Touhou 5 Mystic Square - Lunatic 1cc No Bombs

Been meaning to do this for a while now as to complete the no bombs challenge for every regular touhou shooter.
The hardest parts of a no bomb run of MS are the latter half of stage 4 and the stage 5 and 6 boss. That spam at 13:57 requires very precise execution or else you'll be swamped. Reimu definitely makes stage 4 a lot easier to handle though.
There were some really stupid mistakes in this run but it could have been a lot worse I guess. That Shinki bug was a complete slap in the face though.
Also the framerate is a bit botched up in this one bleh.

[@ClamChowdaEnjoya]

This game is so nice to look at despite being over 20 years old.

[@Kromiball]

Except for the blue bullets on blue backgrounds in stage 4 and 5

[@鏖魔キリン]

lower poly games had to rely a lot more on stylisation so i don't think it's a 2d vs. 3d thing, but a style vs. "muh gwaphics"

[@bobcat159]

I really love how ZUN used one of Shiniki's spells and re-vamps it for Hijiri Byakuren in UFO. Seeing little nods to the older games is always cool to see in the newer ones.

[@mekhiwesson4849]

I realize Im kind of off topic but does anybody know of a good site to stream new movies online?

[@solomonimmanuel8087]

@Mekhi Wesson Flixportal xD

[@mekhiwesson4849]

@Solomon Immanuel Thank you, I signed up and it seems like a nice service =) Appreciate it!

[@solomonimmanuel8087]

@Mekhi Wesson No problem =)

[@bobcat159]

@@mekhiwesson4849 hahahahah damn it was 8 years ago already that I posted that comment. How time flies. How did you even wind up here looking for that lmfaoo

[@Fraven85]

i think it was also on a wiki i've read that her becoming youkai is the actual reason to be an extra stage boss. something along the lines of "let's see if you can win against me again" kinda "new powers testing". fits well, imo.

[@Darigan25]

See guys, Shinki's so badass you have to pay (a life) before taking her on.

[@ashtonleach9866]

> That spam at 13:57 requires very precise execution or else you'll be swamped. WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN MY SWAMP?!?!?!!?!!?!?!?!

[@Ponera-Sama]

Wheelmaster - 0:54 Sarah - 2:31 Holy Snow Mirror - 4:25 Makaijin Louise - 5:34 Hikariko - 8:24 Death Girl Alice - 9:35 Witch's Retainer - 12:44 Mai and Yuki - 15:03 Ayana - 19:18 Makai Maid Yumeko - 20:17 Makai God Shinki - 23:11

[@miyakoyoshika100yearsago4]

Yes

[@oosha2000]

I thought Louise didn't have a surname (Makaijin).

[@Ponera-Sama]

@@oosha2000 it's not a surname, it's a title. "Makaijin" just means "person from Makai"

[@oosha2000]

@@Ponera-Sama Aha

[@dopaminecloud]

this one gets pretty intense towards the end.

[@randomspartanhoe4501]

17:08 .Father of Ice Sign "Icicle Fall -Easy-"

[@HouraisanShijuunana]

@Nicholas Brantley no shut the fuck up

[@idyn977]

Sara (Stage 1 Boss) had attacks very similar to Yamame and Rumia

[@shinki5361]

You mean Yamame and Rumia had very similar attacks to Sara !

[@vitorhenriquefarias8916]

@@shinki5361 yeah cuz sara was introduce before yamame and rumia does rumia go introduce 1 game later and yamame got idroduce 6 games later 9 if you count 7.5 9.5 and 10.5

[@ClamChowdaEnjoya]

And her design is trash compared to them, but the spinning almost saves her from being even more forgettable.

[@unfunniestman]

​@@ClamChowdaEnjoyaRumia is only remembered because EoSD character, otherwise she would've been as unpopular as the Aki sisters

[@juhooon]

How the hell did I saw Byakuren here

[@gyppygirl2021]

Byakuren borrowed a certain attack pattern from Shinki.

[@jadebayoba7073]

@@gyppygirl2021 where

[@gyppygirl2021]

@@jadebayoba7073 Great Magic "Devil's Recitation"

[@Ratteu]

In fact the original word translated to Devil (魔神) means "Makai God"

[@TheDarkOniLink]

Shinki inspired a LOT of attacks actually. Her first attack with the wings has similarities to Yuyuko's second non-spell in PCB, of course, Devil's Recitation, her first purple wing attack has a lot of similarities with Sanae's Wonder "Night with (Overly) Bright Guest Stars", her grub spam is like Kanako's left-right nonspell, and her last attack (this one might just be me) resembles a very toned down Border of Life and Death.

[@xastrid9677]

16:39 reminds me of Satori's first attack

[@TheYouyou27]

xxsummergirl4235xx Me too!

[@Detonexploder]

xxsummergirl4235xx Reminded me more of Kogasa in Touhou 12 Extra, actually

[@jesusfreakingamer290]

Good gosh. I uploaded my 1cc Easy clear of Touhou 6 The Embodiment of Scarlet Devil, but I clearly have a looooong ways to go XD.

[@JaimersSTG]

@MoonWitchRuuRuu Well, I for one once managed to 1cc EoSD's easy mode using only my face for the arrow keys and elbow for shift, z and x. Deduct from that whatever you want. :V

[@RenanMMz]

Jaimers91 wow

[@vasilis23456]

Those are some reaaaally big keys you have there

[@HouraisanShijuunana]

the legend's 9 yr old reply

[@MarcelxDD]

Omg you used ":V" True chad

[@AbcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyandzI]

Dam Reimu and Marisa in Touhou 7 forgot that Alice met them at Mystic Square

[@Fraven85]

9:33 ah. and here Alice makes her debut into the series, still human at this point. but by the end of the extra stage, she's already a youkai. which is why she dares comes back for round 2.

[@R8Spike]

9:33 (it stopped working)

[@oosha2000]

​@@R8SpikeTimestamps didn't use to be functional in the early days.

[@foursix32]

17:18 The OG Icicle Fall

[@WishMakers]

That Shinki bug is really silly. I'm just amazed I haven't found it before.

[@taodivinity1556]

Bug? Pff, It's just Shinking testing If you have more than one life to take her on or else It would be an insult to be challanged by a mortal.

[@Oleander4me]

​@@taodivinity1556nuh uh

[@RosesAreRed114]

What the hell hit him at 23:21?

[@hazerddex]

The goddess of creation?

[@ZPS_STG]

Jack Frost I've had this happen before. It sucks.

[@ironcube1282]

Bug?

[@silvernightray7701]

OMG, you guys won't believe that. But this bug was caused by Yuki and Mai's last move. Their homing lasers stay in memory at the beginning of the fight.

[@silvernightray7701]

@@gontasfanboy I thought so too, so I tried not to shoot her at the beginning and I just ??? EXPLODED out of nowhere. Searched about it and turned out it was because of the last cheeto lasers of Yuki and Mai.

[@s1mon512]

and yet here i am spamming bombs everyday and using 3 continues

[@thenumberquelve158]

I'm nowhere near enough of a genre expert to comment on anything specifically, so I'll just say... Everything about this game looks like it holds up very well today. With MAYBE the exception of the blue-on-blue-on-blue madness of Stage 4. Reimu probably wanted to hug all the fairies who finally showed up with red bullets. But hey, the cool double-boss concept makes up for it. Shinki's character design is just fabulous. Just LOOKS like a cool final boss.

[@NatnatGaming101]

is she riding genjii? thats a turtle.

[@juancruzlugones1858]

Natnat Gaming101 i like turtles :v

[@RayTC]

Yes she is

[@admcgregor2006]

CORRECT!

[@tzielsky]

came for music

[@LimeCultivist]

Congratulation!!

[@systemrestart120]

So I'm not the only one who sometimes just randomly dies right as the Shinki fight starts...... lol

[@systemrestart120]

Huh, didn't know I watched this 2 years ago. For the curious, the cause of that Shinki glitch is: If you defeat Yuki or Mai while they are shooting out the "cheeto" bullets, the bullets will get stored in memory and be reactivated (though invisible) at the next fight that has "cheeto bullets", which is, obviously, Shinki's fight. So basically you're being killed by invisible cheeto bullets left over from the 1st phase of Mai and Yuki's fight. You can actually still dodge them, if you move immediately and are very lucky lol. But the safest option it to bomb the second the fight begins. Well. If you're not on a no-bomb run, at least ;;

[@ZigzagwolfSTG]

That Shinki bug, I've had that for a while; there's a way of avoiding it even if it does occur all the time. At either the beginning or end of Shinki's Cyanblue hp-balk it will kill you if you're: not moving, vertically under her (is much wider than just herself.) Or horizontally under her. The solution is to move to one of the sides at the bottom; do it just a little before the cyanblue hp-bar shows up. Hope this helps a bit.

[@ZigzagwolfSTG]

Forgot to say it's also much wider under Shinki when you're horizontally under her.

[@AdamFSmith]

Today I learned that Mystic Square has a sound option that uses arcade-cabinet-sounding beeps and boops instead of the normal sounds, and it sounds just awful.

[@alejandrite9]

no way almost like its on an old system that doesnt have the capability of making the sounds heard in windows games

[@Kromiball]

I tried it and it doesn't sound as bad as you made it out to be, the only problem I had with it were the annoying shooting sounds because I always held the Z button down. (except for on that one Alice spellcard)

[@R8Spike]

20:20 best maid fight starts

[@franciscodavi1323]

True

[@Giest118]

@mstrswrd There's a known bug with the Shinki fight that causes spontaneous death.

[@cracoucass9202]

@takulu64 The stage 4 theme is inspired by "Last Battle" from the game "Lufia & The Fortress of Doom" I think.

[@ashtonleach9866]

I may have did Stage 1 on Lunatic, but I'm not doing this stage 1 to EX.

[@TheDarkOniLink]

I'd need to find a citation on this, but I recall reading something on one of the wikis that said that her dialogue with Yuuka(?) suggests that she was already a Youkai or at least in the process of becoming one in Stage 3.

[@fujiwara_n]

25:47 Byakuren's spell card

[@ashecsavior5126]

Shinki's a frigin Overlord yo! its no wonder a glitch is taking yer life before fighting her if you attempt an early attack ROFL. Dem wings were crazy~

[@user-nx9xf5tv9x]

Ash Ecsavior your grammar is even worse than big shaq

[@silvernightray7701]

As long as the message got through...

[@AnonTen]

How about walkthrough with Yuuka?

[@ClamChowdaEnjoya]

TOUHOU EGGS 16:52

[@marisakirisame867]

Ah yes average thing i gonna play back in 1998

[@Orphealerote]

@OmegaWeaponX25 Oh wow, that's really amazing. O-O I don't think I could ever reach that level of skill. What's it like playing easy mode for you? Does it seem slow?

[@szymon6207]

Score 88 042 020

[@Orphealerote]

@OmegaWeaponX25 Well I do know you're right about that. One of the great things about Touhou is that you can see yourself improve over time. I was so proud of myself when I could make it to Okuu on Medium because at first I was having huge difficulties with cat form Orin. Did you start off not so pro either?

[@marixsunnyotp3142]

I was absolutely terrified when I saw the barely visible exploded star particles on first stage's grassland. Please tell me they aren't bullets... Edit: wtf the flying stars in stage 2

[@flaviusboanta3377]

ummmmmmm how did i think this inspired one of byakuren's attacks xD 25:29

[@nighthawkmmnp2806]

Yet another late response from me, but yes one of Byacuren's spell cards. Not to mention she is basically reciting a great magic from a demon, that demon probably being the queen of Makai herself, Shinki.

[@ConcreteMLP]

Where do I download the emulator ?

[@Orphealerote]

@OmegaWeaponX25 Wow, it's like a Touhou movie story. >w< Do you think the skill has helped you with anything other than Touhou?

[@oosha2000]

Not only skill but also playing some other shmup games came in handy to learn dodging the bullets.

[@doremysarchive3753]

ah a classic

[@Orphealerote]

Wow, great run. Is it true that people who are able to get to this level of difficulty see the spaces rather than the bullets?

[@oosha2000]

They study the bullet patterns to see how they work and find the widest gap possible to dodge the bullets. It's all about trial and error plus practice.

[@parafysh]

Lunatic on touhou 5=Easy mode on touhou 15

[@smilinggeneral8870]

absolutely correct.

[@duongclone5838]

Not even close to easy mode

[@disc06]

Meanwhile, the noob i am can't even 1cc this game on hard (Yumeko's so hard lol)

[@ohimgaynow6799]

Me too LOL

[@Fraven85]

... but... it's like that with every touhou... or rather... u just have to 1cc on normal or harder for the good ending and to unlock the extra stage. but doing the extra stage itself is optional... it's just a bit of "extra".

[@ptrl883]

Touhou...how long has it been around?

[@THE_INFECTED]

I was able to do 1cc until Shinki the red killed my eyes lol

[@lemonadeWithExtraE]

LUISE JUSR WANT VACATION

[@TailsMiles200]

@MoonWitchRuuRuu I'm not him but, no one starts pro at something out of blue, if he started Touhou and has a pro on his first play he is either godly or he played a harder shooter before, and I bet that if that's the case that harder shooter gave him a loooot of rage XD

[@AA-dq5jd]

Where the focus button ?

[@omarsoub_._]

its shift like in later games, but it doesn't do anything other than slow u down

[@rumia8913]

Mai is the girl ice power at stage 4

[@mstrswrd]

@Giest118 Ah. Alright.

[@AzuRemilia]

Wait. Did Alice just... *D A B ?*

[@karumachrislaxer7573]

¿dead girl alice? ¿why?

[@elise9084]

Who is the character that came out in stage 4?

[@taodivinity1556]

Yeah, who the fuck is that?

[@AA-dq5jd]

The blue hair one is Mai and blond hair one is Yuki

[@robotron6420]

​@@AA-dq5jdMeant the midboss

[@jadebayoba7073]

Why did you choose to fight Mai and not her Sister?

[@ScarXfur6926]

it's much easier to defeat mai than her sister

[@infinitecreations4702]

btw. it´s more bad to loose a life then to use a bomb...

[@Detonexploder]

Infinite Creations It's a No-bomb run mate.

[@infinitecreations4702]

Detonexploder Yes but that makes no sense if you loose a life just cuz u deliberately don´t want to use bombs. A Life is muuuuuuuuch more worth than a bomb. It would be better to bomb 5 times in row than to loose a single life... ...just speaking of my own touhou experience btw. If u want to beat without bombs then u also have to beat it without loosing a life LC :b

[@Detonexploder]

Infinite Creations It does make sense because it adds an extra challenge. That's the whole point of a No-Bomb. And that doesn't mean that you have to no-death it as well. A NMNB (NoMissNoBomb) is many MANY times more difficult and I guess in a game like Mystic Square just near impossible because MS has some insane boss attacks and a bug at shinki that makes you randomly lose a life after the dialogue. I've done Lunatic No-Bombs as well, but that doesn't mean that I can come even near to a NMNB run.

[@grass324]

These are easier than post th11

[@LeLucy1]

Consegui chegar no fim no primeiro dia que joguei esse, mas daí não passo '--

[@blizzlessness4995]

I dont understand Japanese and can someone list the names of the enemies and main characters?

[@mstrswrd]

At 23:22, what killed you? You just spontaneously died.

[@gypsysprite4824]

funnily enough it's a bug caused by the cheeto lasers of the last Yuki/Mai duo phase don't ask how the lazer hitbox thingy survives through the solo fight, stage 5, AND stage 6

[@MetalCrotchGuy]

Thera's music is better!

[@werewook]

do a Touhou cover

[@MAGInHeaven]

8 deaths ouch ;-;

[@user-rd8tz1rw3b]

5面からきちい

[@xenotwo2340]

Unlike

[@spooky0407]

This is it. This is peak Touhou. Everything after this game is just a downgrade from this one.

[@shrimp0353]

That's a pretty spicy take. What makes you say that ?

[@spooky0407]

@@shrimp0353 I don't think any other Touhou game holds up as well as Mystic Square. Let's break it down. *Gameplay* Gameplay is really tight, even to this day. The four playable characters are distinct but not too radically different, requiring a different play style. It's sucks though because the next game, EOSD, would go back to the LLS system. Aside from the Phantasmagoria games, we wouldn't get that system back until TD, LOLK, and HSFS (and the less said about TD, the better.) Sure there was the team mechanic in IN, but it's just not same, y'know? *Story* Mystic Square, while simple, probably has my favorite setup. Shortly after LLS, an large influx of youkai start swarming Gensokyo, leaving Reimu with a frustrating amount of extermination to do. Wanting to stop this, Reimu decides that she should head towards Makai to see if she can stop this invasion along with Marisa, Mima, and Yuuka who each have their own agenda. It's only until all four characters realize that the influx of youkai are because of a civilian travel agency that is arranging tours of Gensokyo and that the creator of Makai, Shinki, had no say in the ordeal. While I wouldn't specifically say that all your actions were "genocide", it kinda make you wonder if what you're doing invading Makai was really the right thing to do. Should we really trust Shinki that this doesn't fall within her jurisdiction? Or should we take matters into our own hands and have her pull back everyone? It's a good ass dilemma that makes you wonder about the world of Gensokyo and it's inhabitants after finishing the game. *Music* Probably one of my all-time favorite soundtracks ever. I'm serious. Right from the title screen down to the credits, the game just floods you with atmospheric yet upbeat tracks (which also contain motifs from HRTP) that gives me goosebumps, even to this day. This has to be ZUN's best work when it comes to music. Do I hate every game after Mystic Square? No, every game in the series is awesome in their own way. But Mystic Square will always be this series Magnum Opus imo. (except TD. TD was god awful.)

[@shrimp0353]

@@spooky0407 Ok, I definitely see what you mean. Especially with story & music. I will admit that I find much of the pc-98 music to be much better than the music in the Windows era.

[@Phantasma6621]

@@spooky0407 for me all the pc98 games are masterpieces and my most fav in pc 98 is SoEW and MS From windows version the touhou 6-14 are the best for windows, after touhou 15 and more it doesnt give the eastern vibe like it was