The Age of the Universe: What is the Conflict Between Torah and Science? Rabbi Tovia Singer Responds

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[@espositogregory]

I love this man like family. One of the GREAT teachers in our time

[@ihsankamil6279]

He's a Christian hater!!!!!

[@mariadaniel8471]

May Hashem keep you with us many years you are a source of light from hashem to wake us all up thank you.

[@hrgirl26]

@@ihsankamil6279 He's an idolatry hater. But granted...same thing.

[@ihsankamil6279]

@@hrgirl26 smart ass

[@hrgirl26]

@Iyas kelu First of all, that's an English translation and highly inaccurate. But that does prove the point that Jewish people hate idolatry! We do not hate "non-jews" though; that word is not in the text. Not all non-Jews are idolators, like Muslims, etc.

[@chodeshadar18]

Why does Kim Kardashian have a billion views and this guy has only 1400?

[@danielcohen5109]

The Talmidei Chachamim said the absolute truth 2,000 years ago that, this world that we live in is the world of LIES. Only through Torah and Tanach is absolute TRUTH, B'H

[@carlmorrison9789]

The flood began awhile ago. Instead of water it's vanity.

[@jimwalker3808]

He speaks an uncomfortable truth

[@kaznowik815]

👍

[@Solarfr8]

because she is a symbol of fertility

[@davidd.c.9545]

Amazing teaching! Thank you dear rabbi!!

[@alvinbernardo9551]

This give me a great knowledge and peace of mind, bless you rabbi

[@wimm1392]

Never a dull moment when this Rabbi speaks, so interesting. Thanks very much

[@anthonyshannon6744]

As an atheist I truly enjoy listening to rabbi singer. But young earth? Come on rabbi!!

[@briankregg6329]

6000 is about right, you can use scripture to date back to Adam. It simple anything older is false, Adam brought death by sin, nothing could have died before that

[@RKMalo13]

15:53 - "I'm not kidding. I know 60 minutes had a show on elephants that can paint. I'm not talking about that". hahaha. That's awesome. The wittiness is just an added bonus to these videos. Baruch Hashem!

[@morielrorschach8090]

BTW, elephants can be trained to do all sorts of things if they're abused enough. Elephants do not paint what's in their own imagination, but "trained (very painfully)“ to go through a specific set of motions to avoid pain. Resulting in a painting that people think is cute. Research that training process at your own emotional risk, if you have a strong stomach.

[@savtamarlene]

@@morielrorschach8090 Interesting that you should say that. i saw that show online and sent it to my email list. One of sons-on-law is S. African and LOVES elephants...his favorite animal. He said EXACTLY the same thing you just said.

[@Erin__D]

As a former evangelical and currently very confused human... what about the lion man carving (estimated 40,000 yrs old) or other pieces of art drawn on caves that are beautiful that date much past 6,000 years? I personally appreciate your answers SO much! I’ve left Christianity largely because of you; but I still have many questions.

[@yahya2925]

The Quranic word for "day" in the creation instance simply means a VERY.. VERY long period of time. Not a literal day. The Qur'an has never been in conflict with science. ❤😊. Also modern embryology as we know it was revealed in the Qur'an in great detail before we made the microscope. Hope you'll take some time to search my claims InshaAllah. I used to be a baptist myself.

[@jtizzle1407]

He says its the materials used being dated. Not when the person physically wrote it

[@abc_6]

@ExXtian Erin I recommend you to look into Islam 👍

[@audieabel1261]

Erin, tovia is extremely biased and will always find a reason to ignore or go against science, because he must believe his tanakh is true or it threatens his beliefs. U are more humble and have already broken some of your cognitive walls to get to where you are, which is why u are asking very good questions. This is very difficult for those who cannot get past their cognitive barriers. Takes lots of humility, courage, amd maturity to seriously challenge your deeply held beliefs. Never stop learning and asking questions. And always remember that credibility is the most important thing when we are looking to challenge beliefs for validity. You have discovered Christianity isn't credible. Very good👍 But what if the whole Bible isn't credible as well? If the bible has credibility problems, then so does Jesus and Yahweh. If Yahweh isn't credible, he's just as much fantasy as a fairy or any other false god. I hope u continue on your journey of seeking truth no matter where it may lead.

[@audieabel1261]

Below is the story of a Sumerian flood myth which was about King Ziusudra of Shuruppak from 2900bc. (archeological and geological evidence confirm a large local river flood at the area around 2900bc) Noah's flood is around 2450bc as dated from bible chronology. Jews wrote their flood story around 600bc while the Sumerians, Akkadians, and Babylonians wrote variants of the same Sumerian story at least 1000 years before the jews. The Flood Narrative From the Gilgamesh Epic Gilgamesh has made a long and difficult journey to learn how Utnapishtim acquired eternal life. In answer to his questions, Utnapishtim tells the following story. Once upon a time, the gods destroyed the ancient city of Shuruppak in a great flood. But Utnapishtim, forewarned by Ea (=Enki), managed to survive by building a great ship. His immortality was a gift bestowed by the repentant gods in recognition of his ingenuity and his faithfulness in reinstituting the sacrifice. Shurippak - a city which thou knowest, (And) which on Euphrates’ banks is set - That city was ancient, (as were) the gods within it, When their heart led the great gods to produce the flood. There were Anu, their father, Valiant Enlil, their counsellor, Ninurta, their herald, Ennuge, their irrigator. Ninigiku-Ea was also present with them; Their words he repeats to the reed-hut (home of Utnapishtim): ‘Reed-hut, reed-hut! Wall! Wall! Reed-hut, hearken! Wall, reflect! Man of Shuruppak (Utnapishtim), son of Ubar-Tutu, Tear down (this) house, build a ship! Give up possessions, seek thou life. Despise property and keep the soul alive. Aboard the ship take thou the seed of all living things. The ship that thou shalt build, Her dimensions shall be to measure. Equal shall be her width and her length. Like the Apsu (subterranean waters) thou shalt ceil her.’ I understood, and I said to Ea, my lord: ‘Behold, my lord, what thou has thus ordered, I shall be honoured to carry out. But what shall I answer the city, the people and elders?’ Ea opened his mouth to speak, Saying to me, his servant: ‘Thou shalt then thus speak unto them: I have learned that Enlil is hostile to me, So that I cannot reside in your city, Nor set my foot in Enlil’s territory. To the Deep I will therefore go down, To swell with my lord Ea. But upon you he will shower down abundance, The choicest birds, the rarest fishes. The land shall have its fill of harvest riches. He who at dusk orders the husk-greens,Will shower down upon you a rain of wheat (...to deceive the residents of Shurrupak as to the real intent of the rain).’ With the first glow of dawn, The land was gathered about me. [too fragmentary for translation] The little ones carried bitumen, While the grown ones brought all else that was needful. On the fifth day I laid her framework. One (whole ) acre was her floor space, Ten dozen cubits the height of each of her walls, The dozen cubits each edge of the square deck. I laid out the shape of her sides and joined her together. I provided her with six decks, Dividing her (thus) into seven parts, Her floor plan I divided into nine parts. I hammered water-plugs into her. I saw to the punting-poles and laid in supplies. Six ‘sar’ (measures - about 8 gallons) of bitumen I poured into the furnace, Three sar of asphalt I also poured inside. Three sar of the basket-bearers transferred, Aside from the one sar of oil which the caulking consumed, And the two sar of oil which the boatman stowed away. Bullocks I slaughtered for the people, And I killed sheep every day. Must, red wine, oil, and white wine I gave the workmen to drink, as though river water, That they might feast as on New Year’s Day... On the seventh day the ship was completed. The launching was very difficult, So that they had to shift the floor planks above and below, Until two-thirds of the structure had gone into the water. Whatever I had I laded upon her; Whatever I had of silver I laded upon her; Whatever I had of gold I laded upon her; Whatever I had of all the living being I laded upon her. All my family and kin I made go aboard the ship. The beasts of the field, the wild creatures of the field, All the craftsmen I made go aboard. Shamash had set for me a stated time: ‘When he who orders unease at night Will shower down a rain of blight, Board thou the ship and batten up the gate!’ That stated time had arrived: ‘He who orders unease at night showers down a rain of blight.’ I watched the appearance of the weather. The weather was awesome of behold. I boarded the ship and battened up the gate. To batten up the (whole) ship, to Puzur-Amurri, the boatman, I handed over the structure together with its contents. With the flirst glow of dawn, A black cloud rose up from the horizon. Inside it Adad (god of storm and rain) thunders, While Shallat and Hanish (Heralds of Adad) go in front, Moving as heralds over hill and plain. Erragal (Nergal, the god of the netherworld) tears out the posts (out of the dam); Forth comes Ninurta and causes the dikes to follow. The Anunnaki lift up the torches, Setting the land ablaze with their glare. Consternation over Adad reaches to the heavens, Turning to blackness all that had been light. The wide land was shattered like a pot! For one day the south-storm blew, Gathering speed as it blew, submerging the mountains, Overtaking the people like a battle. No one can see his fellow, Nor can the people be recognized from heaven. The gods were frightened by the deluge, And, shrinking back, they ascended to the heaven of Anu. The gods cowered like dogs Crouched against the outer wall. Ishtar cried out like a woman in travail, The sweet-voiced mistress of the gods moans aloud: ‘The olden days are alas turned to clay, Because I bespoke evil in the Assembly of the gods, How could I bespeak evil in the Assembly of the gods, Ordering battle for the destruction of my people, When it is I myself who give birth to my people! Like the spawn of the fishes they fill the sea!’ The Anunnaki gods weep with her, Their lips drawn tight,...one and all. Six days and six nights Blows the flood wind, as the south-storm sweeps the land. When the seventh day arrived, The flood (-carrying) south-storm subsided in the battle, Which it had fought like an army. The sea grew quiet, the tempest was still, the flood ceased. I looked at the weather: stillness had set in, And all of mankind has returned to clay. The landscape was as level as a flat roof. I opened a hatch, and light fell on my face. Bowing low, I sat and wept, Tears running down my face. I looked about the coast lines in the expanse of the sea: In each of fourteen (regions) There emerged a region (-mountain). On Mount Nisir the ship came to a halt. Mount Nisir held the ship fast, Allowing no motion. (Indecipherable or missing) [For six days the ship is held fast by Mount Nisir.] When the seventh day arrived, I sent forth and set free a dove. The dove went forth, but came back; There was no resting place for it and she turned round. Then I sent forth and set free a swallow. The swallow went forth, but came back; There was no resting-place for it and she turned round. Then I sent forth and set free a raven. The raven went forth and, seeing that the waters had diminished, He eats, circles, caws, and turns not around. The I let out (all) to the four winds And offered a sacrifice. I poured out a libation on the top of the mountain. Seven and seven cult-vessels I set up Upon their plate-stands I heaped cane, cedarwood, and myrtle. The gods smelled the savour, The gods smelled the sweet savour, The gods crowded like flies about the sacrificer. As soon as the great goddess (Ishtar=Ninhurti) arrived, She lifted up the great jewels which Anu had fashioned to her liking: ‘Ye gods here, as surely as this lapis Upon my neck I shall not forget, I shall be mindful of these days, forgetting (them) never. Let the gods come and to the offering: (But) let not Enlil come to the offering, For he, unreasoning, brought on the deluge And my people consigned to destruction.’ As soon as Enlil arrived, And saw the ship, Enlil was wroth, He was filled the wrath against the Igigi gods (heavenly gods): ‘Has some living soul escaped? No man was to survive the destruction!’ Ninurta opened his mouth to speak, Saying to valiant Enlil: ‘Who other than Ea can devise plans? It is Ea alone who knows every matter.’ Ea opened his mouth to speak, Saying to valiant Enlil: ‘Thou wisest of the gods, thou hero, How couldst thou, unreasoning, bring on the deluge? On the sinner impose his sin, On the transgressor impose his transgression! (Yet) be lenient, lest he be cut off, Be patient, lest he be dislodged! Instead of they bringing on the deluge, Would that a lion had risen up to diminish mankind! Instead of thy bringing on the deluge, Would that a wolf had risen up to diminish mankind! Instead of thy bringing up the deluge, Would that pestilence had risen up to smite down mankind! It was not I who disclosed the secret of the great gods. I let Atrahasis ('Exceedingly wise,' an epithet of Utnapishtim) see a dream, And he perceived the secret of the gods. Now then take counsel in regard to him!’ Thereupon Enlil went aboard the ship. Holding me by the hand, he took me aboard. He took my wife aboard and made (her) kneel by my side. Standing between us, he touched our foreheads to bless us: ‘Hitherto Utnapishtim has been but human. Henceforth Utnapishtim and his wife shall be like unto us gods. Utnapishtim shall reside far away, at the mouth of the rivers!’ Thus they took me and made me reside far away, At the mouth of the rivers. Translation by E.A. Speiser, in Ancient Near Eastern Texts (Princeton, 1950), pp. 60-72, as reprinted in Isaac Mendelsohn (ed.), Religions of the Ancient Near East, Library of Religion paperbook series (New York, 1955), pp. 100-6; notes by Mendelsohn..

[@dr.elizabethmartin7118]

THANK YOU FOR THE LOVELY MUSIC!!...........................SO FULL OF JOY.

[@alanammann5380]

There are hunter-gatherer cultures today who live just like our ancestors did 10, 20, 100 thousand years ago - no kings, no great monuments, no metallurgy, no writing. But they do make fire, stone tools, art, and jewelry, and have burial rites just like our ancestors in deep pre-history did. And how do we know our ancestors did these things? Because archeologists have found the stuff. Asking why pre-historic humans didn’t more readily invent civilization - which itself is a cluster of inventions like writing and agriculture - is a little like asking why the Greeks didn’t invent calculus despite having mathematics or why the Mayans didn’t invent the wheel despite having roads.

[@Jim-sb7dt]

Very well explained and answer.

[@Skriften]

Very interesting! Many good points/views.

[@Anna-mc3ll]

Thank you for sharing this interesting comment!

[@markwalker6048]

All praises to the Father of light

[@sandijay4]

Very good explanation.

[@nick3720]

The ancient site of Gobekli Tepe is roughly 12,000 years old. There's actually numerous others that are older than 6,000 years.

[@brazilianman92]

again no poetry or written records. Sumeria is the only real deal first civilization. Everything before it is too primal.

[@zackmano]

Having grown up on traditional Jewish Rabbinical texts, I can tell you there is a lot of discussion about the meaning of "time" and the "days" of creation. There are some people who choose to take the days and count of years in a literal sense, but I think anyone who's studied a lot of this literature understands that many of the rabbis were trying to tell us that "time" was not how we perceive it during the creation period, and the 6 days mentioned are not to be taken as literal 24-hour days, but rather as much larger units of time. Part of how they interpret this is because the term "day/יום" was used prior to the creation of the sun and moon... indicating the "day" mentioned is not the same "day" we assume from our current perspective. Bottom line, Jewish tradition is very variegated on this issue and it's not a simple and monolithic "young earth" perspective, though many Jews do accept something like that today. Depends how much you study. 😉🙏💙🔯 Essentially, what the rabbi is saying here is correct: The Jewish count of years since creation etc, is based on counting the generations mentioned in the Torah, from Adam and Eve onward. So basically, it's a count of developed human civilization in a rough general way based on our tradition. Personally, I don't think the Torah was intended as a method of calculating time, but the rabbis did try and that's what they came up with. If anything, the text itself doesn't really clarify time periods or counts of years at all, outside of mentioning genealogies and ages of individuals, so the rabbis used those numbers for calculations. But I think most scholars would agree those type of simplistic calculations aren't expected to be accurate.

[@wrnicholsassociatespc7168]

Gobekli Tepe displays stunning examples of architecture and artwork clearly qualifying as evidence of a “civilization” perhaps even more so than poetry, etc.; arguably “poetry” evidencing advanced cognitive skills in its own right.

[@wrnicholsassociatespc7168]

@@brazilianman92 Gobekli Tepe is a real deal in its own right.

[@savtamarlene]

@@zackmano I rote the following to someone else above: Rabbi Singer mentioned Dr. Gerald Schroeder who has a double PhD and explains this descrepancy of science and Torah with Einstein's theory and black holes. He's written several books on the subject and we've heard him lecture several times. Fascinating. BTW...Dr. Schroeder is a ba'al t'shuva...he was secular when he got his degrees and became Torah observant several years later. My family and I are also ba'alei t'shuva. Some of his books are "Genesis and the Big Bang Theory", "The Science of G-D", "The Face of G-D" and others.

[@rogerevans9666]

Nice to hear this lecture. Thanks for posting because it clarifies a lot of data. My anthropology professor [who did not take Adam and Eve literally] was bothered by the fact that he and other anthropologists believe humans have been around for hundreds of thousands [or even millions] of years [they all believe in evolution and scorn people who believe in a literal Adam and Eve] and yet there is so little to show for this huge span of time except when it comes to the last 5 or 6 thousand years. As the rabbi says, written languages and other parts of culture all seem to begin around 6,000 years ago. There is no evidence of these things having pre-dated about 6,000 years. On the one hand, the professor did not want to abandon his "scientific" beliefs that reduce the Bible to a bunch of myths (academia's favorite four-letter word); on the other hand, he was mystified that evidence of all the elements of what we call civilization only seem to appear about 5 or 6 thousand years ago. The name of the class was "Technology and Culture". According to this professor, prior to about 6,000 years ago, all humans had and produced were sharpened stones and sticks. Then, after millions of years of this extreme primitiveness, all of a sudden, we have written languages, architecture, courts of law, etc.

[@jagnestormskull3178]

"According to this professor, prior to about 6,000 years ago, all humans had and produced were sharpened stones and sticks. Then, after millions of years of this extreme primitiveness, all of a sudden, we have written languages, architecture, courts of law, etc." Because what advances causes our rapid advance out of this stage of primitiveness is writing itself, first in the form of incredibly early Chinese language if I'm not wrong (8400 years ago). Then the royalty got their hands on it...

[@batyaseguin3810]

Excellent. This is exactly how I believe also

[@wodifpv644]

Quote "The earliest signs of a process leading to sedentary culture can be seen in the Levant to as early as 12,000 BC, when the Natufian culture became sedentary; it evolved into an agricultural society by 10,000 BC.[9] The importance of water to safeguard an abundant and stable food supply, due to favourable conditions for hunting, fishing and gathering resources including cereals, provided an initial wide spectrum economy that triggered the creation of permanent villages.[10] The earliest proto-urban settlements with several thousand inhabitants emerged in the Neolithic. The first cities to house several tens of thousands were Memphis and Uruk, by the 31st century BC (see Historical urban community sizes)."

[@jaaykke]

I'm not an expert Wodi, just someone searching for truth, but I wonder if an answer to your comment, and some of the other comments below like Peter Vissers', can be that if the difference between the fossil record and the bible record is a few thousand years only, it's close enough. Meaning, the flood or some other variable can possibly be responsible for the disparity. If it's a 200,000 year disparity this suggestion would not be plausible, but once the dates of the bible and archaeology start getting within striking distance of each other, science is merely off by an acceptable margin, which happens in science all the time.

[@hawkxlr]

@@jaaykke Assuming that the 200,000 age of humanity wasn't true, and that science does date humanity's origins to 12,000ish years ago, that's still double the amount of time outlined in Genesis and is far beyond the margin of error. Scientists are very aware of the shortcomings of different dating methods. For example, Carbon 14 dating can't accurately date marine life; it can only be used on terrestrial life (like humans). As it stands, there are no plausible reasons to believe the dates we currently have are inaccurate (including a potential flood). In fact, there's a lot of evidence suggesting that the current dates we have are the correct ones. These dating methods have been tested by scientists all over the world for many years, and they've withstood all the scrutiny we have thrown at them. Now, I will admit, Tovia Singer is more knowledgeable than most when it comes to science, but scientists do have very good reason to think that humanity's true age is 100,000+ years. We don't see things like writing and permanent settlements until much later because farming hadn't been invented yet. For most of humanity's history, before the invention of agriculture, we foraged and hunted for survival. Because of that, the only reasonable way to survive was in small nomadic settlements. These types of settlements don't tend to leave a trace, except for remnants of tools (which scientists have also discovered). Writing wouldn't be present either since it'd be almost useless in such an environments and had no reason to be invented. I do appreciate Singer's willingness to engage on this topic. He does a far better job than any fundamentalist Christians that I've met, however, it's not a matter of faith that leads scientists to the conclusions they have on our origins; its the tried and true methods that they have spent many lifetimes developing.

[@notsoeasyryder5150]

@@hawkxlr Well said! I agree completely!

[@zamiel3]

If you listen to what he said he refers to when civilization started with a common written word, language, culture, land.

[@wodifpv644]

@@hawkxlr I agree about carbon dating but there is also written timelines of king list and other timelines that all pre date the bible that go back 200000+ years along with dna chromosome showing 200000+ years. The bible is really the only book that contradicts most other histories. Even the tanak's books come from even older writings that have kings list that go back way farther than 4000bc

[@thestonehousefarm1942]

Best explanation I have heard. I was really enjoying learning about Jewish faith and then I started to really doubt because of the 6000 year age of earth and I was like oh mo, I got disappointment and felt let down. The. I listen to this and it makes more since than any history lesson ever. Thanks. I want to learn more

[@scadous90]

I study with Dr Gerald Schroeder in Aish HaTorah in Jerusalem Old city! :)

[@chriskelty1943]

How does it square with the Australian indigenous people who have been estimated to have lived there in tribes for 50,000 years . ?

[@bradleyamor8854]

Consistant with Lord Jonathan Sacks answer to Richard Dawkins when asked about Adam and Eve ,thank you Rabbi.

[@LordOfFeelings]

Shalom Rabbi Tovia! Is it possible that "age" is definition of "ages" more than a concept of measuring time in years? Like in the ancient vedic texts, yuga is an epoch or era within a four-AGE cycle? If I understand correctly from Kabbalistic writings, it conveys a similar thought. There has been much debating about the infinite nature of the cosmos; how can there be a Creator, if the universe has existed without a beginning? How can the Creator be omnipotent, if the universe already existed in its physical form for it would only be a case of manipulating something existant thus removing Creation? My path brings me to see the the cyclical nature (it its four phases) which the last one we are witnessing before the reset. These ages are with limits, beginning & end. The space where all is created might well be limitless in time, but not in the big-bang-hollywood sense of expansion. In my soul I sense the surrounding being a closed system, no USS-enterprise no Captain Kirk flying from an illuminary to another saving alien sweethearts. In fact the "outer space" in its common meaning has not much proof to me at all when dug deep enough. Physical space, planets, dark matter, black holes, gravity are all built on a belief-system that has its base heavily on relativism where nothing is tangible or observable when nullified, and to me it all sounds something you have to believe in for it to exist; much like some religions? Same reason much of this is still a theory. Like evolution. Space in the meaning of a 'place for creation' I understand as a different principle. Finite world created in its space to infinitely start and end in cycles. Good health!

[@sirnunez7923]

Mind blowing , before the sun and stars could be created to give off light , light itself had to be created. Mind blowing.

[@jimmieboswell4700]

any one who, has seen ELOHEEM or Angels knows what That Light is. even as unidentified flying, Angels or ANGELS.

[@zamiel3]

Have you never read the first chapter of Genesis? Why is this mind blowing?

[@geeznation4492]

It was dark. Simple. Then light. You even do not need light to say a word. Glory to The Most High and Almighty.

[@EinSofQuester]

It's called the Big Bang.

[@davidcaldwell4586]

Was the number 13.7 Billion in existence back then, Would that have been comprehendible 5000 years ago. Torah is not a science textbook. The conflict between Torah and science is not worth applying any mental effort to. The time applied to useless questions like this could be put to better use refuting devious Christian missionaries.

[@davidcaldwell4586]

There are like 500,000,000 Hindus? or is it 700,000,000 Hindus? With that much manpower you feel the need to seek a Jewish convert? Come on buddy, don't play those "Christian" games. Leave the seeking of Jewish converts to low life, devious, sleazy, Christian missionaries.

[@yaladal7392]

DS Shakespeare you need to believe in Yeshua then, if you need someone who is not plagarized, repent and be born again, Yeshua is the real deal

[@yaladal7392]

DS Shakespeare our God has always been a God of love ,most times when it seems like he's being evil is when the pharisees misinterpret him and make laws for themselves,the times God ordered the children of israel in the past(this had nothing to do with Christianity though) to kill or annihilate a people was 1- during a time of war and 2- because the evil of those people were too much Atheists always talk about the problem of evil, if there is a God and he is good, why is there evil well here is a case, the canaanites and the amalekites that my muslim brother was complaining of God saying they should be destroyed.....well they worshipped ba'al , the worship of ba'al required frequent festivals that carried out the sacrifice of babies in the most cruel fashion ( heating up the metal statue red hot and dropping the babies in its hand, these babies will sizzle to their deaths in pain,screaming),they would play their drums so loud so that the parents would not hear the screams of their children, this was done regularly, and many more other evil practices...... This is both backed up by christian and non-christain sources to be true Here is a case where God saw evil go on for 100's of years ,gave them time to repent and when they didnt he said enough and sent the children of Israel to kill them, How is such a God evil even by old testament standards, i dont know what you guys want from God, He doesnt interfere ,you say he is evil for letting evil reign and when he does interfere he is evil for killing the people causing the evil the God of the OT is still far more merciful than Allah, and that is also why Jesus came, to give the true direct message and example for all time,to speak the true mind of God, not just for an era but forever

[@yaladal7392]

DS Shakespeare sorry for quoting the Muslim it was from another chat entirely

[@jimmieboswell4700]

The Torah is the history of The World, being repeated again for This Seven Days. that's, what happens when you mentally funk being here in The Torah Physical Dimension is to repeat the grade. and i, shall appear again, in the next Torah Hereafter. same time, same place, same person as all, the previous Torah Cycles. as this current Torah Cycle, is no different than before so far. the only progress this world, has made is backwards toward the flood again.

[@macattali]

VERY INFORMATIVE AND WELL PUT.

[@deborahswartz9321]

The Creation stories in the Mediterranean area are likely referring to the end of the Pleistocene Ice Age 10,000 years ago and the beginning of farming, and about 5000 years ago was the rise of state level societies. Humans were around long before that. But the rabbi is right that the scriptures is not a science book.

[@julielynn86]

Great video.

[@ihsankamil6279]

He's a Christian hater!!!

[@justmeditate98yearsagoedit23]

@@ihsankamil6279 rightly so. Imagine believing that nonsense

[@BarakYisrael]

There is no conflict. The sefer yetzirah explains this perfectly. And also Gerald Schroeder has some decent books explaining the relationship between time andphysics with Torah and time.

[@robertdegroot8302]

The reason civilizations don't go further back than 5000 years is because that's about the time writing was invented. Writing came forth out of the first proto-kingdoms requiring a way to collect and account taxation of farmers (food, not currency). Agriculture was invented about 10.000 years ago. So it would shake the scientific community to its core if we found poetry from 50.000 years ago. Cave paintings of that age make a lot of sense, especially when they portray animals, and humans hunting them. That's exactly what life in pre-agricultural tribes would have revolved around. And remember, it's only with the advent of agriculture that man was finally able to produce enough food to allow its population to exponentially grow, thus leading to the first civilizations. Biology estimates that 100.000 years ago, humanity had dwindled back to just 20.000 individuals, all in East Africa.

[@Elvis3000]

The first 11-12 chapters of Genesis were derived from ancient Sumerian Cuneiform tablets. They were NOT written by Moses or Abraham.

[@wodifpv644]

Agree

[@timothya.olmeda7299]

SPIDAMAN JACKSON Moses is the law giver, and was there when God made a covenant with the children of Israel. Abraham, the father of our faith, was before Moses who came from Mesopotamia, whom spoke the Sumerian language of the land, and it was Abraham whom God told to leave his people and land to an undisclosed part of the world.

[@timothya.olmeda7299]

Scooter McScoots Correct sir. Exodus 24:12 "Then HA'SHEM said to Moses, "Come up to Me on the mountain and be there; and I will give you tablets of stone, and the law and commandments which I HAVE WRITTEN, that you may teach them." Indeed, you can't stump the Torah. Shalom

[@timothya.olmeda7299]

Scooter McScoots I'm also not Jewish. I have separated from the born into belief system in which I had inherited and began to seek truth in the Maker of all things. We, as Gentiles are not bound to the covenant in which God made with the children of Israel. As Gentiles, we are bound to the Seven laws of Noah. The Seven Noachide laws are what was known as the laws of God prior to God's covenant with the children of Israel 3,333 years ago. For we all are descendants of Noah and his family after the Great Flood. Again, a covenant is an agreement with God, and is unconditional and eternal. We as Gentiles can either convert to Judaism, or become Noachide in order to become righteous in God's eyes, through the knowledge of God, repentance, and charity. This is what needs to take place within the nations. And the time for that, is now.

[@DL-rl9bd]

This is exactly what I’ve thought. If humans, as we know them, took millions of years to evolve, and have been in their current biological state for 200,000 years (approx), why is there no written, or clearly documented, evidence of this vast history? ( I am NOT a young earth creationist, Jew, or Christian)

[@andrew9498]

Well. Humans learned a lot of stuff from experience. Now you may disagree on how they got them. Humans who were civilised enough and who learned enough became the people that you are expecting (writing, speaking etc). Now to answer your question (why don't we find written records) just imagine how apes behave. Now let's say an ape has evolved after few generations in such a way that they most of the faculties that we have(vocal chord coordination, larynx muscles etc). Do you expect it to be able to use those faculties immediately? Now language and speaking by itself is much more complex than writing. And to have written records, you not only need them to have a organised language(a set of sounds that specifically represents something). But also an understanding of how to organise a set of drawings that represent each of these codes. There are more than two leaps that needs to take place. Now all those things are pretty hard to achieve, even once you have all the faculties in place. Now without any divine intervention, this process has to take painful long and countless remakes which is exactly what the data says. Now rabbi is right when he says the oldest language is about 5000years . But even then , this says nothing about how long the language was spoken. We have ancient Chinese proto writing go far back about 8600 years. Now in linguistics it is hard to find when a language originated for the first time in a certain area especially an area isolated from other groups . Because we need someone to write that down. Which makes the first language unknowable. All we can do is build models of how languages may arise and hope the archaeology supports it.

[@DL-rl9bd]

Addy F2p Thank you for your thorough and respectful reply. I believe that’s a logical answer. Have you formally studied history of languages or writing? I have not.

[@shadebinder9969]

Why is there no written evidence....before writing was invented 5-6k years ago? As for "clearly documented" again that would require writing....to document. Otherwise we have to work with archaelogical finds of human creations/settlements. There are plenty of tools, pots, settlements, even some ancient cities which help document the rise of civilization. Cave paintings. The shigir idol. The schoningen spears. You can easily google all of this. It it as good as a history book? Hardly, we're working with leftovers from thousands of years ago.

[@mikev4621]

You are forgetting the Ice Ages

[@Domino-bo4kh]

@@shadebinder9969 I think the point is- if man has been alive on earth 100,000+ years, why did it take so long to invent writing? Surely it would have been invented way before 5-6k yrs ago! And then is it just coincidence that the 5-6k yrs coincides with the Bible's date for man's creation?

[@TheNickpatterson]

Love ya Tovia, but probably should have just said “i dont know, im not sure” to answer this one. Talked yourself in circles and got all tangled up 😂

[@savtamarlene]

Your puny finite mind can’t begin to grasp HaShem’s Infiniteness, Eternalness. He Made us less than Himself so that we Can Not comprehend Him. All of us puny humans are in the same boat. So how can Rabbi Singer explain the unexplainable? That was the problem with Gan Eden…He Warned Adam NOT to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil because we weren’t supposed to understand. He Wants us to have emuna/faith and bitachon/trust that what He Does is all good. Even if we don’t like it or comprehend it…if it’s painful or makes us very said…He Is Perfect and He Makes NO mistakes. It’s what our neshamas/souls need. Everything is tailor made for each one of us. So in your human finite brain it seems like the brilliant rabbi talked in circles and got tangled up…but that only your human perception.

[@samuelbenitez4200]

That's why i say that the torah is a historical document , the torah is factual truth .

[@timothya.olmeda7299]

The further development of our understanding of the creator, is continuing our interest, in knowing our creator, establishing, honing in on our proper relationship with the G-d of Israel. All glory goes to the creator.

[@jeromeelster803]

Unless he talks back, it's not a dialogue, it's a MONOLOGUE... NOT a relationship!!! Lol.

[@timothya.olmeda7299]

Jerome Elster You actually believe that having a relationship with God is one dimensional? There are many ways to achieve a proper relationship with the God of Israel, once you gain the knowledge of HASHEM and repent, just as there are many ways that HASHEM COMMUNICATES with all that He has made. Because you lack knowledge of the God of Israel, only then would you make such a comment. When establishing a proper relationship with HASHEM, you begin to become more aware of His mighty presence, recognizing HASHEM and His ways even more so than ever before establishing a proper relationship with God. Because everyone has a relationship with God at some level, even when there are those who deny God. HASHEM is aware of everyone's heart and just because you have yet to gain access of the knowledge of God, He then will judge you based on your intentions. That's why it's important to seek God with all of your heart and with all of your soul, now whilst you are in the flesh, so that if you are a sinner, (we all have sinned) you have the chance to turn from your ways and live. And again, you will absolutely retain a proper relationship with God, which is important to establish before being judged in the heavenly court. Return to God all you ends of the earth! Shalom

[@jeromeelster803]

@@timothya.olmeda7299 HOW does he communicate in this relationship?? "Fuzzy feelings" and our happening to find a pattern or some "meaning" in a "sign" we were already looking for??

[@jeromeelster803]

@@timothya.olmeda7299 I agree that christianity was completely fabricated based on the new testament and it's many anonymous author's hijacking and rape of the Jewish scriptures...how I wish christians would just see for themselves, but they wont!! Which is the only way anyone who believes in such vile, absurd nonsense- by NOT BOTHERING TO LOOK INTO IT. Remaining wilfully ignorant of what they claim is sooo important to them- THE TRUTH!!! But they want TRUTH only if it agrees with what they already WANT to believe!!! The evidence to PROVE christianity a lie is right there in the tenak, and also EVERYWHERE in the bible itself, IF only they have the courage to look!! I'll say the same for muslim's misguided belief in islam, the quran, allah and their pedophile non-prophet, mohammad!! The SAME IS TRUE of the Jewish scriptures and a belief in hashem, the cruel, jealous, insecure, (and thankfully NON EXISTENT) god of Israel...

[@timothya.olmeda7299]

Jerome Elster Honestly, only you can apprehend what the Creator is conveying to you in your time of need. We all have, for the most part, our own timelines with respect to what we may need from God, which is absolutely in tune with the type of relationship you may have with God. At the moment, we all collectively, are in need of a wake up call, which is based on your relationship with God, such as truly achieved from gaining knowledge of God, repentance and from your charitable heart. These three things, which is important to God and eventually to us as well, opens the doors to the calling and instruction of God, depending on our loyalty and understanding of the word of God, which ultimately shapes us and molds us into what is pleasing to God. For instance, I can only speak for myself, in that, I have been preparing myself from gaining knowledge of God, the way God intended us to gain this knowledge, which is from ordained priests from God, whom which He has ordained Himself, and from the Jewish faithful, a remnant that has always existed, which retains the word of God faithfully. This is very important. And not many individuals know about this knowledge, or understanding. This is valuable information, that is key to unlocking the knowledge of God. And you will know it to be true because they do not have a deceitful tongue in their mouths. They are faithful to God. God writes His truth on our hearts, which is implanted in our souls forever, which in turn , intuitively is also connected to our mind, but the mind must be cleansed through gaining knowledge of God, through repentance, which allows us to be charitable without seeking gain from it, and ultimately starts the process of a proper relationship with God, which is not only whilst in the flesh, but also in the world to come, because it is eternal. Shalom

[@notsoeasyryder5150]

Can you explain how genesis states God created all the vegetation on day three, yet the sun (without which there would be no vegetation), was not created until day four? This is not science. This is mythology.

[@brazilianman92]

Saturn was the sun in the ancient age. Do your research bud.

[@luigilacolla5239]

@@brazilianman92 hahaha no

[@room7594]

I can grow vegetation in my basement with no sun. Light is needed not the sun. I’m not an expert but that seems obvious.

[@luigilacolla5239]

@@room7594 The light that you use is generated ultimately because there is a sun. If one believes there is a god then he can do anything. He can also make it appear that something is true when it is not. All this speculation regarding genesis is wasted effort. It’s not unlike debating about the number of angels that can dance in the head of a pin or the transubstantiation of the Eucharist. If one asks a question to which there is no way to discern an answer, then the question was essential useless. It’s especially useless if one wants to entertain ideas of divine intervention.

[@room7594]

@@luigilacolla5239 Did you read Torah? Light was created before the sun.

[@anthonyshannon6744]

If you deal with biblical chronology, then the pyramids in Egypt were being build during the flood without impediment. I wish religious leaders would stick with faith and mythos and leave science alone. Faith and mythos have a place but it's not in the field of science

[@rogerevans9666]

Christians are often challenged by non-religious people concerning Methuselah. How do you rabbis respond to the Methuselah Argument?

[@lourak613]

Given your preface with an admission of your not being an expert in quantum mechanics and other esoteric areas in physics - I think you did a very admiral job in addressing these sticky questions. (Though it seems to me that you know more about these matters than you claim...).

[@yahya2925]

The Quranic word for "day" in the creation instance simply means a VERY.. VERY long period of time. Not a literal day. The Qur'an has never been in conflict with science.

[@markm928]

GREAT POINTS

[@markwalker8727]

I'm thankful for the jewish ✡ writing Very helpful I believe the geneololgies in genesis and chronicles

[@SaraLuna1993]

I am glad you answered this question. I struggled a lot with it. I became atheist because there were so many questions. Now this helps!

[@jamescobrien]

Are you still an atheist?

[@SaraLuna1993]

@@jamescobrien No. But I still have doubts and right now I struggle to have a connection with god. I guess it takes time.

[@neiljohnson7914]

@@SaraLuna1993 I have written a novel called Shards Of Divinities that addresses these questions. It starts with the life of Abraham. May Hashem bless you with wisdom..

[@donaldcharlton3480]

For this "great" teacher to say he doesn't know what the age of the world is kind of startling. Genesis 1 says "In the beginning , God created the heavens and the earth . The earth was without form and void , and darkness was over the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. And God said , Let there be light ," and there was light . And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day , and the darkness he called Night . And there was evening and there was morning , the first day . " God created everything in six days , established time , and rested on the seventh day to give man times and seasons. Does he believe God or is he trying to believe men and the false creation view . How can he put men's thoughts above God's Sovereignty ? If he is so wrong on the subject of creation , which is a faith issue , how can people be so sure he is right on the issue of Jesus the true Messiah.

[@mohamedrahaman9238]

Peace be upon you. Much respect to Rabbi Tovia Singer. If I may add...i believe in the Holy Qur'an where it says that the universe was created in 6 days, wherein a day is like 50,000 years by "Your reckoning" (actually meaning too long for us to comprehend, so it could be over a billion years). The Qur'an also says that the universe is ever expanding and it gives a description of the "big bang" where the gaseous masses came together and exploded.

[@Elvis3000]

Now your getting it Tovia!!!

[@jakobjess3903]

Rabbi, you are off on the science here Tovia. it always sounds like how xtians sound when talking about talmud, when frum people talk about science. we do have cave paintings that are way way way older than what you are saying. do you not know this? can't you just say that G-d made the universe and we don't totally know how "scientifically" it happened, but the torah is not interested that. you are using evolution like it means we should not have this or that species, or that we should writings things of art, buildings, etc dating back from that time. rav we didn't have parlor music till a hundred years ago, come on! real talk, we don't know how long we've been here. it does not change how I feel about Hashem or the torah. you said it your self it's not a science or a history book. yes I believe that millions of years ago, we i.e. man left "the garden" and there is evidence of art and buildings and things that show a transition from being man the primate and man the person you look in the mirror at. why is this so hard for people?

[@borisibragimov3411]

jakob jess Rabbi did say that when you measure the material on which and with which early humans created art you get high numbers. But that doesn't prove the age of when those "prehistoric" arts were created.

[@mrpresidentbarry]

excellent, bro.!😃😎😬

[@brazilianman92]

Nah whatever was before sumeria was too primal to be seen as us.

[@filco755]

What does the Rabbi think of Gobekli Tepe or Karahan Tepe in Turkey and it's dating?

[@interstategar]

I'm from NJ and science says the Native Americans have been in this area for 10K years and they crossed over land from Asia and worked their way south from present day Alaska south to present day South America. These people worshiped the sun and stars, and the great spirit that gace them the bounty from seeds and animals to eat, and fresh water to drink. The difference is they weren't the chosen people by God. The think the Torah is meant to describe human history as it relates to people and their relations to them worshiping God, the creator of our universe.

[@dreznik]

Rabbi Tovia you are brilliant in so many ways, but we cannot argue against observation-based, slowly-progressing, peer-reviewed science. I live in South America. Our local natives have been around for at least 20-30 thousand yrs. I am sorry to break this to you, since you are a well-meaning believing learned man. However the Torah is a byproduct of the rather primitive scientific/geographic understanding of the bronze-age, even if penned by very talented and learned men of the time. At some point you have to have the courage to face the unthinkable. That the Torah is a human produced document and that we Jews have developed a cult around it. The torah is portable (good when you're on the run), develops young kids' minds, but in the end what is it? A document written and edited hundreds of time over centuries by many people.

[@646oleg]

ancients said they were humans with tails

[@jared5684]

Did you oversee the writing of the Torah or something?

[@whreREtjk4ko]

>HURR you weren't there! Neither was the (human) writer of the Torah.

[@JustMe-ir8dl]

Where are the other editions of the Torah? Jews all over the world have the same document to the LETTER. Who would have made up these stories and laws? Who would have a forced it upon the Jewish people who have done so much to keep it? If Jews were able to resist all others attempts to change their tradition against so many and variable odds then my would they blindly accept some nonsense written by people as divine?

[@JustMe-ir8dl]

By the way you seem like an intelligent person so please respond. I would to have a chat with you about this subject.

[@brucestein988]

This is a suggestion for thought for everyone. Why 6 or so thousand years ago? Listening to the Rabbi, it occurred to be that the difference between the world before and the world after that time (or thereabouts) is the difference between the knowledge of good and evil, e.g. Adam and Eve, the apple and so on. Animals in their natural world often show behaviors that we think of as good and loving, especially for their young and “tribe” members, but also seem to have behaviors, especially toward others that are not of their “tribe” less so, or even sometimes of their own “tribe” who do not “fit in” and particularly others who were competing for scarce survival resources (e.g. food). Survival of the fittest appears to be the best explanation. But somewhere several thousand years ago, (well discussed in the video) something changed. It seems to me that concepts of “good” and “evil” that applied to all human actions appeared. For me, at least, this is the key difference of what went before what went before and what went after and allowed true humanity and human civilizations to arise.

[@gurudandasana]

Rabbi, thank you. You have helped understand what I always thought concerning christians. If you could acknowledge the ancient sumarian and babylonian influence on Abraham ( of blessed memory) and the area in which he grew up? Do stories like the enuma elish, gilgamesh, astrahasis have any impact on your theology and what do you think of this multi god system with similar stories to noah and the fall of the angles... Thank you again so much for your work and passion for the truth.

[@Perspectivemapper]

🗿Gobekli Tepe contradicts the Torah timeline it seems to me.

[@jacquelinemoon2570]

Yes but isn’t the answer to the question about why we don’t have anything written down before 5000 years ago just that writing hadn’t been invented yet?

[@user-sb1li6of2h]

Hi, rabbi means all kind of culture signs should have appeared, if we were the same men

[@Domino-bo4kh]

Excellent point about complete lack of written documentation for 1,000s of years of man's supposed history.

[@eugenialesiuk1189]

Torah is for teaching and i have not based my life on science although i have found it interesting. Science has theories and that means an educated guess.Todah Rabbi.

[@adellaadams8018]

Science has proven Laws. The Laws of Relativity are proven. This is where you have billions of years outside the universe for one day in this universe.

[@danewheeler]

A Theory in Science is not an educated guess. A Theory is a model (whether physical, mathematical, or conceptual) of predictive capability. This is to say that if the model between A and B is accurate then we can predict C as a result. Cell theory is not just a guess, we can literally see the cells that make you up. Systems theory is not just a guess, you use it to write to others online and this video being seen by us both is evidence that systems theory is accurate. The germ theory of disease is not a guess, gravitational theory is not a guess, evolutionary theory is not a guess. These are models of predictive capability. A scientific theory provides a framework/model which explains all available data and laws about a given subject and must be able to make predictions.

[@willscholten1737]

Rabbi Tovia; Can I ask you a simple question? According to scriptures, does the sun move around the earth, or does the earth move around the sun? Globe earth, or is their a hard dome over the earth??

[@jimmieboswell4700]

the earth spirals around the sun spiraling, the universe. all time, is based on a linear rotational spiral.

[@JoshRosenImpressions]

Will Scholten sun moves not the earth. And yes we are covered by a dome in which the sun moon and stars revolve around us!

[@cowdyimammurrahtabari973]

@@JoshRosenImpressions Nope. Geocentrism could be true. But no way flat earth theory is true.

[@shadebinder9969]

@@cowdyimammurrahtabari973 geocentrism can't be true either

[@mosheg112]

Based on those six days we keep the sabbath today - therefore the time period must necessarily be a day - 24 hour period as we measure it. This is the teaching we know of one day that teaches us that six of these day periods are followed by the sabbath. But when the first man was created he was a grown adult. Yet he was only one day old -the trees,likewise, were completely developed decades or centuries old in physiological age - the earth, as well, was completely formed as a planet that had undergone perhaps millions of years of formation ,but, in actuality was only one day old - thus the universe was completed in actually just six days Via possibly an accelerated time . Time, according to the latest physics of relativity proposed by Einstein, is actually not a constant in the universe, but rather it speeds up or slows down depending on the speed of the object traveling . Therefore, from the perspective of a swiftly moving and expanding universe, during which 24 hours accomplished significant creative processes , was , from the perspective of an outside observer - who observed the results that had occurred, but out side of the fast moving action of creation , that observer could experience a much longer and more significant amount of time passing. - We must therefore keep the sabbath after six such 24 hour periods, and there would be no contradiction between the two time differences. One is a measurement of time during enormous speed which is slower and the other is the observation outside of that speed which his faster

[@janishart5128]

Interesting answer - sounds logical! I seem to remember a teaching that Eve became pregnant and gave birth on the same day, so that would be another example of accelerated time. .

[@joehinojosa24]

" And it became evening then morning "= 15000000000 Years?

[@biblereadingoutreach2284]

Exodus 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for 👉in six days the LORD made heaven and earth👈, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

[@zamiel3]

You are pointing to something like it is a definitive answer. "Day" is used as a "period of time" in several places throughout the Bible. Not a specific time period. I'm not sure what you were hoping to say by pointing to that passage.

[@tonyrhineheimer6556]

Why does God have to rest. He shouldn't get tired.

[@jbtex784]

I'm an evangelical and I study a lot of materiel from scientists who are Bible believing Christians and they show that the Torah is true! It's only been a few thousand years since Adam and Eve; scientists today get the long ages by using assumptions built into their mathematical calculations.

[@Yehonatan613]

True. They work with assumptions that the rate of decay was always at a constant, something that actually theres plenty of reason to believe isnt true. Which throws that method of dating out the window bc it relies on unknowable assumptions and might give us numbers that are astronimcally off.

[@kellyziklo6878]

Thank u Rabbi your helping me w my struggle. GOD BLESS U. I only want truth, your right, it is delicious like honey. Life changing & mind blowing . What happens to a nation using wrong measurements, for truth? King James Bible? I cant stop thinking about Ninevah or the story of Jonah.

[@johnmanuel2666]

What is your take on Adam created in the Garden of Eden located in Ophir now Philippines ?

[@thomasrivera8626]

HAHAHAHA "How long this has been around, this mjmmm this" -Tovia Singers 18:31

[@dramsaysteele]

No mention of glaciation, the ice age. Most land was covered by thick ice sheets until about 12,000 years ago. The ice sheets had lasted for over 100,000 years. As soon as the ice melted, we get plenty of evidence of distinctively human activity. There are certainly poems and other writings in the period from 12,000 years ago to 6,000 years ago, in the time of the Sumerians. Incompatible with literal Torah.

[@shadebinder9969]

There's human evidence and remains from hundreds of thousands of years ago and during the ice age too yknow. Also no the Sumerians invented writing about 5400 years ago. That's why there's no poems. Kind of need writing first to invent poems. Like how for thousands/hundreds of thousands of years people didn't make even the simplest video games. Kind of have some prerequisites to invent those.... Edit-actually this is wrong its believed that poetry predates written form. But the point still stands that we can't have written evidence before writing.

[@nutzhazel]

The flood story of Noah itself was of the Last Ice Age. Remember, Noah preached for almost 950 years, and the Ark he built took decades as he need to gather enough wood to make it. And was told to make the Ark long before the flood appeared. The flood didn't come out of nowhere, it was climate change and the retreat of the last age that affected the region where Noah was at that time. That's why the flood story all came from nothern hemisfera myth but not southern.

[@nutzhazel]

And, even today we can see how a day can be longer than 24 hours especially in the northern or southern most region, compared to the tropical regions. The concept of 24 hours as a day, and the calculation of 365 days a year is pretty much modern invention to synchronised world time and zones. Old civilization mostly use lunar calenders as they depend on location of moon and stars to determine the certain time of the month and for navigational purpose.

[@reymeza2707]

In those 194.000 nothing happened because we were hunters. We hadn´t time to do something interesting apart music, clothes, arms and ships. After agriculture appeared we had time to build, count, write.

[@QueenLiliTheRed]

rey meza neanderthals were the hunters and genetically built for it and interbred with what you call modern humans they have neanderthal cave findings in iraq they faded away because they mated into some modern people

[@KISEwun]

I only wish you could understand how ridiculous this statement is.

[@mikev4621]

@@KISEwun not when you consider how unbelievably cold it was for tens of thousands of years.

[@nanachlittleshell4350]

Here is a playlist of Dr Schroeder on creation. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nYPbdph-e62WY7s It is fantastic if you understand physics.

[@bluegrassproject]

+Johnny Pompadour very nice, thank you a lot!

[@ettisilverstein5972]

Australia has talent

[@thelordjesusisyhwh7305]

I’m sorry rabbi but it’s wrong it says “ in the beginning god created the heavens and the earth.” Then he says let there be light ( he turn on the sun ) and then directly after he says “now the earth was formless and covered in darkness and GOD’S SPIRIT WAS HOVERING OVER THE WATER” so he already created the universe but then he designed the earth in six days .... ( on the forth day god allowed the light to get to our planet ( through the atmosphere which was filled with dark clouds in the beginning ) ) simple !!

[@kellyziklo6878]

What is he Torah's position on vaccine shots? What is the Torah position on vaccine companies not being able to be held accountable for harming people?

[@bertzumoff7530]

U.S. govt has a fund to compensate those injured by vaccine. If companies were liable, they would no longer be in the vaccine business.

[@planetruther]

@@bertzumoff7530 sorry but that's the dumbest explanation I've heard. The government fund is made up to tax dollars. So everyday citizens are paying for the liability of a private business? How is that ethical?

[@sasquatch1554]

I’m sure there was lots of poetry 12,000 to 100,000 years ago but it was shared by spoken language. There just wasn’t a need for writing. When people are content there’s not much forward movement. Our need for wanting more and more is a modern problem not a prehistoric one. With that being said, there is plenty of cave art with some dating older than 50,000 years.

[@jauhueitang6879]

The most ancient civilization is Sumerian, which is dated back 7500 years ago.

[@BrianNeil]

Gobekli Tepe blows this kind of nonsense right out of the water.

[@leondesaintaubyn3319]

Listening to the house of JUDAH And ISRAEL Is like been given food to eat and water to drink LIKE FLOWING LIVING WATERS DECLARES THY LORD THOU ONE TRUE GOD

[@melchiel4413]

As a Noahide I prefer a young Earth Creationist model, as it's my faith I believe it despite the evidence against it. However, those struggling with believing in a G-d in the first place, let me try to help (with all due respect, sometimes people do nice things but it comes off as still containing an insult). If energy is in infinite regress along with cause and effect (not the principle of causality, just the colloquial idea that things that happen need things before them to have happened in order for them to happen) since the first principle of thermodynamics states that energy in a closed system cannot be created or destroyed, and as all the energy in existence is a closed system by definition, meaning that energy is in infinite regress with no beginning, and that cause and effect are also in infinite regress since tracing a cause would need a cause before it at all levels. The point I am trying to get across is that given these two facts, the universe would have produced a mind (as we know it can produce those) that can control the entire universe. There is no such evidence for the existence of such a mind, meaning one of two things. Either the two are not in infinite regress together, and thus were created at a specific time, or they were joined by choice at a specific time since to change two eternal stable natures takes a choice. In all three of these cases there would be a G-d.

[@reymeza2707]

Jericho? Mayans? Clovis? Göbekli Tepe?

[@royescareno1176]

Isaiah 40:22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth ... Not round or a sphere. Rabbi is that a mis translation, sir??

[@nitpoon7982]

I wonder what your opinion of the firmament Dome is? and do you believe from a Biblical standpoint that the Earth is flat? because it would seem kind of hard to put a dome over a sphere the way it is described in Genesis

[@mrwhite1477]

The Zohar, clearly state's: The entire world and thouse upon it spin around in a circle like a big ball . So if you believe Ur own Torah. well it's flat, not round

[@pawelhuszcza9611]

+nitpoon Do you know what "poetic language mean" ?

[@mrwhite1477]

encyclopedia Hebraica, Entry Eratosthenes, page 801

[@nitpoon7982]

+Anthony Glostas yeah but scripture also describes the pillars of the Earth being solid in the Earth does not move

[@nitpoon7982]

+Pawel Huszcza my question is pretty obvious so that's the topic of this conversation if you care to bring anything of intellectual value to it

[@nathanyahuyisrael1352]

I had a man on here tell me the earth was flat.I ask him the same question I think any person would.. I ask him how it changed his life? These people think about things that have no effect on their lives. It makes no matter to me at all about a flat planet,by him saying that statement to me had absolutely no effect at all on my life. I was in an earth quake in Puli Taiwan and it changed my life as far as causing a big mess and the fact that I had to clean it up.This wasn't the first earthquake I had been,so I think this has much to do with the way we perceive and assimilate information.Something that happened in my life that was a paradigm shift,that changed my world view is what The Rabbi is teaching,this is why his teaching in so important,as what he is teaching is "World Changing" information.

[@JoshRosenImpressions]

nathanyahu yisrael actually the flat circular and stationary earth changed everything for me because it showed that Genesis creation account was true. The earth is the motionless center of the universe; the dome above us is real and the sun moon and stars all revolve around us for signs and seasons. It’s all right in Genesis. We were led astray by NASA and scientists who couldn’t accept creation into thinking we live on a spinning rock flying through space. It’s all a deception. so the flat earth led me right to GOD! And it’s not about the shape it’s about realizing this place was created and we are the center of it all

[@zamiel3]

It's NOT world changing to say he doesn't know how old the earth is and he ignores anything before standardized writings and cities.

[@Chello_da_Great]

@Tovia Singer, literally how would any DAYS pass on days 1-3 without a moon? It’s apparent that the authors were writing from common knowledge of “days.” So I’m not sure how any “days” could pass instead of just one long day. That’s definitely in my opinion a major conflict to the literal application of scripture.

[@berts558]

Rabbi with the utmost respect, this is just my opinion as I'm sure you're already aware I think the age of the calendar might be the age of monotheism, the amount of time that humans have known that there is only one God that for me is the essence the context of being Jewish Baruch hashem

[@naser1109]

Six days as in six periods or stages. Not six days as in the earth Rotation. You also did not mention that we don’t know the length of Adam life while he was in heavens.

[@biblereadingoutreach2284]

(Exodus 20:8-11) "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. {9} Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: {10} But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: {11} 👉For in six days 👈the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

[@moviehits777]

Then why rest on sabbath if you don't really know how many days actually God worked

[@dr.elizabethmartin7118]

MUCH LOVE< Rabbi Tovia! THE AGE OF THE UNIVERSE - I never worried much about this issue - BUT you have enlightened me about the LIGHT of Torah again - The "Days" are cosmological, not man's mathematical days. The "days" of humans - not Lucy, Denosivans, apes,Chinese, the rest of us, etc.....NOT SO LONG AGO!! Even here in America the ancient carvings of the Native Americans is a thousand, 1500 years........but who really knows? WE are very recent, that's for sure! Thank-you!

[@zilpah9890]

Check out Eric dubay, " Dinasours never existed"

[@shineyourlight9036]

what is time anyhow

[@cherylconway749]

Yitzak of akko worked out through Torah that the universe was around 15.3 billion years old I'll go with that

[@RPW2012]

1 hour on the moon equals 7 years. So 6 million earth years would be 367,920,000 years calculated from the moon. So….how much further from the earth would time be measured…ie…from say the Orion belt?

[@RPW2012]

7 earth years

[@deborahswartz9321]

Anatomically modern humans have been on Earth for about 200,000 years, with prehumans going back 4 million years. The book of Genesis is a fairly close reflection of the end of a different geological era, and the beginning of history and civilizations.

[@user-qz3rd7oy9h]

there r some issues w ur interpretations. first, u say that humanbeings w the ability to do things like art and other creative abilities have been around for less then 6000 yrs. but there r cities under coastlines which have been submerged for +10000 yrs. the science community continues to ignore these but they r there.

[@zakiadam3717]

bible and Torah have been ascribed again and again by different authors with slight modifications according to their understanding, 6 days is meant to be 6 periods of time it can be 5 billion years for each day, and the day of judgement will be after 5 billions years after Adam descendant to earth.

[@ElCineHefe]

Without a sun, how long is a day?

[@albertobenzadon1609]

Please don't confuse speculative science with real science. Show me one single scientific proof that the age of the world is older than 6000 years, without assuming speculative data.

[@k.g.r.2682]

He's on to something, but he needs to read Hugh Ross, astronomy professor, to understand what he's grasping for.

[@akivadavidmiller489]

What about Rambam asserting that the universe is geocentric? My Lubavitcher friends insist that Rambam was right and the sun revolves around the earth?

[@wodifpv644]

Need your opinion on these post and quotes I just posted on buildings and text and other antiques that date far before 6000 years ago

[@garyhundsrucker7771]

Yeah.Those microfossils didnt leave very good records did they?!But just by being here they told us life started long long ago .6,000 years would be marked wrong on a test for the answer to that question.

[@neiljohnson7914]

Human beings, in our present biological form, have been on Earth far far longer than 6000 years. Tovia is completely off base on this. Six thousand years is the age of recorded history. it's when written language was created. Tovia mentions as evidence for a 6000-year-old humanity that the most ancient civilizations are less than 6000 years old. But this is circular reasoning. The Torah dates Adam and Eve to 6000 years ago because writing was invented 6000 years ago. He asks where's the poetry from before 6000 years ago. But there is no poetry from that time because writing hadn't been created yet. That does not mean human beings in their current biological form did not yet exist. Is Tovia referring to biology or culture? If we had poetry from 15,000 years ago then I guarantee you the Torah would have indicated a 15,000 year age for the creation of Adam. Tovia's faulty reasoning can be used to indicate human beings, in their present form, were created during the industrial evolution. How is it possible for human beings, in our present form, to have created technology only in the last 150 years but before that there is nothing. Is it plausible to believe that for thousands of years we didn't even know anything about electricity and were still using horses for travel, but suddenly about 150 years ago, technology appeared. This is not plausible. Clearly human beings, in our present form, are only about 150 years old.

[@EinSofQuester]

I don't agree with you Rabbi about the age of humans like us. Do you really think that as soon as humans in our present form existed that writing would be developed and civilisations would be created instantly? Look at how long it took the industrial revolution to happen? Even if humanity is only 5700 years old, why did the industrial revolution, the airplane, the automobile, the electric motor, the camera etc... only appear in the 19th century and later? It's the same with writing. Even if humanity is far older than 5700 years, it would take a long time for writing to appear, and for civilizations to appear, etc..

[@cherylconway749]

A DM are many identities

[@ckotty]

Greetings, I deeply respect you and your work. There are cave paintings of extraordinary artistic quality that have been carbon dated to over 30.000 years. Some food for thought I believe. Many thanks for your work and efforts, really appreciated. 👍🏽😘