Toyota is selling NEW hydrogen cars for $10,000 - an 80% discount

Toyota is selling NEW hydrogen cars for $10,000 - an 80% discount
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[@stevey_z]

Why pay 10k for a useless car

[@mb-3faze]

Scrap value maybe? Super expensive metals in the fuel cell, quite a nice battery pack in them (they still need batteries), a perfectly serviceable electric motor and transmission. You could convert it to an BEV! :)

[@hanswitvliet8188]

Useless for some. Not for all.

[@hasmond6808]

​@@mb-3faze that's actually a really good idea. You can buy refurbished battery packs for cheap. Install one of them where the fuel cell was (rip it out and sell it) and now you can drive the car around.

[@mikemotorbike4283]

Same as paying $278/mo for gas but car is free. After three years just keep buying gas, only it's hydrogen, or scrap/sell. Even better deal if local 24/7 taxi, delivery using unlimited hydrogen for three years. Indefinite storage life for hydrogen as backup transportation, wrap up Hydrogen car and forget it; otherwise, gas goes stale/batteries drain unattended. Possibly contracted tech developed for use in continuity of military/government scenario in underground bunker to save bunker battery. Remote island. Far North. Any truly offgrid industry where there's no access to fossil fuel delivery or enough house batteries. DIY hydrogen. Repurpose powertrain base into truck, boat or forklift, aircar or generator.

[@stevey_z]

@mikemotorbike4283 hydrogen is many times gas cost .this wouldn't go far even if you could refill it in my state which you can't so it is a non-starter

[@nicnordic6143]

A Fisker is 10 times more useful...😅

[@myphonyaccount]

both will be worth more as parts after bankruptcy!

[@danielstehura9657]

Fisker is a beautiful POS

[@mcherry8010]

​@@myphonyaccountFisker Ocean Parts are in Magna storage, spare parts are available

[@SmartMart1658]

Their is virtually NO INFRASTRUCTURE for hyrdogen vehicles and the cost of building one would cost $Trillions.

[@SeanWork]

I agree it seems a bit too late. I THINK I heard that if you replaced natural gas with H2 then it'd be much more feasible. So you'd be burning H2 at your house for cooking and heating as well. Then it's just a matter of having home gas line connects for cars.

[@laszlom.3138]

​@@SeanWorkEV is only successful because it is cheaper to run. H2 cannot be successful because it is more expensive to run them than petrol cars.

[@JohnVieiraact]

Just half truth , so nope, but yes , under current fucked up model , that us backwards .. hydrogen to electrical , is a bit crazy ... They got h2 ICE s, which are much better value than this, abd EVs combined .. it's just , murica might be scared a bit .

[@svr5423]

Infrastructure is missing. THis is why EVs are failing. Would have bought one in 2017.

[@Simon-dm8zv]

@@SeanWork H2 in domestic gas lines will never be a thing. Burning H2 at home for cooking and heat would be the most inefficient way to use renewable energy ever.

[@danielstehura9657]

As of April 2024, filling up a hydrogen fuel cell car in Los Angeles could cost around $200, which is similar to the price of $14.60 per gallon of gas. However, the price of hydrogen fuel in California has fluctuated, increasing from $15.97 per kilogram in July 2022 to $21.28 per kilogram in November 2022. In September 2023, California's largest hydrogen fuel supplier increased prices to $36 per kilogram at all 37 of its filling stations.

[@baldisaerodynamic9692]

that 15k will run out preetty damn quick.

[@TheLDunn1]

@@danielstehura9657…..maybe, like electricity, the plan is for us to produce our own at home to fuel our hydrogen cars. I mean, what can possibly go wrong if we all ‘knocked up’ a large hydrogen tank on our property and started producing our own hydrogen and pumping it into our storage tanks under pressure so it’s ready to fill up our cars when needed….

[@theenergizer248]

I've never seen any filling stations, so once the tank is empty it's possibly useless.

[@hanswitvliet8188]

I have one at the other side of town, by BP. Connected to grid of hydrogen pipelines. They only increase the pressure to 200, 500 or 700 atmosphere. Future proof enough, except for the ridiculous price per KG. Eventhough the Mirai is very comfortable and looks luxurious, its original price avoids it getting bought.

[@Victic005]

@@theenergizer248 yep.

[@MFoley-tv3zh]

@@theenergizer248 I’ve seen one. Perhaps two hydrogen stations. Pay ten thousand, and sell it for five thousand after five years (or when the fuel card is empty) then it’s not too bad a deal. Otherwise, I think I have to agree with the poster who said the Fisker might be a better buy.

[@Snoodlehootberry]

Every time I see this kind of deal from car companies, you know that they are doing it out of desperation to sell cars. Either it’s a government quota they’re not meeting or it’s a downturn in the economy. This is the first time I’ve ever heard it because of a secular belief in a technology.

[@tombh74]

Last hydrogen filling station in Denmark closed last year. No one wants to reopen them.

[@samijokinen9246]

Change those Mirai cars to fully electric and call it a day. Those have fully electric drivetrains already.

[@alexmckenna1171]

Last desperate throw of the dice - like Hitler's Battle of the Bulge..

[@jjamespacbell]

Nikola is not selling any hydrogen trucks they are selling electric trucks

[@jasinfrljuckic8617]

Nikola is selling hydrogen trucks. I work in the industry I see them fueling all the time 😅

[@antoinepageau8336]

We’re going to start seeing KZbinrs buy these cars and V8 swap them or convert them to full Bev. Then they can use the free H2 to blow things up for huge view counts. Thank you Toyota!

[@billpengelly7048]

I was thinking the same. Hydrogen cars already use a small battery to act as an electrical load buffer. Just rip out the hydrogen tanks and put in a bigger battery 😂

[@adamkucera9094]

That’s also what I was thinking.

[@Simon-dm8zv]

Would still be a massive waste of money. A used EV would be a lot more capable.

[@Daikongekijou]

Actually China does invest heavily in hydrogen truck tech as well, but it's not mass produced yet and that's for industrial heavy trucks that stops by at fixed locations

[@nguyep4]

Hydrogen makes sense once they solve their energy requirement but China needs all the energy and many time more as it is than to waste energy on hydrogen conversion. It would be idiotic move when China is energy constrainted.

[@duhaneyparkclassics7484]

>>>As of 2023, there are 59 open retail hydrogen stations in the United States. Additionally, there are at least 50 stations in various stages of planning or construction.

[@BMWHP2]

Toyota Mirai in the Netherland still is €71.000, no discounts.

[@swanvictor887]

anyone daft enough to buy one..?

[@JonmaWilliams]

...it's a "fire sale"...probably apt for hydrogen.....

[@jgarbo3541]

Hydrogen is not flammable...

[@mb-3faze]

Explosive interest...

[@johnsmedley8843]

Those annoying laws of physics. It's depressing, Toyota have made some brilliant cars. I cannot understand what their engineers were thinking.

[@Michael-yi4mc]

They overlooked the fuel prices being six times more than a gasoline car is.

[@audiostanton]

It only cost me $13 to charge a Tesla at home from empty. A 55 kw battery in a tesla model 3 Cost 55 x 0.24 cents = $13. A hydrogen car cost as much as $96 on an empty tank. The cost to fill up a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle (FCV) in California can vary, but as of mid-2024, it typically ranges from $12 to $16 per kilogram of hydrogen. Most hydrogen fuel cell vehicles have a tank capacity of about 5-6 kilograms. Therefore, filling up from empty would generally cost between $60 and $96. The exact price can depend on the specific hydrogen station and market conditions. And thats if the hydrogen station doesn't go out of business.

[@TheLDunn1]

It’s over £64k in the UK….with no signs of free fuel or other incentives. There are 6 hydrogen fuel stations in the Uk, the nearest to me is 50 miles away. According to the Toyota website, the range of the Mirai is 300 miles. So, a third of my driving would be to go and fill up. Can’t see why this isn’t going to take over from EV’s 😂

[@jayj6770]

Someone needs to make a BEV conversion kit.

[@PeteLenz]

Cheaper to buy a Model 3

[@JoeyBlogs007]

The greatest vehicle gimmick of all time.

[@R0M8N]

As owner of hydrogen car dont buy it!!!

[@latuya8388]

What's your experience so far?

[@R0M8N]

@@latuya8388 not enough stations, frozen hose, fear to be left without hydrogen.

[@adamkucera9094]

Why did you buy one in the first place? Are you rich and can take a gamble?

[@R0M8N]

@@adamkucera9094 promises from dealer that wouod open more stations and it is a good deal too.

[@Solid_Snake88]

Use gloves no? ​@@R0M8N

[@brunomadeira8432]

VW a few years ago made an excellent PowerPoint that makes very clear why H2 FC EVs (which is what this is) don't work. The efficiency is extremely poor and you like BEVs its fuel also starts as electricity so what you are saying is that FC EVs are much more expensive.

[@beautifulgirl219]

New research published in Nature Communications found that chronic exposure of older adults to heat is projected to double in “all warming scenarios” by 2045, with Asia and Africa being the most affected continents. A World Weather Attribution study found that the “deadly heatwaves” that hit Asia throughout April and May this year and brought temperatures above 40C, were much more frequent and extreme due to man-made climate change.

[@richardconway6425]

and?

[@markcribb4917]

I sure don't care if older adults are exposed to heat!

[@beautifulgirl219]

@@markcribb4917 That would be embarrassing for good people even in a confessional. I have prayed for all who encounter you, and for you.

[@anarkidaniel1196]

Toyota is tight around the corner 😂😂too much frustration

[@Victic005]

They can't give it away. Love to see it falling after all the shit Toyota is talking about EV.

[@baldisaerodynamic9692]

yet they are selling hybrids quickly.....they arent wrong about EV for them, a business exists because they have a product people want, and many people EVs do not work for them.

[@nguyep4]

​​@@baldisaerodynamic9692 you mean hydrogen? If EV is not for many people, then why would Toyota focuses and promotes hydrogen when it is a 10,000 time less popular than pure EV? This shows you don't understand what you said and just spilling Toyota's anti-EV stand.

[@Victic005]

EV works. Hybrid will go away. They are slow.

[@Victic005]

@@baldisaerodynamic9692 hydrogen doesn't work. Can't wait till we see the bankruptcy.

[@svr5423]

You like to see EVs fail?

[@shadowcaster111]

Where can I get a H fill-up? it looks like the closet station is 3000 miles away

[@jemler3speak]

It's them putting Plasma TV on sale when LED is the way to go, it's them putting Walkman on sale when mp3 is the way to go, it's also them putting blue Ray dvd on sale while smartphone is the way to go😊

[@nunocatarino1290]

Plasma actually has better picture than LED, but because of laptops the LED tech became much cheaper. The same is happening to BEVs regarding batteries: battery technology evolved so much because of smartphones, that it’s now almost ready to replace ICE tech completely.

[@ctuna2011]

Good Luck in ever finding a place to fill them and be prepared to play 10 times the price of gas.

[@chrisheath2637]

They are now incentivising people who buy hydrogen cars. They offer a horse with free stabling, and hay for a year - which can pull your car around, in case you run out of hydrogen...it is so advanced, it has inbuilt sat-nav to take you home...

[@richardhardin9184]

If people knew anything about Hydrogen fuel, they would never even consider it as a power source. There are way too many obstacles that make Hydrogen useful in a car. There is the cost, the lack of an infrastructure or the fact that the Hydrogen is the smallest molecule and very hard to store without leakage. EVs are the future and they are already here along with the infrastructure.

[@JamaicanMeCrazy]

$10000 for the car $20,000,000 for a hybrid filing station

[@danielstehura9657]

I Think Toyotas Hydrogen car can be converted to steam at Jay Leno’s Garage! I saw a low mileage one for $7,000 great body! It just needs a corvette engine! I wish it could be converted to CNG! The new body is Really Nice! The 2017 So So Cheesy Japanesy! Hahaha

[@devinjackson1298]

This is why no car should be taken serious jus because it has a high price tag. 65k for the limited trim and now Auto Trader selling them for 17k and below.

[@James-ol6rw]

Only 2 filling stations in Florida, both in the Orlando area.

[@llee4225]

What is the cost for fuel?

[@jantjarks7946]

I'm living exactly between two hydrogen fueling stations and both are .... **drumroll** .... out of range. 🤔🫣😅😉

[@audiostanton]

Electric charging stations are about 3 to 4 miles apart in California, I assume it's very close to that in Florida. I have never even seen a hydrogen station in California. It takes Tesla about 1 week or less to install a electric charging station once the ground is broken, it takes about 12 to 20 months to build a multi million dollar hydrogen station that no one even wants in their neighborhood. Electric stations are usually in the corner of an existing parking lot or mall. 😂

[@quantumeyes8546]

Do these stations have a queue to fill hydrogen?

[@James-ol6rw]

@@quantumeyes8546 I do not know, though there are not many hydrogen cars in the US.

[@mikafiltenborg7572]

"Good luck" find a hydrogen re-fill station outside California ‼️‼️‼️‼️😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😃😃😄😆😆😉😊😊😋😎

[@curlyjoh9941]

A pressure vessel in every vehicle. That makes sense. Evs are vehicles with a different method of propulsion. Why all the angst. People will purchase the vehicle which meets their requirements.

[@3dpfeeney]

Closest hydrogen station to me is in Canada, about 10 hour drive plus crossing the border

[@awabooks9886]

No worries Sam, Toyota will make it up with volume production 🤓

[@Private-1961]

I don't understand why Toyota keep improve the hydrogen car but ignore the hydrogen stations. It likes Kodak keep produce the camera but ignore to produce the film. Who's gonna buy???

[@brianliddell7938]

The only reason that makes sense is that Toyota were trying to help the fuel industry keep their fingers in the pie

[@svr5423]

they should have teamed up and done what Tesla did with their Superchargers.

[@luworofolonja3374]

Perfect donor car for an EV conversion.

[@alex.velasco]

Some of these automobile companies are glorified internal-combustion engine companies. I’m thinking of Honda, for example. Let’s see how many of these companies will be able to manage the transition to the new era of EVs operating in renewables-powered economies. I think a number of them will follow the examples of Nokia and Blackberry, incapable of managing change.

[@robertlock622]

Physics would suggest that any Hydrogen vehicle, regardless of future innovations etc. will always be more expensive to operate than a battery electric vehicle. The only reason any company would push that idea is pressure from the fossil fuel industry and because the management don't understand the efficiency limits associated with breaking the Carbon Hydrogen, or Hydrogen Oxygen bonds and then processing the Hydrogen for future use in a vehicle. Batteries will always be way more efficient. Therefore cheaper to operate... I am quite upset that J.C.B are going down that road, a good British company making a really stupid mistake!

[@mb-3faze]

You couldn't be more right about JCB. A catastrophic decision to go with hydrogen - and they intend to burn it! - not even using a fuel cell. If ever there was a class of vehicle so suited to battery EV technology, it's big, heavy, slow, reliable, easy to maintain dirt moving monsters.

[@jeffl4810]

​@mb-3faze Especially that MWh class batteries are now a thing. The biggest I know about was something like 13MWh, used in a train, and that was a year or two ago. The smaller, few hundred kWh packs first used in heavy equipment failed miserably. Now that MWh sized packs are being used, they are performing phenomenally! There was even a semi class snow plow trial last year. I think it was in Norway. Notoriously hard usuage for a EV. Many previous trials failed, but now with a MWh class battery, it preformed amazingly well!

[@nickmcconnell1291]

Uh the Japanese govt is stupid enough to pay Toyota money to keep developing hydrogen tech. If this wasn't happening I think even Toyota would have abandoned it.

[@svr5423]

batteries are expensive. And currently cannot replace Fuel Cells as a power source for EVs.

[@mb-3faze]

@@svr5423 Seriously? Firstly fuel cells vehicles require batteries to provide the actual power to the motor(s) and the fuel cells is just used as a charger. Secondly, if you want expensive - try fuel cells! - more rare and expensive (and very easily contaminated) use in them.

[@h-e-acc]

They’re gon have to go to florida to refuel 😧😧😧

[@twostate7822]

Hydrogen cars would make a great place to stay for homeless people. You would have to run an electrical cord to an electric heater when it gets cold, because hydrogen is too expensive and too unavailable to keep the tanks filled up.

[@undisclosedthai]

This price should be available in Thailand. 364,210 baht is very cheap for a brand new big sedan. I think buyers can convert it into a fuel car or an EV too.

[@Inland_Empire_Strikes_Back]

I had number 550 back in 2016 before I dumped it off to CarMax in 2020. You couldn't pay me $5,000 to take the car.

[@darthsirrius]

There's literally nowhere to fill one up in the entire US, so what's the point of selling them at all?

[@gregben]

Never forget that riding in a Toyota Mirai is riding in a bomb. The hydrogen is compressed to 10,000 PSI / 680 atmospheres. If one of the tanks were to rupture, kaboom!

[@mrmawson2438]

These Are the WORST Selling Cars of 2024 So Far! TFLnow

[@michaelpioconte]

The thing is that the drive train is fully electric.

[@CatsMeowPaw]

$10k is actually a pretty good deal. The problem is, are the refuelling stations going to stay open for the next five years? Is the cost of hydrogen going to explode again?

[@CarlosTorres-dq2sq]

I live in Miami, the closest fueling station is Canada I think. :(

[@tuppenceworth5485]

Customers need the discount to pay for the expensive hydrogen fuel which is twice that of gasoline cars for the same mileage.

[@IverKnackerov]

Toyota backed the 3 legged donkey, in a horse race. Last one out, turn off the lights.

[@petermclaren2665]

Good collectors item. Buy 5 and wrap them up and keep them for 30 years and you'll earn a fortune.

[@DoanMocMien]

Every new partnership announcement gets me more excited about Vematum!

[@Steve-co1ic]

Surely there's some mistake Sam, Toyota wouldn't lie to us would they 😅😅😅😅

[@0ctatr0n]

Maybe they could pivot to using a methane fuel cell and setup fueling depots at sewage plants?

[@JoePolaris]

I have not head much about comparative maintenance costs of H2 cars ( including Mirai) vs a Camry for instance.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

Most FCEV are only available on lease with maintenance included in the package. However, the pressurised hydrogen cylinders fall under pressurised vessel regulations and need to be replaced after 10-15 years (varies by country) by law. The maximum warranty seems to be 10 years as well. No one knows what happens at that point as to whether its feasible or cost effective to replace such deeply integrated, near inaccessible and safety critical component.

[@mcherry8010]

you have to visit the maintenance checking the high pressure system for leaks yearly

[@phillipzx3754]

I would have to drive 300 miles to my north or about 1000 miles to my south to reach a hydrogen refilling station. We have welding shops with hydrogen for sale. But that's it.

[@williamminehan4416]

They got a tough hill to climb because you can’t even refill it. Hydrogen is a waste of money and it will continue to waste money for a lot of companies going forward

[@travisyarbrough4033]

Hydrogen in passenger cars is a fantasy. Always will be

[@youtuberx199]

Last year, the CEO was confidently standing on the stage when he mentioned the hydrogen cars.

[@Qosmio1955]

Honestly, Toyota couldn't give me one. I live in regional WA and have no problem charging my EV at public chargers if I need to. There is literally a charger 300m down the road from me and another 45km away in the nearest major centre. But Hydrogen? Nah...I Googled and I Googled and I Googled. I can't find a place to fill up in the whole of Western Australia. Toyota are dreaming.

[@alpine80s]

Buy the cheapest model & drive Uber/Lyft exclusively until the fuel credit runs out? Then sell off the parts.

[@ythowdy2838]

For a country the size of Australia, there are only 12 hydrogen refuelling stations either operating or under construction. I wouldn't waste time driving kilometres to refuel. Moreover, hydrogen is much more expensive than petrol.

[@dannyhunn8752]

Just use the body and convert it to EV or petrol!

[@222INFINITY]

Viking, we will start testing Enhanced FSD once the University kids are back in school (September?) this fall, anyone can take part. Why don't you get your hands on a Tesla equipped with FSD to see how it competes?

[@satriojumeneng7055]

What will happen to those who bought these Hydrogen cars?

[@joeabad5908]

Gone by the wind

[@brianliddell7938]

Well they lose their $$ and will have to try fight Toyota in court

[@tongdsa847]

I follow your vlogs. I am one of your many subscribers. I would like to be able to contribute a little bit more, especially for your wife’s medical care. I wish there’s an option for your members to choose, say, “Other amount”.

[@baldisaerodynamic9692]

the car costs 25k. your monthly payments are based off of 25k. it costs you nothing extra to finance it the fuel voucher just means you have zero daily operational cost for up to 15k dollars. if you only use 5k of that fuel, then you arent getting a car for under 25k. you are still paying 25k for the car. however, this is a killer deal, IF, you live near a station to fill it up, and never leave the area, or your areas have easy available stations. the other problem.....whos gonna buy this used, or even want to take it in as a trade once the free fuel runs out? so is this really a good value when you run out of free fuel?

[@PSmurf107]

At worst, you can still charge an EV using a standard 3-pin plug and that will ALWAYS be available

[@PhungThiCucLoan]

Do you think Vematum will pump before XRP?

[@royh6526]

Toyota has been offering a $20k discount for at least the last 2 years. This pushed up sales. I suspect this latest 50% discount ($25k) may be just for Mirai in stock as Toyota might give up and stop production.

[@marvenlunn6086]

Well its better than what GM would do they would crush them

[@mikethomas2704]

Who are the 245 people who bought one of these this year 🤯

[@phamnguyen15199]

Clearing out all my Alts going into BTC and Vematum only, maybe a little BNB and SOL

[@para142]

Legacy auto makers using talk of hydrogen future to slow down BEV adoption giving them more time to catch up 😂

[@linuxxr]

toyata ran with the wrong ball,,,,,, trying to prop up their fuel industry,,, lol

[@Michael-yi4mc]

How many kilometers will $15,000 US of hydrogen take you? I’m retired and will never use up the free fuel in five years.

[@Peter-hg2oc]

A horse and cart would be worth more, because you can still actually use it.

[@user-on3ie9uv3x]

China has the ability to see beyond the horizon.

[@rogerfroud300]

If you happen to live next to a Hydrogen station, it would make a great second car. If not, it's a an oversized paperweight. You have five years to regret buying it with that deal.

[@gregben]

I happen to live only a few miles from one of the few hydrogen fueling stations in San Diego, California. Every time I drive by it, I look for signs of life. As far as I can tell, it's closed. No Mirai's to be seen. About 5 years ago it was fairly common to see one there filling up.

[@mkashay]

In the past I would have said if you lived very near a fuel station, maybe. Now, with several having shut down, GTFO.

[@daisangkung7468]

It will be as successful as selling a $10 VHS tape recorder in 2024.

[@PeterK6502]

This is old news, the 60% discount article is from februari.

[@mcherry8010]

Desperate less sales and less market share could be further points

[@JohnFontenot1]

If you REALLY want a Mirai there are plenty of used models available in Los Angeles for less the $5,000.

[@timscarman4599]

There is only ONE refuelling place in Adelaide, S.A. Apparently on ten nationwide…. and the S.A. Govt. is investing massively in hydrogen w. Z tax payer dollars. Dumb. Just dumb.

[@MrPropanePete]

Hydrogen was never going to work. I noticed Sam has just started including hybrids in his "EV space" data that he discusses on these videos. He's never done that in the 2 years he has been the Electric Viking. Hybrids are outselling BEVs in several countries so it was only a matter of time before he had to acknowledge that fact. Geely in a joint venture with Renault are going to develop a range of small high tech IC engines for future hybrids. Geely is not stupid so hybrids may well become the dominant player in a few years.

[@Jason-bu9sv]

Its true Hydrogen is not looking good for cars but hydrogen allows you to turn cheap electricity into solid/liquid or gas fuels that can be put on ships and transported anywhere. Hydrogen allows cheap electricity to be turned into plastics ,fertilizers of fuels and put into storage for indefinite periods of time these are the reasons why hydrogen is not going away.

[@SlipKnotRicky]

Is Toyota investing in Hydrogen Manufacturing and Distribution? Maybe they could be using the Cellular scheme of selling you the phone cheap and make it up on the back end?

[@max-imumarmor]

Peanuts? You wish, peanuts are worth more.

[@cryptocoinkiwi8272]

They need to sell it for $500

[@michaelcocheci3696]

Not happening in the UK!

[@petermclaren2665]

And is Toyota going to put refuelling station all across the USA to rival the Tesla charging network?

[@jckelley10]

FCVs turn out to be "very inefficient - both in terms of efficiency and operating costs". - Depending on the model, the battery-powered e-car thus achieves an efficiency of between 70 to 80 percent." The hydrogen fuel cell requires 2-3 times more energy to drive the same distance" :Inside EVs

[@svr5423]

efficiency is not an issue. Best CO2 neutral TCO: ICE car with Biofuels. Worst viability: all EVs (BEV and FEV)

[@onefiniteplanet]

No way Toyota could sell their hydrogen cars for $80,000 each in current volumes and make a profit. Even at $80,000 it is a subsidised project. $10,000 or $80,000 - either way it is big PR campaign, so the price is just whatever works best for their PR at the time.

[@ronmatthews2164]

Isn't Tesla also coming out with a hydrogen car ?

[@brianliddell7938]

Never. Not while Elon Musk has any say. That's just media hype. I'm unsure to what end.

[@travisyarbrough4033]

There are like 5 places to fuel up in the Los Angeles Area. Yeah ..... No thanks