(TOWER) "Is there a problem?" Flight crew SLOW to respond. Takeoff clearance. Farnborough 4 Nov 2024

[@-AV8R-]

Don't call ready for departure if you're not ready. They may have aircraft on final and are expecting a normal departure without this excessive delay.

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@-AV8R yes you’re right - it isn’t very clear on the footage but Tower advise the a/c just as it starts to roll, that there is a landing aircraft on 6 mile finals ….

[@RogerEvans-dx4cs]

Absolutely right, if you acknowledge, " cleared for take- off " it's time to go.

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@@RogerEvans-dx4csyes - I film at LHR on another yt channel. Tower would have cancelled the clearance in half that time 😂

[@justsmy5677]

I suspect the crew was ready for takeoff when they called ready...then a small issue arose and they wanted to (rightly) resolve the issue before taking off. The crew was probably confident that safety was not an issue and it could be resolved quickly. The captain is the aircraft commander and the jet does not move unless he is ready...regardless of normal timing/spacing/pacing. If there was a major conflict, ATC, the captain or both could have and would have cancelled the takeoff clearance.

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@@justsmy5677that sounds like a good explanation! 👍

[@miketarrant7112]

At LAX if a plane took that long to roll after takeoff clearance the clearance would be cancelled and the aircraft instructed to taxi off the runway. When you say you’re ready, be ready. Not halfway through your takeoff checklist.

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@miketarrant7112 Hi Mike yes - it was a very long delay wasn’t it, which was what interested me as to possible reasons. Thanks for commenting. All the best Steve

[@AceSterTheMace]

Good thing it wasn't LAX 😮😅

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@@AceSterTheMace😂 yes absolutely!

[@BeechSportBill]

No flaps?

[@minitrundle]

My guess would be they agreed to depart from F1 without a backtrack without actually doing the calculations. Therefore slowly making their line up whilst they run through some figures. 2:25 You can see the FO with some paperwork of some sort.

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@minitrundle. Great deductive skills - thank you. That makes good sense!

[@pilotjonno5789]

@@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or I was FO on that flight. As one of the replies below mentions, it was a training flight. There were two training captains and me. From memory the delay was due to being meticulous with the line-up checks and in particular an explanation of the gust-lock release which differed from the E145 simulator at CAE where I’d done my training and the Legacy operated by my company. This was my first flight in this particular plane. Hope that’s helpful. It’s a great video and I would love a clean copy if possible.

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@@pilotjonno5789Hi Jon - thank you for clearing up that mystery!😂 If you email me on [e-mail] (no dots between aviation and Heathrow) I can wefiletransfer a clean copy to you. Cheers. Steve

[@KuostA]

@@pilotjonno5789 did the CA's not care about the fact that you guys were already given an explicit takeoff clearance? I'm genuinely wondering this. Why report ready for T/O when you guys still had to do lineup checks and explanations etc?

[@pilotjonno5789]

@ line up checks are only done when entering the runway. We had checks complete to that point. It was a training flight so things were deliberately slow. The controller knew this as our callsign suffix was Tango. Where the controllers get cross is if an aircraft calls ready and actually isn’t - plenty of KZbin examples of this. Farnborough isn’t a busy airport so they were relaxed. The reason they asked us if all was ok was that there was an aircraft joining the approach. So they had the option to cancel our clearance if we weren’t already rolling. Another small point: you never report ready for Takeoff, always “Departure” … if you watch any of the air accident investigation programmes on the Tenerife disaster you’ll see why.

[@robav8or]

There is no time limit requirement to depart when cleared for takeoff. The only exception might be if the controller states “Cleared for immediate takeoff”.

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@robav8or - it’s not very clear on the film but after the tower had reconfirmed the takeoff, just as the a/c starts rolling, tower advise there is landing traffic 6 miles- so I think if they had delayed much longer there would have been problems!

[@robav8or]

@ 6 miles for a jet with an approximate approach speed of 2 miles/minute is quite a long time. Even more if the traffic is a small GA aircraft.

[@nightwaves3203]

An IFR clearance is for a specific time and not earlier. Then there is is questions are going on it's a distraction, so you have to finish whatever distraction before proceeding with takeoff. Tower isn't flying the plane no matter how much he might think he is.

[@davedempster7658]

Tower DOES have to control traffic inbound to that runway!

[@LMays-cu2hp]

Thank you for sharing this take off. Yes, thst cockpit was clearing up matters there. Glad they did not loose their flight selection.

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@LMays-cu2hp thanks a lot - yes I think the Tower weren’t sure what was going on at one point!

[@LMays-cu2hp]

You are welcome. ☺

[@LMays-cu2hp]

Yes, one of the things that comes to mind is going over departure procedures between the two pilots. schedule. And looking at the flight departure schedule.

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@@LMays-cu2hpGreat insight - thank you! ✈️

[@arthurgabriel5709]

happy new year steve

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@arthurgabriel5709 And a Happy New Year to you as well my friend. Hope it’s a good one for you. Best wishes from Steve

[@arthurgabriel5709]

@@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or today heathrow had a340 from qatar

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@@arthurgabriel5709very nice too! Rare catch!

[@arthurgabriel5709]

@@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or What day will you come back and record in 2025?

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@@arthurgabriel5709 🤔I’m aiming to make at least one visit in January - in the next couple of weeks - and FAB later this week! ✈️👏👏

[@CaptainReverendo]

The tango in saltaire 1t tells you it’s a training flight. Nothing to see here.

[@clydedonaldson7369]

Clearly a case of the flight crew trying to play catch up with the checklists. I note that the control checks were being conducted during taxing to the active runway and that the aircraft was otherwise properly configured.

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@clydedonaldson7369 I think that’s exactly it! 👍

[@kerrysupporter]

Nice plane. How many passengers does that carry?

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@kerrysupporter Hi Kerry it holds 16 pax in VIP configuration! ❤️

[@gavincopus8913]

looks like a crew check flight to me, nothing unusual, look at the flight track, it went to Cardiff for touch and goes, classic crew training, nothing to see here.

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@@gavincopus8913 Hi Gavin - yes - but unusual for the tower to ask if there was a problem - that’s what interested me. Never seen an a/c at FAB sitting on the active runway so long after being cleared for takeoff.

[@kennyc388]

Finishing up their last martini ?

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@kennyc388 🍸hic 🤣

[@ianstewartaviation2634]

Interesting 🤔

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@ianstewartaviation2634 yes really weird isn’t it! Cheers Ian.

[@kathleenmcdonald6641]

Gorgeous~

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@kathleenmcdonald6641 it’s a smart looking livery isn’t it? 😍

[@kathleenmcdonald6641]

@@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or Indeed she is.

[@thomengel9720]

Weird!

[@stuartstravels1640]

Is there really a rush to get airborne!. The pilots should take all the time they need to ensure all is correct before commencing take off run!.

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@stuartstravels1640 Hi Stuart- I know what you mean. However once on the active runway and given takeoff clearance they are under pressure to get going. You can’t hear it very clearly on the film but tower inform the aircraft there is landing traffic at 6 miles - if they had delayed much longer that landing a/c would have had to go around - causing a ripple of delays …..

[@stuartstravels1640]

@ Sorry, I didn’t realise there was another aircraft on short final!. As someone who used to be a private pilot some years ago, I understand that you can’t hang about on the numbers when it’s busy!.

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@@stuartstravels1640Hi Stuart - all ended well anyway - they got away and the a/c on finals landed safely too! Thanks for watching and commenting. All the best Steve

[@fido3561]

@@stuartstravels1640 But, if you are going to hang out on the Hold Short or Taxi Way before moving to the runway, communicate to the tower you need more time for whatever. That way the Tower can make the decision to allow you to proceed or have you wait for the Short final. Always communicate your intentions.

[@justsmy5677]

@@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or How long does it take a jet on 6 mile final to reach the numbers? At 180 knots (3 miles per minute) it takes two minutes. At 150 knots (2.5 miles per minute) it takes 2:24. At 120 knots, (2 miles per minute) it take 3 minutes. Any headwind, it takes a little longer. The crew and ATC were well aware of this.

[@M158-o3x]

Thought it was NOT legal to record and publish UK ATC...

[@troo_story]

Well you know what thought did, eh.

[@58biggles]

​@@troo_storyooh, l know!

[@stevenwest000]

When you say some sort of issue going on between the pilots, what do you mean, out of interest?

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@stevenwest000 The mystery was solved - the F/O on the flight advised me what was going on - final checks being carried out! 😂

[@Southwest_923WR]

Weird indeed, but good catch!

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@Southwest_923WR yes - very odd. 🤔 Thanks for watching!

[@Swaggerlot]

@@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or Disagreement on intersection departure?

[@owainwright6055]

Fairly poor piloting 🙄 On a seperate point, do the nosewheel bay doors on the Embraer always hang open when taxiing?

[@Swaggerlot]

@@owainwright6055 Seems to be an Embraer standard across the range, nose wheel doors stay down until gear is retracted.

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@@owainwright6055there was obviously something going on in the cockpit wasn’t there. Very odd!

[@robj3857]

Looked like the Captain and FO were having a proper argument!

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@robj3857 I agree - it definitely seemed quite animated in the cockpit. 😮

[@bdcochran01]

Crew needed a spot of tea.

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@@bdcochran01 🤣👏 👍 yes!

[@detangojet]

Cool jet !

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@detangojet it’s very cool isn’t it! 😍

[@deanguilliams8076]

Training ? I guess they were light. O flaps used for takeoff.

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@deanguilliams8076 yes I think you’re right.

[@kennethgrantham5092]

Wake me when it has finally taken off!

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@@kennethgrantham5092 🤣🤣 I know! I was thinking shall I just cut the filming and go and have a cuppa - still be back in time 😩

[@dorepage7076]

Pretty plane.

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@dorepage7076 yes - lovely livery!

[@Petercrossed]

Probably using MSFS 2024...

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@Petercrossed 😂✈️👍

[@jeeptrucklover72]

That’s right. You can’t be tying up the runway doing whatever you’re doing. Cleared? Get the hell out of here and go!

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@jeeptrucklover72 yes! 👏👍

[@chasallallbright4877]

Don’t see the point in this clip other than a nice looking aircraft.

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@chasallallbright4877 fair enough. I was interested because clearly Tower were wondering what the delay was in the cockpit after having given them t/o clearance such a long time before they rolled…

[@logananderson9094]

This is an ex Eastern airframe!

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@logananderson9094 ah! Awesome. I like the livery with the flash of red!

[@Rick-or2kq]

Trying to get that bag of potato chips open.

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@Rick-or2kq 😂 yes - then clearing the crumbs off the throttles after bag opened 😂

[@occamsrayzor]

Private jet - we're rich and can afford to waste fuel and everyone's time.

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@occamsrayzor Another world! 💰💸

[@d-sx560]

I think they decided to do a couple of shots of tequila before takeoff to make it more fun.

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@@d-sx560 🤣🤣👏🍸

[@d-sx560]

@@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or 🍻

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@@d-sx560👍👏👏

[@BillWendell-y5c]

This was like watching The Thunderbirds kzbin.info/www/bejne/eH_LnJJjq5WGg9U

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@BillWendell-y5c 🤣👏👏

[@musoseven8218]

I wonder if P1 and PO were husband and wife, that would explain a lot🤔🤔🤫🤫🙄🙄💔💔

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@musoseven8218 🤣🤣 yes it would! 🧨

[@musoseven8218]

@@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or 😲😲😲🤫🤫🤫🙄🙄🙄💔💔💔🤕🤕🤕🤕🤣🤣🤣

[@stevenwest000]

😂

[@classicraceruk1337]

Stuff flying with crew…

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@classicraceruk1337 😩 yes!

[@bazza945]

Stuff flying without them. 😅

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@@bazza945😂👏👏

[@classicraceruk1337]

@ I missed out the word that!!

[@FarnboroughAviation-nb2or]

@@classicraceruk1337😂 I got the meaning all the same! 😂