ship is to advance the plot, retrieving the stolen Dragon Ball is to advance the plot. All these set pieces exist to tell a story and unveil the world through the lens of the heroes. This is why Tyson and Mark enjoy those episodes (as do I, to be clear!). Those are all in service of gaining the Dragon Balls and retrieving Dende. Episode 13 is different in that the events that occur there have absolutely nothing to do with the main characters beyond just buying time until they can leave. Its predominant goal is about showcasing a world completely disconnected from everything else, and that's why Mark and Tyson did not enjoy it. It is literally an inconsequential bottle episode. "Filler" as some people have uncharitably put it. For me, that was refreshing. It owes nothing to the plot, has no interest in that, and instead wants to showcase its world and atmosphere through a series of fun and engaging set pieces. If those set pieces don't work for you and you find the lack of meaningful progression frustrating, then I get that, but just wasn't the case for me. All that's wild is that you somehow are incapable of seeing the differences here. The episode literally would not have the reception it has were it not intrinsically different lol.

[@saldana787]

@@AnimeAjay "Those are all in service of gaining the Dragon Balls and retrieving Dende." this episode is the exact same thing. They need to get the ship going to do what exactly? Again, I've enjoyed all of Daima, this past episode included. But literally every episode is in service to gaining more dragon balls or recuing Dende. If it wasn't, they would just have a beach episode and call it quits or change the overall reason for the story telling. But they didn't. The gang still wants to fix the ship to get the last dargon ball and rescue Dende.

[@narddog2151]

@@AnimeAjay you're coping dude, this was a bottle episode with no "adventure" to speak of. They were stuck in a singular place, something happened, they left.

[@Mugiwara_JonC]

Def the worst episode

[@Djdonthate]

Huh, another pod saying the plot is once again not going much of anywhere? Interesting... especially considering WEEKS ago I kept saying Daima has a plot progression problem because its SLOW and I got so much pushback. And yet here we are, another episode where once again, the progression comes to a halt...

[@iflalimamdeen3462]

Naaah, Ajay takes the dub here, The adventure aspect of daima is very interesting, and yes while they could have integrated a better plot point, the adventure aspect of it was really nice, imagine training with a giant... its just nice to know the demon realm isnt empty and there are thriving communities on it...... Ajay w,.... or at the very least i agree with Mark...

[@bluetone-amv]

Ajay is horrible

[@GabePuffs]

???

[@zay9628]

ajay is a yapper

[@Bgmi1234_1]

Probably a good yapper

[@house1406]

is that guy trolling? or does he just have trash taste? worthless episode...the plane crashed again i cant even believe how big the lack of ideas is in this show

[@Weedmario]

Ljay

[@ItsGravyBabyy]

The Hybis part was funny for me simply because his biggest problem of the dehumanizing act is “this is messing up my pants” like that’s just perfect Hybis to me lol