Toyota Supra 2021 review | the A90 is a BMW, but does that matter? | Chasing Cars

We test the updated Toyota Supra GTS 375hp and see what this sports coupe is like to drive.
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It’s fair to say that Toyota could have built the A90 Supra themselves without BMW. Maybe they should have done. But either way, we’ve ended up with a powerful, turbo six-cylinder RWD coupe that has awesome grip levels, good handling and arguably very cool styling. So should the Mk 5 Supra cop this much hate?
The Toyota Supra competes primarily with the BMW M2 and forthcoming Nissan Z. Does it stack up?
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Time codes:
0:00 - What is the Toyota Supra?
2:30 - Supra GTS interior
6:01 - Design
6:55 - Boot
7:27 - Running costs
9:15 - What is the Supra like to drive?
17:12 - Toyota Supra verdict

[@MrTimstaaa]

One small detail that a lot of people are probably not aware of is that during engine development of this engine at the BMW factory for the Supra, Toyota engineers pulled apart 5 of these engines and packaged them up and sent them back to HQ in Japan to be tested and improved. The Japanese engineers already knew where BMW engines tend to have problems so fixed these areas and got BMW to manufacture them in this format. I'm not sure if BMW has used these improvements in their own cars but if they haven't then the engines in the Supras are probably a little more reliable. I know this cause I was working at Toyota at the time.

[@Mrpancake72]

I could be wrong, but I believe the engine in the Supra has a different engine code than early b58s

[@micster4699]

I read about this not long ago, apparently during development everytime Toyota tested the BMW engine a different thing failed so they fixed it, so it’s pretty much got full Toyota reliability, it could be false though but honestly I believe it

[@Ultreras]

@@Mrpancake72 B58B30C is the engine code for the 2020 Supra and it’s the only application for this engine - no other shared platforms (I believe this may be the engine Toyota reviewed/revised). B58B30O1 is the 2021+ Supra engine code which is shared with 7 other platforms from BMW.

[@spectech73]

I have a 2019 Audi S5. I just picked up a 2022 Supra. The two cars are not comparable. Supra is a brilliant car.

[@evans3304]

First time I saw one of these in the flesh I thought what a great looking car.

[@pip333333]

Thanks for the video, Tom. I really love the honest, informative and down to earth assessment of every vehicle you test.

[@bman1668]

I don’t get it why people upset that interior is bmw? Bmw makes better quality interior than Toyota could ever make! And engine is decent too it’s been proven to make power like the old 2j so it’s success and worth the Supra name !

[@Skirk84]

I'm not upset that it's mostly BMW, I'm more upset about some of the styling choices, like the roof and the nose on the car. If it was a good looking car i might buy one even tho it doesnt have a manual. But no way i want one with no manual, no back seats and looking the way it does. I think the z4 looks better, and thats saying something

[@gerardrahman7687]

Hi Tom - a great balanced objective review - on something that polarises - personally I do admire this car just because it exists - and if I had the money I'd really consider it as there is little around that competes directly against it. Well done on this review - enjoyable as ever

[@chasingcars]

Thanks, Gerard. Wading my way through the two camps

[@gary162]

Hey Tom, great review and also think you summary on Fridays is very useful. Just one question…….Why is the dunny in the background every video lately?

[@stedy142]

Ha! Last time I was in that park down near Akuna Bay, I walked into that toilet block a saw a giant python swallowing an adult possum.

[@bigandrew07]

I think the a90 Supra is a beautiful car

[@brucehirst649]

Great review

[@TradeproAU]

Great review Tom.

[@marcusgeorge1825]

A great review and thoughts. Thank you. Would benefit from the Vicroads white on black slimline number plates. Just subscribed to your channel. 👍😎🇦🇺

[@MKu64]

Bro - I just watched your video. Although my expectations were low, I appreciate the content as it was very insightful. Thanks and apologies if I seemed critical. I removed my prior comment about my expectations because the video was good.

[@chasingcars]

That was good of you, thanks 👏🏼

[@salk6792]

Watch your language i have kids

[@thebigempty_5792]

I had a Datsun 280zx in high school (1992) I recently bought a 2006 Nissan 350Z. I personally really like the Supra and the new Z. I live in Texas and my main issues are: 1) The roads are under constant construction. There are pot holes everywhere. 2) There are huge trucks EVERYWHERE...Raptors, RAM TRX F-150/250/350 most of which are lifted. Their headlights hit my mirrors and constantly blind me. It's horrible. I don't remember it being that bad, so trucks are getting bigger and I'm getting older. It's just something I think about. It seems like I live in a sports car hell hole and the elements are out to kill it.

[@jwazftw4200]

So much content!

[@prashs5609]

Well Tom.. Great review, but you ignored the Zeliphant in the room Zoom Zoom Zed!

[@mandlamthembu2490]

Great review, as ever Question - are there driving reviews of the Landcruiser 300 on the horizon?

[@chasingcars]

Mid October!

[@mandlamthembu2490]

Awesome. Please give the interior and tech a proper going over The 4x4 credentials are surely impeachable by experience and reputation

[@hunterhalcombe7558]

awesome review !!!!

[@chasingcars]

Thank you Hunter!

[@gojo5265]

Hey, could you review the Audi A3 with some comparison on the hatch and sedan versions please

[@chasingcars]

As soon as it launches in Australia we will have heaps of A3 content for you

[@Michael_Mears]

Check out Silverstone Yellow. Stunning!

[@chasingcars]

Great colour!

[@nongpraduwarrior5375]

Proper video for a proper car! The Supra is underrated IMO. It's a devilishly fun vehicle. It might not be for everyone but the performance and aftermarket on the MKV Supra is amazing.

[@malcolmscott4150]

In red yes please - was bothered at lack of Toyota input into this car but given limited options glad it exists however GR Yaris and even GR86 coming would be my preference as 2 seats impractical for me however if I had the $ yes please!

[@paulmoons]

I know its Victoria but dude, could you possibly drive a Sportscar any slower for those exterior shots?

[@73willyg]

Did you open the windows ? The buffeting is shocking.

[@marcallward1956]

125$ fix

[@marcallward1956]

they should have fixed it in the 2021 and they didn't :(

[@da900smoove1]

It means there's alot of Plastic Parts used in the Engine and Engine Bay Area.....So Don't think you'll get past 80-100k without Major Costly Repairs Setting In for Timing Chain Guide, Water Pump Assembly & Coolant Hoses,Electric Parking Brake & Electric Power Steering

[@da900smoove1]

@@user-io4sr7vg1v I doubt seriously that Toyota convinced BMW to Not Use Plastic Timing Chain Guides inside the Engine, Water Pump Assemblies, Radiators or stop placing Heat Sensative Computer Control Modules on the Engine Bay Side of the Dash vs the Passenger Side Just for Thier Vehicles Coming down the Same Assembly Line In Austria....Especially a Vehicle that's Not Going to Be Selling in the Millions Over the Design Production Life Span....The Industry has Bean Counters whom Calculate the Risk Cost of Various Parts & Designs & Maintenance Costs... They're not changing those out just 1 a SMALL Customer Base putting maybe 10-15k miles a year on their vehicles with 6yr 80-100k mile warranty.....6yrs will pass before 75% of cars hit 80k miles and whole new cars maybe developed/designed that the Gotta Have It Now Generation will Jump On

[@nhg167]

B58 is a massive improvement from the n55 issues

[@tommays56]

The whole point of Toyota is to avoid all the painful long term BMW repair costs I was really disappointed when I saw it at dealer brand new with already rusted rotors

[@letsseeif]

In the early nineteen sixties I purchased a new E Type Jaguar. This Supra does not seem like a car that's advanced by a further 60 years plus.

[@kayanoreeves1949]

If this was sold as a BMW Z4 Coupe everyone would love the styling and performance. It would also cost 25% more.

[@borla4491]

The BMW Z4 was going to get the axe if not for Toyota

[@tonysmith3021]

Another great review even thought its not car I would buy. The question touched on but didn’t answer is, why wouldn’t Toyota build their own car from scratch?

[@carboydorifutoparty3976]

No one would buy it. People barely buy the homemade coupes they've had for years and also being pretty expensive for what they are so it'd make sense for them to just collab to make things cheaper since it'd be we'll too expensive for the cars they wanted the mk5 to go against if they where to do it themselves.

[@carboydorifutoparty3976]

@@nessuno5403 here's the thing tho. Nissan and Honda might be in honor of making the nsx and R35,but. The R35 is 10+ years old and barely had any updates + they're still asking 100+k for it and its barely selling plus with the company being near bankrupt by this point. And it shows even more with them reusing parts or existing parts with the Z. In hondas case the nsx is a good car but they were barely able to sell it that even dropping its price didnt help. And in toyos case if the current mk5 is already just as fast if not faster than the RC and cheaper than the RCF then there is no reason to even use it especially with it weight more than the mk5 as well. If even the track editions get walked by the base mk5 while being 50-60k more that clearly says it would've been beyond stupid to make the RC the new mk5 if it can't even touch the mk5 stock and can't really do most of the stuff people have been doing with the mk5s since they came out. And even if toyo is a million dollar company they aren't gonna waste time on a dying market like the sportscar market is when they know pretty clearly that people aren't gonna buy the car when its gonna be expensive in the 1st place and Lexus made that very clear for them to see that.

[@carboydorifutoparty3976]

@@nessuno5403 in yaris's case they already had a chassis for it and etc but didn't have a engine,plus it was funded by the sales + with the yaris being around for God knows how long now so that was easy to do. Plus the GR hypercar really isn't even going to be sold much at all and not even in close to numbers to a mk5 that it even costs over a mill just to get. And if the mk5 was a badly designed Z4 coupe it wouldn't have people going around tossing power at them left and right without a second thought,tracking them to death,wouldn't have people tossing them back to back at strips,and it surely wouldn't have a booming aftermarket like it does if it was worse than the Z4. Plus the Z4 is rarely present at all in the fields that the mk5s seen in so it's pretty far from being worse.

[@carboydorifutoparty3976]

@@nessuno5403 yea mazdas making a I6 but that's for well more than 1 car. Toyo wasn't going to do the same. Toyo also wanted the mk5 to be out before 2020 hit and and we'll probably not even see mazdas i6 powered cars till 2023 so there was no way that was ever going to happen in such a short time. If anything,it was already said the mk5 would be around till 2025 or maybe 26. If anything,they already made their deal with bmw so they don't care as long as bmw gives them the parts,and even then toyos done more with the mk5 than bmw has with the Z4 that even before the end of 2021 they had the Z4 on the list of cars they'd be chopping off their line up even tho the new Z4 was barely 2 years old at that time but changed their minds. Even if BMW stops making the Z4 the mk5 will more than likely advance anyway since toyo had a deal with them plus BMW themselves didn't look like they had a care in the world about it since it came out and it shows since it doesn't even get the M\\\ treatment like the other cars in their line up to nor has it had any sort of updates since it came out.

[@carboydorifutoparty3976]

@@nessuno5403 but how many cars are they going to put that i6 in exactly? And will it be in a price range that's right where its competition stands and not over. Mind you,toyos been using the same engines in multiple platforms for years now and them going i6 in platforms that aren't made for it is asking them to toss a ton a money down the drain knowing that they'd have no reason to even do that in the 1st place knowing they're trying to transition every car(including the whole Lexus line up)to go EV so there would be no reason at all to even make a from scratch i6 for them when they're already closing in on going full EV with everything. Plus,if the supra sucked that badly then the many comparisons that people make it going against the M2C wouldn't be brought up as much as it is now,especially with the Cayman. And other than them having their own advantages over the mk5,the mk5 itself still can hold its own against them while also being cheaper than both which is its main advantages over them. If they made the car on their own, who knows what it'd look like or would be as of now since Lexus can barely make a car that can even keep up with any of its own competition and that still heavily shows now that if even something like the RCF and RCF track can't keep up with its own competition and has more power than the mk5 and just barely beats it at points while also being more expensive then that clearly shows toyo would've made a disaster of making the mk5 themselves. Plus if it where that bad of a combo with the mk5 having the B58 then we'd clearly wouldn't see the sort of results people are having with them now,and yes the S58 is superior to the B58 but whos to say it won't get it in the long run? Toyos already said there would be a GRMN mk5 and for all we know it could either or be a S58 powered MK5 or supped up B58 so we'd have to wait and see. Now if the supra was a dissapointment then we'd clearly wouldn't see them doing as well as they currently are in the fields they've been thrown in. If anything,it can even be said that they really didn't need anything from toyo cause its not like its own community tried to do much at all with the other homemade rwd chassis they've had around for the past decade they could've used but practically brushed under the rug and acted like they didn't exist for sometime and are now yelling at them to either use parts,chassis,and etc when they clearly aren't using them in ways people are with the current mk5s other than dailies. I'll just say,even if it uses BMW parts its looking like mk5s are able to take a lot of abuse well more than anyones done with any of the rwd Lexus chassis have in the last 10 year's other than in the case If a daily driver and are even seeing good progress in all the fields they're tossed at so really. I don't see anything wrong with the mk5 as is even if it doesn't use parts from toyo since it looks like it's doing the exact same thing that made the 86 a success and is continuing to grow as time goes while all the other modern rwd toyos out now barely get looked at unless your a Lexus fan.

[@davidnguyen9409]

As an owner of a Supra, I still get goosebumps everytime I hop into mine. This car gets a lot of hate, for no good reason and mostly from people who have never driven one. I'm not too sure what expectations the public had for the current Supra in terms of performance. People are quick to forget that the JZA80 actually wasn't a supercar killer when it was released. It was more of a sporty GT, we often look back at old cars with rose-tinted glasses. It was heavy, and didn't handle anywhere near as well as the NSX or GTR. Oh, and it also came in automatic too. People like to omit that fact. Looks are subjective, and the Supra is definitely polarising. Those who love it, adore it and those that don't, hate it. Each to their own. I think the B58 and ZF combination is awesome. The motor is an absolute gem. It's been out on the market for years now, and hasn't developed a reputation for being a lemon yet, touch wood. N54's and N55's by this stage were notorious for their issues. People need to look beyond the badge. If you just want a nice comfortable sports car, like the JZA80 was, I'm telling you, the current generation Supra has those characteristics in spades. The performance numbers are a bonus. This thing tested by CarExpert, has lapped Queensland raceway only a few tenths off an AMG C63 and BMW M8, despite having significantly less power. It has lapped Laguna Seca faster than a BMW M2. It does sub 8-minutes at the Nurburgring. The chassis is potent. The Supra continues to be heavily underrated from many corners. But the numbers don't lie, and it's one of the best sports cars out there this side of 100k.

[@brycem0]

So it can't lap the Green Hell, quicker than a Civic type R or a Megane Trophy R. Nope, one problem with Supra is. Toyota went tight arse on all the touch points. Biggest problem, is the 400Z coming out. Sales numbers will confirm this.

[@davidnguyen9409]

@@brycem0 They might be quicker, but they don't look as nice and neither do they sound as good. Depends on what you value/want in a car really. At the end of the day it's your money, spend it on what you like, not what other people tell you they like. 400z looks like it'll be a cool car, even if it's mostly a rehashed 370z. I don't think it looks as nice as the Supra, but that's subjective.

[@subnegro4946]

The reason Toyota did the Yaris and Corolla GR by themselves is simple! They are based on economy cars that exists already therefore making it an easy gamble to make a performance variant. A Supra made by Toyota would have to be based on one their heavy RWD V6/V8 platforms from Lexus. To simply put it would be heavier and without an I6T if they used the Yaris/Corolla method. 4 door vehicles with space outsells 2 door coupes.

[@hellothere4342]

They could make a Supra RZ edition using the M2 CS as a starter base with manual.

[@carboydorifutoparty3976]

Well...there is a RZ model but that's just a trim for the 3.0 model in japan

[@hellothere4342]

@@carboydorifutoparty3976 that's the point. If they made the RZ trim with manual it would be pretty damn close to original Supra.

[@hellothere4342]

@@nessuno5403 for all it worth I'm saving as much as I could for a manual M2 Competition. Maybe I could get lucky and get the CS. I test drove the M2 and it genuinely felt like my old Supra RZ...dumb young me sold it ofcourse.

[@hellothere4342]

@@nessuno5403 I'm aiming for the manual and absolutely no ceramic brakes. I once had an E63 with ceramic brakes and nobody wanted it as a trade in simply because nobody in their right mind wants to replace the rotors once it has worn enough. All it does is squeal when it's cold and empty out your wallet comes time for replacement.

[@MarcoPolo-vb1sw]

Is it more fun than the 86?

[@chasingcars]

Not to me. I love the lightness, the chuckability and the low-speed, low-risk fun an 86 offers. That said, the Supra is an awesome "deep cuts" album for Toyota GR. You need bigger gonads to drive it hard because the limits really are very high!

[@brainsmatterpodcast]

Let’s hope Toyota’s tweaking gives it better reliability than a BMW!

[@chasingcars]

Unlikely to be much different tbh, the differences are in tuning rather than actual componentry

[@djoetma]

@@chasingcars The Z4 is probably the most reliable BMW the German manufacturer has made in years, because Toyota was in charge of quality control. Tuning is different, both in terms of performance (the Carwow drag race showed a noticeable difference) as well as general behavior.

[@intellips]

I saw doco on the making of the Supra. Apparently Toyota returned to BMW with over 100 points of reliability improvements before signing off on this car. Toyota standards are really second to none.

[@brainsmatterpodcast]

@@Tomoyo0827 sister had a 2018 (from new) 1 series, a work colleague had a 2016 3 series and dads friend had a 7 series from about 2013. My dad has a (from new) 2017 Merc, and what’s seemingly clear from those examples and many more I’ve seen (as well as worldwide reliability surveys) with other colleagues and friends is that new German cars don’t hold a candle to the older German cars.

[@brainsmatterpodcast]

@@Tomoyo0827 they’re all fastidious in looking after their cars, but a brand new car that needs to be off the road three months after new delivery is NOT a good thing, and in comparison to their Japanese car experiences, it’s woeful.

[@DEATHSTARER]

Another great review.I just wonder if the Supra had the (ironically) BMW badge instead of the Toyota badge if the cost of owning one would be higher. Also,a great point you make regarding warranty as you get the 5 year warranty instead of the 3 years that BMW offers,even though the Supra is mostly a BMW.

[@chasingcars]

Definitely a benefit.

[@paulsimpson8990]

Maintenance cost might even be lower for the Bmw version as bmws use condition based servicing. Oil changes are 2 years or 30000km or adjusted to suit your driving.

[@paulsimpson8990]

@@nessuno5403 except my 14 year old e90 is just fine. Porsche is the same. Issue is with the dealers needing servicing income.

[@hadez438]

People still be doing the AUTO BAD GERMAN BAD shit in 2021. Sad.

[@jeremyhill3837]

For me, these look fantastic, a real head turner on the road. The fact you get that style with the proven BMW mechanical and ergonomic interior make it a winner. Main flaw in it that I see is pricing. It’s just too close to the M2C and would make choosing between those two quite a challenge in my book. The new 86 or an MX5 and keeping $50k would probably be my hypothetical approach 😃

[@DM-zk5wu]

Drove a supra GTS yesterday for the first time. Loved it. Such a shame it’s a 2 seater and they couldn’t of made a minimalist rear seat for 1 adult to slide in or 2 kids. Loved the handling and looks great.

[@NANGSGARAGE]

400 Z with the 6 speed manual 👍

[@chasingcars]

Can't wait to drive it!

[@Mexxx65]

Nissan/Renault/Dodgy gearboxes..no thanks!!

[@borla4491]

The new Z is actually a hype.....for nothing

[@PinoyZo1]

Harmon Kardon & JBL is basically the same. Owned by same just named changed lol

[@chasingcars]

No, it’s not just a name change. The equipment and the acoustic tuning that goes into it is entirely different. Hence why the sound quality is markedly different as well… bit like saying because Bentley are owned by Volkswagen a Bentayga must drive like a Golf

[@zepu2165]

im pretty sure that if toyota put a good v6 in it all themselves the cost of the car would of been insane unless they put the camry interior in the supra.

[@zepu2165]

its not a bad thing at all that bmw made the supra… its a great car to someone that grew up (setting aside the car names) around the mk4 supra it doesnt really look too far off from it… if you dont believe me watch TJ Hunts comparison video on the 2 carss

[@nathanpowell7790]

Haters will be haters. I bloody love it.

[@nathanpowell7790]

@@nessuno5403 I’m actually buying a Supra. It’s a bloody great car.

[@LexyISF]

@@nathanpowell7790 so many haters! It’s hilarious! Just look at any Supra post and you’ll find flops everywhere! 😂🤣😂

[@LexyISF]

@@nessuno5403 that’s a Subaru you spud! 😂🤣😂

[@LexyISF]

@@nessuno5403 it’s a Subaru you spud! 😂🤣😂

[@LexyISF]

@@nathanpowell7790 man this spud really hates the Supra! 😂🤣😂

[@paulsimpson8990]

Remember too that the b58 and zf combination are used in mainstream versions…..would be great to see a supra based on an ‘m’ spec.

[@chasingcars]

Good point. There were rumours of a version based on the S58 but that hasn’t come to pass

[@zaamuro8408]

This or the M2 Tom?

[@chasingcars]

330i Touring…. Okay, okay, M2 Comp manual

[@zaamuro8408]

@@chasingcars Wouldn't it be nice if there was a M340i touring?

[@rossbrumby1957]

A90 - is this a tribute to the Austin A90?

[@fatdoi003]

a Japanese car uses left hand turn signal isn't a Japanese car

[@JimboJones99]

Mmmm .. Cake Batter 🍰

[@mtozzy11]

First review of the supra I have watched. Heard about the car a few ago while it was being developed but paid no attention to it. Not a fan of Toyota. The warranty is funny and a blessing, I'm just not sure I'd like to have the same mechanic how works on diesel land cruisers working on a rebadged BMW

[@gtegarage2546]

I say this, as someone who recently had to send my A90 to the local Toyota dealer, because of a bugged infotainment. In terms of the correct tooling, it's sparse, so they'd have to wait for other dealers to send parts and tools over (kinda understandable, because of how rare an infotainment issue is, but anyways) But the main issue is knowledge to fix the issue. The problem straight up spiralled out of control, to a point where they considered replacing the whole thing. And in the end, it only needed a reflash and that's it. The interior looked like a crime scene for a sec (sad). But at least they found the issue, and were kind enough to cover it under warranty. And general maintenance is a-ok to be honest.

[@topher.m]

Did Tom just say shit and crap? Bravo!

[@jasonlewis2990]

Ive been watching vids of the new Z, that thing is incredible. Supra not even on the same page as it

[@chasingcars]

Nobody's done a critical review of the Z yet, so let's not count our chickens. Hopefully it's good.

[@yuhboyify]

Lol. Bit of a stretch, I think. I'm excited for the new Z, but the chassis is pretty well unchanged from the 370z, which in turn is not much different from the OG 2003 350z. To say the "Supra not even on the same page" is uninformed and laughable, really.

[@jasonlewis2990]

@@yuhboyify you can laugh, even if it drives like a pig i'd still buy it. The look of it is A1++. In another league to how the supra looks and that's enough for me

[@yuhboyify]

@@jasonlewis2990 you believing the car "looks better" does not justify the statement that the supra is "not even on the same page". The inference of this statement goes well beyond your subjective sense of superior design prowess of the Nissan over the supra and overwhelmingly suggests the package of the supra moving towards the sentiment of it being a dud, which it is not.

[@jasonlewis2990]

@@yuhboyify why so serious

[@Luceq]

What a shame, your TOYOTA is actually a BMW! - Said no one ever.

[@thtupid]

Apart from a lot of toyota fans like myself. I would personally get the GR Yaris over the supra.

[@Nickoboss29]

@@thtupid seriously?

[@thtupid]

@@Nickoboss29 Yep! I'm by no means saying the Supra is a bad car. But if you head over to some of the more Toyota centric channels you will see a lot of them would share the same opinion as me. Not everyone shares the opinion that BMW is better than Toyota. Just saying.

[@thtupid]

@@Tomoyo0827 Like I said, I'm not slagging the car. I just dont agree with the soul and identity of the car! To me, this is just a well built BMW with a toyota badge on it. That's it. Like I said, i would rather the GR Yaris because at least I know that has been built by Toyota from the ground up. Plus the GR Yaris is a fantastic little car with a manual!

[@peacelove8395]

@@Tomoyo0827 I've seen you comment this twice. It doesn't just "drive like a BMW". it IS a BMW. I'm not sure what you don't understand about this. The interior uses the BMW I-Drive system as well as the same panel parts and layout and digital display found in other BMW's. The Engine is BMW and the platform/Chassis is based off of the BMW Z4. This is more than "driving like a BMW". It practically uses every major component as well as design language from the Bavarian based giants. All Toyota did was put salad dressing on an a meal prepared by someone else.

[@philipsparrow7377]

It's not "shit"..... it's just wrong!

[@abcdLeeXY]

Would anyone buy a Hermès bag for $20k that's made in America? Still the same great bag but loses a whole lot of heritage and sentimental value.

[@darrenprior6339]

It should have been called the Toyota Outsource, not Supra.

[@rodkaimo3016]

Haha. It has a RB plate

[@chasingcars]

Good pickup haha

[@supplementking7777]

I'm heavily considering buying one and I couldn't give a fuck that its a bmw (people need to get over that shit).

[@JasonISF]

No thanks, I'll stick to my 6-spd MANUAL 2014 BRZ with coilovers :)

[@limewhite71]

No flaming needed. Don't like it, don't buy it, however, we are all better off it exists.

[@scottchin3582]

The biggest problem is not the power of the engine but the reliability of the BMW's engines!

[@djoetma]

Apparently Toyota did the quality control. There's a pretty elaborate video to be found here on KZbin where it's explained what part Toyota was responsible for and what part BMW.

[@TheHayabusa09]

Save 50K and get the Subaru BRZ for better all round driving...

[@djoetma]

Or the Goyota GT'86 which is the same car and in most area's easier available.

[@philipc239]

GR Yaris

[@JasonISF]

Yes the new one with the 2.4l motor will be a riot.

[@nhg167]

With a quarter mile time of 2 - 4 days?

[@wd8085]

that one is crap because the steering wheel is on the wrong side.

[@R34GTRR35]

No manual …..firk

[@mar4oz]

Is it just me or does it look a lot like around a 2005 Mazda RX-7!!!

[@Skirk84]

The roof needs about 2 inches of bog to fill in that horrible gap in the middle

[@lbarbato6425]

A BMW with a Toyota badge is acceptable but a Toyota with a BMW badge will just not work lol. BMW Corolla lol, won’t make it drive any better but give BMW a bad name.

[@djoetma]

How much nonsense can one put in a single sentence. 1) The Corolla is a great car. The latest gen get's positive reviews all round in part because of it's dynamic driving 2) the tech is BMW, so it would be a Toyota Z4 in your simplistic words 3) They worked together on this. The basis was BMW tech,. Toyota quality control and some wishes Toyota had for this car like the 50-50 balance, meaning the Z4's wheelbase is different from what BMW intended for it. 4) They don't drive the same, the tuning was different. Toyota took the tech in a pretty early stage to their own development and they made a car out of it after their own insights and so did BMW. There are many reviews to be found where the Supra and Z4 are being compared. For your simple mind, you'd want to start with the Carwow dragrace. 5) The Z4 has a BMW badge and BMW tech, and it's probably a way more reliable car than BMW's in principle are today since Toyota's quality norms have no equal, so it's actually positive for BMW's name.

[@lbarbato6425]

@@djoetma lol, your in la la land my friend.

[@carboydorifutoparty3976]

@@lbarbato6425 not sure what you mean. Really,toyo teaming up with bmw is quiet literally tossing more attention toward the 40i(B58 powered)bmw's,especially in the aftermarket scene. And even then there's been many ive seen throwing comparisons to how its able to stay with the M2C dispute the mk5 not having manuel or some that may have swapped from a M2C. Sure the Z4 isnt getting anywhere near the attention that the mk5 does but it's strongly showing that bmw has a pretty capable i6 and trans combination that its becoming well more noticeable than it ever was since the mk5 came out. Escpecially with them popping up with B58 mk5s popping up all to commonly in the drag/track more and the few of B58 mk5s rolling around in FD(especially fredric aasbos mk5 that literally wins podiums) practcally show that the mk5 all around is a pretty capable/usable chassis in nearly whatever field u throw it in.

[@electrikoptik]

Looking back at the FT-1 concept and what we eventually got is a crime. Toyota really dropped the ball on this one.

[@billybirdy9507]

It’s missing some mojo…..

[@1981anestis]

Put a picture of a fashion model on your girlfriend face... pretend your dating a fashion model! Feel better? Hahahahahaha.

[@CaptainMir]

Its a good car 🚗🤠 only with your dad's 💰

[@fk8002]

In another episode of believe it or not nissan 240Z uses mahindra truck engine to build his new 240 Z simply cause Nissan engineers cant be f..ed building an engine they rather play banzuke game .

[@Kruse1]

Just needs a facelift because the front looks shit.

[@kondafitness6600]

Driving the car like a granny mate, step on it!

[@fale892]

Well its not a Toyota Supra thats for sure.

[@thtupid]

I have no doubt that, as a sports car, the Supra is fantastic. But, for me (and a lot of other Toyota fans), it is still a BMW despite the Toyota upgrades. I would personally get a slower and more inferior RC350 than the supra simply because of its identity. Again, that's just me.

[@CathodeRayNipplez]

0:39 Pause and just stare at that rear 1/4 angle. The longer you stare the more that's wrong with it. It looks like it's been rear ended, like a stubbed out cigarette butt. The roof v window line is just plain awkward n goofy. Filler flap is a complete afterthought. Cup holder location is downright retarded. I wanted to like this car dammit.

[@peterbishop8584]

Unfortunately, the Supra has not achieved the remarkable resale value of a proper Toyota. Should not be a surprise as it is not a Toyota, it has the resale of a BMW, not good.

[@oliox8685]

Dude you are talking about resale 30 years after end of production...let's talk in 2055...

[@peterbishop8584]

Yes you may know all about new cars (driveability etc) however I speak from experience as I have spent just over 40 years working in the wholesale side of the industry,and for the last 10 years I have been the valuer/wholesale manager at a major metropolitan Toyota dealership, from day one they were extremely difficult to sell and had to be discounted heavily (most become old stock) this has a very big bearing on resale.I cannot think of another model in the Toyota range that has this problem.

[@philseung8]

Design reminiscent of cicada. so ugly

[@ahh1180]

It is a good sports car but that classic boring BMW dash

[@chasingcars]

Yeah, could have and should have done more inside

[@wiliss3670]

Looks a lot like an RX8

[@brentboost2879]

No, it isnt. It's a BMW Z4.

[@chasingcars]

Odd that it doesn't feel anything like a Z4 to drive. It feels like… a hardcore sub-M4 4 Series with good steering?

[@shutang6840]

this bmw z4 really looks like a Toyota

[@bigchief2331]

disgusting price for a little impractical car

[@solid7468]

This is no Toyota.

[@solid7468]

The Transmission will blow up after the warranty is over just like most BMWs.

[@chasingcars]

Good thing the warranty is longer than BMW's own warranty then

[@solid7468]

@@chasingcars There are two reoccurring problems in your reviews in my opinion: 1. The fact you always review top-spec models despite most buyers purchasing mid-range models. 2. You don't discuss reliability even if some cars you are reviewing have past/ongoing recalls or numerous reports of mechanical failures.

[@chasingcars]

Well, I have a problem with your comment - at least a third of our reviews are not top specification, but keep in mind manufacturers don’t always add every specification to their fleets, plus we like to show available features rather than imagine them. But again, we clearly do not “always” review top spec. Secondly, we don’t conduct reliability surveys. You can easily find that information at JD Power, et al. We provide comprehensive road tests, at no charge, which I reckon is pretty good

[@chasingcars]

I might also tack on that I’ve never (ever) seen a Supra GT on the road. Only ever the GTS, so this is probably more relevant for actual buyers.

[@rishigannamani7340]

But the thing is if Toyota made it themselves it would be like 150k or more

[@rishigannamani7340]

@@nessuno5403 true true, your right I think there marketing department got it wrong

[@bryanloki6560]

I'm so tied of the people who keep saying Toyota Could have done it themselves. I mean what Toyota inline 6 motor is relevant sports car motor is even there? Oh they have money they can build a motor... Like the LFA Motor or 2JZ-GTE Motor? lets be real here. Both of those motors ended up with Toyota Losing Money. In fact Toyota has lost money on every sports car since the MKIV so for them to do it now with the current econmy shows what? Electric? That they want to be like Nissan have a CEO from South America come run company to the ground? BMW interior parts are still better then Toyota Interior Parts this isn't a Lexus... And again the car is made in Austria, so you want parts to be made in japane then shipped to Austria any real consideration isn't being logical to the current econmies of the world...

[@bryanloki6560]

@@nessuno5403 that motor is not an inline six motor…..

[@bryanloki6560]

@@nessuno5403 And you are flat out wrong about the brz nothing about that car is in house or with Lexus. That car is subraru what are you talking about and what are you saying m?

[@bryanloki6560]

@@nessuno5403 They are not making a new Supra Right now, you are too much into these rumors. I mean let's be real here.... The future is still gas motors? Not Electric of Hybrid? The next Supra is still way too early they aren't designing a new Supra right now the current supra is what 2 years old at most? It took them what 25 years to re-release? I'm not BSing around I own both Supra MKV and MKIV, you can click my name and view my small channel I own both Supras and I know more about these cars then the average KZbin User.

[@bryanloki6560]

@@nessuno5403 Cars do not take 25 years to release or make. They are not working with Mazda on the second Supra... What cars do you own? I just picked up a R-34 as well to go with the collection. The MKV is a fine Daily-Driver. And you didn't answer the question the next supra is going to be All Gas? Hybrid? Or Electric?

[@LexyISF]

@@bryanloki6560 he’s a massive hater bro, and no Toyota is not doing another Supra. The next Lexus IS models will use the Mazda 6. Not sure where that hater gets his facts from 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@tonys8243]

Just buy a BMW ....

[@chasingcars]

Maybe if BMW copies Toyota's homework on Supra's steering

[@christybambi]

Yeh it does matter that the toyota supra is pretty much a bmw. Don't build a car with no luv or care, because only morons will buy it.

[@gordonclark7632]

IMO it is ugly. $100k for a Toyota? You may as well buy the real thing and get the BMW.

[@chasingcars]

This is more BMW than BMW, though, I reckon.

[@nhg167]

What a z4? Its ugly

[@shanewilliams8768]

Absolutely matters. I can't wait for these turds to disappear and hopefully Toyota will make their own next round and actually end the supra legacy on a high note, and not this b.s.

[@oliox8685]

Yawn...even the MK5 2.0 smokes the stock MK4 turbo.

[@pip333333]

Put simply: "I hate the look of the thing!" Not pretty, Toyota!! Who agrees with this statement?