Toyota BZ4X & Subaru Solterra get BIG changes after false claims

[@davidnicholson6901]

I had my Subaru Solterra upgraded recently and the result is a significant improvementThe percentage is now visible on the console. Further, the range for my trim (the higher one which includes 20 inch wheels as opposed to 18 inch)) as given by the guess-meter is now 420 km (252 miles) which is pretty well consistent with the trip-meter.Of course this extra range comes at the expense of the buffer. A week ago, with I confess some trepidation, I went on a road trip. It went very well - so that my range angst is lifted. The upgrade ensures that DC charging is now not throttled back until after 3,86 times in a 24 period. A number of journalist (and so-called ones) come with subjective critiscms for example the drivers environment. I really like it and the driving experience is great. I do not like the driver attention sensors irritating beep; no problem I simply turned it off. The build quality of the Solterra (applies to its sister the Toyota BZ4X) is good (certainly better than Teslas ) The narrator is a real moaner; an expert is a person a long way from home!

[@z1az285]

I drove a solterra as a loaner yesterday and I was blown away by the build quality as well as how quiet and refined it was in both eco and power moode. The range to my shock was 280 miles with the climate control off. Of course I haven't driven it in cold weather yet but I would love to try it out in cold conditions too with only the seat heaters on or defrost on. I love the dual x mode feature.

[@wantonfuey1]

He’s a bit of a moaner

[@wantonfuey1]

I’m C I’m not the only one getting more miles than quoted by the manufacturer consistently

[@dandy5091]

But the good news is, the wheels stay on most of the time!

[@TecnamTwin]

​@@stevenjones916 Toyota's the one that claimed that. It's literally the reason for their first recall of the BZ4X.

[@rozonoemi9374]

@@stevenjones916 RIP Toyota.

[@guslevy3506]

The wheels staying on is actually an add-on that you have to pay for…

[@johnnyboy7459]

@@stevenjones916 Like you I have yet to see any evidence that the wheels fell off. Toyota said under certain circumstances the wheel studs could loosen and need retightening.What I took from that was that Toyota were acting in order to prevent a possible accident and of course that constitutes a failure in some peoples eyes. They weren't the first manufacturer to recall a vehicle and they won't be the last . I saw a test done recently where 6 Evs were charged to 100% and driven until they stopped. The test was carried out at the same time and as near as possible to the same conditions.The claimed range from the manufacturer was never achieved .The actual percentages ranged from 75% to 86% of the manufactures figures. The vehicle that achieved 86% had a 90 kWh battery and one other vehicle cost £100000 which managed a range of 208 miles. That's approximately twice the price of a Toyota / Subaru.

[@QuiLe-qw5jb]

🤣🤣🤣

[@gwilymstarks262]

From a BZ4X AWD owner with 8500 miles under my belt (I do about 1200 miles a month approx 70% home charge and 30% fast charge) Toyota for my model claim 286 miles. I have done 242 as my best (last week in warm weather with air con on) so 84% of claim In winter (sub zero temps) the worst I got 195 miles with heater on so 68% of claim I regularly use the motorway and cruising at 70mph Toyota claim 150kw charge speed Best I got was 137kw between 20 and 80% so 91% of claimed speed It does tail off a lot towards 80% Toyota claim 3.9 miles per kw Best I have had over 80 miles of countryside driving is 4.3 miles per kw 110% of claim Worst I have had in winter, with heating on the motorway over 150 miles of driving is 2.9 miles per kw 74% of claim I am not a Toyota fan boy (there are niggles with the car) it is the first Toyota I have owned and I have other cars and bikes so have a very balanced view. Interesting how reviews are done from journalists who get the car for a short amount of time (or maybe not at all), might be worth getting opinions of those who actually own and live with them before you decide whether to buy one or not. Do I wish it charge faster? well yes but 99% of the time it is no issue Do I wish it went further on a charge? not really, it is about right for my bladder and need to drink coffee Is it the best car in the world? No Is it the worst car in the world? No Is it just like every other car that had good and bad points? Yes Do I think Toyota have lied? No but I think just like every other manufacturer they have picked the best results in the best conditions and gone with that. I have never had an ICE car match the claimed MPG either. If the update gives me more range and faster speeds then I will be pleased, if it doesn't well the car is perfectly fine as it is.

[@davidnicholson6901]

Good response, which I identify with being a Solterra owner.

[@avdp9095]

We have had two updates recently, range now 425 a 450km, real world range, 10gr outside. Not bad at all. The motors far more efficient and charging results way better. I like our Solterra, it is a nice car, comfortable and with the updates even a competitive EV, not Tesla EV good but way better build and more comfortable than model Y and VW'S ID4, or Audi's Etron... . Pleased with car, and 10 years warranty as well.

[@adrianglessner5979]

There will ALWAYS be brand loyal customer base with ANY brand. That being said, those will be the ones who put up with the shortcomings of Toyota's electric vehicles to continue supporting "their" brand. Things like that actually hurt the brand more than help, people fail to see that tho.

[@avdp9095]

We had two major updates recently for the Solterra and bz4x, with very good result!!! Far better charging and far better range 425/450km.... that's a good range. Far, far better efficiency of the EV motors almost on par with Tesla's model Y. I have to say, I love the Solterra, ride comfort and now finally a goog EV as well.

[@dangvo1649]

So in order to get an OAT one has to go to a dealer. Love this kind of service from Toyota. Hope this is free of charge.

[@vermontsownboy6957]

hehe heee hahaa haa HAAA!!! Toyota OTAs at the dealer "free of charge?" HAW HAWW HAWWWWW!!! Funniest thing on the internet today!

[@davidnicholson6901]

@@vermontsownboy6957 I have just had this update done for my Solterra. No problem and free of charge.

[@newdawnalex]

Agreed, the idea of limiting fast charging means the vehicle's definitely not for road trips.

[@norfolkngood8960]

How many really drive pike that tho. I get in Australia it's a very different beast than here in the UK but a trips here I've done to theme parks etc has been one rapid charge per day Charge overnight at home Leave early Stop for breakfast and charge Arrive destination I wouldn't buy an EV with a limit on charging tho

[@evisresortatnggatiranaisla1673]

Imagine the a/c losses on Aus when 46 degrees outside!

[@tellyboy17]

..and what that sort of temperatures will do to battery capacity after a few years!

[@user-hz3eu5in]

And imagine those a/c losses under Australian summer sun when you have that utterly idiotic, useless full glass roofs like Teslas have for no reason whatsoever. Those stupid things DO turn into huge red hot ovens right above your head.

[@davidmurphy4459]

My crew have 3 Diesel and petrol, landcruiser, I couldn’t agree more re Toyota aircon ability in these big vehicles, but to put such a poor unit in a questionable EV isn’t going to help them, Once the B S hits the fan here in AUS it’ll spread rather quickly and people will be hot , just trying to get some range output from the car, Please don’t send this EV to US, give us your best not a test dummy 😢

[@rozonoemi9374]

@@user-hz3eu5in Your talking through your hat. Not a problem since it is a solar UV roof!

[@paulholterhaus7084]

Or a Chicago winter @ 20 below..................Paul

[@nicolasfrankboehmer2240]

What about the warranty on the battery? Owners must go to Toyota to get battery checked each year (cost: $500 each year; $5000 for ten years). It is unclear, what it will be done besides reading out the BMS. These "checks" are mandatory, otherwise the warranty is no longer valid. There are lawyers in the US which believe this being a hidden surplus on the buying price - since there is nothing mechanics can/must service on a battery for $500 every year. This, as well, is fishy.

[@leobreevoort9151]

It means Toyota's extended 10 year warranty is not a warranty at all. It's an insurance policy with payments hidden in unnecessary service visits. They could read out the BMS over the air, if they wanted to.

[@rozonoemi9374]

There is no schedule maintenance with Tesla, you get service if defective, that's it!

[@ouethojlkjn]

Hyundai and Kia do something similar. They have strange high cost service requirements to maintain warranty.

[@webcomment8895]

Sounds like you’re lying. Never heard of any such $500 per year battery check.

[@rozonoemi9374]

@@webcomment8895 Because you never heard about it, doesn't mean he's lying!

[@brianthomas2839]

2024 SOLTERRA owner here. I get 4.5m/kWh. With 64 kWh usable battery, that’s 288 miles. Claimed range is 227.

[@howardlee7364]

Rangegate for Toyota.

[@IRLSuperb]

They have gotten too comfortable with their Hybrids relying on the gas engine to maintain a “minimum range expected” that they got LAZY with 100% EVs. They didn’t bother to follow Tesla on its battery thermo-management are now losing a huge amount of range in cold and hot weather. Toyota is just forgot that there is real demand for pure EVs and people will not eat their BS. They need to stop being lazy and actually put effort on their EVs (but we all know Toyota doesn’t care for EVs

[@rozonoemi9374]

@@IRLSuperb Toyota is so lazy, they had the Chinese build there EV!

[@paulholterhaus7084]

@@rozonoemi9374 "THEIR" EV...............there is a place....................Paul

[@musk-eteer9898]

@@paulholterhaus7084 we all knew what he meant.

[@xFactoryUSA]

It's on purpose, the ceo hates ev

[@skirolf]

Please note the highest temperatur meassured in norway is 35,7 degrees Celsius

[@misaelramos83]

My bZ has a lifetime consumption of 3mi/kwh and that's with 8500 miles and at least 1500mi of not just highway miles but actual long distance. It's true that it doesn't achieve EPA range but it gets close and it's actually pretty livable. Things that will get you are using the heater too much (it helps to always have the recirculator on once it's warm) and just the cold in general. Driving in 70-85° recently the car performed very well achieving mid 3.x mi/kwh with some AC on the highway. Not bad 🤷🏾. Now, I did do a drive that was done at freezing temps and yeah it didn't get good efficiency like 2.4mi/kWh. I hadn't discovered the recirculator trick yet tho. 😊

[@vijaykumar-m5p4s]

It’s great to see Toyota making improvements to the bZ4X. Despite any past concerns, these updates make it even more reliable and better for everyday use.

[@tellyboy17]

Always subtract at least 30% of any WLTP range claim, it is a dynamometer test with no real world relevance.

[@tomooo2637]

No, all tests are a standard route driven within 3% of a scripted amount. The proportion of highway, urban driving etc is different between the US,EU and asian tests and are exactly the same in ICE and EV cars. As with ICE cars, it is rare for anyone to match the efficiency figures quoted as the tests are artificial and don't take into the other morons on the road. The real wold differences are well published, and for most Tesla it is about 12% drop, many around 8-10%, while the Porsche taycan is +35% MORE than the EPA range. The EPA is the closest to ICE and EV ranges.

[@wantonfuey1]

I’ve been leasing the Subaru base model for a couple months now and I found my mileage is 260to 280 when using the manual paddle shifters aggressively. That’s almost a 30% increase from what is quoted by the manufacture. Rarely does such an event happen in marketing where you underpromise and outperform

[@wolfgangwesseler1765]

Due to this General Problem of driving range I have decided in Oct. 2020 to order a Mirai, got it at 26.3.21 and now after more than 61000 km for me it is not problem to drive f.ex. Utrecht to Berlin. 650 km in 6.07h and it is no problem to drive a 24 Hour Race from Berlin to Amsterdam to Brüssel to Paris or Vienna.

[@rozonoemi9374]

At what cost?

[@willchu]

Final nail in the coffin for Toyota.

[@paulgoffin8054]

#rapidgate - means Toyota's thermal management system isn't up to the job. That's not a software issue.

[@Wonky4925]

I've had my Premium bZ4x for 6 weeks. The tech pisses all over a model 3. I get around 180 miles a full charge and around 4 miles per kW if I drive like Miss Daisy with regen and eco on and all the heating and a/c off. The fast charing speeds are shit though with around 28 to 40 kW on a 100kw charger. It goes back to dealer this Monday for the update.

[@dodgemf1]

Congrats on your purchase, I note it's not difficult to do better than the model 3, it's a piece of shit.

[@Wonky4925]

@Raiders my Bz4X has now.had the latest software update. Now shows 282 miles range per full charge, it doesn't take such a massive hit now as well when you put A/C or heating on, so capable of a half decent road trip now. Plus some bustard had put a whooping scratch down one of the doors.

[@davidnicholson6901]

@@Wonky4925 Just got the upgrade a couple of days ago for my Solterra. full charge range now 420 km (416 km) was the range claimed when I got the car (highest trim lower range and 20 inch wheels). I like the car.

[@edwardkon939]

Sam, Toyota will not be able to claim the king of the hill in Australia and elsewhere too.

[@Hayles6677]

That’s dreadful. Won’t be getting one of these then

[@dougsheldon5560]

Sam, there's a good article in Cleantechnica today on how the new California fleet EV truck rules. They will take diesel heavy trucks off the road in California, equivalent in CO2 emissions to taking 90 coal fired plants offline for an entire year. FYI, cheers

[@rjp1967]

I bought a BZ4X last November 2022, it was a great car to drive...As long as you didn't want to drive too far...Last July 2023, I traded it in for a Rav4 PHEV and took the hit of €15,000. The Rav4 PHEV is a far superior car, it has a real range of 85 - 90 km in EV mode, which is more than enough for daily city driving and then an ICE for long road trips, when you don't want to wait a few hours to recharge...Also, the range only drops by about 4 - 5 km with the AC on. So if you haven't bought a BZ4X yet, or as I grew to call it, "The Toyota Regret" I would strongly recommend the best of both worlds and get a PHEV!

[@HermanWillems]

Why do you need to buy a Toyota by all means. I never care about brand. Because many brands also share parts work together. It's bullshit to be loyal to a brand. I now drive a Tesla Model 3 though and the range is the best. Those RAV4 PHEV cars are easy to steal though. Is your insurance extra high? :)

[@SickocrowAU]

"Software update"... So they'll nerf the utter bejezuz out of it and make it a slug. I drive an old POS SH Forester, and the Solterra is a bad joke in comparison.

[@jamie-ck6js]

In the UK at least, one of the nice things about the bz4x is that it is dirt cheap to insure, for me it is even cheaper to insure than ICE. Another well known EV is becoming almost uninsurable it is so expensive.

[@norfolkngood8960]

That statement means turn HVAC on and range drops by 100 miles. That's not an actual range reduction it's just a GUESS. They say it'll get more accurate because the car either learns or they're planning more updates. To be honest anyone familiar with EVs knows the range is on the GOM the guessometer. It's not reducing the range by working out consumption figures etc it's just saying oh the Aircon is on cut 100 miles off that'll do

[@tonyha9979]

I complaimed to corporate and they just gave me a vague excuse. No facts about the charging speed or range. Not achievable under any conditions. Horrible

[@robertsnorrason2494]

I live in Denmark and I've tried the Subaru Solterra. I'm a huge Subaru fan so it was great news to hear Subaru join the electric "club". I knew it would be a 1st gen, so full of faults, despite the Subaru reps' bombastic statements to the contrary. Lovely car, but the terrible range and very high price tag makes it a hard car to sell, even to a die-hard Subaru fan. But let's see what happens in the next 2-5 years - I'm sure there will be big improvements. Maybe they'll even replace that horrible piano varnish......

[@tomdrewenskus8167]

This BZ4X is what you get when the company has been in denial about EVs for the last 10 years, and instead tries to push hybrid & hydrogen solutions. Toyota is 5-10 years behind Tesla & the ~100 Chinese EV makers with no chance of ever catching up. The decade will not end well for Toyota or any of the Japanese legacy auto makers. In fact, Japan is at serious risk of losing its entire auto industry and tanking its entire economy. Mr Akio Toyoda may be even dumber & dishonest than Mary BS Barra, though I didn't think that was possible.

[@borshardsd]

And to think, toyoduh sold tons of tesla stock and cut ties with tesla way back. Hindsight is funny.

[@tomdrewenskus8167]

@@borshardsd Yes, bad decision by Toyota. Tesla showed them how to make the RAV4 EV in 2012-2014, any most of these are still on the road on the West Coast. There is one in my neighborhood near Seattle.

[@RedSinter]

Toyota doesn't like giving you sometimes necessary info concerning parts like thickness concerning disc brake rotors.

[@musk-eteer9898]

same situation as the chevy bolt, toyota will try to tweak the charge time a range until their battery become a fire mess, or worst yet all of the wheels will fall off. why don't they just admitted that they cannot do BEV instead of one lie after another

[@chriscochrane6319]

I am lead to believe that the ford lightning has even greater reduction in cold weather range dropping to 90-120 miles

[@viking1au]

Why are you surprised? Toyota have told lotsa lies for a long time.

[@bigrobsydney]

Sam, could you please make a recommendation of what you WOULD buy instead? Same price point, with maybe a few options on the car (metallic paint, sunroof, etc).

[@YTYTYTY7]

ioniq 5. The best EV with long wailist😂

[@rozonoemi9374]

@@YTYTYTY7 Don't forget to get your servicing done by Hyunday or the warranty will be void!

[@timsmith5339]

I still don't understand why the WLTP figure is so different. The only way it could be, is if Toyota made all of these changes after the car had been range tested, surely?

[@freas8520]

Coming from a former Subaru fanatic fanboy here, you must understand that this is Toyotas & Subarus attempt to do lousy EVs in order to tell people: "See, EVs are crap! Buy our Hybrids instead, that we make much more money of." The most I did was eight fast chargings with my old Tesla Model X 2016 during a 16h period. When driving from Sweden to Denmark during summer vacation we made three to six fast chargings per day, for two weeks. The more we charge, the faster it receives because optimal temperature. But that only applies to EVs with real temperature management. I'm still at Toyota/Subaru bankrupt before 2025 unfortunately.

[@paulholterhaus7084]

The Ugly dash/steering/screen setup is what would discourage Me.....They need to do more standard...............Paul

[@davidnicholson6901]

I quite like the setup. Drive the Solterra - very comfortable. Question of taste?

[@baldisaerodynamic9692]

this vehicle is a joke. i said it when it was recently re-released. over priced, under delivering, under specced....trash.

[@TecnamTwin]

And yet, some people are still buying them. Toyota's not dumb to sell it if there are blind brand loyalists willing to buy it.

[@rb8049]

I was all for Japanese manufacturers. Until 2016 when Honda didn’t have LED lighting and their dash was all about bling. Last purchased was a used Accord. That will be the last Japanese vehicle purchase. Tesla is soooo much better. It was worth the price difference. No you can get a Tesla with incentives for less. I’ll never buy anything but Tesla from now. Tesla is a USA company and they try to build locally as much as possible. Love it!

[@oscara8111]

Well both the Toyota and Subaru are off my list. Sad as we don't really have much choice for a decent Off road capable SUV.

[@GolLeeMe]

I think this is the same with many other EVs, in general terms. Real world is best figured at 80% of claimed until you can test higher for yourself. That’s the safest way of planning a longer range trip. Reading real world tests is a great way of calculating what you can expect. Although this sounds worse, most people will only notice range on longer trips. Given that the average trip is less than 100m in urban driving you may not see it all that often. Melbourne to Brisbane will most likely include a stop over. Maybe not. You have to think very carefully on all long road trips and if the vehicle can’t charge quickly enough, then don’t buy it. If it does not have the real range, YOU needs then once again, don’t buy it. Every EV expert should already know this, and I am surprised that its come as a revelation that long EV trips require planning. Subaru is 4 wheel drive only and I think that’s a reasonable difference.

[@johnnyboy7459]

As an EV driver in the UK if I choose to go on a journey of around 200miles I have to plan a scheduled stop. Being of a certain age I couldn’t drive 200miles without having a break so it’s not a problem. I drive a Solterra and it’s easily the best Subaru I’ve owned. EVs are not for everyone it’s dependent on your personal circumstances. Many people have their own agenda for hating EVs and many have never even driven one. As far as I know, nobody has reported their wheels falling off and I can confirm that my wheels are definitely attached. Talk about giving a dog a bad name. As Sam reported recently Mercedes in China had faulty electric motors and the Chinese government had to step in to get Mercedes to solve the problem. Tesla owners report problems as do Hyundai.

[@rozonoemi9374]

I don't have to plan a long trip, my Model 3 does it for me!

[@johnnyboy7459]

I use google maps or Zap Map but usually local knowledge

[@djtaylorutube]

Pretty much the same as most ICE vehicles too which do a standard test and rarely achieve in use the same claimed mileage.

[@jimgraham6722]

At a cruising speed under 100kmh, my Atto 3 LR will comfortably do 350km with a reserve. Based on a number of longer trips I have done, I estimate the drop dead range to be about 420km. At speeds over 100kmh the available range drops quickly at roughly 10% off for every 10kmh over 100. Maximum range speed is around 90kmh.

[@b3arwithm3]

I sat inside it and left without teat driving it. The bulki center console makes ot feel tight. And the steering wheel is hiding the front screen. Terrible desig

[@lindband]

Even Tesla has wrong range, from where I live to London is 80 miles, I had 214 miles of range, on the way back I have to charge to get to home, I think is 30% less range then the car tell you.

[@coolandmellow]

Thank you for pointing out why you shouldn't by any electric car yet ,they are 5 years away from becoming viable . Period.As i said the Lucid air is the only car that maybe considered as it has a 500mile+ range maybe with little AC usage

[@swanvictor887]

Ridiculous comment. There are over a million Tesla drivers who seem to be managing perfectly well and are you really telling me you drive 500km per day - without stopping??

[@coolandmellow]

@@swanvictor887 no but i fill up once every 10 days ))and if I took a 900 mile road trip i fill up once in 5 min.

[@danyboy86]

​@@coolandmellow Gas still is, and may still be faster to recharge for decades to come, but that doesnt mean electric is not viable. With an electric car you can charge at home, takes 15sec to plug, and avoid going to charge every 10 days. Sure, roadtrips are still way easier with gas, but there are many other advantages with electric. I would call them viable.

[@edwyncorteen1527]

I have been happily driving EVs since 2017, they are perfectly viable, can you drive further than 200 miles without stopping? Not safely, so a quick 30 minute stop and a natural break and you are on your way, day to day do you got that far? Again unlikely so a charge overnight is all you need.

[@rozonoemi9374]

If you don't have a Lucid yet, better buy soon before they are gone or to pricey.

[@MrRichfarmer]

I live in the UK, a few miles from a Toyota car manufacturing plant. I’m really concerned for those that work there. What will the future look like? Given Toyota’s blinkers. Perhaps the best hope is for Tesla or some other EV manufacturer to buy the site from Toyota

[@alanpeterson6768]

Maybe it's an okay car for around town, but a useless car for road trips. Even a Bolt is better. I agree with you. Who would want one?

[@elthamtreehugger5320]

Toyota just keeps screwing up and spinning marketing lies to its customers

[@nilomaia4851]

Let's just hope Toyota is not going down the same path as in a Dieselgate with these different results (test X reality).

[@m_sedziwoj]

We should stop use kW as charging speed. What we should use is time from 10% (or 20%) to 80% divided by range it give (or otherwise) so get how much range you get in given time, because this is only important for driver. And maybe miles/km per kWh so we know efficiency. Both are only metric which should interest owners. Because how big battery is or how much kW charging it can do, have nothing to how you use it.

[@jonathanfields4ever]

Percentage makes even less sense than kW. If you want a universal standard that makes it easy to compare, it should be miles per minute or something.

[@m_sedziwoj]

@@jonathanfields4ever you don't understand: 20% to 80% takes 30min and give 300miles of rang => 10miles per minute 20% to 80% takes 90min and giving 180miles of range => 2miles per minute. (yeah, first is more as Tesla, 2nd is more as Toyota) so first is charging 5 times faster. I would ignore first 10-20% because you would never want to go to 0% in real life, and not more than 80% because battery degradation (li-ion are still most popular)

[@jonathanfields4ever]

@@m_sedziwoj nah. That’s more complicated than miles per minute or kW.

[@rozonoemi9374]

If you use time it will not be accurate as the higher the charge is getting, the charging speed decrease.

[@m_sedziwoj]

@@rozonoemi9374 this is why 20->80, so what should be normal way of charging (to not do too much cycles)

[@davidinkster1296]

It sounds like spin & BS to try and hide an inferior product.

[@YTYTYTY7]

In all honesty, Toyota should stop producing this scam.

[@robertbarnes8327]

Viking: If there are (in your opinion) "much better cars for the same price, you would never recommend them, too many more compelling options, faster charging, longer range, better (than these abysmal) interior packaging, small boot, don't see why anyone would want one" then surely this (accurate) summary of yours would warrant something much more critical from you than "they are not terrible cars"............ By every metric you just described: they are indeed utterly terrible cars!

[@MrJinske]

Well that maybe but Kyle Connor of out of spec reviews, and he is the best reviewer on youtube, did his standard 70 mph range test and he got 200+ miles. The other stuff is fluff, his reviews are the best

[@fenrirgg]

Why do you never speak about Honda and Nissan? There must be something to talk about them.

[@DruMcDoo]

Thanks for the update Sam. It's a shame Toyota having sold reliable and great vehicles for so long are now struggling with keeping up and are having to lie about range per charge. That's like cleiming a vehicle can do 50mpg when it can only achieve 30 mpg and 20mpg in cold conditions. Simply a blatent LIE and selling a vehicle which is not 'Fit for purpose'. Would certainly be asking for money back and threaten court action if this was not forthcoming.

[@carlcadogan4510]

What I like about Toyota is their 4WD system which they benefited from Subaru. Hope they get their act together.

[@viking1au]

Maybe a better question is: Why would people buy anything named Toyota anymore? They have told too many lies on too many fronts, for a long time.-----They now seem untrustworthy.

[@brawnbenson552]

Bz4x is not ready for the real world. 😢

[@lumtavon1952]

Shameful and bureaucratic response from once a respectful brand. So called Toyota values flushed away in the toilet the last years.

[@moonsapling]

It is so amusing to see EV enthusiasts already talking about how Toyota will bankrupt because their EV goes 50km less than their beloved Teslas. Lets ignore the fact that nobody sells as many electrified cars as they do - hybrids and plug-in hybrids. When the world truly is ready to shift to EVs Im sure they will be there with good offerings.

[@rbs427]

That’s all actually unbelievable. It’s like Toyota wanted to check a box in the to do list. Why bother with this EV? I expected better from Toyota.

[@xawastin]

Toyota brings a whole new meaning to the word deception over the years. Hence VW. They must think buyers are stupid at this point.

[@dodgemf1]

Whilst Elon takes deposits for cars he refuses to make, he's a conman.

[@midac7069]

You'd have to be crazy to buy a Toyota EV when it is totally apparent that they're negative on EVs. I believe they've actively caused more damage to the EV transition than any other company.

[@dodgemf1]

Be crazy to buy any EV, there fixed it for ya.

[@rjp1967]

This game changing range upgrade isn’t what you think, well, according to Toyota Ireland that is…It doesn’t release any hidden range by removing the buffer. I had the upgrade carried out last Friday and there was absolutely no range difference, I did get the percentage display added and apparently I can now charge, using a fast charger, 3.8 times in a 24 hour period…That’s not too bad living in Ireland, as we can drive coast to coast in about 4 hours, but I’ve booked a trip to France and it’ll definitely be an issue there! The most concerning element of the range of my BZ4X is that when I picked it up in November 2022, it had a 100% charge, with a range of 450kms…(November here is winter)…and now in May, with the temperature considerably higher, I am only getting 409kms on a 100% charge. The range on our Nissan Leaf however has increased by about 20kms, now that the temperatures are increasing…The Toyota service department are unable to explain this to me and even suggested that there is a problem with my home charger…No such problem exists with the leaf mind you and when I said “If there’s a problem with the charger, why does the display say 100%”…The guy scratched his head and said, “I don’t know, its all new to us”. Very reassuring hey? 🙄 In short, if you haven't bought a BZ4X, don't bother

[@scottmcpherson3951]

When you say mass production is a loose term, 2% of Toyota’s production still equates to around 170,000+ units so I think it counts…

[@rossmcgreg6r642]

0.2%

[@rp9674]

2 bad. .2% . So there's a chance!

[@tobytroubs]

Yeah..but Teslas look horrible , if I'm spending that amount of money on a car I want it to look decent , with a decent dash , not a stick on oversized ipad .

[@camf7522]

So the wheels literally and figuratively fall off! Is it ‘diesel gate’ all over again?

[@rozonoemi9374]

Wheelgate!

[@davidnicholson6901]

Wheels never fell off,. myth. Toyota was concerned that it might happen since the vehicle is so heavy. therefore reengineered.

[@camf7522]

@@davidnicholson6901 still a worry that they weren’t engineered properly in the first place, and they had the same concerns with 2 different models.

[@chelseata9525]

You’re a leader in content production! 👏

[@wiggi1968]

Man, this car is so bad, I can't stop watching videos about it 😅

[@marcycami]

U should put a picture of a lemon 🍋 next to it in every scene😂

[@markmarco2880]

Are the CATL batteries not available for Toyota? Honestly, I just don’t understand why Toyota is so wrong about everything electric, and doing so abysmally on the entire front. Is somebody taking a hatchet to this company, or what?

[@Old-Bald-and-Grumpy]

Toyota has been wrong with anything more complicated than 90's simple ICE. First VVT-i were drinking oil like hell. Diesels - apart from 1.4 were so bad, that finally Toyota gave up and started using BMW diesels in their cars. Toyota cars used to be reliable simple cars, now when simplicity is gone due to regulations, so is reliability. Corroded Land Cruiser/Prado main frame anyone?

[@swanvictor887]

So, let me see if I have this correct: for an Over-the-Air- Update....I have to go to the Dealer..??!!! Jesus, Toyota are so screwed.

[@davidnicholson6901]

Not really a problem. I got my Solterra upgraded at the dealers two days ago. No cost of course. The range at 100% is 420km. However, this is the Guessometer value and depends how you drive and the conditions (summer - winter - rain- snow-Ac on) I wonder if some people think the Guessometer value is a true range - compare with the tripmeter.

[@Lifecoach7Ra]

Just a question! How stupid must people be still buying mediocre products that here in Switzerland without any subventions are sold in the price range you get much better value for money?

[@tonyha9979]

Please someone sue Toyota. I would join in on it. They lied to everyone

[@davidnicholson6901]

In legal terms what precisely is the lie?

[@royharkins7066]

Toyota sound pretty naff nowadays , a shame to see such a reputable manufacturer go south .

[@drewthompson7457]

Reviewers are being "shocked" by the EVs performance?

[@Padesha456]

Stay way from this car because the wind pressure it can rise from 1-10 after 10 thousand miles

[@willdutt]

bz4x is more of a byd rebadged. its little wonder there is issues.

[@frankwei8691]

BZ3 uses BYD battery and motor. Bz4x is not bad rebadged.

[@jonathanfields4ever]

BZ4X is Toyota’s effort. It uses Chinese batteries for one model and Panasonic batteries for the other. Both suck.

[@David-bl1bt]

Toyotagate!

[@gzcwnk]

and longevity of the battery? I'll pass. They built a flop, a big flop.

[@alohadave13]

I agree. They're crap.

[@davidnicholson6901]

Interesting comment: have you driven one - do you have experience?

[@robertbarnes8327]

A sign of the future: very shortly I will be trading in my Diesel Subaru Forester for my long awaited Tesla MY LR. Enough said.

[@TheCostofAutism]

Ford dominating the EV Market?? The Tesla Model y outsells the Ford Mach E by a ratio of almost 16 to 1

[@EricLarsWermerssen]

Toyota: Silence ist sexy 😊

[@ajeekarateb]

Noone talks about Toyotas main issue - it peeps all the time. Impossible to live with.

[@dodgemf1]

Who in this country in driving an EV from Melbourne to Brisbane, it's nonsense. We're well aware of how pathetic the infrastructure is. Stop being conned.

[@nickmcconnell1291]

Toyota seems to be using a poorly managed battery pack to run this car. Did they use Nissan's Leaf design? What a POS!

[@jambay4785]

If I buy an EV I'd still like to have a "yoke" steering wheel, preferably wireless, not mechanical steering.

[@gangleweed]

No matter what the doom watches say, Toyota can make cars and is a veritable World beater in that regard........if Toyota makes significant quantities of EV's you can bet your boots they will be world beater cars......the quality will speak for itself.

[@jonathanfields4ever]

Nah. Toyota make good engines, but they’re not good cars at all. Normal build quality, gross plastics, and stinky fabric. They’re like Tesla or Apple. They’re supported by legions of brainwashed fanboys.

[@henvan8737]

Toyota, Oh what a terrible feeling to own a BZ4X.

[@devolstoddart2842]

You couldn’t tell us about the updates without comparing this car to Tesla? I’m not the biggest Tesla fan but I can appreciate that as far as technology Tesla has a great product but instead of trying to be biased let people decide if they want a bz4x or a Tesla, not everyone worships Elon.

[@markanthony3275]

Well, imagine that, false claims about an E.V. LOL!

[@nguyenhanh9479]

toyota is the old nokia

[@chrisborns5972]

Toyota is dying the death of 1000 cuts. 🍿 🍿 🍿 🙃

[@robertn2951]

Don't buy these cars.

[@howardrichburg2398]

How can OEMs kill EVs? Make shitty cars that no one will buy. When I bought my Silverado, it was to get 19/23 mPG. It does. But if it got half I would return it ASAP and demand a refund. It is false advertising to say 400KM and only get 250

[@lesliecarter4295]

Bz4x and bz3 sales are looking good. Anti Toyota channels now pivoting to get the likes and clicks. So funny to watch 😂😂😂😂

[@frankwei8691]

Its the truth that Toyota is way behind Tesla and other EV makers as they are too late to adopt electric. BZ3 is much better than BZ4X by using better tech. BZ4X and BZ3 won't sell well unless consumers have limited other options. I owned 7 Toyotas in past 20 years but switched to Tesla last year. I am not anti Toyota but do hope Toyota engineers work hard to catch up. We can only benefit from competitions as consumers. Tesla plus Bed is not enough.

[@jonathanfields4ever]

BZ4X sales are terrible. What are you talking about?

[@vanmore5124]

If looked after properly, there is no reason older cars cannot go on pretty much indefinitely which is more than can be said for modern complex vehicles which are often rendered uneconomical to repair by electronic failures. Our 15:year old mini clubman diesel is rust free, reliable, fast, comfortable, with 70mpg, £20pa road tax and most importantly, no further depreciation. For fun, my 45 year old sports car is better than new and completely reliable. It has doubled in value since I bought it and due to its simplicity, I can maintain it myself. I don't require any "safety features" and what can be more "green" than recycling it, repeatedly. I have no interest whatsoever in modern cars and certainly will not be wasting my money to buy one. Depreciation more than offsets any savings in fuel costs and building the thing and shipping it here probably exceeds any perceived environmental benefit. Or are we going to accept this nonsense that it will reduce the impact in this country and we can ignore the impact where it was built, where the iron ore was dug up etc

[@dennislyon5412]

Mmmm - sniff the fumes from that diesel exhaust. Keep on keeping on!