He tried to save Sharon Tate's life. He is a hero, and his courage will never be forgotten.
@sharnjitsharonlalli2127 жыл бұрын
RIP Jay Sebring and all the victims of that night also 🙏🙏💗💗
@donnarama15 жыл бұрын
I think Jay was very good looking.I feel so sorry for him.
@triciajohansen30272 жыл бұрын
Jay was ADORABLE!!! RIP Mr. Sebring 😪🙏
@tammanyfields358310 ай бұрын
If only he had known some years later his life would be snuffed out. So sad to imagine he suffered as did the other victims.
@robertnycguyraisedonrecord75875 жыл бұрын
Jay was a lonely person according to Roman Polanski. I always found it amazing Sebring became Polanski's friend after Sharon Tate broke up with him after falling in love with Polanski. He kept a friendship with Sharon. He even died for her. RIP Jay - on the 50th anniversary of your tragic death by the hands of the Manson family Aug 09 1969-Aug 09 2019.
@ADAMSIXTIES4 жыл бұрын
Every word of your comment is false.
@stevelyons52974 жыл бұрын
Mark Gibson what the fuck are you talking about. You know nothing about Sharon Tate, Jay Siebring or Roman Polanski
@macintosh71694 жыл бұрын
Polanski is a pig and cheated on Tate constantly ! Wouldn't believe anything he says and I think Sharon would have left Polanski and return to Jay!!
@leesher18454 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing; I didn’t know he was one of the victims of those maniacs.
@jasonmalloy14513 жыл бұрын
RIP Jay Sebring, a hero right up to the very end!!
@shannon13504 жыл бұрын
It’s sad to think that around six and a half years after this aired, it’s likely that all of the judges knew who the real Jay Sebring was... 😢
@tammybrown49013 жыл бұрын
Of course
@stk6mkt2 жыл бұрын
I believe that all of the judges knew who the real Jay Sebring was 8 minutes after the start of this show, when the real Jay Sebring stood up.🤔
@amyntut5 жыл бұрын
Celebrity fact : Tom Poston , Kitty Carlisle, and Barry Nelson all died in April 2007 with Tom and Kitty only 13 days apart .
@joeambrose32604 жыл бұрын
That's freaky weird
@kellymcclendon6601 Жыл бұрын
Loved Tom in Newhart. He was royal.
@jod874123 күн бұрын
Unfortunately, Tom Poston passed away on my 52nd birthday 😞
@artistbrindle3 жыл бұрын
Jay Sebring had such a young looking face. RIP to all the victims
@billlozier55513 жыл бұрын
Jay didn't look like he was having a good time. RIP.
@normanduke88554 жыл бұрын
Kitty Carlisle is so poised and classy. Marvelous thick hair.
@tommyodonnell93 жыл бұрын
She and Arlene Francis.
@WhiteCamry Жыл бұрын
She was never seen in public looking less than 100%.
@mariaevans57937 ай бұрын
So true , they didn't stand a chance !!!!🙏
@andromedastar49007 жыл бұрын
Jay was seemed very shy and also soft-spoken.
@tonycole64736 жыл бұрын
That's why the pussy got wasted.
@deb310red5 жыл бұрын
@@tonycole6473 Shame on you!
@debbiemcbride34224 жыл бұрын
@@tonycole6473 you're an asshole
@davidgibbs3813 жыл бұрын
@@tonycole6473 - FYI- Jay Sebring is a Navy veteran having served during the Korean conflict.
@gaylakenney59392 жыл бұрын
@@tonycole6473 Polanski probably would have run.
@melissagahn5 жыл бұрын
Rest In Peace to Jay Sebring and all of the lost. Peggy Cass and Kitty Carlisle were popular game show panelists in the 60s and 70s. wow.
@yvonneleslie76816 жыл бұрын
Jay Sebring looked like he was having about as much fun as having a root canal...
@iVenge5 жыл бұрын
Yvonne Leslie He was thinking about his future.
@deb310red5 жыл бұрын
Appearing on Live TV must have been difficult.
@ellenerskine13824 жыл бұрын
He looked uncomfortable on the show. He also seemed kind of quiet and reserved.
@unspeakableexperiments76993 жыл бұрын
So sorry for what happened to Jay and the others. May you all rest in eternal peace! 🕊️🕊️🕊️
@ironduke20002 жыл бұрын
Jay really lit up when Kitty explained her reasons for voting for him. You can tell he was charmed by ladies.
@Swampzoid8 жыл бұрын
Poor Jay Sebring met a nightmarish death at the hands of the Manson Family.
@carolv84507 жыл бұрын
Yes, so sad...
@Lisa-di1wi5 жыл бұрын
Oh absolutely! They were all killed just after midnight Saturday morning. Later on that morning, Sharon Tate's housekeeper found their bodies when she reported for work.
@Jinka19503 жыл бұрын
Horrifying. He got slaughtered protecting Sharon. They dispensed him immediately.
@aaronz70563 жыл бұрын
... and Bud Collyer died only a month after the murders.
@brenttravis4665 Жыл бұрын
@@aaronz7056 Yes, Bud Collyer died September 8, 1969 on the same day the new syndicated version of To Tell the Truth aired.
@ncfeline2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the post. Loved this show and many thanks for the post. RIP, Jay and all the other victims of violence.
@5star5555555558 жыл бұрын
$25 in 1963 is equal to $197.49 today.
@epickup084 жыл бұрын
Woe, thanks! I go to Magicuts and pay $28.
@judymac25903 жыл бұрын
Wow!
@carollewis39122 жыл бұрын
@@judymac2590 My thoughts exactly!
@starbuono33338 жыл бұрын
Good night and God bless you ! wow you'll NEVER hear a tv show host say that to anyone anymore !!!
@mariag46775 жыл бұрын
Its been 50 long years......RIP Jay
@lindalee58715 жыл бұрын
Yes he would have been in his 80's now...hard to imagine...
@Lisa-di1wi3 жыл бұрын
@@lindalee5871: Sharon Tate would have been 78 this year. And her unborn baby boy, Paul Richard, would have been 52 this year.
@Marcel_Audubon4 жыл бұрын
Jay Sebring seemed sweet and shy
@RachelDavisMatthews4 жыл бұрын
Too bad the Panel just made jokes and remarks about the cost of his haircuts- probably not what Jay expected. His PR person probably thought this was good for press, Jay looked painfully shy here
@liquidlogic74266 жыл бұрын
Such a great find...
@karenedmiston59645 жыл бұрын
Jay Sebring seemed like an excellent hairstylist. Too bad he couldn't have lived longer.
@paulvoorhies8821 Жыл бұрын
He’s so handsome…young….and serious.
@justintime13434 жыл бұрын
Jay almost looks like a dwarf standing next to the other two fellows. Good head of hair though. Also, (@4:26) incredulous that Number 2 actually believed that "Old Blue Eye's" eyes were brown.
@leesher18453 жыл бұрын
That wallpaper salesman was very handsome!
@leannsherman6723 Жыл бұрын
Yes!
@ClueSign5 жыл бұрын
50 years ago, RIP Jay, Sharon et al.
@nedwart5 жыл бұрын
Who's here after Once Upon a Time in Hollywood?
@ivan720875 жыл бұрын
Was he mentioned in the movie. I heard Sharon Tate had a different ending compared to real life.
@leval10005 жыл бұрын
ivan720 Yes he was in the movie.
@ivan720875 жыл бұрын
@@leval1000 cool thanks!!
@jv-ep2tc3 жыл бұрын
who is here because they actually remember the summer of 69?
@patmunday2392 жыл бұрын
@@jv-ep2tc Me.
@Sealust505 жыл бұрын
Kinda strange - Sharon Tate went for shorter guys it seems. Polanski (who didn't deserve her) and here, Jay Sebring (who truly loved her and never stopped).
@deb310red5 жыл бұрын
Sharon Tate was only 5'5.
@jentleil21834 жыл бұрын
Sharon and Jay were about the same height.
@Luvie19803 жыл бұрын
Who are you to say who deserves who? Ask yourself why did Sharon leave Jay in the first place! Stop creating this fairytale about their relationship. 😒🤦♀️
@KaydeyRai3 жыл бұрын
Jay was 5’6 I think, he and Sharon were around the same height - no he was not a very tall man but not super tiny either, those two guys must be very tall they tower over him
@jeanandre69983 жыл бұрын
@@Luvie1980 I love your comment. People always make victims of murder innocent because of their deaths but don’t realize we are all human. Death doesn’t make anyone innocent….
@surfinintheunderground4 ай бұрын
We love you Jay!! You cut great hair and were a hero till the end.
@austina61895 жыл бұрын
Interesting fact, three members of the panel would each pass away within a month of each other! Thomas Poston (October 17, 1921 - April 30, 2007), Barry Nelson (April 16, 1917 - April 7, 2007) and Kitty Carlisle (September 3, 1910 - April 17, 2007). I couldn't imagine what they're personal thoughts were, on the news of Jay Sebring's passing in 1969.
@ClueSign5 жыл бұрын
Very interesting co-incidences. I wonder if they remembered having met Jay through the program -- I would imagine the panelists would fail to remember every single guest.
@sassiebrat Жыл бұрын
Passing? He was brutally murdered.
@MysticalMoonBaby802 жыл бұрын
Jay Sebrings eyes are strikingly beautiful
@bluesquirrel39194 жыл бұрын
Rest in peace Jay
@desertbreeze694 жыл бұрын
In the first set of contestants number 1 could be a double for Hugh O’Brian.
@timothyleon5583 жыл бұрын
Better looking that Hugh, although he was a handsome man
@rmelin13231 Жыл бұрын
Roger Tory Peterson is a legend, and what a treat to see Connie Mack Jr. All in all, this was a great episode.
@jennylane90833 жыл бұрын
Very handsome man god bless you
@WindTurbineSyndrome2 жыл бұрын
Rip Jay, Sharon and all the other innocent souls brutally murdered by the Manson cult. It still horrifies us 50 + years.
@barbaragonzalez10108 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much :)
@totellthetruthcbs42208 жыл бұрын
My pleasure-- glad you were finally able to see it. :)
@MysticalMoonBaby802 жыл бұрын
The third and final handsome guy is the real Jay Sebring ❤
@DaCoach683 ай бұрын
I'm 75 years old... at that time, my haircuts were $2.00 ... now I wish I could get it cut for$25!😊
@jacquelinebell62018 ай бұрын
Good on you Kitty for standing up about men's prejudice against women in racing! First time I've heard her say she's a feminist! A very elegant and ladylike feminist. You don't have to be aggressive to ve a feminist. 😁😉
@rattiegirl55 жыл бұрын
Poor Jay did not look happy to be on the show. He looked very awkward and shy.
@Camop-iz9kt3 жыл бұрын
I always loved the music as the wall goes up to reveal the 3 challengers.
@dannyfigueroa34793 жыл бұрын
Rip jay
@jenseninterceptors2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting this video my man
@tonysam19558 жыл бұрын
I had to look up the female jockey because it raised red flags with me, as I knew women were not allowed to become licensed jockeys until the late 1960s, several years after this episode. A very few women were jockeys in this country, but they worked unlicensed. It wasn't until 1968 that one woman, Kathy Kusner, successfully sued a state racing commission to be able to be licensed to be a jockey in that state. Diane Crump was the first licensed female jockey to ride in a Thoroughbred parimutuel race in the U.S. It was a big story back then.
@johnnysunrocket86185 жыл бұрын
You might have already heard.... Quincy Jones invited Jay to accompany him to Steve McQueen's place for a screening of his new movie Bullitt. Afterwards Jay in turn invited Quincy out to dinner the next night, for them to meet up at Sharon Tate's house on Cielo drive. Quincy says he forgot. The next day Bill Cosby telephoned "Did you hear what happened to Jay?!!! He's Dead man!!!" It then became the 3rd time Q escaped death. Ouoooooooo!
@rgreene1525 жыл бұрын
Everybody and their mother claimed they were suppose to be there that night. In reality Sharon was suppose to go to her best friends house but cancelled because she wasn't feeling well. Them going out to eat was a spur of the moment thing!
@johnnysunrocket86185 жыл бұрын
@@rgreene152 Well, Not according to Quincy Jones the horses mouth. 'Spur of the moment' is here say. Jay invited Q over and dinner most likely would have been part of the evening but Quincy flaked out. At the time Q was in the studio recording music for the film Bullitt... GQ magazine Feb '19
@Votedjt2024 Жыл бұрын
Rest in peace jay sebring
@moontheloon58 жыл бұрын
Having recently watched a documentary on the Manson cult, I knew Jay Sebring immediately, but being from Philadelphia and an avid baseball fan, I'm embarrassed to say I didn't recognize Connie Mack Jr. lol
@lorraineforte91754 жыл бұрын
Jim Jonrs I agree, even though I don't think to further her career was the reason, people who knew her claimed she was naive. Her Father was high ranking military so she probably was probably drawn to the authorative type.
@judithizzo6754 жыл бұрын
RIP Jay
@JeffW774 жыл бұрын
Really great to see Roger Tory Peterson. I first heard his name in about 1964 when I was about eight. Someone gave my father a copy of his "A Field Guide to Western Birds." I have remembered his name ever since.
@PAN-jo2go4 жыл бұрын
Jay got a free plug on this show for people in the east USA...
@paulvoorhies8821 Жыл бұрын
This is CRAZY!! I’m gonna go with 3.
@mariaevans57937 ай бұрын
Jay seemed so reserved and elegant, he was also very handsome,he deserved better and so did the rest of the victims !!!!🙏🇬🇧
@keithnaylor19813 жыл бұрын
Hairdresser number 1 could be almost be Hugh O’Brian’s (Wyatt Earp) twin!
@totellthetruthcbs42208 жыл бұрын
Another "extra" episode today, out of order, by request. I didn't have a copy of this one when it should have been posted in chronological order. Many thanks, as so many other times already, to Ron Gomes for providing his copy!
@TotzkeMike5 жыл бұрын
MY my my ... Poor Jay ... devoted to Sharon Tate until the end ...
@stephenwilliams53504 жыл бұрын
At those prices Jay wasn't poor.
@indydude33673 жыл бұрын
We always hear about the "Tate Murders". They should have been called the Sebring Murders. He was among the most famous people in Hollywood in 1969.
@GregLilley-of4lv Жыл бұрын
Huh? He was among the most famous people in Hollywood . Yes one of which was Sharon Tate
@witchingbrew33 жыл бұрын
It's funny to me how people are so surprised Sharon had a type.
@jszoradi86502 жыл бұрын
That's over $200 for a men's haircut in today's dollars! Poor Jay, his life was taken away. So sad 😔
@laurataylor81795 ай бұрын
Dawn that's cheap
@Lisa-di1wi3 жыл бұрын
Sharon Tate also auditioned for the role of Liesl von Trapp in the film version of The Sound of Music. But unfortunately, it was Charmian Carr who got the role instead.
@Msubulldogs09 Жыл бұрын
I never knew about this, thank you for sharing
@440324 ай бұрын
Why was that unfortunate?
@cmendoza92554 жыл бұрын
Those other men look like giants next to Jay Sebring. Jay Sebring was reportedly 5'6"
@maremacd8 жыл бұрын
I'm confused about why the audience was laughing when Peterson was answering in the third round.
@teeniebeenie87744 жыл бұрын
i miss u jay, u were the best buddy ......HUGS
@CoxJoxSox5 жыл бұрын
That's funny - that's the price Great Clips charges now
@crapple0095 жыл бұрын
The suit on Contestant One is immaculate. Love it!
@GeorgePenton-np9rh4 жыл бұрын
He looks like the adult John F. Kennedy, Jr. to me.
@Farrah3003 жыл бұрын
So very horrible how Jay Sebring met his end.
@Lisa-di1wi5 жыл бұрын
And the 50th anniversary of this terrible tragedy is this August.
@kristabrewer93634 жыл бұрын
25 dollars for a HAIRCUT!! (even 15 is bad). I get MY hair cut for 10.00 (or 9, depending which salon I got too). And this is 2020. But TWENTY FIVE??!! WOOOOOOOW
@alison__163 жыл бұрын
25 in the 1960s is close to 200 today!
@gnozza86832 жыл бұрын
His clients are not the average Joe. 25$ for multimillionaire is cheap
@jentleil21834 жыл бұрын
Anyone else believe the panel may have seen photo of Jay before this game? Also, how did the one panel guy think 2 was the correct answer saying Frank Sinatra had brown eyes? Both dolts.
@michaelcait29353 жыл бұрын
Jay Sebring was the top hairstylist in the world before being murdered in gruesome fashion along with actress Sharon tate and 3 others on August 9 1969 by the infamous Charles Manson gang Sebring was known as the hairstylist to the stars the dreadful fate he met included 1 gunshot wound and 7 stab wounds before being strung up by rope to hang from rafters 20 ft above floor
@robnykulaik73372 жыл бұрын
This is from Jim Markham a friend of Jay Sebring. Jay was the celebrity hairstylist in 1960s Hollywood who had famous clients including Frank Sinatra and Paul Newman. He also allegedly hustled drugs to some of the stars at his salons, earning him the moniker “The Candyman.” So as much of a good guy Jay was, he wasn't innocent at all. Jim goes on to say "I believe Manson had gone up to the house and Manson wanted to sell cocaine and marijuana,” he added. “He showed Jay [Sebring] and Wojciech [Frykowski] the product. They were going to buy some of it, but the two of them beat him up at the gate. The next night, Manson sent the Family up [to kill them] ....and to burn them for whatever money and drugs they could. I believe Wojciech was to blame. Sharon hated him and wanted his drug dealing ass out of her house. He even ran Sharon's dog Dr Saperstein over just days before the murders!! Quite the cover up huh??
@WindTurbineSyndrome2 жыл бұрын
I also heard drug deal was behind the murders not anger over former tenant. I am sad to hear about Sharon's dogs fate. Bad omen. Dogs run over in their own driveway happens quite a lot according to veterinarians.
@brenttravis4665 Жыл бұрын
Impostor number one gave a very good answer to Peggy Cass' question as to how old Sonny Jim Fitzsimmons was. He was then 88 years old and would live another three years.
@deb310red5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting. He was very handsome.
@tonylemans3 жыл бұрын
See the real Jay Sebring in his documentary JAY SEBRING....CUTTING TO THE TRUTH
@paulvoorhies8821 Жыл бұрын
He was handsome….and so young here.
@brittoverbaugh403511 ай бұрын
Would have been 30 that year
@sharksport013 жыл бұрын
I need a couple Dristans.
@jimjonrs39324 жыл бұрын
Sharon Tate married Polanski because he was a director. She may have loved Sebring but a hair stylist isn't going to get you too many roles in Hollywood.
@ronflatter12358 жыл бұрын
In game 2 I was surprised the panel did not call out number 1 for not knowing that we race counterclockwise in the U.S.
@DanieltheTruebadour3 жыл бұрын
Yep.
@d.b.4062 Жыл бұрын
So sad, knowing that only a few years later, he would become a victim of one of the worst crimes of the century.
@stevencampbell7473 Жыл бұрын
Panelist Barry Nelson is/was the manager of the Overlook Hotel.
@brittoverbaugh403511 ай бұрын
Steve…you have a good eye for credits!!! I liked his sinister interview with Mr Torrance…and how he cracked his jaw when mentioning how a certain Charles Grady put both barrels of a shotgun in his mouth!!!
@stevencampbell747311 ай бұрын
@brittoverbaugh4035 why thank you. Been obsessed with that film going on 44 years. I'll have to check on that moment you mentioned.
@carinenerinckx45853 жыл бұрын
quel.courage.jusque.au.bout.il.a.protge Son.amie
@clintrock4 жыл бұрын
Did she say "F@(k no" at 3:28 ? Lol
@JC-xq2ec3 жыл бұрын
The town in Maryland, Havre de Grace is pronounce "have 'er dee grace" rhyming with "race"
@Lisa-di1wi3 жыл бұрын
Havre du Grace is French for Harbor of M.
@errorsofmodernism97153 жыл бұрын
I remember this show, will the real....please stand up
@kellymcclendon6601 Жыл бұрын
Never did like Peggy Ass, I mean Cass.
@d.b.40629 ай бұрын
I've been watching reruns of To Tell the Truth from the '70's. Peggy Cass always had such an arrogant and know it all attitude.
@libertyann4394 жыл бұрын
$25 is cheap today! Yeah two gave himself away with Sinatra's eyes!
@randystroder76764 жыл бұрын
They had Doris Tate on this show in 1991 a year before she died. They had 3 Doris Tates talking about the murder of her daughter Sharon Tate and her role as a victims rights advocate.
@dickrichards96504 жыл бұрын
Randy Stroder. Hardy fuckin har, not funny, I'd say nice try, but that just was, I don't think that bit of humor emanated from anywhere nice. Gooday, all the same. Suum Ciqque
@Lisa-di1wi3 жыл бұрын
After Doris Tate had passed away, her other daughter, Patti, continued the fight to keep those Manson Family animals behind bars. But unfortunately, Patti passed away from breast cancer back in 2000 at the age of 43. And now, Doris Tate's other daughter, Debra, is continuing the fight for the same reason. Unfortunately, Debra is now the only surviving member of the Tate family. (Their father, Paul Tate, passed away back in 2005.)
@ahcapella2 жыл бұрын
@@dickrichards9650 It’s actually true. I watched it a few years back on KZbin. Unsettling, to say the least-not a fun episode. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIjWo2BupalriMU
@ChrisHansonCanada Жыл бұрын
Man #3 in Game #1 Lady #2 in Game #2 Man #3 in Game #3
@peternagy-im4be Жыл бұрын
Sadly KZbin spoiling and trolling is becoming all too common today.
@MichaelSimmons.7 жыл бұрын
How could you vote for #1 in the jockey game. Horses do not race clockwise. They race counter clockwise.
@celestehill89973 жыл бұрын
They do in the UK
@davidhunt84564 жыл бұрын
#3
@a916LEX6 жыл бұрын
When AMERICA WAS GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!
@yessumyessum66245 жыл бұрын
Mark Richardson, no he isn't.
@jkweddingentrancesux5 жыл бұрын
@rudy melgar no, that was obama that started that stuff defending trayvon etc
@rgreene1525 жыл бұрын
@Mark Richardson LMAO!! He's making Russia great!
@benjisgal544 жыл бұрын
@Mark Richardson You are a loon. You probably would have followed Hitler. People like you are so easily duped.
@Sparklejumpropequeen3745 жыл бұрын
Jay Sebring resembles James Franco a little bit
@deb310red5 жыл бұрын
James Franco was supposed to play him in a movie that was never filmed.
@Sparklejumpropequeen3745 жыл бұрын
deb310red very interesting, perfect casting!
@EYE_GOTCHA4 жыл бұрын
James Franco is a freak and rumor has it that Jay was one, too.
@poetcomic15 жыл бұрын
TWENTY FIVE DOLLAR HAIRCUT!!!! None of them can get over that outrageous price.
@poetcomic15 жыл бұрын
@@nickv7793 Just amused at how things change.
@nickv77935 жыл бұрын
poetcomic1 I guess a $25 haircut today would be a little above average but you are talking about the mid 60’s when most men went to a Barbershop, they didn’t go to Salons. Jay Sebering was a Stylist to the Stars and $25 wa a lot of money. You can still get a haircut and style today from the best, but it’s going to cost you $197.00 in today’s money. Back in the early 80’s I was going to Mario Tracoci’s in Chicago and paying $50 and that was for a 45 minute haircut. Not sure about the change thing. I mean if I want I can go to a chain salon and get a haircut for $18.
@poetcomic14 жыл бұрын
@Mike Ross Absolutely. But Sinatra (Sebring's first top client) got a soft, natural image changing look from him that would have well been worth $200 in 1953 money!
@gnozza86832 жыл бұрын
His clients could afford it. Not their average Joes
@Tempe19625 жыл бұрын
Sebrings hair looked like it belonged on a manikin.
@helanesolomon17246 жыл бұрын
Isn't that Kate Jackson from Charlie's angels as #3 Virginia David. Omg.
@deb310red5 жыл бұрын
Looked just like Kate Jackson
@punchline435 жыл бұрын
The young woman here looks older than 14 though, which is what Kate would've been at the time.
@joeambrose32604 жыл бұрын
There's a resemblance but didn't you hear her say her name ? She's a bunny
@helanesolomon17244 жыл бұрын
Joe Ambrose Yeah, lol you're right
@james83435 жыл бұрын
Who knew that just a few years later he would be murdered by that Evil Crew of the Manson Family!!!! The pictures were horrific!!
@ALLYG655 жыл бұрын
So glad Tarantino portrayed them for what they were- a bunch of nasty dirtbag hippies living like animals.
@lenwelch2195 Жыл бұрын
This show brings the tragedy to life so to speak. Jay was a real person rather than just a photograph in Helter Skelter. Inside Hollywood people knew Sharon and jay. This case scared the bejesus out of the entire nation but had to really shake up those in the entertainment industry. So sad and such a waste.