Town Center - AoE Podcast with TheViper & Masmorra feat. Dave - Ep. 10

[@donaldfarquar]

Podcast is really growing fast, can't believe they got Jean Bureau. French hero and legendary commander.

[@yuuya5985]

11

[@GLAgeOfEmpires]

We were lucky to find time to have him on during his HC training

[@naveendennis]

Next Alpaca! 😄

[@rbase96]

4:00 Dave completely forgot to tell that he signed a blender(/mixer) at the NAC5 matchup and it was given away. So technically the blender giveaway was done there :)

[@GLAgeOfEmpires]

true!

[@jonskog7263]

There was also a blender giveaway in Switzerland when Dave was casting at the HeroFest in October.

[@ashley-paul]

7:55 "Our tournament structure is not 100% based around competitive integrity." 11 Dave gives no Fs. I love it.

[@ComboWombo13]

i think you meant 17:55

[@Loserfr]

and they both aknowledged that

[@jeremykothe2847]

I'm a simple man. I see Town Center and I click like.

[@SomebodyElse-43197]

I press H

[@Nesque]

Dave's chat is the best thing on twitch, just getting to be dumb and having your sillyness encouraged is a kind of rare thing, I always have a good time with Dave.

[@jamesvader7951]

The mod theory can be tested! Patch the game when the dlc drops, do not start it. Disconnect your device from the internet. Start the game. Old background? Jackpot!

[@momobo5889]

Exactly! Waiting for the next menu background mod to drop to test it (hasnt been one since the DLC)

[@paweborkowski6959]

My favourite episode so far. Love that Dave spoke his mind, even if sometimes at the expense of others. Love that Viper spoke back. Love that there was a discussion instead of everyone agreeing on everything. Many interesting ideas, topics, viewpoints. Excellent job guys.

[@gebhard128]

Great to have Dave in this episode, he is my favorite caster in the scene and a fantastic entertainer. News on AoM retold is definetly one of the things im hyped the most for this week

[@fahim-ev8qq]

Interesting that while there’s this idea that HC can’t draw viewers with less familiarity with the game (because they won’t be invested in the hidden identities given that they don’t know many players anyway) the first tournament i ever watched and my introduction into the AOE competitive scene was HC4 and i was hooked immediately. The idea of hidden identities was just so interesting and unique to me and i wanted to see whether the big names such as viper or Hera that people were claiming would win or make it deep into the tournament, would actually win, or whether due to the seeding an underdog would win. Just the idea was amazing and hooked me, even though i had no idea who any player was, all i knew was that there are favourites and underdogs.

[@ar1sm70]

Always a pleasure to listen to Dave, he's the most likeable dude in a scene full of likeable dudes :)

[@shed_aoe5878]

To add to Masmorra's point at 11:10 about teams being supported, the Taiwanese team TAG currently has sponsorship and multiple professional/fulltime players within the team trying to improve. I think Wayne Chang might be a solid interview candidate for upcoming episodes

[@gonzalotoscano3310]

Just came here for Dave, never heard of this new guy called TheViper before. Thanks for the episodes, had to move here since you stopped posting the podcasts on your main channel Masmorra, will follow you where you go!

[@GLAgeOfEmpires]

The Podcast was never on Masmorras channel. His interviews are not the same format as this one.

[@TheCptNutter]

Love the format of these podcasts, with Viper and Masmorra as "regulars", plus a new guest each week. The insights, stories and jokes from Dave was great and really made me laugh. Can't wait for the next podcast. Thanks!

[@DM-rc4yu]

It's hilarious how different the vibes are in Dave's chat compared to other aoe streamers peepoDegen

[@bars5555]

There was an online radio show from the custom scenario lobby back in the msn zone days. Then you had limewire stuff too which was basically proto-podcasts. There was php-nuke websites which had audio widgets. This game always had a lot of people on the cutting edge, this is why we are still here today :)

[@klaxxon__]

"What's hidden cup if viewers really aren't familiar with the players behind the hidden names". It's actually amazing for learning about the players and the scene. I first got into watching competitive age during hidden cup 3 and it was so much easier than getting into other esports. All the speculations teach you a lot about the players. Viper was the micro master, MBL was unconventional if a bit clumsy, daut was slower but incredibly respected...Also, if you tune into a random Starcraft tourney, all the Zergs seem to you. HC is all bout the differences between the players. So fun.

[@rickychardzz]

Viper is the quick wall master, liereyy is the micro.

[@tomtenthij5676]

I am so Happy that this community is so Friendly, God bless, feels like a gem!!

[@BramVanroy]

Really love that we get a better insight into the guest's perspectives and lives with the more personal questions. Very happy with the podcast! Keep it up!

[@krillindiesagain]

Correction. At 15:00, dave mentions that seb lost to andy in quali 2 which is not the case. He beat andy in quali 1 and lost to situax in quali 2. seb has been the better player atm against andy (beat andy in hc5 quali)

[@Dawnrim]

He figured out the way to not have a heart attack like our parents or destructive mental issues like those younger than us is to be a self-declared lazy person who does just enough: Dave is the standard-bearer for us millennials

[@giopi6]

Nelson’s questions are really well made and interesting! Keep it up guys, this is incredible quality

[@ellycat5703]

Actually want to see these 7 videos of Dave and the Viper getting Dave's record back!

[@HimanshuJindal1989]

Great podcast! Keep it going.

[@tomtenthij5676]

It really feels like you're watching on the computer screen, "like you're sitting at the table"Makes you really feel part of the community!!!

[@davidpereira5969]

The end of 3rd last topic is why i'd say dave is my favorite aoe2 caster. His casts have a great mix of talking about the game seriously while analyzing gameplay, talking about the game and going way too deep into celt tower creep or aztec xolotl rush and just messing around and having that "chill streamer who just dicks around" with moments like using a firestarter when you go do number 2 on your date's home

[@markburke1396]

What a great podcast and wonderful episode, genuinely didn't want it to end. I could've watched these guys talk for hours. great vibes 🙂

[@waylandertheslayer3259]

Love the podcast. Really great to hear from Dave. Keep up the good work fellas!

[@jeremykothe2847]

Dave, after T90. Let me rephrase that... along with T90, is why I watch this game. The reason they're so good together is that T90 gives every shit, and Dave gives none.

[@jeremykothe2847]

And if we ever lost Dave, it would be worse than losing Nili. I love Nili, but Dave brings that everyman perspective and just has FUN.

[@Cheximus]

​@@jeremykothe2847Dave and T90 are almost interchangeable. Nili is a completely different flavour (I prefer him tbh). Miss that dry wit. It barely exists now with Nili gone.

[@McVaySwifty]

One thing I think the discussion missed on the HC qualifiers was T90 increasing the size of the prize pool. Definitely would have motivated the players to grind that bit harder compared to previous tournaments.

[@killerre5]

just on the success of hidden cup. its not just unique to AOE2, its unique to esports as a whole, and thats interesting even to people who arent AOE2 fans. that has alot of reach. there will definatley be drawbacks, but at the same time its so unique its something that should be cherished

[@jaydenleslie4431]

Dave is good fun. Was a good town center today. Cheers

[@darrickmartin300]

Love all of this!

[@gmat4380]

Great podcast as always! Also to think there could be potentially hundreds of thousands of people at least launching the game each month is awesome to hear. Hope it's true!

[@ColinAoC]

Viper showing off his winter beard. Looking good!

[@GLAgeOfEmpires]

Fun fact, first thing he said when he came into the house was that he needs to shave.

[@2cunem]

Thanks gl for the podcast. The thoughts of the guests also the cast i rly interesring❤

[@AlexB-vt5xe]

Many many thanks for another episode, like always really enjoyable :)

[@valinagabrielle]

Greag to hear you guys, as always!

[@moritzmonska9912]

Love this episode so much. Agree, that we need some more creativity on the ladder, in streams and tournaments. Also agree on the masteridea, needed just to be structure launched by microsoft with a small pricepool generated by their income. Easy win für alle und kind of a academy for rookies 🤔

[@TimClauson]

Previously there was a discussion about the lack of cohesion in planning tournaments particularly S tier tournaments. I'd like to hear a bit more about what could be done to help create a more cohesive S tier calendar. It's what the scene needs to take things forward and make everything better than it already is.

[@OytheGreat]

I think 1mio active players could be right. I also spotted in the mod centre the most downloaded mods were the backgrounds from the expansions, with 1.2mio dls. I would be surprised if there were much less active players, in fact.

[@esdalan7922]

Insightful as usual. Keep up the great work!

[@kyotokid]

Great podcast!

[@FastFeudal]

dave is such a chad. great episode

[@sweetlittlenerd]

Good moderation :)

[@Chris_Taru]

On the topic of monthly active users and why there are so many more offline players: AoE2 is one of the few online games where your own experience depends on the hardware and internet connection of other players. This is in my opinion a major technical flaw that most high-level players only rarely experience, because they primarily play each other. But casual players will regularly run into massive FPS drops and lags, despite excellent hardware and internet connection. Also the performance test on ladder doesn't seem to change much there. Also how much would it really cost MS to give some love to the "custom game" lobbies? There's so much untapped potential in the less competitive ways of playing Age of Empires, particularly for casual players. Think of all the community game modes that streamers like to host and what could be done with a lobby system that embraces these concepts. The entire community could benefit so much from that.

[@bonevgm]

The reason why I like to watch Dave stream is exactly because he is not forcing himself and he enjoys the streams. That is what makes his silly streams fun and the best.

[@angryxeuz]

Dave's viewer are there for rehab from real life 😂

[@Randomvideos-tz9su]

SoTL in the next podcast?

[@GLAgeOfEmpires]

Trying hard for it!

[@roscaris6541]

​@@GLAgeOfEmpiresKeep trying!

[@2Forced]

Love the content fellas, awesome format keep em coming!

[@kathreune]

Favorite episode so far!! Such likable dudes. 😊

[@TheModernSinatra]

Great podcast as always!

[@jacobwood3326]

Awesome content-thank you!!

[@jhsluh1124]

So Great! Looking forward to the next episode 🫶

[@Jan-d7l8p]

I would love a co-op campaign DLC!

[@illume777]

Amazing podcast. Love it.

[@tomtenthij5676]

1:01:01 Congratz Dave For the Good ruN!!!!

[@DT-yt2zh]

KZbin matters because it doesn't lag and skip, and Twitch does.

[@FelixDelix77]

man, i just love dave. definetly check out his stream. you could even win a blender

[@udanamethmal6632]

Does anyone remeber that famous debate we had weather that dress was blue and black, or white and gold? Here's a question for you, what color is Dave's forehead? Pink or White?

[@charleyruwart8983]

I love this show.

[@iuppiterr]

3:57 well said Silver boy

[@krishkothari111]

Love this bald guy!! Best of luck Dave❤

[@Payhellbay]

Of course we have to hit the bell! It's a Town Center! Ring that bell people!

[@GLAgeOfEmpires]

Back to work!

[@tomtenthij5676]

1:11:53 Yeah we Take for Granted all the time that the casters for us, but it IS really an achievement to cast for 8 hours straight without taking a break

[@SirMayonnaiseAoe]

Making me love Dave even more ❤

[@joshuanunthuk1864]

new gl podcast drops, i click

[@oll-turny-llo8200]

Great podcast with "bell" ❤

[@nicholascrooks8465]

45:08 Increased Sales of Red Bull in little places like Blanchardville, WI 53:40 I have bought 3 copies. 1 for me and 1 each for my children. JK but for real I switched from Monster to yellow Red Bull because of their sponsorship.

[@Mermaidkilla]

amazing episode! A question: Would it be possible to upload the episodes faster to spotify?

[@GLAgeOfEmpires]

Thank you! Atm after 48 hours is the earliest we can do, since the upload to Spotify is mostly for listener convenience. Might change in the future though!

[@SocksyyAU]

xfire and Hamachi, that sends me back 11 Clan wars on Halo Trial and Halo custom edition FeelsStrongMan

[@KurtFan69]

it's true that he is so different when he's casting a big event than in his own stream on whatever day😅 cool to hear from dave, hope he does another WWC or that he can manage to do something more ambitious!

[@PossiblySean]

The blender and Toaster cup were hosted by StreamingInTheYears(ex aoe streamer) a few years back! Dont know if this is linked to it too :)

[@bunga6475]

as always, excelent podcast

[@GarfieldRex]

Plans for Sunday: Pizza and HC5 👌 already told my gf thr TV will be busy for a couple of hours, she will read manga.

[@Bobby.B619]

Really great episode.

[@erikbringsjord4734]

Love the podcast. Looking forward to HC5

[@HQbaracuda]

I wonder if Dave played Command and Conquer, because without glasses, he legitimately looks like Joseph D. Kucan aka Kane

[@AoLIronmaiden]

Age of Mythology Retold!!!!!!!

[@s3rrated533]

Im probably just misinterpriting what you guys actually mean by active/live player counts but you can get a healthy stat from the steam charts for peaks per month, all time peaks etc wouldnt count Xbox app purchased users but its a number

[@MasmorraAoE]

Yeah so Steam charts only show how many people are playing at any given time. We were talking about "unique monthly users", so that's people that play at least one game of AoE 2 per month. Interestingly enough, I recently got confirmation event mods (like main menu background) are only downloaded once you start the game, so the 1 million guess is probably close enough!

[@akselst]

39:50 Although I love t90 and his casts, I have to say it's not the same without Dave. That duo is what got me interested in the pro scene, many years ago at this point.

[@tomtenthij5676]

Wow the Dave screen :O

[@GLAgeOfEmpires]

Custom made

[@AgeofPathing]

[@tomtenthij5676]

5:10 Love it!!!

[@joacocichello]

Sebastian will be the next legend

[@mightybeko]

Prostagma, Prostagma (AOM), Only Legends understand it

[@FelixDelix77]

i like this podcast

[@lukas_613]

So excited to hear that the AoE poopcast may not actually be dead !!

[@BNCITY4ever]

Finally!!!

[@GuerardClément]

Love your podcast. Keep your good work. Gg

[@tomtenthij5676]

Congrazt on your Birthday in "2" days dave 🎉🎉🎉

[@jordanthoms887]

I dont know how they measure viewership for the tourny, but id bet that with T90 having so much YT content lots of people are stumbling on AOE matches while actually just looking up historical events and characters. IE people looking into historical events on youtube pertaining to Little John, Pope Leo I, will stumble upon a AOE match early in the tourney and end up watching the finals on twitch etc least thats what ive thought about y this tourney draws such big numbers.

[@brolafdanaross9787]

Mandatory Jean Bureau comment

[@liamsmalley5556]

With regards to Steam auto updates, this also is impossible if people currently have the game uninstalled in their steam Library, which many people probably do. Most sales estimators (which are fairly reliable) have DE's total sales at anywhere from 2.9m to 4.5m. It seems very unlikely that there are 1 million unique users within a given month.

[@MasmorraAoE]

Just got confirmation event mods are only downloaded once you open the game! 😊 So unless someone comes up with some hole in the theory..The 1 million active playerbase is "*probably*" in the right ballpark!

[@xRaCeRx]

Can we have the podcast in google podcast? Would appreciate

[@tomtenthij5676]

1:04:37 The Dave Culture" 😂😂

[@fasstaerke]

best thing about the HC qualy really is BABA's rise, its, of course, a nice underdog story, sadly he didnt make the main event with a very hard draw playing hearttt (didnt expect him to win against seb), really unlicky cause I believe there are other Bo7 looser he could have beaten

[@allenbythesea]

would love to see a wandering warriors 2 tourney.

[@dylandoty3596]

Love Dave

[@zackc3767]

People who play single player will totally drop money on *good* campaigns. If they can replicate campaigns with the feel of the OG campaigns (especially with power fun civs like Mongols or Franks) they will sell if they're reasonably priced (like 3 campaigns for 10$ initially). Give me another full Mongol campaign and I'll give you money.

[@kartiksaraf4676]

The mod download number is probably way off because with every update you have to download the mods again. That should cut the number into half or third depending on how many pacthes happened during that time

[@MasmorraAoE]

a) the number was over 1 million 5 weeks after the DLC release, was there any update during those 5 weeks? can't recall... b) even if there was, my understanding is that mods are *disabled* but not actually *deleted* after an update, so nobody would be downloading it more than once

[@kartiksaraf4676]

@@MasmorraAoE well that's very encouraging. I don't know when the mods get deleted and disabled. Sometimes I can turn on the mods immediately and sometimes it takes some downloading. In any case these are crazy numbers.

[@kartiksaraf4676]

@@MasmorraAoE from a quick google search - the DLC was on Oct 30 and there was a patch on 11 Dec. So in a worst case we are looking at 400-500 thousand players and 800-900 thousand in the best case assuming 100 thousand of them were from steam auto download, though this could be a lot higher

[@MasmorraAoE]

@@kartiksaraf4676 strong numbers for sure!