Toyota says No more 2 hour EV charging with breakthrough hydrogen cartridges

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[@kipper2k]

If toyota spent more time doing R & D instead of press releases they may actually get somewhere

[@Clovis321]

Aqui no Brasil costumamos dizer que cachorro que late não morde. Eu acho que a Toyota perdeu o fio da meada e não está conseguindo reajustar sua rota. Já disseram que os EV são desruptivos como foi o computador pessoal (PC) para a maquina de escrever. Não lembro de um fabricante de máquina de esrever que conseguiu migrar para o PC. O mesmo está acontecendo com a Toyota de modo exemplar (ela está tentando até o hidrogênio para manter seus motores a combustão - justo o hidrogênio que é extremamente complicado para tudo). Mas deve acontecer com todas ligadas ao motor a combustão. A inércia industrial do motor a combustão é extremamente grande. Não é fácil mudar. Só como comparação: talvez de elétrico para combustão fosse muito mais simples.

[@dianapennepacker6854]

Toyota knows batteries aren't fully there yet. Why invest when you can sell hybrids, and ICE. Remember they sell to third world countries who can't go electric. So they spend little while waiting for everyone else to do RnD. Gas isn't going anywhere.

[@rozonoemi9374]

@@Clovis321 Hydrogen is inferior & dangerous, so no I don't want hydrogen cars near me with those cartridge.

[@rozonoemi9374]

@@dianapennepacker6854 Those 3rd world countries are now harnessing the energy from the sun to power all there electric vehicles, especially scooters. Toyota are going downhill since the beginning of the year & counting.

[@Clovis321]

@@rozonoemi9374 penso o mesmo.

[@nerdbikes3841]

Hydrogen canisters?…. Ummm….You mean grenades, right?

[@alanthomson1227]

Unlike incendiary bomb lithium ion batteries .

[@aubergine10]

Ukraine is already using hydrogen cars as self-driving bombs in the Russia/Ukraine war.

[@paul_wiggin]

​@@alanthomson1227 use LFP - stay safe.

[@mondotv4216]

@@alanthomson1227huh - let's see. Do I prefer the technology that everyone carries around in their pockets or the one that blew up the Hindenburg?

[@brianfenech10]

​​@@alanthomson1227 EVs catch on fire way less than ICE or Hybrid cars contrary to what the main stream media tells us.

[@crm114.]

The only time I’ve spent more than 40min charging is at home, overnight.

[@timdaniel8436]

Me too! 30 mins was the longest I've spent at a Supercharger in 3 years!!!

[@Brian-om2hh]

Exactly. Same here...

[@thomascroonen1325]

Doesn't change the fact that it takes a lot more energy to create clean hydrogen compared to charging EV's, like Sam says.

[@macmcleod1188]

Doesn't matter. Toyota *abandoned* the people who bought their earlier hydrogen cars. Who can trust them now.

[@fredhearty1762]

What could possibly go wrong??? Another hydrogen disaster waiting to happen. Give it a rest Toyota... and take a physics course in your spare time.

[@futtocksend8832]

More Hydrogen nonsense from Toyota! Far too expensive.

[@whowhy9023]

Toyota is just trying to muddy the waters to delay EV adoption… Every day counts.

[@bobwallace9753]

Every day means Toyota makes some money selling their ICEVs. As they stumble toward their grave.

[@wkrp10splayer19]

in the long run we're all dead - toyota just a bit earlier than most of us

[@JCSY1]

Yes. Exactly. 😂😂... Delay and/or divert tactics

[@frankcoffey]

Exactly. But are they getting any money from the ones they provide cover for? It doesn't look like it, it looks like they are wasting their own money.

[@scottmcshannon6821]

there is nothing that can now save toyota, they have failed to much.

[@FUD-o8u]

Hydrogen is not cost-effective. The energy needed to extract hydrogen = just charge an electric car.

[@RussellFineArt]

H2 is not energy dense and those silly H2 canisters can only store 10-20 miles of range and still come from methane gas, then pumped into canisters, transported, sticking customers with HUGE fuel costs. Still makes NO sense.

[@hardcoreherbivore4730]

Hydrogen is energy dense, but its volumetric density is poor. That and it’s very difficult to contain. Imagine parking your car at home and losing 20% of the range overnight. Also, extremely volatile explosive from 5-75% concentrations.

[@perryallan3524]

These will not be canisters of high pressure H2. It will be canisters of medium to low pressure H2 with most of the H2 stored in a metal hydride material which can hold a lot more H2 than if you just compressed it. Very similar as to how acetylene gas for cutting and brazing/welding/soldering torches is stored is stored in acetone in an acetylene cylinder (the cylinder is filled with a very porous form of concrete, then filled with acetone. Then the acetone absorbs acetylene at a modest pressure, and releases it when the pressure drops. There is no need for any high pressure acetylene gas. There will be no need for high pressure H2 gas cylinders either.

[@hardcoreherbivore4730]

@@perryallan3524 The weight of that storage system is 100x the weight of the actual Hydrogen stored. That’s very impractical for a passenger car. While still being far less efficient than a BEV. Considering the current speed of innovation for batteries, this type of system doesn’t have a chance. Typical noise from Toyota.

[@ouethojlkjn]

If this is the case , then why on earth don't the cars have this canister technology built in already?​@@perryallan3524

[@UKenGB]

​@@hardcoreherbivore4730 Depends on the definition of energy density. Hydrogen is indeed energy dense by weight, but because it is so light (lightest possible element in the entire Universe), it is not energy dense by volume and since it cannot exist as a liquid at room temperature, it requires a huge volume of gas to get that weight and its energy which means compressing it to 10,000 psi (nearly 700 atmospheres which is more than recently crushed the Titan submersible) for use as a fuel, carried in a car. Any gas container at 700 atmospheres is risky and heavy due to the need to be so very strong. Then there's the problem that you cannot prevent Hydrogen from leaking. Not fast maybe, but you cannot stop it and of course it is highly combustible. Bomb is a good description. Anyone claiming batteries are such a fire risk needs to check the real stats that show their propensity to catch fire is actually so much lower than an ICE. So can Toyotas latest cranky idea work? Yes, but does it make sense? No. Is it even real? Probably not.

[@JoeyBlogs007]

It's just too costly and can't compete with EV supercharging which is already emerging as the next step for EV rollout.

[@scb822]

What is the expected range of a cartridge? 100km, 10km, 1km, or the next corner.

[@philiptaylor7902]

Exactly!

[@Seventh7Art]

Each cartridge is expected to last at least a few seconds before it explodes LOL.

[@bigskygeneration4474]

Drivers will have to pick up cannisters like Ms. Packman.

[@Myrslokstok]

Next hydro station!

[@scb822]

@@Myrslokstok Jeeze, that means there will be millions of them. HaHa

[@glike2]

The irony of Toyota saying they want to save jobs when they had such short term thinking that they are well on the way to destroying Toyota jobs

[@nelsondisalvatore9812]

So they have this incredible explosive gas, pressurised to god knows how many psi, that they are juat gonna sell to people and that would be safe. Oh but EVs are dangerous because batteries explode

[@michaelnurse9089]

Modern EVs still do explode - they just do so at a rate roughly 10x less often than ICE cars. Any heavy concentration of energy has risk of explosion.

[@cryptoistheway2738]

In opposition to highly explosive lithium. All energy dense materials are dangerous.

[@tysonn4736]

@@cryptoistheway2738 I bet you are typing in that message on your highly dangerous phone or laptop, which also uses lithium batteries.

[@perryallan3524]

These will not be canisters of high pressure H2. It will be canisters of medium to low pressure H2 with most of the H2 stored in a metal hydride material which can hold a lot more H2 than if you just compressed it. Very similar as to how acetylene gas for cutting and brazing/welding/soldering torches is stored is stored in acetone in an acetylene cylinder (the cylinder is filled with a very porous form of concrete, then filled with acetone. Then the acetone absorbs acetylene at a modest pressure, and releases it when the pressure drops. There is no need for any high pressure acetylene gas. There will be no need for high pressure H2 gas cylinders either. The release rate of the hydrogen from the metal hydride prevents an explosion of all of the hydrogen stored. But, there can be a somewhat long fire after the initial free H2 burns off,

[@nelsondisalvatore9812]

@perryallan3524 I'm curious, what type of hydrate material could they possibly use? For what I know most materials that can store hydrogen are very expensive metal alloys if I'm not mistaken?

[@carusmike]

if there's any surplus energy, store in large land based batteries. Use hydrogen for extreme situations only.

[@Will-be-free]

Yes, like flying a rocket to outer space.

[@carusmike]

@@Will-be-free I'm not very knowledgeable on that science so I'll leave it to those who are to comment

[@EenYouTubeGebruiker]

That's also the only way to get affordable green hydrogen.

[@stcredzero]

The idea of a "Two Hour Charge" is misinformation that's as-good-as-a-lie. Either I'm charging my Tesla at home, when I'm asleep, when the time hits midnight, and rates are cheapest, or it's on a road trip at a supercharger stop, and my wife and I have to hurry to finish our coffee and snack to get back to the car before it hits 80%.

[@tysonfinn1470]

People don't like facts today. It's weird

[@RawandCookedVegan]

What's astonishing is how far ahead Toyota was and now how far behind it is.

[@Steve-gl1ij]

No matter what, hydrogen vehicles are too expensive and too complicated. They try so hard to maintain their 'advantages' but actually Toyota will sink with this dilutional project.

[@johnmeeks7320]

Delusional

[@andrewsarchus4238]

According to Inside-EVs, you would need to carry 35 cartridges to completely refill the tank. So no space for any passengers or luggage - only cartridges! 😂

[@tysonfinn1470]

It looks ridiculous to me

[@daviddawkins2829]

I suddenly had a flash of the days of bread, milk, and ice. I can just see hydrogen delivered by horse and cart straight to your doorstep.

[@TechNewsEV]

Really interesting take on Toyota's hydrogen cartridges! It's fascinating to see how this could change the landscape of clean energy vehicles. While I appreciate the innovation, I’m curious about the efficiency compared to EVs. Can hydrogen truly compete in the long run? Looking forward to seeing how this develops! Great video, Electric Viking! 👍

[@wkrp10splayer19]

so safe and convenient that i went into TSA line, having forgot i had one in my backpack

[@tims8603]

The canisters would have to be made of some kind of composite material. H2 seeps through most metals because it's such a tiny molecule. Composites would fracture in a collision.

[@CiaranMcHale]

I'm not trying to disagree with you, but I'm wondering if having a metal outer shell with a composite lining address the concern you raise? If so, then that would address one concern of hydrogen, but there are still many other concerns remaining.

[@kensmith5694]

There are plastics that hydrogen won't go through. They would be an inner layer. Outside of that can be anything strong enough.

[@Myrslokstok]

Isn't there some temperature isuess as well high/low, and you don't want to push it!

[@nickmcconnell1291]

Swappable battery packs are great until there is a queue of cars. Then you can easily wait 20 minutes to just get your pack swapped. Might as well just recharge the one you have.

[@erktrek]

The other issue is the different size and format packs and keeping them all in stock. Inventory becomes problematic at scale.

[@rogerphelps9939]

@@erktrek Absolutely. A very poor business model that is obsolete with current high capacity batteries and short charging ttimes.

[@tysonfinn1470]

I wouldn't want other batteries. Who knows what people have done to them. Then you've got the constant disconnect and reconnecting causing wear.

[@rogerphelps9939]

@@tysonfinn1470 Absolutely.

[@nickmcconnell1291]

@@tysonfinn1470 I have specifically thought of those issues. Makes sense that the connectors would see a lot of wear over time no matter how accurate the machinery is at connecting and disconnecting the battery pack.

[@frankcoffey]

Doesn't anyone remember what happened when they bought an ink jet printer? There is no way to know in advance how expensive those cartridges will get and you can't make your own hydrogen to refill them. I can see how Toyota would consider this an "improvement" over EVs.

[@N0rdman]

What is wrong with Toyota and BMW? I'm not saying I'm the smartest in the world, in fact I am SURE both BMW and Toyota employ much smarter engineers, but anyone who can do arithmetic and add should understand hydrogen can never compete with electricity as if you want to make clean hydrogen; you have to convert electricity to to hydrogen with perhaps 30% efficiency, then cool the hydrogen to liquid, then transport it, then burn it in a a car or convert it with a fuel cell with another loss of 60% to 70% to just transmit electricity over the grid to a car battery. Hydrogen will ALWAYS be less efficient and cost between 5 to 7 times more than an EV to transport itself the same distance.

[@MarcoNierop]

Exactly.. and when something is multiple times more expensive than its incumbent technology.. it will never happen. Hydrogen is also 3-5 times more expensive than gasoline or diesel. The EU has tried with several subsidized projects to push Hydrogen (thanks to the oil and gas lobby groups), they all failed because people and businesses cant swallow the super high costs to fuel hydrogen cars/busses/whatever.

[@lordofsevenrealms]

Toyota and BMW cannot compete against Chinese EVs on price...and the EV transition will make the luxury segments redundant....that is why they are desperately trying to redefine the industry...but sadly for them, battery tech is also progressing at a rapid pace....which means one of two things are gonna happen Either they endup going bankrupt or they initiate a pricewar against the Chinese EVs....fun times ahead

[@bobwallace9753]

I think transport cost will be more like 10x more. A gasoline tanker sized truck carrying hydrogen packs about 1/10th as much energy as a gas tanker. You forgot the cost of hydrogen service stations. Both the cost of the station and the staff to run it.

[@JCSY1]

Yes indeed.

[@loktom4068]

The WEST got panicked that their EV dream about to come true. But lead by CHINA turning their $WEET dream into pure nightmare. Now they wanna you U turning to something completely different for the sake of not admitting they failed to be the leader of clean EVS.

[@Brian-om2hh]

I've never waited 2 hours to charge my EV. The longest I ever waited at a public charger was around 50 minutes. I ate lunch while it charged...

[@thefrogmancan]

What a horrible idea！😱 Encase 5kg of H in a well fortify car frame is one thing, but allowing non-professional to transport/handle pressurized H tanks is just unthinkable. I guess it takes a country that builds nuclear reactors on earthquake/tsunami zones to come up with such disastrous ideas😅

[@someone6170]

Hydrogen cars looked like more of a possible future in say 2010 when a Nissan Leaf had a range of 117km (73 miles) and they were claiming that this was adequate for about 90% of consumers. With prices of EV's quickly coming down, charging times dramatically reducing, and range greatly increased, once sufficient charging infrastructure is in place the dream of hydrogen cars taking over will be dead and buried.

[@palm1231]

Sam, the only important thing is "how much money do I need to do 100 kms?" In France, charging an EV costs 13 cts of Euro /kWh at home (Tempo from EDF), so with my consumption of 17 kWh/100 kms (highway...), I pay 2,21 Euros for 100 kms for a hydrogen car, 1 kg can do 100 kms, so what is the price of 1 kg? People already complain ICE car costs too much fuel, the price is the key

[@hectorwinslove6154]

Retail is about 18.00 Euro / kg

[@palm1231]

@@hectorwinslove6154 in France ICE users pay a little less than 2 euros/liter, about 6 liters/100 kms, so about 10 Euros, and they complain it is too expensive. 18 Euros? no way!

[@jjamespacbell]

In California you get to buy for >$30 per kg. (if the station has not closed)

[@alex.velasco]

To be fair to Toyota and BMW, the future of the automotive industry WAS hydrogen. Unfortunately, that moment has passed.

[@br7485]

Wow, that’s a solution for all types of EVs travelling in countries and places with scarcity of charging stations: you just plug the H2 cartridge to your Tesla (via some adapter) somewhere in the mountains or in a desert, and you go another 300 miles!

[@john_p]

The longer Toyota takes to boot Akio out the door, the closer they come to their demise. End the hydrogen foolishness.

[@RenlangRen]

Have they reduced the cost to where it is not grossly more expensive than gasoline?

[@rogerphelps9939]

No.

[@chilzone966]

Toyota just needs to put up or shut up at this point. Why they are not being sued for misleading the public with these claims. Does Toyoda and lackies carry no fiduciary responsibility for misleading public investors?

[@yo2trader539]

None of this mentioned in Japanese media. And hydrogen research is for the future.

[@christophreuter9572]

Oh no…..not again!

[@deansmith4752]

What is the volume of the hydrogen in the tanks? How are they handling cooling condensation

[@royh6526]

So are these cannisters good for 2 or 3 miles of driving? Toyota Mirai sales in California have dropped below 200 cars per quarter this year. I think this means Toyota has finally given up on the Mirai. Sales likewise down in Japan.

[@yokaibyte2133]

In Taiwan, they have a battery swap system not unlike what you are talking about but for e-bikes. I really hope it comes to where I live.

[@viking1au]

In Warburton, just outside Melbourne, Victoria an older Ford blew up in the last week.. How? The driver was transporting a defective L.P. Gas bottle in the rear and smoking a cigarette at the same time...There were a few bangs, the driver got out somehow, then the car erupted, with constant bangs like mini explosions, until the car was totally engulfed by fire...It took some time for fire brigade to put it out.. Not much could be done until the gas bottle had emptied.

[@sun-man]

As soon as I can fill these hydrogen canisters at home, I'm switching,

[@lordofsevenrealms]

It might be possible in the future....renewables surplus might make it possible for small scale home H2 electrolyzers to make its way...atleast in theory. Even if this tech doesn't takeoff for the passenger vehicle sector, it might find traction in the construction, heavy vehicle sector But if it's got to be purchased separately like gas, then it's at the mercy of the market

[@GruffSillyGoat]

@@lordofsevenrealms - any surplus should first be directed to more efficient forms of energy storage (battery, heat), given hydrogen requires three times the energy input compared to that returned (best case).

[@lordofsevenrealms]

@@GruffSillyGoat efficiency doesn't matter when energy abundance is achieved...versatility will take precedence...H2 produced from excess solar, can be redirected to fuel cells to generate electricity at nights....it's always wise to not put all eggs in one basket...that too when it the eggs are gonna be free in the days to come

[@PureAlbania]

Why would you be converting energy to H2 and then back!? Not even talking about the explosive instability of H2​@@lordofsevenrealms

[@lordofsevenrealms]

@PureAlbania versatility, there maybe sectors where battery tech might not be practical...like maritime

[@philiptaylor7902]

And what would the range of each these canisters be?

[@paulgoffin8054]

Sam, watch Just Have a Think's video from a couple of weeks back. In 15 minutes you'll understand why Hydrogen can't ever be a fuel for cars.

[@johndoyle4723]

Is it April the first?

[@jonathancardy9941]

If this had come along ten years ago, and they'd also had a cheap green way to make hydrogen, then maybe this would have been relevant. As it is, maybe make a note of this in case we ever decide to ban electricity.

[@CheeseLovingGuy]

😂😂😂 The little one at the start just make the normal tank a very tiny touch larger. The larger one is massive and needs to be.

[@markrowland1366]

Three months back, Mr Toyoda faced a camera and said lieing was how he did business. Having hydrogen on the surface of casetts which could power a hydrogen car for short periods but could be loaded quickly.

[@greghelton4668]

Hydrogen in itself isn’t the problem. The problem is the energy wasted to obtain hydrogen. The required energy is determined and understood via chemistry and physics and even Toyota can’t get around that. Spot on regarding this point Sam.

[@johnlodge8546]

I disagree. Hydrogen has terrible volumetric density. It compromises all the materials it comes in contact with. It's the houdini of all elements escaping containment which makes VERY dangerous. It has one of the largest ranges of Flashpoint based on its percentage in ambient air.

[@jsanders100]

They look like…. Batteries

[@RichardBacon-h5x]

I was just about to say the same 😂

[@javelinXH992]

Soda Stream.

[@EnriqueAThieleSolivan]

Makes a lot more sense as an extra energy source for homes. It will depend on cost vs 'solar generators" or a Tesla Powercell. vs the hydrogen canister, on a moving vehicle probably never.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

With hydrogen you'd still need to put in 3x the energy in for that returned aswell as pay for the expensive hydrogen generator maintenance (membranes and catalysts involved are not cheap). The micro sized home flow batteries are better options if expandability is the need.

[@gazafred2]

In Principle the idea of Hydrogen ICE works but still a lot of bugs to work out before it becomes mainstream and too costly for most but the so are SSD batteries but companies say they are the next advance.

[@loktom4068]

This whole scenario is like comparing the once upon a time invincible mighty KODAK 🎥 film RIP trying to resist the technology of digital camera and digital media storage. Sadly to say KODAK actually invented the digital camera technology first, but doesn't wanna it to be the popular device for the use as advanced media. RIP for mighty KODAK.

[@rozonoemi9374]

Let Toyota play with there toy-toy & let them spends Billions that they don't have, while BEV with eat there lunch.

[@tellymassaras3254]

It all comes down to the cost of the car and the cost of the cartridges. If they bring the cost down to $30k for the car and $39-$40 for a full cartridge then this could work. Initially you could pick up a cartridge at a Toyota dealership but if this picks up you could pick them up at Costco or Walmart. BTW. A hydrogen fire is no worse than a gasoline fire

[@deanmcmanis9398]

It takes about 35 of these canisters to fill a Toyota Mirai, and they only provide about 9 miles of range per canister. Plus they aren't soda can sized like they look in some pictures, they are about 10" across and 2ft tall! ...X35, for 314 miles. I prefer Gogoro's upcoming solid state swappable batteries. You could put 4 of them into an efficient EV like the Aptera and drive 100 miles, plus you could recharge them with a 110V outlet at home. Or using the onboard solar.

[@allenmoses110]

Brilliant!

[@demokraatti]

Even ”normal” hydrogen is too expensive. Hydrogen in those cells would cost even more and that cell can contain only a small amount of that extra precious hydrogen.

[@perryallan3524]

The canister will be filled with a metal hydride that absorbs and holds a lot of H2 at modest pressures. I suspect you will be surprised at the amount of H2 that can be stored that way. Very similar to how acetylene gas for cutting, welding, brazing, and soldering is stored in a cylinder of acetone soaked porous concrete and not as a high pressure gas.

[@demokraatti]

@@perryallan3524 The cost of that would be insane.

[@perryallan3524]

@@demokraatti Toyota does not think so. There is a lot of research going on about more cost effective H2 storage. Just last night I was reading that organic fluids can hold up far more H2 than hydrides. As for insane. At this point in time if an electric car battery needs replacement out of warrantee... the car is virtually always scrapped. Now that is insane. The Average ICE car last over 30 years unless its destroyed in a crash or other event. At this point the Average EV car last perhaps 10 years. Total financial insanity.

[@victorsvoice7978]

So, every household is going to have dangerous gas canisters sitting in their garage or driveway. One leak, and you get blown up or a fire starts. Insanity! Electricity is safe, and the infrastructure is already installed in most homes and buildings.

[@tysonfinn1470]

How far will those cannisters take you? Like 10km s?

[@ajemohaltom3560]

This is more of Toyota's cozy relationship with Fossil Fuel producers. Specifically natural gas and coal.

[@scottbarrett4746]

A decent range from a hydrogen canister is going to require a damned sight bigger, heavier canister than shown here. I call BS.

[@JaymianF]

Just imagine a 100+ car pile-up in this hydrogen-powered-dystopic-fever-dream, and one part fails...

[@williambianchi2006]

Unless something changed, it takes roughly 3 units of electricity to electrolyze 1 equivalent unit of hydrogen. I can not see how putting, say, 3 kilowatts of electricity into the electrilyzer in order to get 1 kilowatt equivalent of hydrogen will be cost effective. Hydrogen is a storage medium for energy, not a source, so I see hydrogen as performing the same function as batteries. If you want to go darker, I see companies and government as wanting to use hydrogen so they can better control profit margins and energy distribution, and hence control people, with a metaphorical flip of a switch. That is not so easy if people own and use solar panels to charge battery banks they also own. (Have to flip a lot of switches to shut off individually owned solar and batteries, so it would be harder to control people with a threat of a blackout.) I think it is now too late for a hydrogen economy as battery technology can and does perform better at a lower cost. Time will tell.

[@jclive4773]

do the cannisters travel at 270,000 km/s?

[@eu7435]

Here in California, we have 43 hydrogen fueling stations. Shell closed 6 in Febuary. Toyota gives 3 free years of fueling with every lease because hydrogen fueling would be too expensive otherwise.

[@Terkini-pr1nj]

But AVL already make ICE hydrogen base engine with good perform

[@TB-up4xi]

ICE hydrogen is even less efficient than hydrogen fuel cells

[@larryc1616]

​@Terkini-pr1nj hydrogen powered EV's are 3x more efficient than hydrogen powered ICE. No car manufacturer will ever make hydrogen powered ICE over hydrogen powered EV's

[@edgallagher8675]

How many kg's of hydrogen does one of those hold? I'll bet not more than 1 or 2. a kg of hydrogen has the same energy as a US gallon of diesel.

[@edgallagher8675]

I just found the answer to my own question. They hold about 161 grams of h2, so about 6 of these would be needed for 1 kg. So I guess about 10 miles of range.

[@EPeltzer]

161 g of hydrogen in each canister is the answer not given in this video. So this would give you what about 10 miles of range per canister. Utterly ridiculous idea.

[@jeffreymckie3328]

How much energy does it take to compress hydrogen to 1 gal of liquid hydrogen?

[@hvxcolors396]

The representative of Dutch/German energy company Uniper just revealed on Npo Radio 1 (Sven op 1, 22 10 2024) that the market for green hydrogen in The Netherlands is dead because the price is too high. There were plans to connect industry via new pipelines, but the industry is not interested in the offering at current prices. Can a Toyota representative tell us here on this channel where they will get the hydrogen from? Do consumers have to pay prices which are considered as too high and uncompetitive by the industry?

[@MH44444]

Maybe hydrogen could be used for home heating or something. I think the area where cars need more range and power is towing. A supplemental fuel source that can charge the battery while the vehicle is in motion to extend tow range could be really useful on a truck. But small gasoline engines charging the battery to extend range seem like the solution for now. By the time hydrogen gets ready for that kind of thing range of battery trucks will be so good that that supplemental power to extend range won't be necessary. Towing can reduce range by 50 percent so a vehicle really needs a range of 800 miles to be a really good electric tow vehicle.

[@fjalics]

The advantage to this idea, would be that you could sell these things at gas stations that don't have hydrogen allowing them to travel farther. The disadvantage is they will be horribly expensive, and nobody will drive hydrogen cars, so nobody will stock them.

[@elmojito]

I would like to see what the cost comparison would be of their hydrogen car, including fueling costs, with an electric car both for charging at charging stations and at home with both buying the electricity and self produced with solar. It is utter nonsense that it would make economic sense.

[@thebeautifulones5436]

Hydrogen for transport? Oh the humanity!

[@kengkuanlooi5864]

The only person who believes what toyota says about hydrogen is the toyota chairman himself

[@hugowells3052]

When is Toyota going to admit that they bet on the wrong horse?

[@guringai]

Rooftop solar, into batteries is still a better option. It takes 3x more energy per km with hydrogen than battery EV

[@clueless485]

Sam cannot hide his smirk.

[@twostate7822]

This is unbelievable news!!! This month was supposed to be about 745 mile solid state batteries, and next month is how great are hybrid month, and December is supposed to be V8 hydrogen engine month. Hydrogen cartridge news is not supposed to be repeated until January 2025. When is Toyota going to announce that they will be relaunching the Hindenburg??? Also, who takes 2 hours to charge their EV on a level 3 charger? Sure, Level 1 can take days to fully recharge an EV, and Level 2 can take all night, but most level 3 charging can be done to 80% in 20-30 minutes.

[@frankcoffey]

Cartridges are a consumable trap and consumers know it. Think inkjet printers.

[@hendrx]

So they want to convert "excess electricity" to hydrogen? I have an idea, operate the vehicle with batteries instead

[@grosuciprian]

hydrogen is the future of transportation in long distance hauling and freight, for light urban mobility u can't beat electified mobility

[@bst3690]

Tesla semi says otherwise

[@GruffSillyGoat]

Seems HGV makers don't agree, Scania has dropped it's hydrogen range to focus on battery instead for most uses and potentially alternative e-fuels for the extreme long range use cases.

[@aware2action]

The issue with Toyota is their inability to see the needs for a complete solution and instead limiting themselves to an efficient automaker. Tesla started the EV revolution thinking about adoption of whole EV ecosystem eventhough, they were still a struggling new automaker. Rest is history now. ❤👍

[@euphegeniadoubtfire1364]

Toyota and its supporters have been flapping their lips about this and that and how the company's innovations would be gamechangers in the industry. But the better question they cannot answer is when?

[@MarcoNierop]

Another test baloon, when it floats too high it pops. No way this will ever be adopted.. From what I see these cylinders are huge! which has its effect on usable space of the car.. and if you want to take a few with you, there is probably no space left to place your kids or cargo! Leakage guaranteed, that is just inevitable with these swappable things, seals wear or get misformed, mechanincs wear out and get sloppy and as a result of that: fires and explosions guaranteed. No thank you, I would avoid this as the plague.

[@nr5494]

Would Toyota cartridges be self filling?

[@michaelnurse9089]

Sure. Will it with water then plug them into a Supercharger. It will cost $5000 to fill it though and explode if you bump it.

[@rdkilla6414]

yo holy shit they can power a cooking stove? that will definitely get me 500miles

[@TheHughsie]

I think they are crazy continuing with this. They would be better off going with e-fuels instead like Porsche. Just saying sam regarding the bomb comment. Everything can be used as a bomb. Petrol cars, hybrids, Electric anything. Just got to make it release enough energy fast enough.

[@Brian-om2hh]

E fuels are the road to nowhere. There are a number of companies trying to perfect it right now, and all have come up against the same issue. Cost. You can buy Aspen synthetic petrol today in Britain, and it's been on sale for decades. It costs around £25 per gallon. See what I mean? Porsche are looking at e fuels simply as a way to sustain their motorsport activities once normal gas/petrol becomes less available. There is talk of a manufacturing plant in Chile, which it is alleged will eventually be able to produce 500 million litres per year. The World uses more gas/petrol than that in a single *day* There is never going to be enough for everyone to use it. The US alone would need 200+ plus manufacturing plants like the one planned for Chile, to supply it's needs....

[@tonycosta3302]

It’s no more risk than a propane vehicle. The real question is how far you get on a cartridge. If it’s just 20-30 miles, why bother.

[@buixote]

Do they claim that regenerative braking will work with H2?

[@javelinXH992]

No reason you couldn’t have a smallish battery to harvest regen energy and release it during acceleration.

[@rogerphelps9939]

@@javelinXH992 All FCEVs must have a battery to provide power surges because the fuel cell cannot handle the demand.

[@javelinXH992]

@@rogerphelps9939 Yes, you are right of course, I forgot the fuel cell fills the battery at a certain rate then the battery runs the vehicle.

[@kensmith5694]

"What they claim to believe" You can't say for sure they believe the BS.

[@chasx7062]

Hydrogen is better for larger commercial vehicles: buses, trucks semi etc, not for small passenger ones

[@EnriqueAThieleSolivan]

It already has been proved by trucking companies that H2 is not feasible for Semi's. It was still to costly vs an ev semi.

[@erktrek]

@@EnriqueAThieleSolivan And yet there are still new H2 bus projects popping up over here in the US. Philadelphia and Rochester are 2 that come to mind. What a waste of money.

[@chasx7062]

@EnriqueAThieleSolivan Do you have a link? Not that I don't trust you... it's seems obvious a battery pack would be TOO heavy, takes too long to recharge, for long haul semi's and that's why you don't hear about Tesla semi's any more!

[@chasx7062]

@@erktrek Naturally, H2 production costs will be high at the start, but once the system is in place, the cost will fall

[@chasx7062]

@@EnriqueAThieleSolivan Do you have a link/source? Not that I don't trust you... it just seems obvious a battery pack would be TOO heavy, takes TOO long to recharge, for long haul semi's and that's why you don't hear about Tesla semi's any more!

[@22nikkoAA]

And the canister equals gas at $5 a gallon?

[@davideriksen2434]

im a life long democrat my dad was a democrat i just cant support them any more the way the dems ran the country into the ground and tell us its ok ill be voting republican from now on

[@davidpickard9393]

Could you carry a few of these cartridges in your back pocket 😂

[@jeffreymckie3328]

No more 2 hour ev charging ??. The only time I charge two hours is while I’m sleeping. I have lost so much respect for Toyota. Where is their honesty and self respect?

[@gdr38515]

Well lets wait and see. It seems a lot more environmentally friendly than EV batteries.

[@jkselama4698]

Whatever happened to Toyota's super-duper solid-state battery that will put all other battery makers out of business?

[@Meatball2022]

If this was the solution they’d just build the “canisters” into a permanent tank. What’s their grand plan. People have to lug around a bunch of hydrogen canisters? Ridiculous

[@cosmoray9750]

Literally. " A thermonuclear weapon, fusion weapon or hydrogen bomb (H bomb) is a second-generation nuclear weapon design. "

[@AbdullahTech]

I was 😂 at the bomb comments, goodness I didn't know it was purchased to be used in a war zone.