Tower of Fantasy in 2023: The Critical State and Massive Decline | Asmongold Reacts

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[@MichaelMcDoesntExist]

Oh no who couldve predicted this

[@xPeski]

Almost dozens of players are absolutely devastated!

[@Aboood-Fun]

IKR

[@SquishyEggo]

me :)

[@ElainaMaruyama]

I loved being told when I said it was just a bandwagon that would very quickly die that I was just an asshole that hates popular things and I should just let people enjoy things. This game is a perfect example of why hype is just an illusion, it deludes people into full dive copium thinking something is good when it isn't.

[@harveyflippers9531]

Everyone needs to chill, the eggs are gonna be hatchable, trust me bro

[@kavinh10]

the appeal to gacha games was never the gacha itself, it's the massive rate of updates which is a side effect of them needing to pump out new characters. There's an update and new banner every week to 2 weeks which usually contains a decent amount of content, compared to say mmos or other online games that update maybe once a month if you're lucky and have fairly light content patches

[@Pepe-dq2ib]

its the waifu.

[@MrWilliGaming]

idk I would aree with you if that content was permanent or at least long lasting but the permanent barrage of low quality events does get tiresome rather quickly. truth is I want to play other games sometimes and my time is limited.

[@_oPhanLong]

@@MrWilliGaming of course the success of a gacha games depends a lot on how much quality they can put into their limited contents. And a lot of gacha games these days do that really well, and it really shows in their numbers.

[@bigred212]

@@Pepe-dq2ib that too

[@MrWilliGaming]

@@_oPhanLong no I would argue against that. no matter how well crafted and how much content a game delivers the most important thing is the onboarding experience. All successful gachas exel here. no matter if you are just starting out or returning, the game immediately seeks to capture you and then keep you as long as possible with daylies and timed events. My previous comment however was about my enjoyment of the genre.

[@arrianna]

A lot of Genshin players played ToF on the first month because it was a time when Genshin didn't have new content. Once Genshin released a new area, all the players went back to Genshin and just left ToF.

[@LawlessTJ]

Yeah It was a bad release date on their part I'm pretty sure I remember it released within the same month as sumeru being dropped

[@thefallencomrade50]

No people left tof because pay to win gacha games I can't clear contents without whale

[@weirdyoutubechannels]

look at my banner for cookie!

[@eApplePie]

Yeah they just released ToF at the worst possible day,Genshin was just about to release the new element that everyone was waiting for 2 year and a new region

[@cubescoper7588]

I've played genshin since 1.0 and besides looking nice it is pretty lazy and boring after the inazuma release.

[@nyasudah]

The game world was fun at first, I even explored it to 100%, but once that was done, there was nothing interesting that kept me playing. It didn't help that I didn't feel any power level progression as all the mobs kept their levels with me, so it took about the same amount of time to kill them at lv1 as at lv50. Character levelling is an artificial thing in that game, it's just increasing a number, but I never felt any more powerful than i was before.

[@simmerke1111]

Played until lvl 2X or maybe close to 30. It was just a loop of watching slideshow quests and hitting enemies that fall down pretty easily. I'm not a good gamer, don't play all that many games anymore. But there was like no challenge whatsoever up until that point. Why continue playing?

[@tofuchahan6316]

Yeah content levels with you in the beginning, I'm not sure if I'd prefer it like this or the "different area = different level" system that old mmos had. Only at max level you start feeling more powerful as you can keep advancing equipment while mobs have already capped out. Before, groups of 20 took 5 minutes to kill sobek. Now it takes less than 30 seconds.

[@algame3]

The game had many fun activities to do, but the world being empty killed the game. I really like finding random secrets in the game

[@ssarellas]

so much for the Genshin killer lol

[@weirdyoutubechannels]

look at my banner for cookie!!!

[@michapiasta3072]

@@aka-47k it was the reason i quit, even getting the King(knock off Diluc) to 5 stars could not keep me in.

[@miiko7859]

No, there are loads of empty world games. The problem withthis game is its waaaaay too p2w heavy. Content is too hard for casuals so they quit.

[@siphi7583]

The game is just low budget quality scuffed, all the empty world and p2w while literally winning nothing is on every gacha.

[@bear940]

Honestly, I quit ToF right after seeing the collectibles with a cooldown

[@michelpath98]

Gacha systems are strange. They are designed to make you wanna spend money yes, but you gotta realize that they are only fun with minimal to no spending. If you just spend money you get all the things sure. But if you get it something cool with very limited resources, then it actually feels pretty good. That gets ruined ofc if you are in a PvP environment. Also Asmon, most people don't have thoudands of bucks to spend every week, so no, your chart of "didn't get character -> spend more" doesn't apply for like 95% of the players

[@uhagi6720]

Games like Arknights and GFL are good examples of a gacha system which players enjoy, because they make it so you are highly encouraged to pull as many characters as you can. GFL is completely resourced based gacha, while Arknights is currency based which you can get a large amount of at a very rapid pace. Both of them NEVER pressure you to pay for pulls, they simply make it a secondary option to the main gameplay focused method of grinding pulls.

[@boom350ph]

Ok but there are some really good ones for f2p dedicated ones like genshine and guardian tales i think i perfer guardian tales coz u atleast can grind a specific character if u fail the gacha alot Basically the system if it gives u shards or something for each pull and u can buy the signature weapon and character buut it is advice to try your luck for the character and just buy the weapon

[@boom350ph]

@@killertruth186 cunt wars

[@kavinh10]

lots of p2w gachas pander to the crowd of people who want to pretend to be skillful by spending exorbitant amounts of money to beat up people with their wallets. nearly every gacha game with a pvp mode has those types of showoffs. It happens even in pve centric games that have a ranking system but obviously to a much lesser degree

[@Jinruu]

It does feel good getting cool stuff or pushing content with limited resources, but it also feels like shit to not be able to experience half of it because of paywalls and RNG. And it's not just PvP, but PvE too. I was pretty into pushing Phantasm. Got rank 1 the first two weeks, then started getting paired with the biggest whales on my server and gave up.

[@Eckythump]

Asmongold 2023. "I've never gambled my money ever." Bruh, I remember you and Diablo Immortal.

[@skyK7711]

ToF killed themselves by releasing right before Genshin Sumeru region release

[@flyingcow5235]

1:30 just me or does the background look like Arc City from honkai impact? i'm not trying to say that tof copied honkai (thats old news) just that i recently finished the arc city quests and this seems so familiar

[@tokitowa4393]

They say no other gacha game in recent memory. But pretty sure Nahida's banner on genshin made over 34 million ONLY counting the iOS market in china alone. Not taking global, PC, android or playstation into account. SO ya know. Iiit iiiis what it iiiiis lol

[@michapiasta3072]

Also raiden rerun did little more than nahida.

[@ShiraVT]

Tower Of Fantasy was fun while it lasted which was all of 3 months lol Tencent kills everything they touch

[@Aerngard]

Level Infinite is also Tencent btw.

[@ShiraVT]

​@@Aerngard Sadly, yeah.. Honestly it's just sad how many companies they own or have a majority share in, but especially on the tech side of things. Massive greedy Chinese investment company go brrrrr

[@jonson856]

Does League of Legends still exist? When Genshin came out, I stopped playing League and never cared for it anymore.

[@ShiraVT]

@@jonson856 Yeah, league is still around but it's just boring events and the new champion designs are recycled content for the most part. No new gamemodes for quite some time, and didn't bring back the ones they promised they would.

[@sweetserenity4145]

@@ShiraVT yeah sadly Tencent just have too much capital on their hands

[@Haruka_May]

Nikke's story and music were actually surprisingly good. Tried it out for the fanservice but that's the kind of thing that keeps me with a game rather than just jumping to the next shiny thing that comes out.

[@cartoonvideos5]

Literal coomer game, how embarrassing

[@kibasin7230]

Yeah... I also started playing because of the "assets" they have but I decided to stay since the story is actually enjoyable

[@emerlance]

Most of Korean gacha game story in general are really good tho

[@ClumsyHumane]

The story was pretty decent not gonna lie, I played quite a lot initially but the gameplay got too repetitive & I am not one of those who can keep playing a game just because it has hot anime girls so I stopped...

[@silkwind7618]

Nikke is literally an ASS game. 90% of the combat is you staring or glancing at the ass when they start firing.

[@Gasten950]

That flowchart is only applicable to whales and whales aren't the mayority of the playerbase in gacha. Most people I think try to save up the currency they get for free, try to pull for the character they want with what they have and if they don't get it, start saving for the next one. Some might spend 100 dollars and then stop after that even if they don't get the character but not most. I play like 5 gacha games, I couldn't even afford to try and get every character. So I save up for the characters I want. Sometimes I spend money when it's not enough, sometime it's more than 100 dollars sometimes less.

[@jam8337]

For me, I do enjoy tower of fantasy, I really do….but it’s so so difficult to farm for decent materials given the fact that you level up so fast, meaning enemies and bosses level up fast too. you end up needing to rely on whales or higher levelled people to carry you through farming, and if you’re far behind or a new player might as well forget it because active players don’t really need to farm the same things as you anymore and the servers are so dead not many people are willing to help out :’)

[@swordmaster4448]

"difficult to farm for decent materials given the fact that you level up so fast, meaning enemies and bosses level up fast too. you end up needing to rely on whales or higher levelled people to carry you through farming." THIS IS THE MAIN PROBLEM ABOUT THE GAME, its P2W Game, even small spender like me doesnt having fun even i hava alot of charater but have a hard time on dungeon that need to be carried by whales, its so STUPID specially with P2W system Called "CP" im glad qiut the game and play Genshin instead, its to hardcore grinding game for small spender like me .

[@jam8337]

@@swordmaster4448 yeah yeah exactly! I've seen people insist it's not a P2W game but like......as someone who's usually F2P with Gacha games, it most definitely is. I GUESS if you're up for the grind then sure, but it's just so hard to keep up when everything is caught up. it's really not fair. A shame, really. I tried to continue playing because I do enjoy it but recently just deleted the game off my phone. I can't keep grinding everyday only to make a fraction of an improvement :(

[@blastyblast1010]

Most bosses worst mechanics occur or get worse because you failed to break the shield in time, which is a completely different mechanic than dealing damage. So it sounds dumb when people don't understand the mechanics and just complain about dying to a boss they couldn't solo. Git gud or at least mid.

[@cartoonvideos5]

The game filtered a whole lotta scrubs

[@pega7550]

I had a huge problem with one of the early events, which was timed to run every full hour or so because if it‘d run on demand there would never be enough people for it. This extreme splitting of the community into however many servers per region without being able to play with other servers or switching, then split again into 75 different channels just kills the whole mood of an mmo, just felt like another single player game, but with bosses you can‘t beat on your own. Like, there‘s mmos out there that are pretty old, but you can play with anyone from the NA servers as long as you play on any NA server. Can‘t be that hard…

[@AsharaStark]

I agree 100% on your take about playing a game because it is fun, not because it is gacha based or subscription based

[@Sacration]

True

[@SorarikoMotone]

@@XxWolfxWaRioRxX basic on the surface, but pretty deep when you actually decide to look into the whole reactions mumbo jumbo, tho. thats actually one of the good parts of it, honestly

[@tofuchahan6316]

​@@SorarikoMotone Genshin combat is much slower than normal games but requires more thinking, until it doesn't. If your team is at the just right level for abyss (barely able to 3* with less than 30s to spare every floor) you'll spend multiple hours formulating strategies on your opener based on enemy spawn, which reactions to do, different ways and angles + positions to stand from to group mobs, transitioning from your opener to midgame, maybe even having your whole entire 3 minutes scripted in order to clear after having slightly adjusted your opener each reset. This was extremely fun for me until you eventually overlevel your characters and are able to sleep on the content with no effort. Abyss became a bi weekly homework chore, which would have honestly been fine had there been content I could get the drive I had initially doing abyss to replace it. I can fully appreciate Genshin's big brain + slow combat but I still prefer the fast mechanically intensive + attentive awareness demanding combat most games have.

[@thefallencomrade50]

@@SorarikoMotone oh shit genshit evil whiteknight here we you Go again

[@leuyenpham8341]

The combat system has depth, but ppl usually think it's basic since the monster was way too easy to kill

[@DeafCope]

installed for booba saw booba uninstalled

[@Urkikk]

The closest thing I can think of about what make gacha interesting, is it a bit like roguelike kind of stuffs where not everyone will get all the same things for each save/playthrough, and you get to work around with what you're given, grab your favorite playstyle or waifu/husbando you get attached to, and then stick to it. I don't think gacha pulling montage is the main thing they aim for, it's the reason why I'm not necessary attach to a gacha that give more free pulls than the one I'm playing, there need to have at least another reason to grab my interest. That just my thought on it, I may can tolerate the powercreep as long as the game still enjoyable without it and the powercreep not being too straightforward or just direct upgrade like copy-paste with more stats and different sprite. Also, as long as it didn't block too much of the content.

[@Juynial]

I wanted to say this. ToF to me feels like a game in which during its conception, a bunch of dev sitting together and discussing after being told by their corporate overlord to make something similar to Genshin to capitalize on its hype. One of them proposes that they should just read players' complaint about Genshin and cater to their needs by adding missing features that players "think they need". - Genshin co-op is lackluster => Make the future game MMO so players can hang out together. - Genshin doesn't have character customization => Let's add that. - Genshin stamina is very restricting => Give them unlimited sprinting stamina. Oh, and give them mount as well. - Genshin combat isn't flashy => Give them button mashing combat and aerial combat because that shit is flashy af. - Genshin enemies and especially bosses are easy to kill => Let's create abomination of bosses with unpredictable attack that drain half of players' HP or even insta-kill them like Sobek and Robarg's spike attack. - Genshin is stingy and not giving players' enough gacha pulls => Let's give them a lot of gacha pulls at the beginning of the game, and lower the pity so that people think we are more generous. While at it, gotta put Genshin's equivalent of Artifacts (Matrices) behind gacha and give players the illusion that they can farm for those things from bosses and joint ops and raid and shit. - Genshin doesn't have scythe wielding character => Let's give them a Diluc lookalike scythe wielder whom you will meet for about 5 minutes in the story and never again. Also get him voiced by Kirito for extra edginess. - Genshin doesn't have enough female characters wearing thigh highs => Let's design almost every female outfits and characters featuring thigh highs (I swear it feels like the whole dev have that fetish for thigh highs but they could not even design a good pair). All of these missing features should have given them an edge over Genshin, but they mishandled it at the design level. - Like how they implemented the mount so poorly, it is almost useless because it couldn't get over a tiny bump on the road. As the result, most people would rather walk than using mount while exploring, cuz sprinting stamina is unlimited and character can walk over a goddamn bump. - They add aerial combat, but that thing is clunky and drain a lot of stamina while also leaving you vulnerable on air. - The suppressor was supposedly to progress along with and reflect your power level. But it was bound by that shitty CS prerequisite, forcing people to cheese it with their SR weapons so they can upgrade it. - Their gacha, while outward looking very generous. But in late game, anything other than SSR is useless. They also never add new SR characters, either. So at some point, when you get all the SR characters, you stopped getting excited for anything other than the red light in your gacha animation. - Their PvP, while claimed to be "balanced stats" to ensure a fair fight, but those SSR and their abilities is a huge deciding factor on your win (I still dread Frigg and her spam katana slash). Worse, their corporate overlord is greedy and does not have a vision for future and urged them to rush the game and monetize the crap out of it. This is why you get a broken game and outfit gachapon events, or a two-person mount that cost $900 to get.

[@Vazmezvez]

You forgot the pvp, that is a shitshow of whales and lag. Fun thing is Genshin added pvp in the form of the card game that gets regularly updated and balanced.

[@irinechemist2550]

Yup they even added a feature to pet animal.. another thing that people want in genshin.

[@allcomrade1329]

It impossible genshin add this because not mmorpg

[@Juynial]

@@allcomrade1329 did I say I want Genshin to have that?

[@Wiradika1414]

@@allcomrade1329 TBH bro, you're kinda Right... If they just step into the territory of an MMO or adding something like "P2W PvP Mode" like in ToF or any Gacha game out there, it will be very bad for the future of genshin and even me who is "loyal enough" to Genshin's current situation can immediately quit the game... For me, PvP is Okay... if it does not discriminate against F2Ps that hard...

[@Vicitive69]

The reason I stopped playing tower of fantasy was that the monetization system was worse than what my dog left in the yard this morning. Having limited currency on a limited banner is a bad idea. Its abhorrently worse than the monetization of other games I've seen. Maybe besides Diablo mobile

[@Haruka_May]

Good gachas don't force you to spend money or rely on luck. It's like oldschool MMOs where you were able to work toward getting cool mounts or gear. The good ones have pity systems so if you get stuff early that's great but if not you didn't waste your time. MMO mount farming is basically gacha but without the pity system.

[@swordmaster4448]

"Good gachas don't force you to spend money or rely on luck" this is reason why Genshin Impact Success, because its not P2W game like TOF

[@martinabancens9633]

@@swordmaster4448 There's a pity system in tof tho

[@swordmaster4448]

@@martinabancens9633 yeah but u will not enjoy play the game farming gear because u need help from WHALES to carry u. without whale even if u a small spender u are not having fun in the game worst is u cannot farming gear. also CP System = P2W Game Simple.

[@raptoruwu8295]

​@@swordmaster4448I've personally been playing tof with just a few friends and never needed to rely on the whales to carry me. Also CP can't be truly bought since limits and such. Getting high CP is based off of weapons and material that you mostly get by just doing daily stuff like with genshin. And just like genshin there's parts of it where you can buy material if you have the stuff. In no way is the game perfect or any of that but it does have similarities the only difference is that genshin doesn't have a way to track gear points while tof does

[@martinabancens9633]

@@swordmaster4448 You don't need whales to clear the content, there's a pretty big f2p community in tof. The appealing side to tof is the social interactions, talking about crews, that is totally missing in genshin and that improving gear is worth something. There's a lot wrong in tof but they are pretty different games in the end. The only content whales thrive is phantasm which nobody cares about

[@josefmadrid960]

honestly it is improving and getting better its just people are not willing to give it a chance

[@Xenoray1]

as genshin player, i did give it a try at launch, played through main story and side quest, close 100% map and tried abit pvp and pve but realised playing two of those game is just exausting and i choose the more fun one..

[@yushion5804]

In genshin, you can totally f2p and go explore the whole open world and stories and questswithout any problems , you might have enough free primos to pull 2 or 3 five stars, once you enjoyed enough you can just quit with no regrets, btw genshin is a single player game.

[@abelingaw5070]

ToF in 2022: I'm the Genshin Impact killer. Genshin in 2023: Who?

[@MTGKami]

20:57 to be fair there are a lot of gotcha games that give plenty of game currency to pull for things without spending any money. Not all are totally predatory, now you can spend if you want but it’s not always necessary. I play a lot of games and don’t spend a dime I can do all the content and have my “fix” for gambling without spending money. It’s just about how good are you at balancing resources and how much control do you have. Simple as that.

[@howzany6832]

The game reached critical state for me when I downloaded it and wanted to play it. Then it declined when it proceeded to crash to desktop every time I tried to log in so I had to uninstall it.

[@thefallencomrade50]

Your ping is bad lol tried use vpn

[@viviansytsui]

Ah Christ, I was also so pissed off at the whole time gated chests and level cap right away. More importantly, not even finding a team of people to kill a boss was ridiculous. Everyone wasn't on the server I was on too. It really annoyed me because I really wanted to play it and just sink my time into it.

[@viviansytsui]

@@ohnosmoarlulcatz Yeah it was such a bummer to finally make it up some narrow cliff side only to find it wasn't available to open yet. Good Lord.

[@thefallencomrade50]

@@ohnosmoarlulcatz time gates no more in tof

[@rambii.]

@@thefallencomrade50 true but it’s already too late

[@purona2500]

@@rambii. It didnt even matter when it was a thing

[@rambii.]

@@purona2500 it was one of the biggest complaint in the game. People spending time searching for chests but when they find one, they had to wait 48hours. And the progression time gate was a problem for a lot of people who just want to play.

[@adamantine001]

ToF is fun, my only issue is that how humiliating it is to be carried by whales with 10 times damage of ToF's monthly revenue. You could spend some money on it but some is not much so you really had to go full whale mode to feel like you actually made progress building your account 😂

[@Demira94]

You cant have a p2w gacha game with MMO elements. There are reasons people hate p2w in mmorpg's. It feels awfull when someone in your group does 80% of the teams total damage because he hit the enemy with his credit card.

[@SystemBot]

I went back in to try the game when Vera released. Was very disappointed with Vera's city Mirroria. Love that kind of designs, but it was just way smaller and simpler map than I expected.

[@tofuchahan6316]

It's 3x bigger now. Global is just copying patches from CN for the most part. Any complaint you may have in the current version is probably already fixed in advance from similar complaints by the CN community and is just waiting to be added.

[@MajorJak]

The appeal of gacha reminds me of rogue-like games, you just need to work with what you get from the run/pulls (before spending) and that's fun to me. Good gachas tend to stand out whenever the free units can clear most/all content a game has to offer If playing well. I don't see this as too different from stuff like vampire survivors but in a different format. The ability to spend money is secondary to that but immensely helps to pump out new content faster than other games.

[@marlonyo]

Fgo mats farming is just pure evil . It is not even greed since there is no way to turn money to mats. Fgo really makes you appreciate genshin.

[@msbhv_jin]

Mostly f2p here and just from saving and 5 bucks a month, I have frost comp, volt, comp, and have lots of weapons with constellations

[@ozzcoremidmx8287]

The thing I liked about ToF is that on PC they implemented options that Genshin Impact does not have like support for 120 fps and more character customization. Another thing that heavily impacted the game is that it was released globally when Genshin was about to release their most ambitious update: Sumeru.

[@jasonscs8152]

I think the main thing that killed themselves is the quality control. It fathoms me how they missed the whole untranslated void rift page, and how long they took to even fix it (I quit at 1.5 which they haven't fix the page and I don't know if they fix it already). There are many simple thing they messed up, shows the incompetency of the game developer.

[@haiiro1757]

Ironic isn't it? The Genshin Killer is killed by Genshin?

[@thefallencomrade50]

@@haiiro1757 genshit killer caleed by bastard genshit infect player

[@Jev_the_fluorescent_shrimp]

Char customization is the most unnecessary thing ever lmao. For example I love Aether as he is, cuz he's a whole separate character and mc of the story, not my self insert. Rpgs should not be sims customization chamber simulators Also, couldn't care less for 120 fps

[@4twenny]

not gonna talk about the bugs? glitches? bad server managements? time-gated content on release? predatory systems? bad end-game contents? do you even remember the first ever event in the game which was a gacha system that if you pay 99 coins you get a swim suit? and if you dont pay anything then there is no way for you to gain anything in that event? stop being brainwashed by greedy chinese companies. I myself was invested into the game at launch too, created the number 1 crew on the biggest asia-pacific channel, but saw how to game is treating its player base and decided to quit and that was the best decision ever.

[@zXDaishiXz]

The biggest problem I see is that premium is too expensive, and customization is too restrictive. CAD is 150 bucks for a coin flip that sure as hell doesn't feel like coin flip odds.

[@henrymapleton]

As someone who's been playing games like Ragnarok Online, the idea of companies doing monthly lootboxes was built into my mind set at a early. As well as the thrill of pulling rares from Magic the gathering or opening kinder surprise eggs even as a kid. The enjoyment of pulling in games has been rooted in my life for ages.

[@simmerke1111]

"Pulling" is the same as killing a boss for loot. Except you get to skip the fun part and go straight to the dopamine.

[@RavenShugo]

@@simmerke1111 Not skipping, but changing gameplay to spending money

[@ValentineRey]

I'll gamble asmongold's last remaining hair for how many more doompost this game game is going to get until it comes true.

[@SekayKFP]

The ungodly amount of glitches and glitchy mechanics is mostly what made me quit.

[@jay4gamers1]

Best thing to hear about this, Asmond watches Fist of the North Star. A man of Culture.

[@banir3736]

It feels so good that genshin doesn’t follow that GGG. I still see people who mains characters from 1.1 and they are still good in Gamr

[@stevenviljoen160]

My Traveler and Barbara is still carying my team 2 years later LMAO

[@cartoonvideos5]

That’s because the game is built for casuals noobs

[@Wiradika1414]

@@cartoonvideos5 Well it makes it Great then... it means this game doesn't force you to play the "New Dudes/Chicks" that much... playing something that doesn't get that much Powercreep, means You have the opportunity to save something that you may really need in the Future...

[@cartoonvideos5]

@@Wiradika1414 Well there should be some optional endgame content and world level raise for the people who do

[@Wiradika1414]

@@cartoonvideos5 thats true tho... Well they can add it when ever they want... Something that doesn't force you to get "another 5*" to clear the stage maybe...

[@xBox360BENUTZER]

Massive decline? It was never populare to begin with (a one week spike in which players test out the new game doesn´t count)

[@valentinyovkov6488]

Listening to Stix talking about TOF, is like a flat-earther trying to debate science

[@kuekeju2300]

You're high on copium dude... Games are dying because of stupid developers and greedy publishers. In this video Stix only gives the existing data

[@kmeanxneth]

​@@kuekeju2300 i would say Stix is on copium

[@GabeHowardd]

@@kuekeju2300 I puke just by reading that name Sti🤮

[@catsouplover7745]

Could you elaborate on this? i understand the concept, but why is stix not qualified to talk about TOF? he seems to be quite knowledgeable in gacha games.

[@bewe5473]

Dude stix always chase clout about this game, in this channel he ALWAYS says this game is dead but on his other channel he's ALWAYS hype the game up.

[@lonk341]

im addicted to gachas lately, but i still play my regular pc games everyday with a lot of my friends i made since middle school and highschool that I consider family. that being said i used to play just genshin and arkinghts. now i play about 7 gachas everyday. this sounds absurd but hear me out. i work a night shift at a desk and do nothing all night as a concierge, not a doorman so its very chill. For me the addiction of gachas is the progress of work or dailys that slowly add up and see my progress getting stronger and better and more knowledge of how to properly use units in combo of other and general understanding of the game. Another thing for me is the fact the gachas get so much content and updates as appose to regular games now a days, every 3-5weeks theres anew update. i play Destiny 2 with over 1000Hrs and i do not sign in every day or even fathom it (unless new update with new raid drops). its hard to explain entirely and hard to describe. Character design, yes we have nikke with booba character and jiggles but have you seen character design of Arknights, Punishing Grey Raven, Genshin, Path to nowhere? Characters regardless of their sexual appeal to whatever person are just so well designed from their appearance, story and/or personality its hard to not want to pull for them sometimes. How many games do we play where there is so much love and attention to so many characters? it makes you more connected to the game and world because you genuinely like these characters. sometimes i dont want a character and run into one of those aspect and my perspective changes. For me it may be ima special case with very accommodating job for it, but at the same time i often come home from work in front of my pc, open up youtube, discord, chill and play some more gacha for a few more hours.

[@laboriouss]

It being a really bad game aside, I kinda wanna see if a part of its decline aligns with genshins updates. Most big streamers of tof all just said they played the game because they are waiting for content in genshin and I believe a lot of people did that.

[@haganetsume8173]

When the foundation is a cash grab, it always going back to cash grab.

[@laszloneumann500]

When they introduced personal island and it became apparent what the weekly grind looks like there, i was like *nope* Artificial island update was a bigL

[@purona2500]

artificial island is really good for what it is. An easy way to farm matrcies and materials passively. With the choice of putting in more work killing mobs to increase those rates.

[@laszloneumann500]

@@purona2500 Its low effort recycled garbadge content and a mindnumbing boring grind, and i'm saying that as a 5k+ hour warframe player *thats how bad it is*

[@leon_9114]

For me, in comparison with Genshin, the updates of ToF are very heavy and so fast that it forces current players to grind. The updates are hard to digest. Unlike Genshin's updates where you can just relax completing the new map and content, probably due to it having a mix of MMORPG Just my opinion. I quit during Cobalt B's banner and returned during Saki Fuwa's banner. After returning, it is difficult to find anybody to join you in completing portals in Artificial Island and almost all players are already done with the miniboss in Vera. After that I quit again. It's too overwhelming for me.

[@blksrsil]

It was the time gating that killed it for me initially

[@zenin2922]

lmao already knew this game was gonna go down especially when they were advertising themselves as the genshin killer

[@thefallencomrade50]

Is called by bastard genshit infect player

[@forthelichkingsname]

I spent a little on ToF but really can't push myself to play it anymore.

[@Stooboot]

The problem is no matter how much time u put in you will never even be close to the guy who just swipes his credit card. MMOs with P2W suck

[@TheBloodsin]

man i hate that mmobyte guy lmao

[@Glenshane]

One thing that graph forgets is the side part for if you got the character, you need to spend even more on the gacha to get the same character so that the character can get stronger. 😂

[@terezii]

watching him struggle with paint wasnt what i expected

[@praisesui-tyan]

Anything dubbed as "Game Name"-killer before it is released surely is cursed to fail huh.

[@SuperiorAsain]

just say genshin

[@marzialalfonzocanada888]

it didn't tho it actually failed in the beginning and is now a big game it suffered from very bad launch

[@mickbotcast]

Basically, "Game"-Killer is just another advertisement for a game that lack passion and uniqueness. They've to leech on already big game popularity to win the market. it the lowest tier compares to "Inspired by "game name "

[@praisesui-tyan]

@@SuperiorAsain I could still say the same when also talking about those WoW-killers, DotA/League killer, etc.

[@hampter7188]

Thats because the game devs have no passion or love for the game...

[@RySoRy]

Every day I wake up and am grateful I wasn't born with the gamba gene

[@hoodedy]

on launch day i clicked on the na servers and somehow i ended up on Asia and i dolphined for a character then i find out im not in na. was sad that day

[@maradonapele7258]

6:18 exactly, the bosses of this game are just pain in the ass because of how badly designed they are, it's just not fun, it's fucking frustrating.

[@ninetyninenights6226]

Asmon's take on gacha games is a whale's take. F2Ps play a resource management game. I don't really get it why people read "gacha game", they instantly think, "Oh, how much would I swipe my card in this game?". You don't have to spend a single cent, and if you can't control yourself, why are you playing gacha games?

[@BitterLime90]

Are you f2p in any gacha game you're currently playing?

[@ninetyninenights6226]

@@BitterLime90 I've been F2P ever since I've started playing gacha games 12 years ago.

[@kucing8107]

Or maybe it because I join a server that have lots of whale, the Indonesians scared me if that the case

[@Adrian962012]

I mean some ppl don't have time to farm and so they spend the money they get from spending their time in a job to get the same things someone with time can

[@redcronojm]

i want a Soulsbourne MMO right now.

[@SekayKFP]

Oh no why did you say that.. now I need it

[@OmegaRpg953]

I lol when you said who wants too play 1/2 cooked game with not all the features in the game right at the start

[@supersonic443]

Oh no, a trend chaser who started late failed to chase the trend. Who could've predicted that? See: The "Zombie Game" boom, The MMORPG boom, the MOBA boom and the Battle Royale boom.

[@Zombiesbum]

The real reason ToF is bad is because you can't have a cooperative game that incentivises spending through p2w and still have an intact community of players. You end up with players that spend a lot of money grouping together and then everyone else. The community gets filtered by how much the spend (or don't spend), and guess what? People leave. But tbh, if the game was actually good, people would stay despite that. The game is just one long daily quest simulator. If you ain't doing dailies, you ain't playing. That's bad game design.

[@Nahida2909]

I find its kinda ironic that this video has way more realistic views than tower of fantasy character trailer videos.

[@thefallencomrade50]

Tof trailer video is advertised

[@Nahida2909]

@@thefallencomrade50 yeah thats why I said the word "realistic"

[@mleong75]

Played gacha since Brave Frontier era, still haven't met one that can match up to Honkai Impact 3rd. The story, gameplay and graphics are hard to beat (Its by Hoyoverse afterall). You can play it casually, as the story gives you trial characters or competitively. The outfits are plentiful and gorgeous and I enjoy the endgame a lot. Tried Genshin till AR60 and ToF till lv80, got bored of both. Punishing Gray Raven delivers in terms of gameplay. Looking forward to Wuthering Waves.

[@Jev_the_fluorescent_shrimp]

Idk, honkai never appealed that much to me. The story isn't half as good as everyone claims, to the point i feel deceived having played through it now tbh. Gameplay is boring compared to genshin - stage-based story progression is just ugh, graphics are worse too. Overall, not as bad as tof but definitely worse than genshin Much more p2w too.

[@mleong75]

@@Jev_the_fluorescent_shrimp I find the story well written and the characters are very fleshed out. The villains aren't one dimensional too, like Otto and Kevin. Gameplay wise, I like the fast paced combat with more complex mechanics. Genshin was just too simple for my taste. Enemies are also idle, waiting to get slap. Endgame is p2w if you aim for Red Lotus and Nirvana (spender tiers). Agony and below just needs a decent lineup. Edit: I like the fact that I get to ultilise my character's kit fully. Whereas in Genshin, its just more optimal to press E and Q for most characters, before swapping out. The rest of the character's kit is outright ignored.

[@Jev_the_fluorescent_shrimp]

@@mleong75sorry, but from your description you don't seem like a person who actually knows genshin's combat system well

[@mleong75]

@@Jev_the_fluorescent_shrimp Oh I know it very well. There's mathematical formulas behind the various elemental reactions (did watch some TCs like TenTen). But none of that actually matters when you E/Q and everything just dies. Story wise, although Genshin is open-world based, its just going from point A to B and do task. It was the same for Sumeru's chapter as well. Exploration got really boring overtime, aside from some interesting puzzles. Doesn't help that you don't have any gadgets/mounts that aid you in your travels eg. ToF's relic system. You have to rely on specific anemo chars like Venti or Kazuha.

[@Jev_the_fluorescent_shrimp]

@@mleong75 better than stages anyway And the story itself is better in genshin

[@Eirandir]

the gacha graph at the end is exactly correct, and that is exactly the reason I love gacha games, I enjoy that loop, and as a low spender is even more exciting ebcause you don't always have the $100 to spend lmao

[@kabannoneko]

Played ToF for a while... and the thing that really disappointed me was the fact the gacha was all glorified weapon banners. There are characters, yes, but they barely have anything you can emotionally invest in.

[@wumpratt]

i think people had way too much expectations for version 1.x which i believe was an open beta at China side. As for earnings wise, there's alot of spending outside of playstore/appstore since you get a 20%-ish discount by doing that. And like all MMOs, as more patches gets pushed out, new players get more to play with. If you start Genshin today, you'd have hundreds of nonstop gaming hours compared to just 20-ish on launch

[@wildannurm3739]

The problem is ToF publisher never listen and care about players complain which push player quit the game. New players experience is also garbage making any player just joining decide to quit the game

[@wumpratt]

@@wildannurm3739 like you said, they are the publisher, they probably didnt have access to the coding team to make massive changes that the western audiences were demanding in such a short timespan while working on the CN version concurrently. Also, those issues were already going to be addressed in subsequent patches based on China version, thats probably why they decided to push forward for better or for worse in order to save on development resources. Not trying to defend them, but i probably wouldve done the same if i were in their shoes.

[@Revoa_]

For me it was the first ever event being locked behind a paywall and the f2p portion being world boss farming that was so laggy you couldn't play

[@chocobox1571]

I think he could add another string or path in his gacha guide with: Do you have the character? Yes --> Do I want a dupe for upgrade? Yes or no

[@wesleyleigh4063]

for me, it was a combination of the morbidly banal story, the very repetitive and uninspired landscape and the combat. People really don't credit Genshin's combat enough, sure there's other stuff namely the characters that carry it, but the combat is really what hooks you and keeps you bothering to come back, it's just so versatile and ever evolving, and maintains a semblant sense of realism outside of Zhongli summoning a meteor and Venti a blackhole. Final note, I wanted to like the futuristic, cyberpunk aesthetic they tried in ToF, but the graphical bandwidth and half assed nature of it ended up being a turn off. Many of the new characters gimmicks or weapons were just goofy or just frankly poorly drawn.

[@Lenox188]

Stix doesn't stop lmao, the game is still alive, queues of less than 1 minute for anything you do unless it's for raids near the weekend, they published the amount of active players currently and it's over 100k, Stix wanted that the game would die after a month of the game being released but unfortunately for him that didn't happen, so he keeps trying to force it until today, poor frustrated guy...

[@thefallencomrade50]

Stix hate all gacha games and he bashing games after release and trash talking about game

[@wildannurm3739]

Tell me what's Stix said wrong in the video. He just said the truth about ToF decline fast from revenue and playerbase which you can see yourself

[@zeromailss]

I think the only reason ToF was popular during launch was that there is no competition as new MMO release slow down and not long before that, Genshin was a surprisingly well-made game that break the ice to casual audience and introduce them to Gacha mechanic so most people are not as wary or against it as few years prior and maybe they were hoping for a more multiplayer focused Genshin-like experience but it was just nowhere near as polished nor well managed so people left as quickly as they came I play ToF for a week and it was a lot of fun but yea, it was just not that good. There are plenty of better Gacha game out there and the same is true for MMO

[@arondyte318]

Tencent has a new favorite child in Nikke now and their own IP Honor of Kings: World is in full development swing. If revenues keeps going in a downward spiral, Tencent may pull the plug on the global version soon after milking it for what it’s worth since they’re all about the ez $$$

[@Kokoinaday]

I just downloaded the game, I was very excited at first until it loaded :) and most of my crews are off 2-4months streak

[@thomas_the_cat]

ToF had potential... i still logon and play like once a month despite my server being dead af and queues already taking a couple of minutes each... but a LOT of exploits and bugs on a PvP game is basically a death sentence 😅

[@Helixcards]

Server transfers are available you can Google and see what's a higher pop server to join

[@kapeecoffee]

It really didn't if you saw the state of the cn version which is a head by a year of updates

[@thefallencomrade50]

Sad you can server transfer now

[@warnalmstek5448]

I can imagine people checking out gacha games because that might be the cheapest sustainable monetarization scheme for the player, provided there is enough free stuff to get. Another reason is that because of the gacha monetization, the game has to get frequent and high-quality updates, even changing mechanics; with subscription games often lack and cash fist games almost never get. Of course, yet another reason might be that the player is a collector or gambler, but those have other avenues to spend their money more efficiently (TCGs, comics, books, casinos, online poker, etc.)

[@MeinHerz.Brennt]

The reason i stopped playing it was because i mainly play on console thats why still enjoy genshin impact

[@Best_grass]

Biggest flaw of tower of fantasy: Tencent

[@Kylen1929]

Why is it so hard for devs to do those simple things. Communicate with your customers, have server transfers within a month, and deal with any fucking cheaters and hackers ASAP.

[@wenguy18]

I like the game but sadly and disappoint that they just only almost copy paste the CN except balancing.. so many bug even in 8vs8.. Ruby weapon .. they put a feedback channel but Im 100% they ignore some bugs in game I report.

[@commentaries7144]

The boss going underground with telegraph on attack is stupid. you can't tell when it would attack and cannot be dodge, so you have to take the damage which almost one shot you. There's also the problem of farming healing items. It was beyond stupid overall.

[@excalitto]

Who would have thought? I played the game for a few weeks on release (non-stop, mind you). Cleared 100% on every available map, level capped every day it was available and got decent gear. It was really fun for a few weeks until it wasn't, which happen much sooner than i expected. Also, what made me instantly quit was the too fast paced SSR releases with very limited amount/sources to get pulls other than exploration. I realized it would be impossible to keep up as f2p with the bare minimum pulls provided by events/activities after hitting 100% exploration.

[@vugu]

You can't compare this when it's during the holidays. Most people busy with holiday stuff, visiting family Thanksgiving, etc etc

[@peterbabicki8252]

I'll fall on this sword and make a case for the fun value of Gacha. In some Gacha games, you don't need to get your wallet out. You can play through the game, do events, achievements, bosses, and so on to obtain the currency needed to participate in the Gacha. Some games are more generous than others in this regard. So the currency is essentially the same as any other in-game currency at that point. Then you save up for a weapon or character you're interested in, and then you roll the dice - and sometimes you'll get a weapon or character you're after sooner rather than later. This might seem crazy to some people, but many people enjoy this. It is what it is.

[@animalchin5082]

I guess grinding towards an item or overcoming a challenge just doesn't release the same amount of dopamine as gambling huh

[@peterbabicki8252]

@@animalchin5082 In some games you do both. You have to overcome challenges in order to earn the currency, and grind for said currency. There's usually a pity system, so you can essentially buy the character or weapon you want, if you have enough - but sometimes you can get what you want for less than you expected. At the same time, some people do just like gambling.

[@stevenviljoen160]

@@animalchin5082 How is playing the game and doing events for pulls any dufferent than grinding for loot drops in games like Borderlands or diablo?

[@seanrasmussen4955]

the game was bad because when you leveled up you felt weaker not more powerful. leveling up was a downgrade that you had to ether grind or spend money to get back the player power you lost from leveling up. the mobs always scaled badly when you leveled up.

[@thefallencomrade50]

Power creep Is insane

[@RegaliaSoul]

"Sir, it is an early access of Paint that you have there."

[@GreyShot254]

It was pretty obvious this would happen from day one. Exactly like all the long dead WoW clones, Why would you switch from the already established game and characters you have for a new game that has no guarantee to live long?

[@korymoore8041]

So I was cool with the waiting for junk and time frame and junk. My biggest issue with the whole thing was it not being on consoles, aside from pc. They should've went the same way genshin did, release on almost every single device. If they made it available on ps4/ps5 and Xbox I can most certainly see it pop a bit.

[@Sanctifiers]

Path to Nowhere? Tower of Fantasy? "I don't even know who you are." -Thanos

[@SevenHunnid]

Im a regular hood dude doing food reviews on my KZbin channel cx

[@GameplayTubeYT]

Whales feels good when the dominate the Game and like the feeling of becommost powerful in the server!

[@renatomarxs]

TOF is not in a critical state and a massive decline is expected with every game nowadays I'm still playing and enjoying it, there's a lot of new content coming out and they're fixing all the bugs it looks fine to me '-' every now and then there is a doom post on reddit saying the game is dead and youtubers complaining about everything, but that happens since the first week xD just play it and get your own conclusions

[@Warfoki]

Honestly, them *losing* players in the Holiday season, with a new content drop to boot is pretty much a death spiral.

[@wildannurm3739]

KZbinrs complaining because the game is in decline despite it already in bad spot for both revenue and playercount. If level infinite keep ignore all of this then ToF might as well be closed by LI

[@Slania227]

I quit because of the timegating. my favorite thing to do in genshin is to get 100% exploration in every zone. timegating it that way took a lot of the wind out of my sails. The story was also unforgivably bad, to the point where the game would have looked a lot more competent if they removed it entirely.

[@Penguin-cd2is]

I didn't even know this game came out this year

[@srdjdjdjdjsjs9383]

its 2023, my guy

[@Vormelon]

This only reason this popped off was cause it came out during a huge Genshin drought right before 3.0 Sumeru.

[@alkarana8106]

gigachad size update for mobile 9gb. a lot of my crew stop playing at the time. "1 montnh ago last login"

[@ShinoHanamisa901]

Ah the one that hype Blue Protocol to the moon.....

[@phase1254]

23:00 This is interesting because ALMOST all of my games is a gacha game, but I went on F2P on all of them. I can say I am glad that I did that