Toyota FINALLY Fixed Their BIGGEST Issue | 3 Rust Improvements on Tundra and Tacoma (TNGA-F)

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Tinkerer's Adventure

Tinkerer's Adventure

4 ай бұрын

3 corrosion related design changes that addressed Toyota owners' biggest pain points over the years. Changes applies to new Tacoma, Tundra, Sequoia and all other TNGA-F platform trucks.

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@TinkerersAdventure
@TinkerersAdventure 4 ай бұрын
Great discussions guys! Here are my feedbacks to the top 2 items in your comments: 1. Galvanic corrosion on aluminum sleeve + steel bolt. This was my first reaction as well, but here is what Toyota says about the new control arms in tech training "The bound stopper contact area is placed close to the inside of the vehicle to ensure anti-corrosion performance". I didn't find another piece in between the bolt and sleeve so this is probably the aluminum sleeve itself. Here is my own reasoning, steel on steel corrosion forms ionic bonds through Fe2O3. This is a much stronger bond than mechanical interference created between different oxide. Like many things in engineering, it's NOT binary black vs white. It's usually "how much" under "what conditions". We don't know how Toyota validated this change. As of now, we can only take their words and let time be the judge. And of course, Toyota knows about galvanic corrosion better than any of us. Think how many serviceable steel on aluminum connections there are on the forged aluminum knuckles, control arms and etc. 2. Internal A.D.D is worse off because you need to take the diff apart to replace it. That would be true if we simply move the exact same motor + selector fork mechanism inside. But that is NOT the case. The whole point of the new A.D.D is to vastly reduce the need to touch it at all. Like I said, the common failure mode of the old design is 1. corrosion, 2. solder breaking on the motor. The new magnetic coil swimming in gear oil directly eliminated these 2 failure modes.
@MacGyver2394
@MacGyver2394 4 ай бұрын
Great responses to these comments. I'm on the same page, only time and testing will tell and we'll hope that all these changes are as much for the better as they can be. No design is ever perfect and we'll all continue to make improvements as we go along.
@Sebastian-Lucas
@Sebastian-Lucas 4 ай бұрын
Hey, i ordered my 4-gen Taco as well. Did you say that these new Taco do not need Undercoating having a TNGA-F? Please clarify. Thanks
@daniels2761
@daniels2761 3 ай бұрын
A fiber bearing would have been a relatively cheap addition that would totally eliminate the seizing. But it is probably cheaper for Toyota to omit the part and sell more A-arms.
@scott8238
@scott8238 4 ай бұрын
True story: I was Toyota Journeymen Expert Technician ( I graduated from the Toyota T-ten technical program in auto service) in Minneapolis from 2004-2009 at a large volume dealership (Walser Toyota) . During my time there they had a crew of 3 master techs that would replace about 2-3 frames a day, this is all they did while I worked there during this time. Because of this I have avoided buying another Toyota truck since then so I am glad to see the new frame being released.
@motocross402
@motocross402 4 ай бұрын
My Tacoma frame was inspected and undercoated in MN. It was passed. Years later the truck is undrivable due to the frame still rotting out.
@Winner3ty
@Winner3ty 4 ай бұрын
​@@motocross402 undercoating doesnt work due to how it traps moisture, oil based coatings work better and allow the frame underneath the breathe.
@BaconCruiser
@BaconCruiser 4 ай бұрын
Dang man I have an 08 GX and it looks just as new as my 20 LC, zero rust. We get a lot of snow but they don’t salt the roads here, just cinders.
@quyle9483
@quyle9483 4 ай бұрын
I'm a current journey technician that works on cpo and extended warranty toyotas. And I can confirm that theyre efforts to resolving rust issues still hasn't done shit. Also in minnesota.
@vicaras1
@vicaras1 4 ай бұрын
My 97 Tacoma was a buyback
@twotwentyswift
@twotwentyswift 4 ай бұрын
What most people don't realize is that Dana Corp right here in the USA made all those frames that rusted out on the Tacomas.
@janeblogs324
@janeblogs324 4 ай бұрын
Buy Japanese Toyota only
@SteveBennet500
@SteveBennet500 4 ай бұрын
Yes but which frame did they choose from the catalog? The cheap one, good enough one, or ford tough one?
@tobization
@tobization 4 ай бұрын
Frames are built to Toyota's spec. It's on them and nobody else.
@Ihateironyanddumbusernames
@Ihateironyanddumbusernames 4 ай бұрын
They should've borrowed Nissan's frames
@twotwentyswift
@twotwentyswift 4 ай бұрын
Oh OK 🤣🤣🤣@@tobization
@scotteramsey
@scotteramsey 4 ай бұрын
I spray my Jeep Gladiator twice a year with Fluid Film including inside the boxed frame. This has been done since I got it in 2021. No rust anywhere. Take care of what you have and it will last. I also wash my Jeep a minimum of once a week. That goes a long way too.
@brads1545
@brads1545 4 ай бұрын
This. While Toyota rust is/was a problem, it was very easily solved by annual Fluid Film application.
@RWF_Racing
@RWF_Racing 4 ай бұрын
Fluid filmed my 2007 Tacoma every year, it got the frame replaced in 2016. It only slows the rust, doesn’t stop the rust here in NY. I still have the truck.
@marcpikas2859
@marcpikas2859 4 ай бұрын
@@RWF_Racing. Also has my 06 frame replaced and must keep on rustproofing the new frame regularly or it would melt away. Cheap paint or cheap steel I don’t know what to think. How much would it cost Toyota to galvanize dip before assembly? Less than a recall is my guess.
@ALMX5DP
@ALMX5DP 4 ай бұрын
I truly feel for those who live in areas that get heavily salted roads in the winter. As a west coaster that is quite a rare situation to be concerned with rust after only a decade or two of use. I know this is somewhat off topic, but is there no solution that can keep roads clear without putting an extremely corrosion causing substance down every year?
@brads1545
@brads1545 4 ай бұрын
@@RWF_Racing Was that part of the recall/warranty? Did you have to pay for that out of pocket?
@MrLM002
@MrLM002 4 ай бұрын
This channel is horribly undersubscribed! Keep up the great work man, you'll get the subs and recognition you deserve!
@rotorhead5000
@rotorhead5000 4 ай бұрын
As has already been pointed out in the comments, I don't think the aluminum sleeve in the bushing is a good idea. Dissimilar metals in the presence of moisture are prone to galvanic corrosion, basically chemically welding themselves together. We've all seen it on steel bolts going into aluminum engine, transmission and chassis components for years. A cheaper and easier solution would have just been to add a splining process to the bolts where they ran through the bushing sleeve kinda like Honda has done in the past, the smaller surface area of contact gives the rust someplace to expand without locking it all together. It wasn't perfect, but I've had a lot less trouble with that variety of chassis bolt than the ordinary kind. That said, may be the Toyota engineers know something I don't (a lot of things if I'm honest)
@sepg5084
@sepg5084 4 ай бұрын
Applying anti-sieze would reduce the galvanic corrosion problem. Engines with aluminum blocks still use steel bolts, aluminum wheels still use steel lug nuts, some cars have aluminum control arms that use steel bolts, etc.
@caseyklues
@caseyklues 4 ай бұрын
It’s galvanized steel which is galvanically compatible with aluminum. Just like the bolts in Toyota engine blocks and their aluminum control arms. The coating will wear off after many many years in salt, but there is no better alternative
@rotorhead5000
@rotorhead5000 4 ай бұрын
@sepg5084 I'll be the first to admit that my addiction to the grey/silver paste up here in the great rusty northeast is borderline obscene, but I've never seen it used by a manufacturer. I've had problems with steel parts touching each of the three common aluminum things you've mentioned, wheels corroded into the hubs, bolts breaking off aluminum castings in engines and suspension components, ect. What worries me about this is that those control arm bolts go years without being touched, and don't get the kind if heat cycles that an engine does, so it is kind of a worst case scenario for corrosion, which is largely why they were such a problem on all the prior versions.
@rotorhead5000
@rotorhead5000 4 ай бұрын
​. True dat about no better alternative, I still think they would have been better off to leave the sleeve as steel and spline the shank of the bolt. It's worked startlingly well for honda where I live, and it's such a simple thing I don't know why more manufacturers don't do it. (It wasn't a 100% success rate, but it was leaps and bounds ahead of what fighting with a standard bolt is like)
@krashanb5767
@krashanb5767 4 ай бұрын
They sure don't know jack about corrosion. Aluminum wheels can get stuck to steel hub. Sometimes, plastic separators are installed to eliminate this problem. Steel screws going into aluminum break very often when you try to remove them. I got one I need to drill out right now.
@Doomzdayxx
@Doomzdayxx 4 ай бұрын
For my brothers and sisters that live in the salt belt: They said they "fixed the rust issue" like 25 years ago. Guess what...they didn't! If you buy one of these, GET IT UNDERCOATED. Fluid film or the wax type stuff. DO NOT get a rubberized undercoating
@TheBeatenPaths
@TheBeatenPaths 4 ай бұрын
And don't wait!! Get the Fluid Film on it the day you buy it!!
@gregktm
@gregktm 4 ай бұрын
Drop the term "undercoated". Generically it means rubber coating. Get it rust proofed.
@Doomzdayxx
@Doomzdayxx 4 ай бұрын
@@gregktm No, generically, it means several different types of rust protection, whether water based, asphalt or petroleum. Also, drop "rust proof" from your vocabulary. Nothing is 100% "rust proof". "Rust resistant" is more appropriate. Glad I could help.
@spookytook
@spookytook 4 ай бұрын
How often?
@TheBeatenPaths
@TheBeatenPaths 4 ай бұрын
@@Doomzdayxx Glad you said that lol.
@re-memberer
@re-memberer 4 ай бұрын
2003 hilux here in salty southern Norway 😅 Fluid film mix with old motor oil 50/50 has kept my Hilux pretty much rust free. I just spray inside the frame and round the wheels and chassis every 2-3 years. Fluid film alone, i found, tends to dry out in summer, but engine oil alone tends to wash off too easy. 50/50 seems to be about the right mix. Its all about having liquid oil to creep into any newly formed rust cracks and slow it right down. Most vehicles sold here have had a wax coating in the frames for many years.
@wayneluyt4089
@wayneluyt4089 4 ай бұрын
steel bolt in aluminium bush is probably not a good idea, galvanic corrosion will occur which creates aluminium oxide which has more volume than the parent aluminium and will effectively lock it all together
@seagullsbtn
@seagullsbtn 4 ай бұрын
Worse, you’ll see white rust, evidence of galvanic corrosion, so the suspension arms become instantly immediate replacement items.
@tsslaporte
@tsslaporte 4 ай бұрын
The new bushing looks coated, only time will tell if that will hold up. From an engineering POV im guessing the engineering team did a trade matrix and this design was the winner. Im sure corrosion was an important line item.
@alexs825
@alexs825 4 ай бұрын
Came looking for this comment. Had problems with aluminum body shocks and steel ball bearings and springs in my fox PES shocks. Need to keep it well lubricated
@willschluneger709
@willschluneger709 4 ай бұрын
My first thought, the Landcruiser steel on aluminum E-Brake Bell cranks are notorious for corrosion, which causes them to break
@mark2073
@mark2073 4 ай бұрын
@@willschluneger709 Exactly, that happened with my 4runner, completely seized up
@HAHA.GoodMeme
@HAHA.GoodMeme 4 ай бұрын
Love your videos because I actually still learn stuff as an advanced owner of these platforms. Thank you for making quality content!!
@zarkostekovic6689
@zarkostekovic6689 4 ай бұрын
Aluminum sleeve and steel bolt... Galvanic corrosion is reason that I needed to scrap WW2 bike in excellent condition as screws would not separate from aluminum.
@Levi-mg4nf
@Levi-mg4nf Күн бұрын
Yes, that’s what came to my mind also, dissimilar metal corrosion.
@4WDisLife
@4WDisLife 4 ай бұрын
I see your video being posted and drop everything to watch it first hand.
@surreyhustle517
@surreyhustle517 4 ай бұрын
when replacing and reinstalling cam bolts on any of my toyotas I always apply a thick layer of grease and never had an issue with one seizing up. As others have said will be interesting to see the long term effects with the dissimilar metals and repeatedly getting wet.
@PhilipBlank
@PhilipBlank 4 ай бұрын
Wow mate! What an awesome in-depth review of these details, love the chassis CAD, curious you were able to get your hands on that!
@UrbanOpsOffRoad
@UrbanOpsOffRoad 4 ай бұрын
Hell yeah! Here to learn 🙌🏻 keep up the good work Kai!
@MikeyB00o
@MikeyB00o 3 ай бұрын
Nice to see them finally getting their shit together, if only I could get my 06 Taco fixed...
@isaacsnarr6493
@isaacsnarr6493 4 ай бұрын
Great video! I experienced some frame rust on my old Tacoma, hoping to purchase a 4th gen in the next couple of years and I’m very excited to see they’re taking the rust issue seriously
@channelnamehere4065
@channelnamehere4065 4 ай бұрын
Love your channel! While most other KZbinrs point at car components on video, you point the geeks in all of us to CAR COMPONENTS! MORE MORE MORE!
@brianb.2857
@brianb.2857 4 ай бұрын
Great video. Good to see these much needed improvements to the Tacomas.
@davidwelty9763
@davidwelty9763 4 ай бұрын
After the frame recall, they did coat the frames with anti rust coating well before the new Tundra models came out. The instances of rusted frames have decreased dramatically since about 2018.
@skoolynugenator1802
@skoolynugenator1802 4 ай бұрын
Did they do that on Tacomas and 4Runners?
@ryanpott
@ryanpott 4 ай бұрын
Tacomas and tundras, but not 4runners.... @@skoolynugenator1802
@M.TTT.
@M.TTT. 4 ай бұрын
the coating they put on was like rubber undercoating, which was a mistake
@Rottingboards
@Rottingboards 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for this video, can you talk about the improvements over the years from 2022 to now for the Tundra.
@maddie00537
@maddie00537 4 ай бұрын
Loved watching this. Many thanks! ❤️
@Levi-mg4nf
@Levi-mg4nf Күн бұрын
A heavy once a year application of FluidFilm on the entire underside of my Tundra and 4Runner is what gives me peace of mind regarding rust corrosion. That includes filling up the box frame on the 4Runner with as much FluidFilm as I can spray in there, way more then reasonable but whatever. I buy FF by the bucket and can’t praise it highly enough.
@JamesSmith-zs8fl
@JamesSmith-zs8fl 4 ай бұрын
Excellent content. As always!
@JasonExplainsThings
@JasonExplainsThings 4 ай бұрын
Awesome video as always! Adding the aluminum sleeve is a great change. I wonder if any aftermarket companies make something like that for my 4Runner or 3rd Gen Tacoma.
@JaredBusch
@JaredBusch 4 ай бұрын
that's what I thought! And I'm wondering the same thing! Seems like such an easy change to make (aftermarket LCA's) with that aluminum sleeve.
@flinch622
@flinch622 4 ай бұрын
You could [if bolts are free]... knock them out, clean up & convert any surface rust, then apply something like sp400 to bolt shanks and inner sleeve before reassembly. These things got in trouble because they were assembled dry in the first place, and lets face it: plating/treatments isn't what it used to be on vehicles.
@Eduardo_Espinoza
@Eduardo_Espinoza 4 ай бұрын
sameee
@rushthezeppelin
@rushthezeppelin 4 ай бұрын
Aftermarket poly bushings fixes this issue since they have an inner sleeve that isn't bonded and slips within the bushing material. So even if the cam bolt bonds to the inner sleeve of the bushings it still works (although will be a pain to change out I suppose). I also slathered the cam in marine grease which will hopefully keep that corrosion at bay for a while. I figure anytime I'm in there I will pull the cam bolts and slather them some more. I swapped over to Whiteline poly after having cams seize on my 3rd gen 4runner. Not a perfect fix since poly is usually a harder durometer and isn't going to last quite as well as toyota rubber but works good enough for me.
@TinkerersAdventure
@TinkerersAdventure 4 ай бұрын
Thanks! I think applying anti-seize is the best bet. That's what I've been doing for every Toyota I worked on for years. But make sure you DON'T apply it on the thread. That will change the clamping force vs tightening torque relationship. Doing that to skid plate bolt thread is fine but this is a critical structural bolt and clamping force is extra critical.
@HighCountryDirtBiking
@HighCountryDirtBiking 4 ай бұрын
I can’t wait to see your videos on the GX550 :)
@edroosa2958
@edroosa2958 4 ай бұрын
In 1990 I had an 86 small 2WD pickup and it ran like a top when the rear shocks/suspension went up through the box due to corrosion in the early 90’s. It was an upstate NY vehicle
@IndependenceOverland
@IndependenceOverland 4 ай бұрын
Can’t wait to see what you do with a Tacoma!
@kcm732
@kcm732 4 ай бұрын
to add, it is nice that toyota used that same wax film on the inner fully boxed portions of the later model year 3rd gen tacomas/and gen 2.5 tundras, and probably later 5th gen 4runners too
@PeterHernandez-lg2eh
@PeterHernandez-lg2eh 4 ай бұрын
Just found this. Very informative.
@kennethcameron9910
@kennethcameron9910 4 ай бұрын
love the vids man keep em up!
@dundeeecroc
@dundeeecroc 4 ай бұрын
on the frames and metal on Toyotas all about PROPER METALLURGY!!!!
@skoparweaver7692
@skoparweaver7692 4 ай бұрын
For cutting the cam adjustment tubes on the control arms you can use just one cheap sawzall blade if you make sure you 1.) keep the rpms low to medium rather than wide open on the sawzall 2.) medium pressure on the blade to let it do the work 3.) lubricant like wd40, crc, etc all the time, as soon as the blade starts smoking remove the sawzall from the control arm and make sure the temp stays below too hot to touch. Once the metal gets hot it will lose its hardening and the teeth with just flatten right out.
@Effonefiddygarage
@Effonefiddygarage 4 ай бұрын
FANTASTIC analysis! You basically cut-out the fanboy krap and went strait to the engineering. Good stuff.
@__7878
@__7878 4 ай бұрын
excellent topic & presentation 👍
@hemusbull
@hemusbull 4 ай бұрын
Wow, great video from an engineering point of view!
@stevendouglas6593
@stevendouglas6593 4 ай бұрын
To be fair to Toyota, EVERY vehicle in the salt belt rusts. I don’t know if Toyota is worse than any other manufacturer. I follow South Main Auto on KZbin and 5 year old Chevys in his shop are pretty much ready for the crusher due to rust. I guess not much goes wrong with Toyotas, so the fact that they rust, like every other vehicle, stands out.
@TinkerersAdventure
@TinkerersAdventure 4 ай бұрын
Good point and very well could be some sort of bias in data
@edgemontautoservice4987
@edgemontautoservice4987 4 ай бұрын
legendary info! great videos.
@thomaslam6821
@thomaslam6821 4 ай бұрын
Great video! Very informative! 👍👍👍
@tiny_the_200
@tiny_the_200 4 ай бұрын
Great info! …and unfortunate info about the likelihood of a front locker coming to those two vehicles. On the 2nd Gen Tundra, there was at least one person that swapped over the 200 series front diff and center full time transfer case parts. He thought it dramatically improved his driving experience 🤓 I wonder if there there would be any compatibility between the new Tundra and 300/LX diff?
@TinkerersAdventure
@TinkerersAdventure 4 ай бұрын
I wouldn’t personally do that, but hey, this type of projects are what enthusiasts do :)
@sholderu
@sholderu 2 ай бұрын
Fantastic job! Do you know if any of these rust-inhibiting features you mentioned in this video carry over to the new Lexus GX 550?
@preacherman85379
@preacherman85379 4 ай бұрын
Thankfully Im in central Arizona now and rust is not a problem. When I lived in northern Maine I bought the cheapest new truck and financed it for 4 or less years. In the 80s and 90s i got 5 to 6 years out of a Ranger.
@chenglee3768
@chenglee3768 4 ай бұрын
A Big Thanks for a great Informations..
@leardi58
@leardi58 4 ай бұрын
Can you do a video on rust prevention thank you
@FreedomAtRisk
@FreedomAtRisk 4 ай бұрын
Had alignment bolt issue with 2015 T4R with 120k miles in mountain/snow environment... replaced LCA and other parts
@Cherokeelion
@Cherokeelion 4 ай бұрын
I owned a 1982 toyo pickup , longbox, in Minnesota winters. Dead reliable, never broke, never failed until the body and frame pretty much returned to iron oxide and rust flake. I had to park it in 1992 when my seat dropped thru the floor and on closer inspection I discovered I could poke holes in my frame rails with a hammer. Ended up selling the 22R motor for $500 bucks and junking the rest.
@jeffgow9203
@jeffgow9203 4 ай бұрын
I noticed the new tundras now have the same lug pattern as the 4Runners. I would be curious to know if a rear tundra axle would go in a 4Runner with little modification? Main concern is the wheel speed sensor the same. I think the e brake is different but seems like it could work. If so it could be a great alternative to the ECGS Dana 60. Have the RCLT kit in the front and looking for some options for the rear.
@driftergonewild
@driftergonewild 4 ай бұрын
This guys videos makes me wanna buy the new tundra !
@stefan3225
@stefan3225 4 ай бұрын
It was unfortunate Toyota didn’t do the right thing and replace FJC/4R/GX frames as well. I will have to do a frame swap on my GX if it’s gonna stay in the road another decade. Even using fluid film annually it was just too far gone by the time I noticed it.
@scott8238
@scott8238 4 ай бұрын
Yeah they only lost the lawsuit for certain models and i wish they just did the right thing as well.
@appleztooranges
@appleztooranges 4 ай бұрын
Spray it down with Salt Brine than give it a few days. Should be the real testing like we do in New England
@kellstat
@kellstat 4 ай бұрын
If you have a buddy(Chris) with a 200 series, my many requests for more info on the 200's suspension should make that more feasible. I know there's not the millions of 200's out there like tundra, Tacoma, FJ, and 4runners, but you have almost not shared any data on the 200's, or the 100's, especially how the IFS is similar or different from these others. Just putting in another request for some Land Cruiser R&D! Thanks for your work and sharing it.
@janeblogs324
@janeblogs324 4 ай бұрын
I'm sure there are more 200s than all the other you mentioned combined
@dannyeugenewaits9486
@dannyeugenewaits9486 4 ай бұрын
Crazy as it seams, my 1995 4 runners frame is in fantastic shape (260k miles) I lived in Eastern Montana than, my 2006 tacoma (160k) at 90k had the frame replaced thankfully under the recall,I lived in Wisconsin than, I currently have a 2017 tacoma and its doing fantastic! But I live in Eastern Montana again! Im going to wait for the new 4runner to be released and purchase it, and yes I still own my 1994 4runner and my 06 Tacoma, i just cant part with them!!😅 my 4runner is my daily driver going to work.
@LinusScrubTips
@LinusScrubTips 4 ай бұрын
I feel like a proper yearly undercoating procedure would eliminate much of the frame rust.
@Doomzdayxx
@Doomzdayxx 4 ай бұрын
You would be 100% correct, but people are too lazy and/or stupid do do that, even every few years.
@Lordoftheflatbush
@Lordoftheflatbush 4 ай бұрын
No need to do this every year. Each 3 years is fine.
@LinusScrubTips
@LinusScrubTips 4 ай бұрын
@@Doomzdayxx I’ve heard the newer undercoat by PB blaster actually lasts 2 years. It seeps like fluid film but stick better when hit with water pressure.
@LinusScrubTips
@LinusScrubTips 4 ай бұрын
@@Lordoftheflatbush I think it depends on the product, mileage, weather, and wash interval.
@Lordoftheflatbush
@Lordoftheflatbush 4 ай бұрын
@@LinusScrubTipsi don’t think so. These cars rust protection is poor out of the factory. If this will become a problem depends on the region you live in. For Europe all of these trucks are rusted. I hate rusted cars. I am prepared to invest in maintenance and conservation of older trucks except when they are rusted. In Europe you cannot use cars without proper rust protection.
@user-qt7pj5kt1o
@user-qt7pj5kt1o 4 ай бұрын
@TinkerersAdventure unrelated to the video you could expand your shift knobs to a larger market with the Jeep segment.
@wyo203
@wyo203 4 ай бұрын
Won’t the aluminum sleeve with steel bolt be susceptible to galvanic corrosion?
@baron1c
@baron1c 4 ай бұрын
With regard to the cam bolts, the dissimilar metals will have galvanic corrosion. And be just as big of an issue as the old rusty ones. I would rather have the old ones and put anti seize on them
@evanfinley2198
@evanfinley2198 4 ай бұрын
sweet.. i had a 2007 toyota tacoma rust bucket.. so glad i got rid of it
@jtaco66
@jtaco66 4 ай бұрын
Any thing you find about 3rd gen tundras going into limp mode randomly? Happened to me twice and the service advisors are blaming my aux beams
@trailrunnah8886
@trailrunnah8886 4 ай бұрын
All these sound good, but honestly I still wouldn't trust a Toyota frame as far as I could throw it when it comes to corrosion resistance. If I bought one of these I would still have it sprayed annually. The holes in the frame are a nice touch, is it advisable to drill some holes in an earlier frame that does not have them?
@emmanuelcahigas9269
@emmanuelcahigas9269 4 ай бұрын
i work at the plant, i can confirm the rust inhibiter are in the rav/nx unibody frame
@joefries7046
@joefries7046 4 ай бұрын
As someone who has worked at a toyota dealer since 2014 they havent really had rust issues in many years. live before i was there
@mrvoyagerm
@mrvoyagerm 4 ай бұрын
I live in Canada and have had seven Toyotas over the years with over 100k on each one. I have never had to do an anlignment, never had any frame rust issues, never had any issue with the ADD, would have appreciated a front locker but never got completely stuck with any of them due to the ATRAK system. My job was heavy construction and had me off road almost every day. Every one came with some kind of waxy undercoating.
@miketee2444
@miketee2444 4 ай бұрын
I suspect Toyota avoided a front locker to keep all the oil and pieces off the ground. Most don't have a clue the stresses put on a driveline when grippie tires and physics start working against your new ride.
@kc83061
@kc83061 2 ай бұрын
With the new aluminum inner bushing sleeve I would expect to see galvanic corrosion between the steel bolt and and aluminum bushing sleeve, unless it is thoroughly coated.
@JB-he1jt
@JB-he1jt 4 ай бұрын
Nice upgrades.... living in California and Arizona you don't see anything like that!! ✌️
@TinkerersAdventure
@TinkerersAdventure 4 ай бұрын
jealous lol
@criticalevent
@criticalevent 4 ай бұрын
I've never had a problem with the front hubs but it's nice to know they are even more reliable now. Unlike my Ford's vacuum actuated hubs that can be counted on to fail every couple of years at the worst time.
@martinmartell2252
@martinmartell2252 4 ай бұрын
Do these changes apply to the new Land cruiser / GX550?
@KrayzKloverz
@KrayzKloverz 4 ай бұрын
I just had to cut the cam bolts out of my 2013 Tundra and can confirm it is a massive PITA! Let's hope this new design holds up better!
@patrickmckowen2999
@patrickmckowen2999 4 ай бұрын
Great info 👍
@korndawggy1801
@korndawggy1801 4 ай бұрын
Alot of GM and Ford frames are rotting too but they aren't saying or doing anything about it.
@alb12345672
@alb12345672 4 ай бұрын
I suffered to remove the rear shock bolts on lexus gs. Steel on AL is bad too. Galvanic corrosion.
@hikeroutpost
@hikeroutpost 2 ай бұрын
I was at a local dealer in Canada and checked the inside of the frame in the new Tundra and there was no coating, it was bone dry. It’s possible the one you saw had coating applied by the dealer.
@johncole3010
@johncole3010 13 сағат бұрын
Makes me think Chrome moly greasable cam bolts are the way
@ateamoffroad
@ateamoffroad 4 ай бұрын
Where's the full video for that double breakage at 7:44?
@trentosgood
@trentosgood 4 ай бұрын
Hey could you do a video on the best all terrain pizza cutter tire?
@tacomas9602
@tacomas9602 4 ай бұрын
The new frame is kind of scary at first being fully boxed, but the 2nd and 3rd gen tacomas while theyre open c channel its laminated thin pieces of steel and it gets really complex and prone to trapping moisture and rust right from the driver seat and forward. At the same time, the Tacoma 1G and early pickups (with frames that more resemble the 4G) did rust badly but they are FAR easier to keep clean *if* and i mean *IF* you start with a healthy frame. If i ever get a 4G, id probaly drill out the drain holes to double or triple their size on a couple. I would also invest in a gallon of fluid film or more.
@xXBurntBaconXx
@xXBurntBaconXx 4 ай бұрын
FINALLLLY Someone who agreees with me! I'm from Vancouver Canada, and techa don't agree with me about how shit Toyota trucks are because of the rust. Some Alberta mechanics do, but almost every truck have rust issues. I'm so glad I found your video on the rust issue, what causes it, and improvments.
@MrLM002
@MrLM002 4 ай бұрын
I just wish they offered the new 2 Door Tacoma with a manual. Something I think they didn't focus group for was the take rate of the manual for private citizens buying the 2 door.
@KurNorock
@KurNorock 4 ай бұрын
I think the biggest problem with 2nd gen tundras is the ultra flexible frame. It wobbles so much that the need will colide with the cab in some offroad situations. It also causes some incredibly harsh vibration when driving on concrete roads. Or at least it does for about half of them. The other half don't have that issue, and nobody, including Toyota, seem to know why. Makes me want to fully box and reinforce my frame to stiffen it up.
@dnlmachine4287
@dnlmachine4287 2 ай бұрын
I could be wrong, but I recall reading that some manufacturers may stop giving corrosion warranty on vehicles sold in certain areas. Canada vehicles rust, period. Every single pickup truck has rusted rear wheel arches. As other viewers have stated, the wax/oil coating is best, the sooner the better. Inside the frame especially, even on cars and SUVs. Any vehicle I work on that has an oil leak, the metal fasteners, joints, seams etc in the leaky area are in better condition than the "clean" areas. Stay gold.
@starydwumas7481
@starydwumas7481 4 ай бұрын
Most mechanic services cut angle bolts because its way faster and you can repair car right away. I replaced my front bushing on 2004 Lexus IS, it took me 3 days spraying many things and heating this up, smashing hammer until bolt came out. When I put my Lexus to mechanic for rear wishbone replacement with geometry adjusting they simply cut bolts off because for them its way faster and new bolts arent so expensive.
@mas921
@mas921 4 ай бұрын
since the LC300 have also been around for 2 years in the market; I assume that it's front locker is not swappable into the Tundra even though they share the platform. right?
@TinkerersAdventure
@TinkerersAdventure 4 ай бұрын
correct, the LC300 is full time 4WD so there is no A.D.D.
@sledge7583
@sledge7583 4 ай бұрын
Thanks again....
@TeensierPython
@TeensierPython 4 ай бұрын
I just can’t believe how expensive these trucks are. It’s insane.
@Moon222
@Moon222 4 ай бұрын
2 years ago, GM shareholders were told they increased profits by replacing materials (prolly plastics instead of aluminum) and simply raising prices. Pretty sure that is what all car manufacturers did.
@mails5054
@mails5054 4 ай бұрын
@@Moon222 i agree, jeep wrangler has aluminum now even. God it went from a 35k vehicle to 50k
@tundrav8georgia
@tundrav8georgia 4 ай бұрын
Yes going rate
@F4izzle
@F4izzle 4 ай бұрын
I live in Southern California desert. I currently own a 88 4Runner, 92 4Runner, 06 Tundra and 2020 Tundra. None of them have any rust.
@ricecowboy
@ricecowboy 4 ай бұрын
If steel on aluminum, isn’t galvanic corrosion an issue? Or did I misunderstand?
@gqp4800
@gqp4800 4 ай бұрын
My 05 matrix was built in Canadia. Built for Canadia. Undercoated,not any rust on my car, none!
@Clintshandpainted
@Clintshandpainted 4 ай бұрын
I’m hoping they have an aluminum bushing option as an upgrade for 4Runners
@ninetyseven7656
@ninetyseven7656 4 ай бұрын
Thanks
@spookytook
@spookytook 4 ай бұрын
So what can i do to prevent rusting? I'm looking to buy a toyota truck
@THX5000
@THX5000 4 ай бұрын
Salting of roads is a huge problem. There is NO need to put salt on the roads.
@ronaldrussell5481
@ronaldrussell5481 4 ай бұрын
I'm sure the aftermarket will figure out a front locker if they determine the demand is there.
@Zednix
@Zednix 4 ай бұрын
Its a shame these new trucks are incredibly expensive in Canada. I would love to get a new Tundra.
@PatrickRich
@PatrickRich 4 ай бұрын
Great stuff as always! Toyota should offer a Torsen LSD in the front of the Tacoma. They love putting torsen in things and with ATRAC a Torsen would be darn close to having a locker while still retaining turning and reducing gear breakage concerns with a front locker. Plus it has gofast cred.
@jailbreakoverlander
@jailbreakoverlander 4 ай бұрын
Well done
@jailbreakoverlander
@jailbreakoverlander 4 ай бұрын
and of course first example is a Massachusetts Truck. I feel that pain.
@shaun8256
@shaun8256 4 ай бұрын
I've seen more than my share of steel bonded to aluminum and aluminum corrodes just as much as steel! Biggest issue anymore is the use of recycled steel. Good presentation bro! Problem we have with today's automobiles is they are built with the minimum amount of quality that they can get away with! Their focus has been too much towards the gadgets put in, along with turning everything into plastic to save cost where they can. All these sensors everywhere that fail on a daily, K.I.S.S.!!
@Moon222
@Moon222 4 ай бұрын
What about the new Prado TDD?
@CanadianOffroad4x4
@CanadianOffroad4x4 4 ай бұрын
Hey! Stop teasing! Get that 4th gen! Cant wait! Wool wax/fluid film hands down. Get salts gone to completely remove and rinse the frame to ensure better bonding n lasting. Keep it coming Tinker!
@Martykoi
@Martykoi 3 ай бұрын
any chances you’ll do Nissan mods and all? Looking for a content creator for Nissan Armada
@augustinep6193
@augustinep6193 4 ай бұрын
Good. Thanks.
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