Tournament Poker CHEATING Exposed On Winning Poker Network!!

I take a look at a loophole in the registration system on the Winning Poker Network that is currently being exploited by at least 30 accounts for MASSIVE win rates. Some of these accounts have already been banned for this activity but many are not. This is one of the strangest things I've seen in online poker!! This loophole has remained open, even after some of these accounts have been banned for MONTHS!!! FIX THE LOOPHOLE WINNING POKER NETWORK!!!!
In my previous video, I discussed the possibility of botting, colluding and superusing taking place on the site. You can watch that here: • Online Poker Cheating ...
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[@DougPolkCrypto]

Bro, get your own hairstyle

[@gordonfreeman9114]

I thought you both were repping Vanessa.

[@edide1627]

Vanesa stop copying Doug Polk's hairs style

[@BoRnMuSh]

not cool doug, why joke around when joe is trying to expose a serious problem with ACR?

[@rickystephenson518]

Looks better on him tho Doug

[@Ben-bj4id]

negreanu is being such a little biznatch

[@endgame6979]

ALL THE SITES ARE PUTTING THERE OWN BOTS AT "EVERY" TABLE!!

[@jjfattz]

Considering ACR's disappointing response to your concerns, it makes me think they could be complicit. They could have an army of bots for many reasons (appearance of more action/"players", extra rake from winning bots-especially in "guaranteed" tournaments, busting real players to encourage more deposits, etc). Unfortunately, it seems the worst risks and motivation of cheating are from within.

[@Letsfallasleepletsfallasleep]

Almost like having house players excepttttttttttt!!! Its not haha!

[@99wins]

House bots

[@harbingerofepiphany3155]

Yes but in the long run I think they know that it wouldn't be worth it, it would leak out sooner or later!

[@99wins]

Aaron Storm you would think. And so did I... but it is leaked. These guys are not thinking long term, they are cash grabbing

[@lancetaiwhanga4127]

The only person that can cheat you is you, the rest is the blame game and anyone with this thinking should stay away from the game.

[@FLyCiTy]

ive never had so many bad beats in my life. un real

[@f1av0rflave]

I'm thinking the same thing after I just lost a bunch on the website. I wish I looked this up before I ever had a suspicion. Just heard of this site from a friend a couple weeks ago.

[@arianvangjeli]

Try pokerstars u will have more

[@lelzzz9390]

those free rolls were probably testing/training the bots. Just my speculation.

[@TheTheagent07]

makes sense

[@garygwinn4256]

Joey, I just want to thank you for being the 1st guy with the guts to expose this BS. A lot of us got Our AK beat by AJ constantly, our 10-10 beat by 10-9, and always found these sensationally crazy ways to lose on ACR, and have cried foul for years. We beat the game everywhere else, but get it handed to us on ACR. Fact is, Online Poker is a bad concept. Live Poker is the only real poker

[@gregsanchez1480]

Here is the loophole. Many ACR tournaments have such a long late registration period that you can register the tournament very close to the money. These late registrants are often put onto new tables together. Oftentimes you have a table full of players with 5 big blinds and all players are incentivized to stall in order to make it to the money. For example, the $11 $10,000 guarantee tournament usually pays 153 players. At the last couple of minutes of registration there can be anywhere from ~155-200 players left. There are many people that register at the last minute. Lets say there that 25 players enter in the last minute. You now have ~180-225 players in a tournament where 153 players cash. Some of the 25 entrants are put onto tables that are not filled, but many are put onto new tables together with the other late entrants. All of these new entrants are incentivized to stall in order to maximize their chance to make the money. They may or may not be colluding, but it is definitely rational for all of these players to stall. A simple solution would be to make sure that no more than 2 of these very late entrants are put onto the same table.

[@russ33c1]

Greg Sanchez start reducing time banks?

[@stanime3065]

yeah thats a better solution. or just reduce late reg time if its too long?

[@Letsfallasleepletsfallasleep]

Just fix structure so you cant come close to stalling into the money late reg!

[@stanime3065]

Then decrease registration time and increase rake to compensate. Wait, so more rake is better?

[@ldeue4837]

They can still delay all the way to hand-for-hand. That is still an effective strategy. Awful and I want to shoot the people that do it.

[@andrewl6136]

have you guys ever wondered why wpn is like the only site in history of all poker sites that doesnt let you see what you opponent had in the hand history??? this doesn't get brought up enough imo.

[@petershanks3049]

Andrew L agreed m8 something i always wondered about pretty sloppy on there part unless .....

[@TheMMaKID1]

I can see them using. A hud

[@ShuperMaynn]

Turning into detective Joey

[@james.ac.888]

detective papi

[@HuckIsHim]

ACR boycott. They are complicit in this

[@Me-ji2pn]

Joe can you do a video specifically about how bots work? How specifically the players cheat. Cus a lot of noobs like me don't understand.

[@szceed6526]

I've been a player and an employee on skins that are on the lvl of ACR and i dealed with providers on the level of WPN. There are so many ways to exploit the system. From you being able to get full face card up histories, playing multiple acc from multiple skins on the same table on a network to more complicated insider stuff to rig the game// superuse. I wanna believe STARS and Winamax are clean but hell you can never be sure I guess. From exp as soon it's a poker network or the site is operating in a market that is for some reason in a grey zone regulatory wise stay the fuck away. sry for bad english and keep going joe! greeting from Bosnia and Herzegovina

[@BrianHeidik]

Can you go into more detail? I'm not surprised but would love to hear more

[@matiasss550]

I would love some details too. I play in Winamax and I don't know, the porcentage of good hands that I get dealed is INSAILY low, INSAILY ! when I get a suited connections it's lie a party for me ! almost EVERY hand is unplayable. Perdon por mi ingles tambien.

[@raoulduke2820]

I've played on around a dozen different sites and I never suspected superusers on any except for ACR

[@christophermeyers1695]

Joey, I joined ACR back in October. By no means do I think that I am a pro...but I play 4-5 days/week at the Hard Rock in Ft. Lauderdale and hold my own there. I have a very respectable ROI and pretty much play a decent game. When I joined ACR, I took some really hard beats...crazy beats...CRAZY beats to where I thought there had to be some shady shit going on. I chalked it up and redeposited...and redeposited...and, you get the picture. After dumping a health chunk of my bankroll into this sham of a site, I had enough and decided I was done with online poker. I watch and follow what you are doing, and respect the hell out of what you are saying. You know, these offshore, Euro-Trash foreign casinos that want the money from the United States as a whole are not helping their cause. They need to police this shit and make it as legitimate as it can possibly be. All they are doing by ignoring, enabling and basically collecting cash without conscience, is giving ammunition to the politicians who are against online poker. They can go to Legislature and say "Hey, look at these schmucks who get taken everyday. This is not legitimate enterprise, nor would their practices be legal in the United States. Our citizens are being robbed by these people. Why should we legalize it?" That being said, keep up the good fight and keep doing what you are doing. See you at the tables in Ft. Lauderdale.

[@camsjams1]

Doing the lord's work papi

[@dougpolk3028]

Be careful Papi if you follow the trail it could lead straight to the top with corruption, similar to watergate. There are some powerful people in the industry that could be watching you very closely, and you are putting their business in jeopardy of potentially losing a lot of money.

[@4thandinches]

More like Obamagate, which will make Watergate look like child's play.

[@josephwalsh6281]

Joey "The DaVinci Code" Ingram

[@doogyjay1]

One of the players mentioned above was on every freeroll tourney I played for weeks. They would raise or jam any hand prelop from any position. Obviously the aggression gets folds, but with bingo games early in tourneys one has to know you will get called a lot. So playing all hands this way should be bad. But these players with the highest vpips are almost always the chip leader at the table. How? My theory based on 500k+ hands is that flops and streets are fixed for max action, and therefore junk will land much higher than it should.This same player I have video of busting me in an incomprehensible way. Late in tourney, pre flop. We both had 30+bb. I had 180hands on the same table with him and he went from constant jams early building a stack to not playing a single hand for 32 minutes. His Vpip was way down to 17% from 90% early. We was active during this lull. I had a 7% Vpip and was the only one who could hurt him chip wise. He has the button. I was in the bb and picked up AA. 1 min raise, 2 callers including villain. I jammed not wanting a multi way flop. All fold but villain who calls my all in. Now remember. I'm tightest at the table and he has 180 hands with me. He folded all hands for 32 minutes before this showing discipline. I was the only one who could hurt him. Every reason in the world to know I had a monster. No reason in the world to call off your tourney with 7 fing 3 off suit. He played 24/7 so a bedtime jam could not explain it either. Flop comes 737 and I'm out. I continued watching and he did not play another hand for 20 minutes not counting the break. That next hand he won with 8 10 off vs 10 10 hitting a strait on the turn. He placed 2nd. Only one explanation that makes sense even as bad as I don't want to believe it.

[@Sven564]

And as usual, suspicions and exposing doesn't stem from the poker room security but from players. That seems to be a pattern over the years.

[@arrinstoner]

I just started playing on ACR and something isn't right it doesn't feel like poker. I've never seen so many loose calling stations at the $20 to $100 tournament buy in level in my life. I feel like I'm sitting down at tables where players don't give a shit about money at all they are just there to see the river no matter how much it costs and no matter how bad the odds are that they are getting. I'm raising 4 to 6 times the BB just to try to get the trash out pre flop and without fail almost every time I raise I get 2 to 4 callers who call me all the way to the river even though I'm betting 3/4 to pot size and they are turning over hands where they were trying to hit gutshot straights, chasing with bottom pair, chasing straights and flushes where they clearly don't have the odds. It's unreal. And my AA, KK, QQ, AK, AQ are all getting cracked consistently by players calling huge preflop raises with K3 off, 7,10 suited, 2,6 suited, just the most retarded hands. And these are $20 to $100 buyin tournaments I could understand this play on a freeroll, micro or even low level. But not in medium buy in tournaments. I'm also seeing a shitload of players shoving all-in early tournament with 50 to 200 big blinds and showing down hands like 8,3 or 10,7 or K10. I'm folding my KQ, AJ and AQ to their all in's just to see someone else call them with KJ, K10, A9 or A10. It feels like a dump. Again, these are $20 to $100 tournaments. I don't know who has the money to just donk these tournaments like this. And something else I'm noticing is that there are massive overlays that incredibly evaporate just prior to registration ending. It's insane, no joke about 80% of the field doesn't register until 45 minutes or less left in the registration period. And by that time if you buy in you're sitting down to a starting stack of 10 to 20 big blinds. Tonight I played in a $20 $10,000 guaranteed turbo and at the time I registered there was around 85 players. I'm licking my chops at the overlay but then people start trickling in and I'm looking at 300 players in within the hour and then suddenly there's 900 players with 30 minutes left. Are people just donking out and rebuying like mad? I don't know but it just seems so bizarre that players are lurking around waiting for late registration so they can sit down to a 10 to 20 big blind stack.

[@mista_fur3346]

Joe, The older you get the more you'll realize that liars and cheaters will always win despite what grandma told you. I used to love poker, but once I finally realized people would stack decks or work in teams to cheat me I can no longer get happy about it.

[@9haymaker9]

If ACR does not pay back the losers, from playing bots/super users. We will know the whole site is corrupt. Well done Joey.

[@redeyedmonk]

Thank you for your effort Joey. You're doing a lot for the community.

[@timshaw8468]

I always knew I sucked at poker, but man. Why you gotta go and cheat me as a sucker too. I am mortified at the way they are trying to sweep it under the rugs. Shady.....

[@stanime3065]

just don't play on that site

[@stanime3065]

not everyone lives around the corner from a casino. Online poker is fine just play on proper sites.

[@TheTomtah]

tr0dd not really. Exploiting like this would not be possible on stars because their late reg is not as close to ITM and there are more players in each tournament meaning collusion is not possible when late regging because you are not guaranteed to end up at the same table when late regging and even if you were the odds of having a table change increases.

[@jeffreybourbon7273]

I wouldn't play in any sites... i guess thats why people play heads and up ,rather than playing cash and tourneys

[@michaelrice4472]

Okay it's now been two years later How about an update. Joey we know you're the best for the update.

[@davehimlin2374]

I have come to this conclusion when it comes to playing online poker, especially on sites like ACR- If you are playing there, and not involved in some type of cheating/collusion, then you are at a huge disadvantage, because it is almost certain that other players are colluding/cheating against you....and this does not even take into account the possibilities of rigged software/RCG .

[@MrJosephdrummond]

rampid isn't a word. rampant. much love, bro

[@bash6404]

Have you considered that these accounts could be operated by the site themselves. The amount of overlay in acr tournies has to be made up somewhere. Additionally the oddity of going from massive freeroll play (another loss leader) to very small stakes so not to bring attention is a possible indicator as well. Seems odd to be recruiting free roll players into syndicates...

[@arrinstoner]

That's what I'm thinking. I've noticed on ACR that I will buy into a tournament and there will be a huge overlay, we're talking hundreds of people and then out of nowhere you'll see people flooding into registration at the last minute. It's just not reasonable to believe people are going to drop 50 to 100 bucks to sit down at a tournament where your starting stack is 12 big blinds.

[@Josh-wm4sl]

this must be happening on global poker too, their players all of a sudden popped up on micro stakes leaderboards a few days before the end of the year with 97% ROI's :/

[@chrisharrison1296]

Great job Papi! We really appreciate you looking in to this!

[@matthewdobson8854]

joey i have watched alot of your mike postle videos and the collusion scandal on Acr and many podcasts that you have done. You do an excellent job of presenting all the facts and i commend everything you do for the poker community as a whole. I wanted to alert you to another possible scandal going on at acr as well. I have had three seperate instances where i was playing MTT tournaments alot of them very deep in potential to make a decent amount of money and all of a sudden the software freezes and starts messin up then the tournament pauses and they say be patient while they try and resolve the problem and within 30 min they cancel all the tournaments you are in and refund you the buy in. I looked at one of the forums regarding this and it said when they are having a bad day and not hitting the guarranteed prize pools and their is too much overlay this is how they combat the problem. Im not saying this is true but i did find it to be an interesting observation i was more just outraged at the amount of potential money i was forfeting away. I was really just curious with all the investigating you have done into Acr if you were familiar with all tournament cancellation and software issues. Obviously i know this is the problem with unregulated poker sites and its basically buyer beware.

[@carl9141]

I'm in a tournament right now on ACR approaching the money and there are a bunch of 5BB stacks all stalling. The structures need to change so that the period from what late reg finishes to when you're in the money is long enough that you need to chip up quite a bit. Probably really hard to implement though

[@whitelextown]

Late reg needs to be cut, drop the "pull up a new table and add all late reg players" on that one table.

[@coolnightskate]

This is happening right now in one of my games. It's seriously so frustrating because after the bubble literally half of the players left have like

[@TheTomtah]

Its not at all hard to implement lol. Literally 0% of other sites have the same problem.

[@Ben-bj4id]

the people are stalling people its a strategy, they are hoping to take mroe time, so that other short stacks can bust before them, its a totally legitamite strategy and all the best pokerplayers do it when neccesary.

[@swedlifeboiii9619]

ben your gay

[@annsmith3293]

Joey it's great that you did this but I'm concerned for your safety in case ACR is connected with the mafia. It's time to hand this over to the FBI/DOJ and let it go. I know you want to be able to play fair games online but that is just not possible anymore. Artificial intelligence is becoming ever more accessible to more people, so the bots won't stop, they'll just get better and harder to detect.

[@stanime3065]

Yeah ACR has dangerous people. Seriously don't mess with ACR, dangerous stuff.

[@aceofwizardsnephelite829]

knock, knock

[@4thandinches]

Obama's FBI/DOJ appointees are severely compromised and corrupted.

[@carl9141]

Never clicked on a video so fast. Thank you for this Joey!

[@cunt4003]

THANK YOU PAPI! The culture online has become so toxic, thank you for standing up for players.

[@jonathandowning4827]

Awesome video...I play the micro sng’s and have come across a few of these accounts. I play under the screen name JSpencer. I have decent graph for a sample size of just under 700 games. I’ve emailed arc support about “super users” and heard nothing back. I might be grasping at straws here, but some of the play I see is unreal. Thanks for putting the time in and exposing this atrocity. I promise the work you’ve put has not gone unnoticed.

[@BornIn1500]

I've done this along with them sometimes but I have no idea who they are and I'm not "colluding". You can call it immoral and bad for the game, but I don't think you can call it cheating. It's simply a problem with ACR's massively long late regging allowing it to be done. These people are just waiting for the last minute of reg, waiting for a new table to open, and then using their given time bank (and disconnect time bank) to min cash. It's not illegal cheating. It's exploiting the terrible ACR structure.

[@colesdonovan]

One thing to note about the difference in cash rates when comparing to the freerolls is that the freerolls only pay the top 10 players no matter the number of entrants. So, they are much harder to cash.

[@dfyband]

When someone wins at a rate that is constantly over the range of 1.5 standard deviation, you know they must be cheating

[@_SjB_]

Maybe they all just purchased the upswing tournament masterclass?

[@benjaminwilliams1536]

I just started playing again after years of being inactive. I've noticed that almost every preflop raise in the ACR tourneys are min raises would these be Bots? And I'm uncomfortable with how the unlimited re-entry that lasts like 30 levels. Feels like there's alot of incintive to keep knocking out whales so they just keep rebuying jacking up the prize pool. I had a really odd experience on the bubble in the Sunday million. I went 55 bb allin on the bubble preflop sitting in the big blind & I was bluffing but got called by Q/4 off suite & yeah I Lost. The player only had me covered by 10 or 12 BB... That's fucked up

[@mikeasan1]

I play on ACR. I can understand the massive increase in ITM when a player changes from freerolls to actual buy in tourneys. In Freerolls ACR only pays out maybe top 2% of players per freeroll. Only 10 places paid out of 500 players. And 500 players is a small freeroll. Not to discredit your research buddy. Something i have noticed is how lucky the newer accounts are these days. An account that is only a few weeks old, sits down, post blind out of position, and 1st hand is AA or AK. I believe ACR favours the newest accounts. By favour I mean, better starting hands, draws, flops, % of time they hit a flop and so on. At first i didn't think much of it, it was just an observation. And the fat that ACR hasn't acted on the bots, multi accounts or anything else, well, that gives more weight to my observation. Would ACR give statistical advantage to newer accounts to drum up business? I don't know. I have also noticed a significant decrease in my playable hands. A typical session for me would be to play a 25/20/2 game at a 9 handed table. This year I average 19/12. I started to ask myself what happened and ran a filter for my hands. Turns out only 40% of cards I am dealt are 9's or higher. 55% of the cards I see are 7's or lower. I only see pocket pairs 1/27 hands. maybe I am just on a downswing? I don't know. My question is...If I am not getting the cards someonels is. But who? Maybe a newer account? Great hannel buddy. keep up the great work!

[@goathair33]

I was very suspicious of the new accounts back in 2016 when a ton of them started showing up. When i was looking at who i was losing to or who the biggest winners it would be these players, and then when i looked at who was losing only a few of the new accounts were in that group. Also looking at hands won/lost the numbers vs regs were pretty close to 50/50, but the new accounts would be winning these hands at a 5-1,4-1,3-1 margin. Maybe a fluke, but i saw this over a few months, and found it a little suspect.

[@webguy943]

this gives more credibility to the "doom switch" thery since this clearly shows these accounts got their heater switch turned on. I've ALWAYS wondered why I can consistently win in live games yet consistently lose online. Excuses i've seen were like "well there r better players online". Really? villian pushes all in with 92 off against my AA preflop and hitting trips or 2 pair is skill right? or the donk that goes all in with 32 against my 2 pair after i 3 bet them on the flop, then they hit runner runner straight. oh but theyre the better player right? give me a fucking break. i see the same donk moves online and live but u know wat the difference is? in live they dont hit fucking runner runner 9/10 times.

[@arlcp7153]

100% true...And live you dont lose 8/10 hands with AK/AQ vs Ax....Happends 90% of the time when im deep in a tournament...AMAZING!

[@ScottySkilz1]

@@arlcp7153 ya i always see AK vs A7 and A7 winning. Or AA vs J5 I shove all in late tourney with 40ish BB and J5 insta calls and hits a 4 card flush. its total BS but there is nothing better to do so im force the play here and get punished. I have won a few tourney tho so I cant say its all rigged.

[@zayzoo948]

I laughed when he said " can't win a freeroll for his life ." I played most of these guys he named..this is scary

[@markadams70]

It's really simple: these cardrooms have to move money in and out of the US illegally - via money laundering, through multiple shell organizations. Who has the ability to do this on any scale? ORGANIZED CRIME. Either they are owned by a crime syndicate or they have hired them out for the task. Ignition is no different. These guys aren't in business to protect your interests. They're thieves, that's what they do. Don't feed them. Sucks but that's the state of online poker in US.

[@markadams70]

The transactions in and out of these card rooms are money laundering. Look up the definition.

[@markadams70]

Put differently, if your bank knew the transactions were for offshore poker they wouldn't honor the transactions. So the money flows through legitimate appearing sources - ie) shell companies.

[@davidleakey5303]

It's owned by the Sinaloa Cartel.

[@jasonbourneistreadstone]

May as well talk to the wall, Mark. But the win rates here say it all: Impossible and well outside of standard deviation. Doesn't matter.. People want to believe these scam sites are honest and they'll chase the Poker Dream and throw their money away over and over again until they lose it all. I saw a few videos where some KZbinr was doing a $10 - $1000 challenge, ran the bank to 750ish but day 149 something. 100 days later, down to nothing. You telling me you can lose buy-in after buy-in when you're 75% of the way there and get all of that grounded down? Yet, it happened. They let him live a while to prop up the action then took it all back. Like Magic said years ago in his videos, you're on a program. Eventually, they take it all. It's not just the rigged software you're up against on these sites, as this video shows. It's multi-accounting, bots (other players or the house itself), collusion rings, etc. Any and every way you can be cheated online. You're dead right again re: organized crime. These sites are fronts for money laundering ops, mainly. But of course the owners want their "cut" too so they scam you with bots and rigged software. And, of course, the syndicate gets their cut, etc. Everybody wins - except the player.

[@chiren998]

It really looks like the people who ran the freeroll bots transitionned to a more lucrative loophole. Thank you for doing this Joey, it has to be done.

[@michaelfink6748]

I'll never play on ACR again. Knew they had cheaters on there

[@mariodefoy2451]

After i was robbed $25k on ftp and charged $900 fee to withdraw $20k on 888, i stopped internet poker. Zero play since 2015....

[@steveharding8965]

Not sure what it all means tho.Looks like a bot is playing freeroles not doing too well and then suddenly plays tourny and does very well,why? Is it learning?

[@codynevers51]

I need live poker back!! This internet poker is all shady AF!! Global poker is horrendous with shade

[@bgutierrez909]

Joey, please do a video on the suspicious activity you believe is taking place at the higher stakes cash games.

[@danm7398]

The house max profit theory: Cash Games: Use house accounts with bots, programmed to slowly win against unsuspecting real players over the long run. MTTs: have massive overlays(Getting more players to play them, with those players thinking they are getting a deal on their money). use house bots programmed to place in the money. Covering the overlay and showing a profit over time. 1) Target new depositors by giving them the nuts to win a few times, then slowly take their money over time, hopefully getting them to redeposit, and start the cycle over again. 2)Super users: have insiders play the tables(but have a script) like how and when to use the super user feature, to not draw much attention to them, and slowly take money from the other players. Conclusions: The unregulated online poker sites are using numerous ways to cheat the player pools out of their money , slowly over time, and by doing It slowly over time they are staying under the radar which does not cause the player pool to see any red flags, so the player pool continues to play and therefore lose their money to the sites over a long period of time. Making money that way is like having a money tree that never dies. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just a theory, thanks Joey for making me paranoid..Just joking, It a theory.

[@paul1548]

What you're doing Joey is vital to the online poker world. Don't let those who attack you bring you down, you're providing ample evidence to prove your claims.

[@davidauli925]

I became suspicious of ACR being rigged and I started recognizing the ways that the bots would win with the craziest odds. Once I implemented my strategy with bots in mind I actually started winning. I get a lot of the same people in my games that seem suspicious. I mark them and then ACR deletes all of my notes on players. I've found that I only get screwed in ACR's main tourneys, cash games, jackpots, blitz. In private matches and 1 table sit n go's I have no issues and the least amount of crazy calls.

[@whitelextown]

Freerolls of the thousands and not cashing vs looking at 3.30 cent MTT games doesn't seem like that is a big deal. The freeroll to cash, you really have to make final table to cash whereas there is a smaller playerpool in the 3.30. Now the exploitation of the late reg is very interesting as you see them load up before late reg. THis can be easily taken care of by not having as long of a late reg. Once late reg is over, it's not too long after in some cases that you are ITM on ACR. This is what is wrong. If you take that element out of it, it wouldn't be exploitative. Late reg on ACR is way too long. I would rather them lower the GTD down and tighten the late reg up to 2 hours vs 4 hours or better yet, traditionally speaking, 1 hour for the regular tourneys, that would be much better than their long deep late reg. It's not good for the game itself IMO.

[@truetrue2963]

how long are the blind intervals on acr? on global poker i think the longest one is 10 mins and they have NO late reg at all lol. kind of hard to make it deep if u dont pickup a few good hand in the first blind level your forced to flip very early.

[@whitelextown]

they go from 10 minutes to 12 minutes but then they give you 5K to 10K chips depending on the tournaments. The 10K games, depending on the tourney, you can last late reg and especially the early morning tourneys, it's not too hard to reg late last and be in the money within the hour. That is the problem then adding the "extra table element to it and a team of players that could be colluding (i see the possibility) and the new table pulls up and you are on skype or whatever and boom, you have team of 5 and just tank fold or better worse as Joey was seeing is tank open and tank calling and tank raising and tank calling and tank folding with a team of like 5 guys on the exploit table, that would get them in the money easy. Yeah, Global, there would be no exploit there for there is no late registion. No exploitative bots based on stats for there are no huds. I am not really sure about hand histories from a security team on Global though and not really keen on the RNG there either. It just seems online poker is going to always be a collusion mess just due to skype element, chatting and screen sharing etc all around. Just think of the tag teaming that can go on in a game. Who would know if you are teamviewering and 4 others on the same account and or multiple accounts all sandboxed with VPNS. It's simple to do, you know what I mean?

[@marknice7337]

I stopped playing when a friend suggested I get 4 more accounts to insure I win. I thought if he's got 4 or more accounts everyone else must also.

[@MrMattyMoses]

My friend Noah Watry told me about the work you've been doing exposing this 💚 They should be able to see that you're sharing what you've discovered because you care about the game of poker and you care about America's Cardroom. Great video, man.

[@sean2514]

Thanks for doing this Joey... I play on ACR so I appreciate you doing the right thing and letting people know how they run their site. Is Pokerstars any better?

[@jagr1683]

Sean Yes. All the legit pokersites have security measures that doesn't allow the use of VPN tools, IP blockers, and screen sharing tools like teamviewer which significantly reduces the ability for multiple accounting collusion. Even ignition has measures in place to reduce collusion... bots thats a trickier thing to stop

[@shanebell1]

till this day its happening, people are constantly working together and the system isnt detecting them. there was a table where dudes were helping out the small stack, theyd never raise him but always folded to him when he was big or small blind, when it came to my turn theyd all try to get in the hand with me and never folded to me. it was sooo obvious they were all working together! luckly for me i lucked out and took dude out. this is happening especially because alot of tourneys rewards multiple places so they all win. they tried to have me lose through blinds while keeping their buddy alive by folding to him, so he can place. this is especially happening in tables where u can see how many are in it like sit and goes n cash. me and my buddy tested it out and we litterally dominated a table where top 3 places win a prize. we won like it was nothing. like filling a cup with water, thats how much of an advantage collusion gives. we have integrity and honor so we only did it once to test it. it was only for the smallest amount possible just to test it. we didnt do it since. its almost impossible to profit,. skill alone cant take on bots, collusion, others skill and the major factor, luck. this is acr 2020 so its still on going. im sure its pretty easy to have one of the workers at acr having a friend along with other friends, colluding and staying under the radar. just like having a friend that works security at a store and u go in there and steal. not sure if this is happening but i wouldnt look past it

[@eirik9444]

You did a great job here, Joey! Do not even bother for a second what the ACR people tell you about right and wrong, because they clearly have no clue, and you did/are doing the right thing. Thanks👍

[@stlbigbad23]

I have never, and will never trust online poker.

[@xelanova154]

I have around 30% win rate in micro stakes tourneys and I'm not incredibly good so 50% might actually possible making it hard to ban.

[@juanvelez3241]

Hey Papi, thanks for posting this one. I was starting to think you were losing it based on the previous 2 videos but this one looks a lot better. thanks for sharing. definitely looks like some shady business going on! thanks for having the balls to post this.

[@brianeisenreich3175]

I'm literally witnessing in a 6 max right near the bubble and all these late register people are all tanking every hand!

[@joebertucci813]

It is in the rooms best interest to allow bots to go on a long time and then ban them at cashout. The house clears most money by doing this. Why do something different?

[@stkfr]

I dont know the system for theses rooms but here in france you have to send your id/passport + bank account to fully activate your poker account so i dont think this could happen much since major sites are checking ips and suchs things

[@conniedobbs5894]

Nice work Joey! I did the same thing with BO and seen the exact same things. You'd have to play 24/7 to play as many tourneys as they do. Also the graphs were very similar with the free rolls and then all of the sudden high win rates.

[@noahsandler1726]

My poker coach had a player with 240% roi on acr call him down with Q3o high for big bets on turn and river. He brought it to ACR's attention and they said they investigated and found nothing wrong. There were a series of other 240% accounts with similar stats...

[@ianmatakis6214]

Finally, been waiting for this. Liking before I watch

[@nickmoore9843]

"How is this my life? How am I ACR security?"

[@bigslaps_jason_d9880]

Well well well I was about to make a deposit to acr today now i dont know if i want to because of these bots and super users

[@BIG-BOWSER]

You should break TOS and show them how easy it is to have multiple accounts in same games and team viewer' And put it on youtube.

[@annsmith3293]

Someone in an anonymous mask should do this, not Joey, but he could link to it.

[@LarryBynight]

What is TOS ???

[@DKPoker]

Nice work man! Remember that the freerolls only payout like 1% of the field so those ITM rates of 2-3% aren't very far off from the 50-60% ITM at regular tourneys where 10-20% of the field are paid.

[@kevinwarner3693]

Joey, a lot of people are now playing on Global Poker, please do your work the community needs it!

[@kcksd10]

Even late regging to the same table as a bunch of your friends there's still no way to cash 70 80 %

[@DailyPickedFitVidz]

why is ACR still a Beta for apple on MAC. its bean over a year... but a full version on Windows WTF

[@Alex-gb8em]

i cant win on this site, not even sng's and those are my specialty. i cash on sng's on every poker site i have played on except ACR, i always questioned it but i started thinking i was really bad. im not a great player by any means but i cash a sng more often than not on ignition/bovada, carbon and back in the day on FTP and PS so something is up with ACR. im glad you are coming out with this because it makes me feel better im not as bad as i thought

[@sebo4109]

Who actually plays 5K freerolls

[@jyienger]

Bas R ... A BOT

[@sebo4109]

haha i guess so

[@ramairneon]

Thank you Joey, keep it up!! We DO need to know this!!

[@jceepoker3256]

I've been shafted so many times by ACR due to cancelled mtt's and nobody cared about it. Their chat support was useless and shut down the chat on me multiple times. This is no surprise to me to learn that I have been further disadvantaged. I had already decided that I would not play there anymore and this is further evidence as to why I will never play on ACR again. I'm glad you put this video out there @JoeIngram1 . So many Twitch streamers who play on ACR never acknowledge any wrong doing by ACR. I can understand why if they are part of their streaming team, but the fact is that their customer service is garbage and they will go to lengths to avoid doing the right thing.

[@jceepoker3256]

I just heard the part where you talk about "redistributing those funds..." to other players. I highly doubt ACR did this and they should be questioned about this for sure. Unravel this and I wouldnt be surprised to find ACR is the Enron of poker sites.

[@1traderjoe484]

I played acr about a year ago ran up 50 deposit to around 200 ish and was never able to withdraw. From that point I've known there was somthing wrong with that site

[@ScottySkilz1]

the freerolls are only $50 with first place paying $3-4 and the first payout is $0.07....so nothing special

[@KevLovesCrypto]

I ask myself why so many of these players started with freerolls. It's almost like they started off as filler accounts to keep up the player pools in freeroll tourneys before becoming apart of the scam, could even be ACR employees.

[@ryanhanneman3336]

Thanks for all your work Joey! About time someone stepped up to say something. Hopefully u can look into the possible superuser accounts as well.

[@BornIn1500]

The ITM percentage for those freerolls is very misleading. WPN always has the $10 on-demands running. They only pay top 10 and 600+ people always play them. So it's not normal payouts at all and your cash percentage will always be very, very low no matter how good you are.

[@dalebigfoot]

Here is what's happening with sleepy berry..... wins a shit load on lower stakes and moves up stakes and loses it to player x, and player x takes all sleepy berrys money and a load more at his stakes and moves up and loses it all to player z and so on... BUT although this seems normal on paper... YOU GUESSED IT.... THESE PLAYERS ARE ALL HOUSE BOTS, you can never win them, they have the nuts all the time, iv watched them for hours, if you can't see it, it's because you don't won't to see it or your just not the brightest of people, but mark my words, one day it will all come out and you will say I NEW IT, lol good luck at the tables🤔

[@daveslim3692]

Damn. If Negreanu could of hired you I’d be convinced paying more rake is better for me. Keep working Papi!

[@apexroots]

Wow, this is bullsh t... Nvr playing there again

[@ericvansteelandt2820]

Hahahahaha “freeroll sleeper cell’s” too funny joey

[@jclary9048]

makes sence why there is always 40-50 entries in last 2 min when there was only 200 total entries....its always so annoying

[@cuuzicuuzi]

Joey, in order to put the absurd 70-80% winrates into perspective, you mention the best heads up players only have a winrate slightly above 50%. I don't think HU winrates compare that well though. For everyone who's not familiar with tournament/SNG In-The-Money percentages, could you show some winrates of the biggest winners in the same buyin ranges ($3-$11 tournaments) over sizeable samples on Stars? I think that would give people a better benchmark to compare to, and it could turn your data into rock solid evidence, instead of what it is now - crystal clear cheating to people who understand the numbers, but unproven to people who are less knowledge on the matter. Thank you!

[@joeingram1]

Good idea Jay. Thanks for the idea.

[@firaga5760]

To be fair, the american freeroll scene is pretty tough. I hear the Legend27 frequents there too.

[@dsdomestic]

Good video Joey, thanks.

[@chuffsie]

I’d love to expand on this video for a major site. I’m not a bad loser, I run well, I run badly. This is a fast or zoom or or or. I’m not going to say anymore on that, but there are 5 to 10 accounts that create a massive edge. I could speak forever about this, but needless to say, playing aggressive Polk style gave me a decent return, for a little while. So I changed to a nitty style. I then changed to a calling station...etc etc. Honestly it didn’t matter what style I played I could only win a nice pot if playing 78o. Would love to chat, get in touch

[@jeromeclement4775]

Keep in mind that the free rolls only pay 10 spots and usually have 500+ entries. 2-3% cash rate is not bad

[@ScottySkilz1]

yes and the pay outs are like .07 for 100 and $3-4 for first

[@nikopakalen7342]

I assume there is a ring of people, not bots, who join same games and stall to get mincashes. They also target games with special conditions like short distance from latereg to bubble, which leads to low volume. There are games where players who observe lobby can join immediately in the money so it is possible that such bot or bunch of educated people are getting the results that are available to anyone (which is not exactly cheating, just poor tournament late registration rules). I would like to also point out they have extremely small average cash, which means they don't get to money via chip accumulation, but stalling as a group / registering very close to bubble. Some of the lower cashrates such as 50% are likely people who have seen what others are doing and are coattailing the stalling teams, perhaps even abusing stallers by attacking their blinds while often hitting cash due to whole table stalling.

[@andrewl6136]

i have heard of people using an app called sandboxie in order to play multiple skins at the same time from 1 computer.. messed up stuff.

[@Lucas-qw5gl]

Thanks Joe don’t let the haters stop this amazing stuff you’re doing!! People like you make the world a better place!

[@kenjanis3061]

Played with these two the other night on ACR in a $5 six max tournament. Names are "HungryMonkey" and "Mr1Button". Both are from Kyiv, Ukraine, sat next to each other and both of their Sharkscope ability 84. Please add these two to your "BOT" database.

[@donnydye1998]

Bottom line every online game is corrupt, if it can be corrupted it is corrupt. End of story